In recent times, there have been intense debates on the subject of tithe. The debate has been based entirely on the bible as it applies to the New Testament church today, with some folks vehemently against it and others for it. Sometimes, it’s difficult to draw straight and clear lines especially when the bases of the discus (bible) is same , but different conclusions are made. This is an attempt to take a succinct look at the bible, backed up by the Holy Spirit (not just an academic study of the bible). May the light of God shine upon our paths, Amen.
Malachi 3:10, the popular tithe verse begins with “Bring ye all the tithes into the store house. Bring ye all the tithes. The oxford dictionary of current English defines tithes as one tenth of what people produced or earned in a year. This agrees to Genesis 28:22 (the tenth); in essence, tithes is not just 10% of crop produced as ‘anti-tithe’ folks vehemently affirm.
Taking a broader look at the phrase, “…….all the tithes…” It is obvious that there are many types of tithes. The scribes and Pharisees gave tithes of mints, anise and cumin. matt23:23. Abraham gave tithes of all.gen14:32. God is not just interested in a tenth of money, but of all. The command is to “….bring ye all…” Any Christian group that places undue emphasis in a tenth of their members’ salaries, without talking about reconciling first with God is acting unscripturally. For a new testament Christian, what does all mean? In luke21:1-4, we see the widow’s offering; Jesus Christ said “she offered more because she cast in all the living that she had”. It follows to say, someone who would freely cast in all would not have issues with a tenth. God sees our hearts and knows how well we love him, not just trying to meet up some strict code of conduct. Ability to give up all your living to God is a genuine mark that you are a true disciple luke14:26. The main part of this is to give our life totally to Jesus and be born again. If you truly do this, you don’t keep a part; your finance, career, marriage, ambition e.t.c are all a vehicle to show God’s glory and not for any other thing.mark8:35-37. This is not a popular gospel because it doesn’t soot the flesh. New testament Christians who gave all include Paul
(phil3:7,, the early believers (act2:45. 4:34), Barnabas (acts4:36,37). If you are born again and have really given all, should giving 10% of your earning be a big deal?

The next question the ‘anti -tithe’ folks come up with is ‘why can’t I give my tithes to the orphanage or needy brethren. Well, the bible gives a precept. Mal3:10 “bring ye all the tithes into the store house, that there may be meat in mine house. “the store house” and “mine house” could mean the same thing. 1Chro26:20. In simple English, the store house is a place where treasures are kept. More importantly, the purpose of “bringing in all tithes into the store house (or God’s house) is that “there may be meat”. People who oppose tithing say that preachers of tithing do so because they must make gain, or it is the easiest way for a ‘church business’ to grow. NOT SO. Rather its for provision of meats. Meat as used in the bible represents food; John the Baptist meat was locust and wild honey.matt3:4. Meat could be interchanged with bread, water, wine, milk.Ish55:1. Bread (meat or food ) spiritually speaking represents the word of God. Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word. Matt4:4. Jesus, ]the Word[/b in person is also called the bread of life.John6:48. Peter puts it as “the sincere milk of the word” 1pt2:2. Paul says “I have fed you with milk and not meat.1cor3:2 (showing that both are food to be fed the church). It has been establish that [b]meat is not just physical things but the word of God. So then, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.rom10:17. The purpose of receiving tithes is so that the word would not be lacking in God’s house. Obviously, the orphanages and charity organisations are not receive your tithes if “that there may be meat (God’s word) in my house” is correct because they don’t provide you with meat.
How is the tithes used to give meat in God’s house. Let look at the bible. For the new testament Christian, God’s house is not specifically a building, but a gathering, fellowship or company of Christians, this is a dwelling place for God. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Matt18:20. Also note that God lives within the Christian. The word of God (meat) is required to cleanse the sinner John15:3, to perfect the saints, for ministry and to edify the body of Christ (church) Eph4:12. That’s why God gave gifts so that the word can be used in various capacity to achieve those purposes Eph4:11,12.In the church just after Pentecost, ‘those that gladly received the word were baptized”. Baptism is an act of perfecting the saints (making them more like Jesus) as put in Eph4:12. The act of water baptism needs resources, people have to “tithe” their time, skill and money where necessary for it to be successful. Other activities like organizing crusades, printing gospel literature e.t.c all fulfill the purpose of the word (meat), and they require saved people to give their resource for the work. Also note that the tithe is used to care for the ministers who serve on full time. Pastors, evangelist e.t.c who minister in spiritual things (the word) should reap in carnal things (food, clothing, shelter e,t,c) 1cor9:11. Also, the ‘meat’ in God’s house should be used for ministry. Meeting needs, especially as it progresses the cause of the word. The pressing physical needs of the members are met with tithes and offerings Act2:45 (as every man had need). Other work of the ministry could include building schools, hospitals, orphanages e.t.c. All for the word of God to reach the lost. Missionaries who came to Africa gave all tithes of their time, energy, talent, skill and money to build schools and hospitals, just so that the preaching of the word can be enhanced. This was not for pride or selfish reasons.

