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Please Help A Newbie by kenx1(m): 6:59am On Aug 09, 2013
I'm about buying my first car which is a toyota 2005 model with a mileage of 73,500, please i want to know if the mileage of the car is okay.
Re: Please Help A Newbie by bellong: 7:17am On Aug 09, 2013
You should be more concerned about the service and maintenance history of the vehicle than the mileage.


A properly maintained and serviced vehicle is a good buy irrespective of mileage. You will be surprised that a car properly serviced and handled with a mileage of 180k will perform better and outlast one with 75k mileage not handled properly.


To answer your question, a 73k mileage vehicle is as good as buying a second order new car. Meanwhile, I doubt if that is the correct mileage and it is not a case of odometer roll-back.
Can you get the VIN no of the vehicle and post it here?
Re: Please Help A Newbie by kenx1(m): 7:22am On Aug 09, 2013
bellong: You should be more concerned about the service and maintenance history of the vehicle than the mileage.


A properly maintained and serviced vehicle is a good buy irrespective of mileage. You will be surprised that a car properly serviced and handled with a mileage of 180k will perform better and outlast one with 75k mileage not handled properly.


To answer your question, a 73k mileage vehicle is as good as buying a second order new car. Meanwhile, I doubt if that is the correct mileage and it is not a case of odometer roll-back.
Can you get the VIN no of the vehicle and post it here?

WILL POST IT HERE
Re: Please Help A Newbie by bellong: 7:30am On Aug 09, 2013
Ok
Re: Please Help A Newbie by kenx1(m): 7:34am On Aug 09, 2013
PLZ WHERE DO I FIND THE VIN
Re: Please Help A Newbie by bellong: 7:59am On Aug 09, 2013
The VIN can be found by looking at the dashboard on the driver's side of the vehicle. The easiest way to view it is to stand outside the vehicle on the driver's side and look at the corner of the dashboard where it meets the windshield. If the VIN cannot be found there, open the driver's side door and look at the door post (where the door latches when it is closed). It is likely that the VIN will also be displayed in this location. See the image attached

Re: Please Help A Newbie by kenx1(m): 6:52pm On Aug 09, 2013
PLEASE FIND THE VIN BELOW;

4T1BE32K85U526303

THANK YOU
Re: Please Help A Newbie by bellong: 8:12pm On Aug 09, 2013
Like I had my doubt about the mileage. You are dealing with an odometer roll back. The car had been in two accidents in 2007 and 2008. The true mileage on the car is about 214K. Find below the summary of the vehicle's history.

Vehicle: 2005 Toyota Camry Base / LE / SE / XLE (4T1BE32K85U526303)

Event Date Event Location Odometer Reading Data Source Event Detail
12/20/2004

Independent Source VEHICLE MANUFACTURED AND SHIPPED TO DEALER
01/18/2005 BILLERICA, MA

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
01/18/2005 BILLERICA, MA

Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLED OR REGISTERED AS A RENTAL VEHICLE, OR PART OF A RENTAL FLEET
02/04/2005 BILLERICA, MA
7
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:BB0385584)
02/03/2006 WATERTOWN, MA

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
02/17/2006 WATERTOWN, MA
18,520
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:BC0828044) (Lien Reported)
02/17/2006 WATERTOWN, MA

Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:BC828044) (Lien Reported)
10/01/2006 WATERTOWN, MA

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/23/2007 NORWOOD, MA

Accident Source ACCIDENT OR VEHICLE DAMAGE REPORTED
08/23/2007 NEEDHAM, MA

State Agency ACCIDENT REPORTED (Case #:002261455)
04/04/2008 WATERTOWN, MA

Accident Source ACCIDENT OR VEHICLE DAMAGE REPORTED: FRONT CENTER
04/04/2008 NEEDHAM, MA

State Agency ACCIDENT REPORTED (Case #:002320767)
COLLISION WITH ANOTHER VEHICLE
10/01/2008 WATERTOWN, MA

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
10/01/2010 WATERTOWN, MA

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
10/01/2012 WATERTOWN, MA

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
03/31/2013 NEW ENGLAND REGION
214,537
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION
04/01/2013 NEW ENGLAND REGION
214,537 Last odometer reading
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION AS DEALER VEHICLE
04/13/2013 BOSTON, MA

Independent Source VEHICLE EXPORTED TO BENIN
Re: Please Help A Newbie by kenx1(m): 11:17pm On Aug 09, 2013
So what's your advise
Re: Please Help A Newbie by bellong: 9:54am On Aug 10, 2013
I wouldn't buy if I were in your situation.

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Re: Please Help A Newbie by Mueeze(m): 2:12pm On Aug 10, 2013
Hi.

I am a newbie also, please can you look at this VIN for me too.

It's a toyota corolla 2000 model 2T1BR12E3YC314272
Re: Please Help A Newbie by ziccoit: 8:29pm On Aug 10, 2013
bellong: Like I had my doubt about the mileage. You are dealing with an odometer roll back. The car had been in two accidents in 2007 and 2008. The true mileage on the car is about 214K. Find below the summary

214K! That is callous. @OP, just copy the link of this thread and send it to your dealer. He needs to know he has been busted.
Re: Please Help A Newbie by cardoctor(m): 3:05pm On Aug 11, 2013
Nice one Bellong. Its high time we start exposing this crooked car sellers.
Re: Please Help A Newbie by inze(m): 3:55pm On Aug 11, 2013
Mueeze: Hi.

I am a newbie also, please can you look at this VIN for me too.

