As you must have been hearing that IE8 has been released. It is true that Microsoft has released the thing and the reason why I am posting this now after it was released since 5th of March is because some people seem to be having problems if they request for their Windows update.

IT is said that you will be directed to an error page, and this is really making most people angry or scared.


SOLUTION: To update your Windows, you have to click the "Emulate IE7 windows and restart all your IE. After restarting your browser, then click Windows Update.

It is still a Temporary solution pending the time it will be resolved by Microsoft.

NOTE: IE8 was secretly released for developers to do their jobs. It is still having some problems but not serious once.

To Download: [/b]http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=1A2E3DDD-B38B-439D-BBA7-F179A5D3ECAF&displaylang=en

[b]NOTE: [/b]This link is for XP SP2 users., for other users, scroll down to see links for other OS

[b]Feel free to post questions

question: why in heck would anyone want to use IE8 when firefox still owns the world? IE7 is slower than a drunk crippled turtle, why should IE8 be any better?

Neoteny:

question: why in heck would anyone want to use IE8 when firefox still owns the world? IE7 is slower than a drunk crippled turtle, why should IE8 be any better?

Thank you oooo Chairman!who the Bleep still in dis day and age uses IE,beta still point his/her browser to microsoft to dwnload the piece of shit.wake up ppl

Sounds tedious, but nazzyon could not get his facts right, IE8 was released on 6th of march and is still in beta form hence the nigling issues

Neoteny:

question: why in heck would anyone want to use IE8 when firefox still owns the world? IE7 is slower than a drunk crippled turtle, why should IE8 be any better?

pein:

Thank you oooo Chairman!who the Bleep still in this day and age uses IE,beta still point his/her browser to microsoft to dwnload the piece of shit.wake up people

Question:
Why the heck would anyone force his choice down everyone else's throat?
You like firefox, good for you. IE serves me pretty well most times. Safari's a pretty nice alternative too.
PS: I dunno what you mean about firefox 'owning the world'.

neither do i

firefox owns the world.if u want to be kept under microsoft's shackles,fine your problem.firefox is open source and users define how its shaped and when issues arise users help solve them(unlike IE)hence the possibilities are endless.besides firefox is officially a faster browser than IE and EVERYONE is switching and if u are not then ur still living in the dark

pein:

firefox owns the world.if u want to be kept under microsoft's shackles,fine your problem.firefox is open source and users define how its shaped and when issues arise users help solve them(unlike IE)hence the possibilities are endless.besides firefox is officially a faster browser than IE and EVERYONE is switching and if u are not then your still living in the dark

Last i heard IE was a free download. I can live with mild annoyances, and i find that i prefer more pleasing aesthetics to the oft-claimed faster speed of Firefox. I deal with black and white: Your internet connection either is fast, or it's treacle slow. As such i almost always seek out fast internet connection where the claimed speed gains of Firefox do not really stand out in real-world situation.

It's always amusing when open source proponents carp on and on about being free from Microsoft's 'shackles'. I dunno about you, but i'm far too busy being productive to feel that i'm actually being shackled by my web browser

When issues arise with IE, solutions can often be found on public forums. You can be open without 'open source', man!

@tezzazzpete

all that 'tezazz' sun must be giving you brain fever. nowhere in my post did i 'force my choice down' anyone's throat, all i did was pose a question why anyone would want to use IE when firefox by general consensus is a much better and flexible browser. it may not be fast by your standard (i don't find safari faster than opera, whatever jobs says), but its less crash prone, has tons of plugins WHICH MOSTLY ARE USEFUL and it gives me the satisfaction of saying UP YOURS M$. you like IE, fine, go get it and put it where the sun don't shine. me, i like FF and a casual scouring of the net will turn tons of like-minded folks.

you like aesthetics better than performance? sounds like the kinda dude who'd buy a car just for the gleaming carbon fiber facade and darn the engine.

anyone who uses IE6 will tell you they don't like not having tabs, they hate lack of download resume, and no worthwhile plugins besides toolbars. anyone who uses IE7 will tell you how slow and fickle it is even though it now has tabs (finally). that makes firefox IN MY OPINION (and most of the world  ) a better browser.


and experince tells me that whenever you go to any public forum looking for answers to Micro$ofts sloppiness, you end up with a crescendo of condemnation and indignation, not solution. solutions are found for OPEN SOURCE stuff. with microsoft you are left with the dreaded Knowledge Base (remember stuff like kb365582 via "updates".



so don't say im forcing my choice down anyones throat. simply say you like IE better than FF and thats that.

no offense.

semper fi.

