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Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by merengue: 11:58pm On Apr 24, 2013
sleekdot:

Patrick Herman would most likely go to Dortmund to join Reus there.

I dont think Bayern would sign any of those 2 right now

Lewandoski has a huge chance of moving to Bayern I would say like 70% chance of him signing with Bayern

They have absolutely no need for him, they already have the two Marios and Pep is not a big fan of big, classic number 9 strikers. However, if he must leave, BVB should get a similar type of player like Dzeko or get one of the Marios. Unfortunately, Juventus have gotten Llorente. I think Munich would rather go for a player like Iker Munian (A.Bilbao)
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by Suprises: 12:00am On Apr 25, 2013
sleekdot:

Patrick Herman would most likely go to Dortmund to join Reus there. Bittencourt and Leitner are also promising

I think they might get Ginter and Ginzeck too

I dont think Bayern would sign any of those 2 right now

Lewandoski has a huge chance of moving to Bayern I would say like 70% chance of him signing with Bayern
Lewadowski has already said he wants to leave germany for england,his interest has neva bin to play for bayern.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by Nobody: 12:03am On Apr 25, 2013
Suprises: Lewadowski has already said he wants to leave germany for england,his interest has neva bin to play for bayern.

He should go to Aston Villa. They need a good striker.

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Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 12:03am On Apr 25, 2013
merengue:

The blame for Barca's failure should be put on Sandro Rosell and no one else for the following reasons:

1. Pep knew that some players had lost their edge and wanted to get rid of them, Rosell refused. Players like Alves, Villa, Pique.
2. The signings of Cesc, Song and Sanchez were luxuries they did not need. All three have added nothing to the team since they joined.
3. Illness or not, Tito is not as good as Pep, they needed someone who could tweak the system like Laudrup or Bielsa, not a continuation of the same system which the whole world has been studying over the last few years.
4. The arrogant belief that every product of La Maisa will be as good as the previous ones.

The truth is that success in football is never consistent. It takes planning and patience. Except for Man Utd in the EPL. After the success of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi, the Barca board should have actually put faith in the La Masia youngsters. I can understand buying Fabregas but Sanchez (who actually is a superstar), Villa and Song, I totally feel was wrong.

Bojan should have been left to develop. Youngsters like Thiago Alcantara, Rafinha Alcantara, Jonathan Dos Santos, Muniesa, Montoya should have been brought in to develop. The success won't come immediately but with time they will dominate. That is what Barca did before and the Germans are doing it now.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 12:04am On Apr 25, 2013
fredoooooo:

i know the game of football is unpredictable but theres a big difference between this set of ac milan players and dortmund do .
AC milan played the game as an underdog , while the dortmund guys believe they have the quality to do it , and they go for it .

AC Milan's mistake was dropping Muntari for Ambrosini. That gave Barca an extra man on the pitch.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by Nobody: 12:05am On Apr 25, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:

AC Milan's mistake was dropping Muntari for Ambrosini. That gave Barca an extra man on the pitch.
LMAO! Ambrosini was a passenger cheesy

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Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by Suprises: 12:07am On Apr 25, 2013
CFCfan:

He should go to Aston Villa. They need a good striker.
hahahaha....dats funny.United is his likely destination so dat he cn come and patner wit kagawa
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 12:08am On Apr 25, 2013
sleekdot:

Nuri Sahin did well in Liverpool Are you serious?

Below is Sahins quote after leaving Liverpool



What you play in youth tournament doesnt count

Mikel was Attacking midfielder in youth tournament and you know what the drill is now

Nuri Sahin did well but he didn't like the role. Mikel was pushed forward at the nation's cup, and he was clearly the best player of that tournament. It is in youth tourneys you can really see the real talents of players.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 12:10am On Apr 25, 2013
donem:
If Gundogan is definately your man of the match, how about the 4 goals hero Lewandowski?

He harvested the crops after the farmers (Gotze, Gundogan and Bender) did the work. Lewandowski was the man of the match, mine was Gundogan. He was amazing.

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Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by ddippset(m): 12:14am On Apr 25, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:

AC Milan's mistake was dropping Muntari for Ambrosini. That gave Barca an extra man on the pitch.
10 muntaries could never have stopped that messi's first goal in 5 mins. he hit it in a split second and the come back started. he had about 5 milan players around him. what those 5 failed to do muntari could never have done. praise barca for the come back and stop giving excuses for milan.