check out
www.tithing101.com
for an adequate response to your thread

Furthermore, your tithes should be given to God ordained ministers whom God has been using to give you ]meat.[/b Anti-tithes folks say ‘you are enriching your pastor by tithing while you get poorer’ this is totally absurd. Looking at the New Testament church, tithes and offering were dropped at the [b]apostle’s feet Act4:37. Apostle Paul personally took the offering to the brethren at JerusalemRomans15:26-27. Except your pastor is not worth calling one, your tithes should go to the church God has been using to give you meat. What your pastor does specifically with it shouldn’t bother you, once meat (sound doctrine and teaching of the word) is being fed. This doesn’t give license to ministers to act without discretion or to live ostentatiously, because they would give account to God.
It is important to note that we are to give our all to God first before giving our gifts, (time.talent money). God is more interested in you than your gift Matt5:23,24. So, the emphasis should not be on giving 10% of our earnings, but in giving our life to Jesus.
In conclusion, God doesn’t beg for our tithe, rather, it should be an expression of love and gratitude. People pay taxes of up to 30% of their income to the government, but to give just 10% to God becomes a problem. You love ceaser more than God, and you call yourself a Christian, shame! Abraham gave tithes of all to Melchizedek Gen14:20. Note that Melchizedek, an earthly person (like your pastor) represented Jesus Christ Heb7:21,22. Jacob vowed his tithe and God prospered him Gen28:20-22. In the new testament, people gave more than their tithes; they gave their all (act2,4). The members of the early church who decided to hold back a part in deceit ( ananais and sapphira) got instant judgment Acts5:2-10.
To those ministers whose every Sunday massage is about tithes and giving, STOP IT, because that not the message of the Gospel. Even though the early church laid their offerings at the ‘apostles feet’ the apostles didn’t live large because of the avalanche of cash. In Act3, Peter and John, two major apostle told the lame man at the beautiful gate seeking alms “silver and gold have I none” this show that the apostles didn’t pest on the church’s offering. It requires a dual responsibility of faithfulness from both the leaders (apostles, pastors etc) and the laity (members).
For those who say that tithing for the New Testament church is not biblical, you have enough reasons to think otherwise. IF YE KNOW THESE THINGS, HAPPY (BLESSED) ARE YE IF YE DO THEM JH13:17.

Consider

1. NT giving says we should give not out of compulsion: 10% of an income sounds like compulsory.

2. All the example on tithing you just stated are OT, is there a NT verse that commands tithing exclusively for Christians.

3. As important as tithe is to today's church, Paul wrote more than three pastoral epistles and Jesus sent seven letters to Churches BUT both of them, 'forgot' to mention the tithe. Was it a slip of mind or a coincidence?

4. In all mention of tithe in the OT and NT, the commodity to be tithed were agric products, how and when did it transform to monthly salaries?

5. If an atheist were to give his life to Christ on NL, how would you explain to him that his salvation is not complete until he tithes first.

6. Lastly, for now, consider Colosians 2:16: judge no one on Sabbath, holy days, meat, drink - all OT ordinances, that must include tithe circumcision, etc.