Neoteny:

@tezzazzpete

all that 'tezazz' sun must be giving you brain fever. nowhere in my post did i 'force my choice down' anyone's throat, all i did was pose a question why anyone would want to use IE when firefox by general consensus is a much better and flexible browser. it may not be fast by your standard (i don't find safari faster than opera, whatever jobs says), but its less crash prone, has tons of plugins WHICH MOSTLY ARE USEFUL and it gives me the satisfaction of saying UP YOURS M$. you like IE, fine, go get it and put it where the sun don't shine. me, i like FF and a casual scouring of the net will turn tons of like-minded folks.

you like aesthetics better than performance? sounds like the kind of dude who'd buy a car just for the gleaming carbon fiber facade and darn the engine.

anyone who uses IE6 will tell you they don't like not having tabs, they hate lack of download resume, and no worthwhile plugins besides toolbars. anyone who uses IE7 will tell you how slow and fickle it is even though it now has tabs (finally). that makes firefox IN MY OPINION (and most of the world  ) a better browser.


and experince tells me that whenever you go to any public forum looking for answers to Micro$ofts sloppiness, you end up with a crescendo of condemnation and indignation, not solution. solutions are found for OPEN SOURCE stuff. with microsoft you are left with the dreaded Knowledge Base (remember stuff like kb365582 via "updates".



so don't say im forcing my choice down anyones throat. simply say you like IE better than FF and thats that.

no offense.

semper fi.

that sum it up really,

subscribing to thread. . .

_{let the war begin. . .TP vs neo will be much more fun!}

You don't have to argue on this issue.

It is a matter of choice.

Better way is for you guys to discuss on the ups and downs of each browser.

I personally do use a lot of browsers, though I have my reason for doing so.

Lets note that internet speed also determines the effectiveness of your browser sometimes. Even if you are using Opera Desktop Browser on an Internet speed of 100Mbps, you will notice how bad it works. Compared with using The World 2.1 or Flock on a Faster Internet speed.

In terms of security you cannot compare Firefox on a WiFi connection to Safari on a LAN connection. Why because WiFi is much more open to attacks than LAN.

Do you believe that a person using Firefox to view a pornographic site is more susceptible to attacks than a person using Internet explorer to visit e.g Premier League site.

What, where and how are part of determinants of how good a Browser.

Okay, if you are complaining about IE, what do you guys have to say about Opera Mini, Safari, Netscape and other existing browsers.

NOTE: Every user connected to FTP are susceptible to attacks. Crackers are now using this to get to every computer user even Mac, and Linux. Please take care.

for me opera mini is nigh useless, i never browse on mobiles (wots the point when my lappy is never far away?)


opera on pc loads faster than most browsers and u can increase its http server connections within the browser without editing the registry ala IE.

netscape NAVIGATOR evolved into firefox. so its best to use the younger sibling.

safari is overrated.

for me opera is it all the way. i even carry it in my flash so if i'm at any cyber cafe - i can install it.

unlike expolrer and fire fox, you can resume dowloads(unless from crapidshare) after a crash, or a random shutdown)

Errwhere i go, all i see is browser wars. . .

texazzpete:

You can be open without 'open source', man!

That's the best thing i've heard in recent time. . .

Neoteny:

question: why in heck would anyone want to use IE8 when firefox still owns the world? IE7 is slower than a drunk crippled turtle, why should IE8 be any better?

uh oh. . . owning the world? please check ur facts. IE7 slower than a wateva? You can bet over 70% of computer users never noticed. . Now dont go b!tching about IE7 coming preinstalled on the system. If it was perpetually slow. . . damn, err1 would've installed Firefox

Lastly, speed depends on wateva you're referring to. Firefox being faster than IE is a silly myth. And as texazz pointed, you could consider upgrading ur connection instead of b!tching.

You want figures, check this link http://www.ghacks.net/2008/03/12/speed-test-firefox-3-vs-ie-8-vs-opera-95/

Too lazy to click? Read this snippet. . .

The most astonishing values are two page loading times of Firefox 3. It tool 13.17 seconds to load Digg while Opera needed 5.59 seconds and Internet Explorer 8 only 5.28 seconds. The second huge difference was encountered on Facebook where Opera 9.5 was the fastest browser with a loading time of 1.95 seconds.

Internet Explorer 8 followed with 2.83 seconds and Firefox 3 needed 22.60 seconds to load the page. Firefox on the other hand was the fastest browser when loading my site with 1.9 seconds followed by Opera with 2.38 and Internet Explorer with 4.83 seconds.

Yes. . . speed is bleeping relative.