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Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by merengue: 12:14am On Apr 25, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:

The truth is that success in football is never consistent. It takes planning and patience. Except for Man Utd in the EPL. After the success of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi, the Barca board should have actually put fate int the La Masia youngsters. I can understand buying Fabregas but Sanchez (who actually is a superstar), Villa and Song, I totally feel was wrong.

Bojan should have been left to develop. Youngsters like Thiago Alcantara, Rafinha Alcantara, Jonathan Dos Santos, Muniesa, Montoya should have been brought in to develop. The success won't come immediately but with time they will dominate. That is what Barca did before and the Germans are doing it now.

I disagree on that point. Look at the ones they have sold (Bojan, Jeffren, Dos Santos) what have they done in those clubs they have been to? They are simply not good enough. The buying of Cesc was purely based on Catalan emotional sentiments; Xavi wasn't ready to leave and there is no way you can bench Iniesta so what need was he brought to fulfill? The Song one is the most idiotic; you already had Busquets (because of whom they sold Yaya) & Mascherano so what is Song doing in that team? Villa was needed because they needed to lift the scoring burden off Messi's shoulders. Sanchez was supposed to offer something different; speed and directness. Now they are talking about Neymar. Barca needs a good goalie, two good centrebacks and a new striker.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by sleekdot(m): 12:16am On Apr 25, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:

Nuri Sahin did well but he didn't like the role. Mikel was pushed forward at the nation's cup, and he was clearly the best player of that tournament. It is in youth tourneys you can really see the real talents of players.

So are you suggesting Bvb force Sahin back to a role he stated clearly he doesnt like?

How did Sahin do well in Liverpool? He did well that he was shipped out in 6 months

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Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by ddippset(m): 12:16am On Apr 25, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:

The truth is that success in football is never consistent. It takes planning and patience. Except for Man Utd in the EPL. After the success of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi, the Barca board should have actually put fate int the La Masia youngsters. I can understand buying Fabregas but Sanchez (who actually is a superstar), Villa and Song, I totally feel was wrong.

Bojan should have been left to develop. Youngsters like Thiago Alcantara, Rafinha Alcantara, Jonathan Dos Santos, Muniesa, Montoya should have been brought in to develop. The success won't come immediately but with time they will dominate. That is what Barca did before and the Germans are doing it now.
cut the long story short. barca needs at least 5 big players in the first eleven. if not get anyone you want, they will continue been bullied and if the ref doesnt protect them, teams will keep thrashing. simple.

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Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by Suprises: 12:19am On Apr 25, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:

He harvested the crops after the farmers (Gotze, Gundogan and Bender) did the work. Lewandowski was the man of the match, mine was Gundogan. He was amazing.
But seriously u cnt over look d excellent display of lewandowski dis night.dortmund has always missed him wen he is nt on d pitch,his accuracy on goal is 86% dats why dortmund decided to sell barrios to gv him room to shine and since then his performance has bin glittering
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by ddippset(m): 12:20am On Apr 25, 2013
ironically barca and madrid have been badly hit by bad refereeing decisions and then some 1diots, big big 1diots would still come out and talk about conspiracy for an el classico final. where are they now? mute as usual.

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Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by Suprises: 12:24am On Apr 25, 2013
ddippset: ironically barca and madrid have been badly hit by bad refereeing decisions and then some 1diots, big big 1diots would still come out and talk about conspiracy for an el classico final. where are they now? mute as usual.
Pls young man wat do u mean by bad officiating?
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 12:27am On Apr 25, 2013
merengue:

I disagree on that point. Look at the ones they have sold (Bojan, Jeffren, Dos Santos) what have they done in those clubs they have been to? They are simply not good enough. The buying of Cesc was purely based on Catalan emotional sentiments; Xavi wasn't ready to leave and there is no way you can bench Iniesta so what need was he brought to fulfill? The Song one is the most idiotic; you already had Busquets (because of whom they sold Yaya) & Mascherano so what is Song doing in that team? Villa was needed because they needed to lift the scoring burden off Messi's shoulders. Sanchez was supposed to offer something different; speed and directness. Now they are talking about Neymar. Barca needs a good goalie, two good centrebacks and a new striker.