7. Tithing is of the law, man, and it is bondage at best and a fraud at worst.

Consider

1. NT giving says we should give not out of compulsion: 10% of an income sounds like compulsory.

Really? just like God telling Abraham to take Isaac to a place He(God) would show him and sacrifice him(isaac) sounds like 'compulsion'. When God commands some thing, you have the option of saying NO (like pharoah) or YES (like abraham). so what the compulsion in it?

2. All the example on tithing you just stated are OT, is there a NT verse that commands tithing exclusively for Christians.

Well, if you thought you had an escape by being in the new testament, sorry, 100% not just 10 is required from the heart.its stricter, grace makes it simpler.

3. As important as tithe is to today's church, Paul wrote more than three pastoral epistles and Jesus sent seven letters to Churches BUT both of them, 'forgot' to mention the tithe. Was it a slip of mind or a coincidence?

emphasis is the issue and i put that into perspective.

4. In all mention of tithe in the OT and NT, the commodity to be tithed were agric products, how and when did it transform to monthly salaries?

well, check the dictionary for the meaning of tithe and see how it relates to crops

5. If an atheist were to give his life to Christ on NL, how would you explain to him that his salvation is not complete until he tithes first.

priority is the issue here again, salvation doesn't and never depends on tithes (works)but on the simplicity of faith

6. Lastly, for now, consider Colosians 2:16: judge no one on Sabbath, holy days, meat, drink - all OT ordinances, that must include tithe circumcision, etc.

well, i wasn't judging any one so don't feel guity, its an exposition to truth and you shouldnt get emotional

7. Tithing is of the law, man, and it is bondage at best and a fraud at worst.

Fruad? looks like you are the one judging now. in simple terms a new testament christian should seek to do more than tithes (some thing far more than). The only words we could use to relate such is "tithes and offering". thanks

DrummaBoy: check out
www.tithing101.com
for an adequate response to your thread

keep on deceiving and being deceived.

@Rhymeyjohn: God bless you jare for this master piece..wish all our anti-tithers brothers could realize that this is an eternal principle.

Rhymeyjohn: Furthermore, your tithes should be given to God ordained ministers whom God has been using to give you ]meat.[/b Anti-tithes folks say ‘you are enriching your pastor by tithing while you get poorer’ this is totally absurd. Looking at the New Testament church, tithes and offering were dropped at the [b]apostle’s feet Act4:37. Apostle Paul personally took the offering to the brethren at JerusalemRomans15:26-27. Except your pastor is not worth calling one, your tithes should go to the church God has been using to give you meat. What your pastor does specifically with it shouldn’t bother you, once meat (sound doctrine and teaching of the word) is being fed. This doesn’t give license to ministers to act without discretion or to live ostentatiously, because they would give account to God.
It is important to note that we are to give our all to God first before giving our gifts, (time.talent money). God is more interested in you than your gift Matt5:23,24. So, the emphasis should not be on giving 10% of our earnings, but in giving our life to Jesus.
In conclusion, God doesn’t beg for our tithe, rather, it should be an expression of love and gratitude. People pay taxes of up to 30% of their income to the government, but to give just 10% to God becomes a problem. You love ceaser more than God, and you call yourself a Christian, shame! Abraham gave tithes of all to Melchizedek Gen14:20. Note that Melchizedek, an earthly person (like your pastor) represented Jesus Christ Heb7:21,22. Jacob vowed his tithe and God prospered him Gen28:20-22. In the new testament, people gave more than their tithes; they gave their all (act2,4). The members of the early church who decided to hold back a part in deceit ( ananais and sapphira) got instant judgment Acts5:2-10.
To those ministers whose every Sunday massage is about tithes and giving, STOP IT, because that not the message of the Gospel. Even though the early church laid their offerings at the ‘apostles feet’ the apostles didn’t live large because of the avalanche of cash. In Act3, Peter and John, two major apostle told the lame man at the beautiful gate seeking alms “silver and gold have I none” this show that the apostles didn’t pest on the church’s offering. It requires a dual responsibility of faithfulness from both the leaders (apostles, pastors etc) and the laity (members).
For those who say that tithing for the New Testament church is not biblical, you have enough reasons to think otherwise. IF YE KNOW THESE THINGS, HAPPY (BLESSED) ARE YE IF YE DO THEM JH13:17.

RHEMA!!