Talk about extensions, yea right. If you want them, go get them. FF Extensions, IE Addons. By the way, some FF-extensions simply replicate features built into IE. e.g. Smooth scrolling (http://smoothwheel.mozdev.org/index.html) e.t.c.

P.S. I'll be rendering pages on a plain IE7 faster than your FF2 riddled with unused extensions. (fact)

Note. I'm not arguing in favor of a browser in particular. I just hate b!tches. The thread was supposed to give out the link to download IE8 beta 1. For developers only. The line of conversation should be about the new features added, and flaws with the current beta. Yea, constructive comparisons to competing products arent bad as well.

@naijafan

your post sounds like bitching to me, and anyone who can read can detect the IE fanboyism in your post: not a bad thing, except your line that " I'm not arguing in favor of a browser in particular" is a plain out lie given your rants and quoted scripture about the joys of IE.

yes, speed is relative but all browsers have a certain connection that they make to html and image servers respectively which are preset by default. in IE its 4 and 2, in opera its 8 and 20. this connections are independent of network link speed, and the fewer the connections, the slower your pages load. in IE you need to navigate to hkey>currentuser>software>microsoft>windows>current version>internet settings> and create 2 DWORD entries MaxConnectionsPers1_0Server and MaxConnectionsPerServer and give them decimal values higher than the defaul. this no doubt is a fiddly business typical of MS; they make us dig into the sinsitive registry just to enhance our experiences. but in opera you just go to tools>preferences>advanced>network and then increase your desired connection values. of course the advantage is noticeable only in servers that allow such connection upgrades (whic is most of them).

now if browser A makes more connections than browser B, obviously browser A will load pages faster even with  *slightly* lower link speeds. in IE the default sorts of cripples it and that is why opera loads pages faster than IE. downloading is a different ball game because the connections are to an ftp server which depends on bandwidth unlike normal page loads. no matter how fast a browser is in loading pages, its usually not so adept in downloading over slow networks, so let us separate the two.

most users navigate webpages, and a slightly lower demographic download stuff. browsers don't do much for downloads, which is why we have download accelerators separate from browsers.

when using IE ive had to use web accelerators to match up opera's speed, and in my experince FF loads slower than opera but faster than IE. i mostly visit the same pages over and over and i always dump my cache so no cookie influences my observation.

you can be open without open source? whatever the heck does that mean? if it were clear enough i could respond to it.

extensions, addons, whatever you call them. open source programs better integrate addons/extensions than closed source. but extensions /addons/widgets are really for those who chose to use them, not really an integral core of browsing. me, i like extensions.

as for the benchmark scores you use, please i refer you to WWDC 2007 where steve jobs ran a benchmark when introducing leopard during the keynote. clearly safari beat IE and Firefox by a wide margin. however in real world terms i find safari slower than opera, faster than firefox and IE. if you can't get the podcast kindly request me to upload it for you in crapidshare.

i don't rely on benchmarks; i rely on my own personal experience which is sometimes unique to an individual. the conditions in which the tests are conducted may not be the same or even similar to mine.

so if opera is faster than FF, why do i prefer the fox? because opera is unstable as hell, it crashes often and really has issues with windows data Execution Prevention. and when it crashes, it takes my downloads down with it.

and if you are rally talking about mozilla emulating MS by way of addons, you might get us started on all the countless times MS plagiarized, plain plagiarized, the works of others. there's no pirate greater than bill gatez.

and lest i forget, the singular purpose of a forum is to bitch!   

semper fi.

LOL 

Now that wasnt b!tching

IE fanboyism?! I made my previous post with FF3beta3. Composing this one on FF3beta4. 

you can be open without open source? whatever the heck does that mean? if it were clear enough i could respond to it.

as long as you provide a comprehensive set of APIs to talk to the underlying codebase, that's open enough. in that case, the open source advantage is others being able to tweak your codebase for you. . . like the case of Flock tweaking FF's code to improve stability in their own version.

and if you are rally talking about mozilla emulating MS by way of addons, you might get us started on all the countless times MS plagiarized, plain plagiarized, the works of others. there's no pirate greater than bill gatez.

i'm sorry but i never said that. I was referring to the extension developers (3rd party). . . not mozilla itself . OK? If you (neoteny) develop an extension to make FF render pages like IE7, is that plagiarism? Abeg o. . .

and lest i forget, the singular purpose of a forum is to bitch!

ok then. . . but i'm alergic to it

how can i open two different yahoo id on explorer 8 at the same time. I can do that on 7 but explorer 8 seems difficult as it keeps opening the same id leaving me to sign out before opening another id