The many chaos in marriages today can be solved by women.Wives should learn to follow Biblical principles not self principles.I have always believed any woman that knows how to submit to a man and boost his ego will have less problem.
I heard a woman of God years back who told all wives that they should learn to appeal to their husbands as a mini-god instead of challenging their authority. When a daughter of God fulfills all righteousness and the man refuses to change,if he is a believer in Christ,God knows how to break such.
Many Christian wives will always complain about their husbands attitudes. Your complains do not solve anything.Men are not emotional by nature but women are. When you take to nagging and quarrelling with him or depriving him of that thing,a man who loves you may respond back to you less or same with the quarrels.But when you see a man who just keeps quiet and pretend as if you are not there or just walks out of the house you had better be careful.In most cases this is no sign of holiness.
I know this might sound fallacious.While some men can be impossible,women have a lot to do in creating harmony and peace at home. There are many things in marriage that prayers can't solve. I have seen so many wives attending various prayer meetings to bring back peace to their homes,while it worked for some,majority are not seeing result.Why? THEIR IS NO DELIVERANCE OR PRAYERS FOR CHARACTERS. That is something you just have to work upon. Women should use the energy they use in complaining,nagging and fighting to seek for divine wisdom.
Your marriage is not broken by any external force but by internal force-YOU AND YOUR MAN.Any woman that understands her place in the life of a man will have less problem.Many will argue that men are the problems of marriages.While I may not argue with such line of thought,I will like to ask this question which I often ask women in churches or those who come for counselling.CAN ANY WOMAN EVEN ON THIS FORUM TELL ME HOW EVE WAS ABLE TO MAKE ADAM EAT THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT EVEN THOUGH ADAM KNEW IT WAS THE FRUIT?I will love to hear answers please.If you can figure it out,you will know the power you women have to influence your husbands.But,many of you choose to use the power negatively to the detriment of the home.
The truth is many of you don't know how to make your man feel on top of the world.Am not talking about intimacy now.Intimacy is not love.If you think because your man have it with you regularly you had better think twice.I have seen men who are very intimate with their wives and at the same time with many women outside.
You just have to learn to be everything your man wants you to be as long as it does not violate the Word of God.The so-called little things he complains about and you just overlook it,or the attitudes he detest and you keep doing it.
Many women choose to rub shoulders with their men.Men are proud by nature and very egocentric,myself not excluded.Treat them like GENERAL IN THE ARMY.They want to feel and know they are in charge of their homes and not the other way round.That does not make you a slave as I have heard some women complain.
They make mistakes though which is as a result of the way women approach issues with them.Women have intuition and can have better judgement atimes.But when you try to force it on a man,it may not go down lightly.Some may know you are saying the right thing but because of your manner of approach and their own ego,they will still do what they want to do and the whole family will face the consequence.
The best way to tame a man is not by fighting him,reporting him to some or all,making him feel bad or comparing him with other men in order to abuse or challenge him.The best way to do it is to become a virtuous woman and someone who talks softly but persuasively with wisdom.
Men who tend to be promiscuous,though I don't expect such to be in a Christian home but these days we are seeing such even among ministers of the Gospel.While such act is abomination,women will do well to find out what went wrong.It's easy to claim that charm was used on your men but the truth is that in most cases charm is not involved but you are responsible. That is hard one I know.While such men will face their judgement but the pain and sorrows you go through could have been avoided if you played your roles very well.No faithful man suddenly wake up and become promiscuous.It's a process activated by the negative trend at home.
Lastly,CAN ANY WOMAN TELL ME WHY GOD CHOSE TO MAKE EVE FROM THE RIB OF ADAM AND NOT FROM ANY OTHER PART OF THE BODY OR FLESH AND ALSO THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT PART THAT WAS USED BY GOD?

nice one...all taken note of....1st to comment

@ OP,the answer to the question asked at the end is:God made women outta d rib of d man so dat the man will not punch d woman.simply put-if u punch ur ribs,na breakage and possible death be that! hope say i get am o.

Very nice episode really interesting

@OP,

It is noble you opened this thread to address the issues we see in marriages today.

However, marriage involves two people and your topic should have been 'men, women and marriage' or something.