[quote author=Rhymeyjohn] This is an attempt to take a succinct look at the bible, backed up by the Holy Spirit (not just an academic study of the bible). May the light of God shine upon our paths, Amen.

Do not use the name of GOD in vain, when you say Holy Spirit , make sure that you are 100% without doubt that this teaching is from GOD, otherwise you may be found out to be a Liar.

Malachi 3:10, the popular tithe verse begins with “Bring ye all the tithes into the store house. Bring ye all the tithes. The oxford dictionary of current English defines tithes as one tenth of what people produced or earned in a year. This agrees to Genesis 28:22 (the tenth); in essence, tithes is not just 10% of crop produced as ‘anti-tithe’ folks vehemently affirm.

From the verse you quoted above, we can derive the following :

- The Tithe was agricultural produce and not money , therefore it had no correlation with earnings.
- The storehouse was the temple which no longer exists, since all believers ( not a few ) make up the temple of GOD.
- Genesis 28:22 cannot be used to support the tithe because it was a vow made by Jacob to God on certain conditions to be fulfilled, there is no confirmation that this tithe was paid afterward.
- The Bible defines what a tithe is, not the dictionary.

Taking a broader look at the phrase, “…….all the tithes…” It is obvious that there are many types of tithes. The scribes and Pharisees gave tithes of mints, anise and cumin. matt23:23. Abraham gave tithes of all.gen14:32.

There are different types of tithes and none of them involved Money as the final product or objective.

God is not just interested in a tenth of money, but of all. The command is to “….bring ye all …” Any Christian group that places undue emphasis in a tenth of their members’ salaries, without talking about reconciling first with God is acting unscripturally.

Chaos is what the above is :

1. God never told the believers to bring their all in the old testament , he specified the exact percentage with the reasons behind this demand, which were primarily for the welfare of the levites, widows , orphans, poor and foreigner , not for the building and maintenance of luxurious buildings.

2. God asked for crops and animals not salaries.

For a new testament Christian, what does all mean? In luke21:1-4, we see the widow’s offering; Jesus Christ said “she offered more because she cast in all the living that she had”.

1. Though she cast in all she had , it does not say she had no food stuffs to live on or relatives to live off , besides the tithe was used to cater for such people.

2. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for devouring widows houses in the name of religion and taking their meager belongings , despite their impoverished state.

"Yet they shamelessly cheat widows out of their property and then pretend to be pious by making long prayers in public. Because of this, they will be more severely punished." - Mark 12:40

It follows to say, someone who would freely cast in all would not have issues with a tenth.

This twisted blackmail does not work anymore and is a veiled deceptive and manipulative threat to ensure that the poor empty their pockets into the coffers of thieves and robbers.

God sees our hearts and knows how well we love him, not just trying to meet up some strict code of conduct. Ability to give up all your living to God is a genuine mark that you are a true disciple luke14:26. The main part of this is to give our life totally to Jesus and be born again. If you truly do this, you don’t keep a part; your finance, career, marriage, ambition e.t.c are all a vehicle to show God’s glory and not for any other thing.mark8:35-37. This is not a popular gospel because it doesn’t soot the flesh. New testament Christians who gave all include Paul
(phil3:7,, the early believers (act2:45. 4:34), Barnabas (acts4:36,37). If you are born again and have really given all, should giving 10% of your earning be a big deal?

You are not rightly dividing the word of GOD. GOD does not coerce anyone into giving more than they can afford, we are gently told to give as we can and in measure of our ability , as we are led.

"Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." - 2 Corinthians 9:7

" For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man has, and not according to that he has not." - 2 Corinthians 8:12

Rhymeyjohn: The next question the ‘anti -tithe’ folks come up with is ‘why can’t I give my tithes to the orphanage or needy brethren. Well, the bible gives a precept. Mal3:10 “bring ye all the tithes into the store house, that there may be meat in mine house. “the store house” and “mine house” could mean the same thing. 1Chro26:20. In simple English, the store house is a place where treasures are kept. More importantly, the purpose of “bringing in all tithes into the store house (or God’s house) is that “there may be meat”.