Talents grow, when they are given playing time on the pitch. Bojan, Giovanni Dos Santos, Gai Assulin, Iago Falque, were all very talented. If they are not given playing time, they will flop. Dos Santos scored a hat trick in his last game for Barca. Going to Tottenham and Juande Ramos getting sacked caused him to be dropped on the bench.

Yet Dos Santos was the MVP at one of the Gold Cups and was a top performer for Mexico at the World Cup. Dos Santos has started Performing at Mallorca. If Mallorca escapes relegation, he will come back to the scene.

Thiago said Rafinha (his younger brother) is the footballing talent of his family. Yet no way to play them. Looking at Dortmund today and Bayern with Muller, Alaba, Kroos and Gustavo. These guys were not superstars but given playing time to nurture their talents.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 12:31am On Apr 25, 2013
sleekdot:

So are you suggesting Bvb force Sahin back to a role he stated clearly he doesnt like?

How did Sahin do well in Liverpool? He did well that he was shipped out in 6 months

Sahin left Liverpool because he wanted to play as a deep lying playmaker like Pirlo and Xavi. Brendan Rodgers doesn't like that play and wanted an attacking midfielder. Nuri Sahin was on loan, so Liverpool let him go. Not that he wasn't doing well.

By the way, did you notice Klopp send Gundogan forward and brought in another deep midfielder. He could also play Gundogan in a more advance role. As for the defensive midfield role. I think Sven Bender has come of age and should be left there.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 12:38am On Apr 25, 2013
ddippset: cut the long story short. barca needs at least 5 big players in the first eleven. if not get anyone you want, they will continue been bullied and if the ref doesnt protect them, teams will keep thrashing. simple.


Or they take their time and nurture the team into another great dominant team. Barca shouldn't go for a quick fix. They have a lot of young talents and they shouldn't be wasted. Even the Argentine wonderkid Araujo.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by sleekdot(m): 12:43am On Apr 25, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:

Sahin left Liverpool because he wanted to play as a deep lying playmaker like Pirlo and Xavi. Brendan Rodgers doesn't like that play and wanted an attacking midfielder. Nuri Sahin was on loan, so Liverpool let him go. Not that he wasn't doing well.

By the way, did you notice Klopp send Gundogan forward and brought in another deep midfielder. He could also play Gundogan in a more advance role. As for the defensive midfield role. I think Sven Bender has come of age and should be left there.

Sahin left Liverpool to play deep lying midfielder and he is now sitting on the Dortmund bench comfortably Does that make sense?

Klopp moved Gundogan up in a tactical switch they needed to defend, they were up 4 -1

He switched from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3,

He brought in Kehl and played Kehl-Bender with Gundogan forward

That is a defensive set up

Gundogan cant play at Attacking midfield
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 12:46am On Apr 25, 2013
Suprises: But seriously u cnt over look d excellent display of lewandowski dis night.dortmund has always missed him wen he is nt on d pitch,his accuracy on goal is 86% dats why dortmund decided to sell barrios to gv him room to shine and since then his performance has bin glittering

Lewandowski was super today but I am a strong believer that football is won in the midfield. Just liek the match yesterday. Muller was amazing but my man of the match was Javi Martinez, followed by Schweinsteiger
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 12:49am On Apr 25, 2013
sleekdot:

Sahin left Liverpool to play deep lying midfielder and he is now sitting on the Dortmund bench comfortably Does that make sense?

Klopp moved Gundogan up in a tactical switch they needed to defend, they were up 4 -1

He switched from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3,

He brought in Kehl and played Kehl-Bender with Gundogan forward

That is a defensive set up

Gundogan cant play at Attacking midfield

How can you say that Gundogan can't play as an attacking midfielder. Playing as an attacking midfielder doesn't mean you must play as an attacker. Look at Arteta at Arsenal. He has played both deep lying and forward attacking midfielder.

By the way Nuri Sahin has played 12 games since returning in January. Is that warming bench. Please Nuri Sahin is very important to Dortmund.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by sleekdot(m): 1:18am On Apr 25, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:

How can you say that Gundogan can't play as an attacking midfielder. Playing as an attacking midfielder doesn't mean you must play as an attacker. Look at Arteta at Arsenal. He has played both deep lying and forward attacking midfielder.

By the way Nuri Sahin has played 12 games since returning in January. Is that warming bench. Please Nuri Sahin is very important to Dortmund.