Women cannot 'solve' the martial problems, couples do because it takes two to tango. I can see you are coming from the Biblical stand point so it's better you quote what the Bible says about marriage to both parties so the thread would achieve the purpose I assume you want it to achieve else it will turn to another man/woman feminists/non-feminists, Nigerian woman bashing thread.

@Post

Shouldn't you be preaching to the Nigerian males who abandon their wives at the slightest provocation? What about the ones who marry a second, third and fourth wife even though they are not members of the Islamic faith? What of the ones who abandon their wives because the woman keeps giving birth to baby girls? what of the ones who cheat on their wives with reckless abandonment and infect them with HIV/AIDS? What of the ones who allow their mothers come into their matrimonial homes to abuse their wives? You can write an epistle from now till next week. It takes 2 to make a union work. No matter how much advise you give the women, if you fail to tell the men that they too are obligated to love their wives like Christ love the church and no man who loves his wife like Christ loves the church will abandon her for birthing girls or not birthing a son or bring in a second wife, then we will begin to get somewhere.

Those who are clamouring for me to talk on MEN AND MARRIAGE point noted.However am not bashing women rather encouraging them to play their roles well if you read my post well.Beside,you people did not try to answer my questions.Am strictly talking about the Christian home and I assume both couples are born again and fear God.I believe you read the part of the articles that says,"IF A WOMAN FULFILLS ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS AND THE MAN REFUSES TO CHANGE,GOD KNOWS HOW TO BREAK SUCH".As per writing on MEN AND MARRIAGE,I will do that.Let's still deal with this issue.If women can answer my questions their perceptions about marriage will change.

Yes a biblical point of view requires a man to be very much part of his home with exemplary character. It does not start with the woman it starts with the man. Love your wives as Christ loved the church and we all know how much Christ loved the church, he washed feet and died for the church. Now that kind of love inspires total submission from the woman. Which woman does not want to be loved? and which man does not want to be respected. Before you get to the woman start with the head - The man. Am strictly talking about the christian home too.

Loveaflame: Those who are clamouring for me to talk on MEN AND MARRIAGE point noted.However am not bashing women rather encouraging them to play their roles well if you read my post well.Beside,you people did not try to answer my questions.Am strictly talking about the Christian home and I assume both couples are born again and fear God.I believe you read the part of the articles that says,"IF A WOMAN FULFILLS ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS AND THE MAN REFUSES TO CHANGE,GOD KNOWS HOW TO BREAK SUCH".As per writing on MEN AND MARRIAGE,I will do that.Let's still deal with this issue.If women can answer my questions their perceptions about marriage will change.

Nobody said you are bashing women or not. I was only predicting what the thread will degenerate to. As to what is in caps, it's actually the other way round. please note the quoted post below (esp the bolded):

andromida: Yes a biblical point of view requires a man to be very much part of his home with exemplary character. It does not start with the woman it starts with the man. Love your wives as Christ loved the church and we all know how much Christ loved the church, he washed feet and died for the church. Now that kind of love inspires total submission from the woman. Which woman does not want to be loved? and which man does not want to be respected. Before you get to the woman start with the head - The man. Am strictly talking about the christian home too.

What questions do you want us to answer?

My beloved people in Christ.Starting with the man is not the issue here.Whether I start from the man or woman does not matter.What matters is to learn and grow and make changes or adjustment.Women indirectly rule the world.Whatever a man is doing their is always a woman at the back of his mind.As per the questions,do well to read my post carefully.The questions are there.

Loveaflame: My beloved people in Christ.Starting with the man is not the issue here.Whether I start from the man or woman does not matter.What matters is to learn and grow and make changes or adjustment.Women indirectly rule the world.Whatever a man is doing their is always a woman at the back of his mind.As per the questions,do well to read my post carefully.The questions are there.

Imagine talking salvation without starting with Jesus. Are men no longer the head of their own homes?

@Buka,can the head stand without the neck?Who ruined the first marriage?The woman or the man?Let's face reality here.Women are pillars of the home.They are the doors into the home.Just like Eve opened the door for satan to come in,many women are opening their doors for him to come into their homes.You have not answered my questions yet,HOW WAS EVE ABLE TO PERSUADE ADAM TO EAT THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT?WHY DID GOD FORM EVE FROM THE RIB OF ADAM AND WHAT IS THE SPIRITUAL SIGNIFICANCE?Until you answer my questions,no amount of trying to shift the blame on men will be welcome by me.If wives can decode the answers to those questions they can bring harmony and peace into their homes.This does not mean men are faultless.