Hogwash for the following reasons :

1. The storehouse was the physical temple of Solomon which no longer exists.
2. This meat was not money but agricultural products.

The purpose of these tithes was not for GOD to eat with his angels , for he is not a mortal like we are .

Out of his loving heart, Almighty God wanted to make sure that the levites who had no landed inheritance, the widows, orphans and poor were well catered for.

The bible does not support the ill-conceived notion that the tithes were to be sold and the proceeded used for the building of more temples , or enabling the levites to live more luxuriously.

People who oppose tithing say that preachers of tithing do so because they must make gain, or it is the easiest way for a ‘church business’ to grow. NOT SO.

Very much SO and in 90% of all cases.

Rather its for provision of meats.

Meats for who ?

In which case, how come 85% of Christians who dutifully and religiously pay their tithes still live in abject poverty , while the pastors become chubbier in stature, wear more expensive attires and jet around the globe using private aircraft ?

The purpose of receiving tithes is so that the word would not be lacking in God’s house. Obviously, the orphanages and charity organisations are not receive your tithes if “that there may be meat (God’s word) in my house” is correct because they don’t provide you with meat.

Lol , what an utterly concocted and twisted fable this is, who do you think we are , mumus SMH

@frosbel
nice one..how this issue of tithe irk me, i can't even type about it.

Ehhm Bros RhymingJohn,

All the whole things you wrote here lack substance and are completely skewed and would easily deceive those who do no have a good back ground in the the bible (those who open bible only on Sundays when their pastors are teaching).

This is all i have to say for now.

One thing to remember is that God never asked the people in the old testament to pay money as tithe. There was money as means of exchange then. Does that mean He did not know what He was doing or suddenly there is a new revelation from the "holy spirit" to these modern day pastors that God needs the money now?

Please look into the OT very well and understand what God was actually teaching his people, in order to understand why He asked them to tithe. Then you will have a better understanding of what tithing is all about.

I do not know why i am still commenting in topics like these. I just remembered i told myself i will not have any more thing to say about tithing topics on NL.

We've had people come to NL asking if they could tithe lottery money; we've had armed robbers and kidnappers tithe stolen money; many yrs ago Oyakhilome refused to return cash stolen from a top hotel in Lagos but given to his church as tithe and offering. These stories lend a hand to the fact that there something skewed about tithing.

Now if grace giving is what is practised today we will not have those people above giving at all. So what is grace giving?

Grace giving is free will offering. It is giving as a result of what God has given us. In the OT we have a glimpse into grace giving. Moses ask the people to give towards the building of the ark. The people took out of the bounty they had gotten off the Egyptians and gave so much that they had to be restrained from giving more. In Numbers some men went to war and returned successful. After giving as God instructed (and this was not tithe), they still gave more for God sparing their lives.

TBC.

Rhymeyjohn: ...... Mal3:10 “bring ye all the tithes into the store house, that there may be meat in mine house. ........ Meat as used in the bible represents food; John the Baptist meat was locust and wild honey.matt3:4. Meat could be interchanged with bread, water, wine, milk.Ish55:1. Bread (meat or food ) spiritually speaking represents the word of God. Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word. Matt4:4. Jesus, ]the Word[/b in person is also called the bread of life.John6:48. ......... It has been establish that [b]meat is not just physical things but the word of God. So then, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.rom10:17. The purpose of receiving tithes is so that the word would not be lacking in God’s house. Obviously, the orphanages and charity organisations are not receive your tithes if “that there may be meat (God’s word) in my house” is correct because they don’t provide you with meat.
How is the tithes used to give meat in God’s house. Let look at the bible. For the new testament Christian, God’s house is not specifically a building, but a gathering, fellowship or company of Christians, this is a dwelling place for God. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Matt18:20. Also note that God lives within the Christian. The word of God (meat) is required to cleanse the sinner John15:3, ...........

This i would call grand deception. And someone is so "spirit filled" to call this "rhema!"

I am short of words. Sometimes i feel ashamed when i hear some things from my fellow Christians.

Some Christians would stop at nothing (including twisting the word of God, with many biblical references) in order to keep others in bondage for their personal benefit. Meat as used in Malachi is now spiritual (word of God). And then i have to give up money in order to get this "word of God". Simply put, i need to pay to get the word of God?!!!