Of those 12 games he started on the bench in 6 of them and he has only played 627 minutes since he joined

That my guy is benchwarming

If he plays then it takes a huge part out of his game and cant function effectively.

Its like saying Cazorla plays as a winger sure he can but would he be effective is the main question
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 1:21am On Apr 25, 2013
sleekdot:

Of those 12 games he started on the bench in 6 of them and he has only played 627 minutes since he joined

That my guy is benchwarming

If he plays then it takes a huge part out of his game and cant function effectively.

Its like saying Cazorla plays as a winger sure he can but would he be effective is the main question

Sahin is just returning. The team has been on for Two seasons without him. He is coming in and with the departure of Gotze, he will get more games. So what is the problem? Do you think Klopp went for Sahin, if he didn't need him?
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 1:23am On Apr 25, 2013
sleekdot:

Of those 12 games he started on the bench in 6 of them and he has only played 627 minutes since he joined

That my guy is benchwarming

If he plays then it takes a huge part out of his game and cant function effectively.

Its like saying Cazorla plays as a winger sure he can but would he be effective is the main question

Please Carzola functions better on the wings than in the midfield.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by sleekdot(m): 1:24am On Apr 25, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:

Sahin is just returning. The team has been on for Two seasons without him. He is coming in and with the departure of Gotze, he will get more games. So what is the problem. Do you think Klopp went for Sahin, if he didn't need him.

Klopp went for Sahin for depth purposes which Dortmund is lacking.

Ever since Sahin left Dortmund has been better and his replacement Gundogan is way better than him. Sahin cant replace Gotze. Neither can Gundogan. The pace required for Dortmund quick transition neither Sahin nor Ilkay has it and thats what they require from their front 3-4. Transition from midfield to attack at break neck pace
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by sleekdot(m): 1:24am On Apr 25, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:

Please Carzola functions better on the wings than in the midfield.

Not sure if you are joking or serious
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by FelixL(m): 1:28am On Apr 25, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:


The question is, will Dortmund still be able to Keep Jurgen Klopp. He has been monumental in the building of this team and getting them motivated. If Klopp stays, then there is no fear, what he did with Sahin, Kagawa, Gotze and Lewandowski, will repeat again.

That's how it is. Kloppo is an extraordinary talented coach as motivator and as a tactician as well. He is very good in explaining what he wants. Once he did the moderator for Worldchampionship on tv - just great.

Jupp Heinckes also is an extremly good cast for the job in Munic. As big and rich that club is as important feel its bosses. So there is someone needed with authority and reputation, someone even Hoeness and Company have respect for. He will be a big loss for Bayern.

Kowtow for your comments btw. And no, Klopp will stay in Dortmund. The only better club is the FCB and there he would not fit in. Too young, not the needed heavy-weight like Heinckes. Even Rehagel did not stand the job there and got out with blue eye (meant literal!).

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Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 1:30am On Apr 25, 2013
sleekdot:

Not sure if you are joking or serious

Santiago "Santi" Cazorla González (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈsanti kaˈθorla ɣonˈθaleθ]; born 13 December 1984) is a Spanish footballer who plays for Arsenal in the Premier League. A versatile winger he can play on either flank as a result of being ambidextrous, and also as an attacking midfielder

This is from his Wiki page. It was Arsene Wenger that actually converted him.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by thegoodjoehunt(m): 1:34am On Apr 25, 2013
sleekdot:

Klopp went for Sahin for depth purposes which Dortmund is lacking.

Ever since Sahin left Dortmund has been better and his replacement Gundogan is way better than him. Sahin cant replace Gotze. Neither can Gundogan. The pace required for Dortmund quick transition neither Sahin nor Ilkay has it and thats what they require from their front 3-4. Transition from midfield to attack at break neck pace

No I don't agree with you when you say that Sahin can't replace Gundogan or Gotze. Remember Sahin spent almost a year injured and Liverpool was more of a recovery place for him. His return has been applauded by Dortmund fans. When he is fully fit and sharp, he will light up Dortmund again.

I see Klopp pairing Gundogan and Nuri Sahin in the midfield with Bender, to make a kind of Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets combination.
Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by Iaz93: 2:02am On Apr 25, 2013
Adolf Hitler would be smiling now!

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Re: UCL: Dortmund Vs Real Madrid (4 - 1) On 24th April, 2013 by iykak47: 2:12am On Apr 25, 2013
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