Jesus Christ, OP's post was so hard for me to read....wow

I no wan comment put for that post abeg.

Loveaflame: @Buka,can the head stand without the neck?Who ruined the first marriage?The woman or the man?Let's face reality here.Women are pillars of the home.They are the doors into the home.Just like Eve opened the door for satan to come in,many women are opening their doors for him to come into their homes.You have not answered my questions yet,HOW WAS EVE ABLE TO PERSUADE ADAM TO EAT THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT?WHY DID GOD FORM EVE FROM THE RIB OF ADAM AND WHAT IS THE SPIRITUAL SIGNIFICANCE?Until you answer my questions,no amount of trying to shift the blame on men will be welcome by me.If wives can decode the answers to those questions they can bring harmony and peace into their homes.This does not mean men are faultless.

Adam actually ruined the first marriage. He refused to take responsibility for their actions. God asked him why have you done this perhaps if he had said forgive us,we didn't know better,help us things might be different but instead he blamed God he said "the woman you gave me" as if he should be absolved of all responsibilities and that's what you are doing now playing the blame game. And who should do more. That game is anytime anywhere a losers game.

Adam was clever the responsibility was between God and the woman but God as always saw through the blame.

Believe me you've raised good points and women world over get it.

But the man is still the head of his home and at the end leaders are always accountable. Husband and wife should obey God. Husband loves wife and wife submits afterall the love and submit part are both commandments from God. So let both parties obey God.Simples

We Nigerians just like being defensive. The poster has raised valid points for women to learn from. I do not agree that women should be blamed for marital failures, no it takes two and both have equal responsibilities to share in a marriage. But we can see here that the wife also has a role to play. I do not believe in treating your husband as a demi-god because it kills the fun in marriage, however to answer the poster's question, I do not think Eve made Adam eat the fruit by nagging and cursing and forcing him. She must have done it lovingly sef, and that is the point the poster is trying to make. Women should know their husbands and how best to interact with their husbands. Men hate nagging, if you want your husband to do something, you typically wont get it by nagging him to death. There are other ways than nagging that will produce results if only some women will learn.

Marriage is not always about men vs women, both men and women should constantly seek ways to help them understand their spouses better so that there is more peace and love in the home. The poster has just given a few point for women to note. No need to bash the poster.

andromida: He refused to take responsibility for their actions.

I agree with this assertion but there is an underlying premise.... tha the male is head

if the consequences of male leadership in the family stem from the man, how do you seek congruence with a policy that says men and women are equal

I believe women can use thier innate 'influencing' skills to get a man to do what he wants and not let it slide over into manipulating or worse nagging


In my opinion, the man initiates the family engine while the woman keeps the engine running and primed
However the responsibility still lies at his feet

Good post

Nashville: We Nigerians just like being defensive. The poster has raised valid points for women to learn from. I do not agree that women should be blamed for marital failures, no it takes two and both have equal responsibilities to share in a marriage. But we can see here that the wife also has a role to play. I do not believe in treating your husband as a demi-god because it kills the fun in marriage, however to answer the poster's question, I do not think Eve made Adam eat the fruit by nagging and cursing and forcing him. She must have done it lovingly sef, and that is the point the poster is trying to make. Women should know their husbands and how best to interact with their husbands. Men hate nagging, if you want your husband to do something, you typically wont get it by nagging him to death. There are other ways than nagging that will produce results if only some women will learn.

Marriage is not always about men vs women, both men and women should constantly seek ways to help them understand their spouses better so that there is more peace and love in the home. The poster has just given a few point for women to note. No need to bash the poster.

biolabee:

I agree with this assertion but there is an underlying premise.... tha the male is head

if the consequences of male leadership in the family stem from the man, how do you seek congruence with a policy that says men and women are equal

Men and women are equal but have different roles to play. A woman cannot produce sperm and a man cannot get pregnant. The roles are complimentary. The commandment to love and submit is because God gets us more than we can even begin to think. It is easy for a woman to submit to a man that loves her because she knows he has her best interest at heart. Impossible for a woman to submit to a man she does not trust because she knows she is not safe anything can happen.