I am ashamed. I do not serve a God i pay money to hear his word. The God i serve gives me his word and does things for me without me having to pay him money.

DrummaBoy: We've had people come to NL asking if they could tithe lottery money; we've had armed robbers and kidnappers tithe stolen money; many yrs ago Oyakhilome refused to return cash stolen from a top hotel in Lagos but given to his church as tithe and offering. These stories lend a hand to the fact that there something skewed about tithing.

Now if grace giving is what is practised today we will not have those people above giving at all. So what is grace giving?

Grace giving is free will offering. It is giving as a result of what God has given us. In the OT we have a glimpse into grace giving. Moses ask the people to give towards the building of the ark. The people took out of the bounty they had gotten off the Egyptians and gave so much that they had to be restrained from giving more. In Numbers some men went to war and returned successful. After giving as God instructed (and this was not tithe), they still gave more for God sparing their lives.

TBC.

We see grace giving in the NT in the women who supported Jesus ministry (there's no record of Jesus demanding tithe from them); we see it in the first church with people like Barnabas selling a plot of land and giving the apostles; we see it in the lives of the Phillipaians who supported Paul's ministry; etc. In all of these cases, tithes or firsfrutes where never collected.

Grace giving appreciates everything God has done and has giving to the individual. This individual, without coercion, or obligation, decides to give back to God's work.

The beuty of grace giving is that it is only done by people who God has touched by His grace. So you will not find lottery winners, thieves, kidnappers or company robbers giving in this category.

It will also mean less cash around in church bc very few people understand and have tasted of God's grace. It would mean only true MOG will be found in ministry bc there will be little careless cash for anyone to spend. It would reduce church proliferation.

@frosbel nice reply see as u christians dey twist d bible as dey wish for their own gain wow even i who dont read d bible frequently identifies gibberish when i see one.so a poor person cant get d word of god lmao

May we all learn to walk truly in the freedom Christ death,burial & resurrection bought for us.we were redeemed with incorruptible things,let us not bellitle redemption by placing a price tag on God's blessings.they are invaluable.

May God bless us all

In the long run the Church benefits from grace giving. This way:

When Pastors understand grace and preach it, and make people appreciate it, they will eventually get people so en raptured by God's love that they don't just give 10%, they give all they have.

I can say that I would not be surprised if people die and will all they have to the church for gospel propagation. It was grace giving that those who brought the gospel to Africa enjoyed, and not tithe.

When people give bc they have being touched by God's grace, a time will come that true servants of God will announce to the church for people to stop giving: 'we have enough..' they will say.

Tithing may bring quick money but it would be as a result of fear, so they can be blessed and bc men have succeded in binding others.

The tithe issue has been over flogged on NL and many of the Masters are tired of fighting it. But I only call upon them not to give up..., like it did with me, it bearing fruits.

PLS STOP THE TITHE FRAUD!!!

shdemidemi: @frosbel
nice one..how this issue of tithe irk me, i can't even type about it.

Hypocrite, does sin irk you? How concerned are you about the fornication, adultery, immortality and lasciviousness that goes on around you daily? Does it irk you this much or you're already used to it or even a partaker. Does the pervading corruption irk you or are you an active sponsor? Does any of the numerous sins mentioned in the Bible and perpetuated right in front of you, media and live irk you? I am lost as to why an issue on which the scripture is conspicuously silent about its wrong should irk you or any sane believer.

I will shock you with a statement- We are not sinners because we break the Law or commit all these sins you have in your head but we are sinners because we are sons of Adam. Think and think about that statement before replying.

I won't judge anyone for acting immoral and God will not judge a christian based on morals too,but I will encourage them to do away with that sin nature inherited n imputed through Adam by the renewing of their mind through the word of God.

The only guy that irks me is therefore the false prophet not the everyday believer that commits sin. rightly divide the word, you would not only see how Christ has made you his elect,his friend but you would realise how far this tithe ritual is in no way connected to the faith/ Christianity.