Nashville: We Nigerians just like being defensive. The poster has raised valid points for women to learn from. I do not agree that women should be blamed for marital failures, no it takes two and both have equal responsibilities to share in a marriage. But we can see here that the wife also has a role to play. I do not believe in treating your husband as a demi-god because it kills the fun in marriage, however to answer the poster's question, I do not think Eve made Adam eat the fruit by nagging and cursing and forcing him. She must have done it lovingly sef, and that is the point the poster is trying to make. Women should know their husbands and how best to interact with their husbands. Men hate nagging, if you want your husband to do something, you typically wont get it by nagging him to death. There are other ways than nagging that will produce results if only some women will learn.

Marriage is not always about men vs women, both men and women should constantly seek ways to help them understand their spouses better so that there is more peace and love in the home. The poster has just given a few point for women to note. No need to bash the poster.

No defense here. The author summed it up saying for christian homes and the roles are clear. Husband love your wife and wife submit. To change it to wife love your husband so that he can be good is to change the commandment nobody is disputing the fact that women have influential skills and should make good use of it to enjoy a blissful home and keep man happy. The point is when you make it a biblical point of view the roles are too clear.It is not the woman's job to love the man into being good to her its the mans duty to love the wife irrespective of whatever is going on just as Christ loves us irrespective of our sins tough eh? but that should be the christian mans' exemplary character to the world. Christian Men cannot dodge this.

Marriage is never men vs women but the author did sound like 80% of the job is for the woman. To correct erroneous impression of young christian men is the reason why we have to highlight the duty of of the christian husband to the christian wife as well. We are all helping each other to remember our sacred duties in marriage.

andromida:

Men and women are equal but have different roles to play. A woman cannot produce sperm and a man cannot get pregnant. The roles are complimentary. The commandment to love and submit is because God gets us more than we can even begin to think. It is easy for a woman to submit to a man that loves her because she knows he has her best interest at heart. Impossible for a woman to submit to a man she does not trust because she knows she is not safe anything can happen.

God bless you andromida!

Most times, I say that any man that has problem with his wife submitting should check himself. That's where the OP is getting it wrong. The wife submits to the hubby's love. That is the difference btw a child and a slave. A child already has the parents' love and obeys them to make them happy. A slave obeys his master to gain their approval.

Superb logic but let's take it one notch further

If the man does not love his wife as much but no abuse oo..
A bit indifferent and just sees her as a duty
What do you enjoin the wife to do? Not submit or work at it

andromida:

Men and women are equal but have different roles to play. A woman cannot produce sperm and a man cannot get pregnant. The roles are complimentary. The commandment to love and submit is because God gets us more than we can even begin to think. It is easy for a woman to submit to a man that loves her because she knows he has her best interest at heart. Impossible for a woman to submit to a man she does not trust because she knows she is not safe anything can happen.

biolabee: Superb logic but let's take it one notch further

If the man does not love his wife as much but no abuse oo..
A bit indifferent and just sees her as a duty
What do you enjoin the wife to do? Not submit or work at it

This post is not to me but...

What would make a husband not love his wife? he is not ready to obey God (love his wife) but he wants his wife to obey?

On the flip side, what would make a woman marry a man that doesn't love her? Most times, a woman can tell a man doesn't genuinely love her. A pastor once said something: 'Whatever you do to enter a marriage is what you will use to sustain it.' A woman begs, cajoles, and washes her way into marriage, she should be ready to do so. it is very funny when women who did everything to become a Mrs now expects their husbands to suddenly love them and treat them right. That's why we begin to hear crazy advices of look sexy, make up, ignore him, endure, pray and fast, cook efo riro etc. to get the man to do what he ought to do. Women should realize that they CAN NEVER force a man to love them and once they miss it, they should be ready to endure till death/divorce do them part.

As for men, what would make a man marry a woman he doesn't love? Most times, they date women they can't marry and one thing forces them to marry the women. Well, since the man has made the choice, he MUST learn to love her unconditionally. A man that loves his wife small (whatever that means) will be very difficult to submit to. The woman should just ask the husband for his rules and post it by her bedside so that she doesn't step on his toes. The truth is that such a home will have serious issues hence the tales of woe we hear daily in the family section.

it's also a big fallacy to believe that every couple married because they loved either other and wearing sexy clothes would make the marriage fine again.

So to answer your question, the wife should learn to submit to her husband but she should know that it's not for her husband's love BUT for her master's approval.

to andromida and bukatyne, fabulous posts.

Wow.. Sublime post
I have to give it to you guys..

The fact is that people have always married for other reasons aside love

In a way, love can be seens as hit and miss or something a couple grow into over time

What has never changed are the basic tenets of respect, value, security and obligation which people marry for

One may be lucky to get love in addition to this but if not life goes on

Nice post though..

bukatyne:

This post is not to me but...

What would make a husband not love his wife? he is not ready to obey God (love his wife) but he wants his wife to obey?

On the flip side, what would make a woman marry a man that doesn't love her? Most times, a woman can tell a man doesn't genuinely love her. A pastor once said something: 'Whatever you do to enter a marriage is what you will use to sustain it.' A woman begs, cajoles, and washes her way into marriage, she should be ready to do so. it is very funny when women who did everything to become a Mrs now expects their husbands to suddenly love them and treat them right. That's why we begin to hear crazy advices of look sexy, make up, ignore him, endure, pray and fast, cook efo riro etc. to get the man to do what he ought to do. Women should realize that they CAN NEVER force a man to love them and once they miss it, they should be ready to endure till death/divorce do them part.

As for men, what would make a man marry a woman he doesn't love? Most times, they date women they can't marry and one thing forces them to marry the women. Well, since the man has made the choice, he MUST learn to love her unconditionally. A man that loves his wife small (whatever that means) will be very difficult to submit to. The woman should just ask the husband for his rules and post it by her bedside so that she doesn't step on his toes. The truth is that such a home will have serious issues hence the tales of woe we hear daily in the family section.

it's also a big fallacy to believe that every couple married because they loved either other and wearing sexy clothes would make the marriage fine again.

So to answer your question, the wife should learn to submit to her husband but she should know that it's not for her husband's love BUT for her master's approval.

bukatyne:

God bless you andromida!

Most times, I say that any man that has problem with his wife submitting should check himself. That's where the OP is getting it wrong. The wife submits to the hubby's love. That is the difference btw a child and a slave. A child already has the parents' love and obeys them to make them happy. A slave obeys his master to gain their approval.

Sorry but I disagree. Marriage is a covenant between man, wife and God. When a couple gets married in church, they both swear before God that they will love, honour and cherish one another till death. And this promises and vows are not conditional. It is what they promise to do as long as they are in the marriage. You can read in the Bible how important keeping vows are.

So what happens when one spouse stops keeping his/her vows. God still expects the other spouse to continue keeping those vows or else both would have sinned. So it is wrong to say because I think my husband does not love me, I will not submit to him, that is sin. Your husband could genuinely love you, but because he does not show his love the way you want to be loved, you may think he does not love you, so, deciding you will not submit to him is wrong. Showing love can be relative. In such a scenario, the couple just need to communicate better and learn to know each others needs. As long as the wife is in the marriage she MUST submit to her husband. Likewise, a man cannot say because my wife does not submit to me, I will not love her, that is also wrong. Submission means different things to different people so communication again is what is required here. So again, as long as a man is in a marriage he MUST love his wife and that is God's expectation.

However, God clearly gives conditions under which you can get out of a marriage. The most common is adultery. If you have an unrepentantly adulterous spouse, then you can quit the marriage. Also the Bible talks about when one spouse desperately wants to leave. I also add my own (my opinion) that in the case of excessive physical abuse, you can separate o. So there are clear conditions under which a man or woman can leave a marriage.

But the summary is that as long as the marriage still exists, a man MUST love his wife and keep all other vows and a woman MUST submit to husband and keep all other vows. That is the covenant of marriage.

Some of you are really getting me wrong.You are not really getting the message here.All am trying to do is to awaken the giant in you women.You can break any man no matter how strong he thinks he is.As strong as Samson was in the Bible Delilah brough him down.As wise as Solomon was,women brought him down.The great notorious late Nigerian armed robber Oseni was captured via a woman.Have you watched THE BEAUTY AND THE BEAST?It might be a myth but the lessons are awesome.Women should rise to the challenge,it doesn't matter how rocky the man may be,you have all it takes to soften that heart.NO ONE IS YET TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS PLEASE.

biolabee: Superb logic but let's take it one notch further

If the man does not love his wife as much but no abuse oo..
A bit indifferent and just sees her as a duty
What do you enjoin the wife to do? Not submit or work at it

In times past marriages were arranged so the wife and husband had no choice but to do their best with whatever situation they found themselves in but now men choose their wives so how does a man end up with a wife he becomes indifferent to.?