The OP makes me feel sick. I almost threw up my breakfast after reading that horse manure. These days anybody can disguise falsehood and pass it off as Rhema.
The large scale manipulation of bible passages for the satisfaction of these charlatans lust is what made me conclude Christianity as practiced today is nothing but a huge fraud.

The evidence is clear; so many churches in Nigeria yet the wickedness of our people continue unabated. Says a lot, doesn't it?

shdemidemi: I will shock you with a statement- We are not sinners because we break the Law or commit all these sins you have in your head but we are sinners because we are sons of Adam. Think and think about that statement before replying.

I won't judge anyone for acting immoral and God will not judge a christian based on morals too,but I will encourage them to do away with that sin nature inherited n imputed through Adam by the renewing of their mind through the word of God.

The only guy that irks me is therefore the false prophet not the everyday believer that commits sin. rightly divide the word, you would not only see how Christ has made you his elect,his friend but you would realise how far this tithe ritual is in no way connected to the faith/ Christianity.

Why can't one see the person who likes his post? Mods una need to upgrade o. I like this post.

[quote author=Image123]
Hypocrite, does sin irk you? How concerned are you about the fornication, adultery, immortality and lasciviousness that goes on around you daily?

When you help remove the wickedness in the church then we can talk about the wickedness outside the church.

Because the physical man made church is wicked, the world does not know and cannot do better.

For starters , when the thieves and robbers stop putting the tithe as a precondition for God's blessing while ignoring the fact that we are blessed because of Jesus, when the thieves and robbers stop committing fornication with politicians and rich business men, when the thieves and robbers stop living lives of self aggrandizement to the detriment of the poor, when the thieves and robbers stop deceiving the sheep with false satanic doctrines such as eternal torment etc, when the thieves and robbers stop sleeping with single and married women in their congregations, when the thieves and robbers stop lording it over the sheep, when the thieves and robbers stop devouring widows houses, when the thieves and robbers stop visiting native doctors and ritualists in India, then and only then , will we allow you a platform to air your views on morality, for now go and sort out your own house first.

Hypocrites !!!

^^^ Well said frosbel!

Me tithing has been an imense blessing i saw it in the bible and am obeying,whatever pastor does with the money i don care,i have given it to God.and it's only God that will judge.what tithing has done for me,my mouth cannot tell.AND PLEASE DONT TRY CONVINCING ME TITHE IS OLD TESTAMENT.

mysticgal: Me tithing has been an imense blessing i saw it in the bible and am obeying,whatever pastor does with the money i don care,i have given it to God.and it's only God that will judge.what tithing has done for me,my mouth cannot tell.AND PLEASE DONT TRY CONVINCING ME TITHE IS OLD TESTAMENT.

If God's blessings are based on the Tithe, we have to wonder why some of the richest people live in non-religous countries and why people like me who have not and will never pay the tithe have gone from promotion to promotion and from blessings to blessings while many who pay tithes are struggling daily. Could it be that there is a flaw in your tithe idol. SMH.

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." - 2 Timothy 4:3

"These people always cause trouble. Their minds are corrupt, and they have turned their backs on the truth. To them, a show of godliness is just a way to become wealthy "- 1 Timothy 6:5

Let me advice you young lady, give out of a free and loving heart to a cause supported by GOD , otherwise your giving will be in vain.

nep2ra: ^^^ Well said frosbel!

Thanks !

It's a mission for me to the very end , and until Jesus comes

frosbel:

Thanks !

It's a mission for me to the very end , and until Jesus comes

You are very much welcome.

mysticgal: Me tithing has been an imense blessing i saw it in the bible and am obeying,whatever pastor does with the money i don care,i have given it to God.and it's only God that will judge.what tithing has done for me,my mouth cannot tell.AND PLEASE DONT TRY CONVINCING ME TITHE IS OLD TESTAMENT.

Precisely how have you been blessed? Would it be right to say if you pay tithes and you sin regularly and blaspheme etc... God would not bless you?

So your blessing (according to you) is to do with righteousness... not necessarily tithe.

I dont believe tithe should be accepteed by churches. It could be an offering where you put in what you like and the church publishes regular, public accounts as to how it is spent.

Why shouldnt pastors and churches be held accountable for their fiscal policy? It is illegal to misspend any given money even non profit based finances.