Anyways people change, feelings fluctuate due to different challenges, if the man is indifferent and sees her as a duty she as a christian woman must uphold her faith to God first and continue to submit in love to God. Afterall she chose him too. I will particularly recommend while submitting she should strive to achieve her purpose and if she does not know yet she should keep looking and pursuing her purpose and happiness.

Submission here must now include wisdom not acting all holier than thou and playing the martyr, this is where op's post comes in handy. But as you can see from your question this is not the norm but an anomaly. An indifferent husband is not and should not be a usual marriage scenario.

The wisdom part here also goes beyond the op's opinion a woman in this situation should devise means to be happy irrespective of the husband's indifference. Life is beyond living for a man and love does not come from only one source. If she has a family she should invest in nurturing healthy love relationship with them, if she has friends she should enjoy them and if she is an orphan with no friends and kids she still has a purpose in life.

With or without love in a marriage both parties should live a life of purpose. All earthly relationships come to an end at one point or the other and finally through death does that mean we no longer will be happy forever? if a spouse dies and indeed someone must die before the other does the other spouse not keep on?

Marriage is not the end game in life.

@OP pls help us with the answer...I love ur post

bukatyne:

This post is not to me but...

What would make a husband not love his wife? he is not ready to obey God (love his wife) but he wants his wife to obey?

On the flip side, what would make a woman marry a man that doesn't love her? Most times, a woman can tell a man doesn't genuinely love her. A pastor once said something: 'Whatever you do to enter a marriage is what you will use to sustain it.' A woman begs, cajoles, and washes her way into marriage, she should be ready to do so. it is very funny when women who did everything to become a Mrs now expects their husbands to suddenly love them and treat them right. That's why we begin to hear crazy advices of look sexy, make up, ignore him, endure, pray and fast, cook efo riro etc. to get the man to do what he ought to do. Women should realize that they CAN NEVER force a man to love them and once they miss it, they should be ready to endure till death/divorce do them part.

As for men, what would make a man marry a woman he doesn't love? Most times, they date women they can't marry and one thing forces them to marry the women. Well, since the man has made the choice, he MUST learn to love her unconditionally. A man that loves his wife small (whatever that means) will be very difficult to submit to. The woman should just ask the husband for his rules and post it by her bedside so that she doesn't step on his toes. The truth is that such a home will have serious issues hence the tales of woe we hear daily in the family section.

it's also a big fallacy to believe that every couple married because they loved either other and wearing sexy clothes would make the marriage fine again.

So to answer your question, the wife should learn to submit to her husband but she should know that it's not for her husband's love BUT for her master's approval.

True talk, guess you posted while i was typing.

Good post..

Thanks for your response
I love it,,

andromida:

In times past marriages were arranged so the wife and husband had no choice but to do their best with whatever situation they found themselves in but now men choose their wives so how does a man end up with a wife he becomes indifferent to.?

Anyways people change, feelings fluctuate due to different challenges, if the man is indifferent and sees her as a duty she as a christian woman must uphold her faith to God first and continue to submit in love to God. Afterall she chose him too. I will particularly recommend while submitting she should strive to achieve her purpose and if she does not know yet she should keep looking and pursuing her purpose and happiness.

Submission here must now include wisdom not acting all holier than thou and playing the martyr, this is where op's post comes in handy. But as you can see from your question this is not the norm but an anomaly. An indifferent husband is not and should not be a usual marriage scenario.

The wisdom part here also goes beyond the op's opinion a woman in this situation should devise means to be happy irrespective of the husband's indifference. Life is beyond living for a man and love does not come from only one source. If she has a family she should invest in nurturing healthy love relationship with them, if she has friends she should enjoy them and if she is an orphan with no friends and kids she still has a purpose in life.

With or without love in a marriage both parties should live a life of purpose. All earthly relationships come to an end at one point or the other and finally through death does that mean we no longer will be happy forever? if a spouse dies and indeed someone must die before the other does the other spouse not keep on?

Marriage is not the end game in life.

Should I wait for the next three years to make this thread ten years old?