It's a toyota corolla 2000 model 2T1BR12E3YC314272


AutoCheck Vehicle History Report
2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE
Report Run Date: 2013-08-11 10:55:18.074 EDT
Report Summary


Class: Small Car - Economy
Engine: 1.8L I4 EFI
Country of Assembly: Canada
Vehicle Age: 13 year(s)
Calculated Owners: 2
VIN: 2T1BR12E3YC314272
Year : 2000
Make : Toyota
Model: Corolla CE / LE / VE
Style/Body: Sedan 4D
This Vehicle's AutoCheck Score




The AutoCheck Score is a summary of your vehicle's history. It lets you compare similar vehicles with ease.
About the AutoCheck Score
This vehicle does not qualify for Buyback Protection


Unfortunately, this vehicle does not qualify for our Buyback Protection program.
About Buyback Protection

AccidentCheck
Reported accidents: 2

Title and ProblemCheck
Major title or other problem(s) reported

OdometerCheck
Your vehicle checks out!
Last Reported Odometer: 44,841

Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Specific vehicle use(s) or events reported
View Full History

AccidentCheck
Not all accidents / issues are reported to AutoCheck

Information Reported! AutoCheck shows accidents reported to AutoCheck for this 2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE (2T1BR12E3YC314272). Below you will find the date and location reported for the accident. Not all accidents or damage events are reported to AutoCheck.

Accidents Reported on This Vehicle
Accident No.Reported DateLocation
1 08/21/2001 UNION, NJ
2 05/03/2013 NY
Reported accidents or damage events are a result of vehicle collisions or other non-collision incidents such as vandalism or theft. Not all accidents or damage events are reported to AutoCheck.


Title and ProblemCheck
Problem Reported! AutoCheck's database for this 2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE (2T1BR12E3YC314272) shows a negative title(s) or other problems. When reported to AutoCheck, these events can indicate serious past damage or other significant problems, and disqualifies the vehicle for AutoCheck Buyback Protection. Check the Vehicle Use and EventCheck for reported accidents.

1 Problem(s) Reported:15 Title/Problem areas checked:
No abandoned title record
No damaged title or major damage incident record
No fire damaged title record
No grey market title record
No hail damage title record
No insurance loss title or probable total loss record
No junk or scrapped title record
No manufacturer buyback/lemon title record
No odometer problem title record
No rebuilt/rebuildable title record
Salvage title or salvage auction record(s)
No water damaged title record
No NHTSA crash test record
No frame/unibody damage record
No recycling facility record

OdometerCheck
Your vehicle checks out! AutoCheck examined the reported odometer readings reported to AutoCheck for this 2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE (2T1BR12E3YC314272) and no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. AutoCheck uses business rules to determine if reported odometer readings are significantly less than previously reported values. Not all reported odometer readings are used. Title and auction events also report odometer tampering or breakage.

0 Problem(s) Reported:MileageDate Reported 
13 12/29/1999   
4,000 03/31/2000   
44,841 06/25/2003   

Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Information Reported! AutoCheck shows additional vehicle uses or events reported to AutoCheck for this 2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE (2T1BR12E3YC314272). This includes reported vehicle uses such as rental or lease, and events such as whether the vehicle has been reported to have had a loan/lien or duplicate title issued. Other events show if the vehicle has a reported accident and how many calculated accidents or if it has been reported stolen or repossessed. It is recommended to have pre-owned vehicles inspected by a third party prior to purchase.

0 Event(s) Reported:6 Vehicle uses checked:
No fleet, rental and/or lease use record
No taxi use record
No police use record
No government use record
No livery use record
No driver education record
1 Event(s) Reported: 9 Vehicle events checked:
2 Accident record(s) reported through accident data sources
No corrected title record
No duplicate title record
No emission/safety inspection record
No loan/lien record
No fire damage incident record
No repossessed record
No theft record
No storm area registration/title record
Full History
Below are the historical events for this vehicle listed in chronological order. Any discrepancies will be in bold text.

Report Run Date: 2013-08-11 10:55:18.074 EDT

Vehicle: 2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE (2T1BR12E3YC314272)

Event DateEvent LocationOdometer Reading Data SourceEvent Detail
11/22/1999  
 
Independent Source VEHICLE MANUFACTURED AND SHIPPED TO DEALER
12/29/1999 EDISON, NJ
13
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:GD199936300000346)
12/31/1999 EDISON, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
03/31/2000 NJ
4,000
Independent Source INDEPENDENT INSPECTION
12/31/2000 EDISON, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/21/2001 UNION, NJ
 
State Agency REAR IMPACT WITH ANOTHER VEHICLE (Case #:B130012053A)
12/31/2001 EDISON, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2002 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/25/2003 NJ
44,841
Independent Source INDEPENDENT INSPECTION/THEFT DETERRENT EQUIPPED
12/31/2003 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2004 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2005 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2006 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2008 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2009 NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2010 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/26/2011 NEW CITY, NY
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/04/2011 NEW CITY, NY
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE
05/03/2013 NY
 
Police Report LEFT FRONT IMPACT COLLISION
ACCIDENT REPORTED (Case #:897)
07/23/2013 NY
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE
SALVAGE
This Vehicle's Glossary
Re: Please Help A Newbie by Mueeze(m): 4:28pm On Aug 11, 2013
Thanks for the VIN check.

What do you suggest? Should I go for the car or not?
It currently has a milage of 96000.







inze:

AutoCheck Vehicle History Report
2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE
Report Run Date: 2013-08-11 10:55:18.074 EDT
Report Summary


Class: Small Car - Economy
Engine: 1.8L I4 EFI
Country of Assembly: Canada
Vehicle Age: 13 year(s)
Calculated Owners: 2
VIN: 2T1BR12E3YC314272
Year : 2000
Make : Toyota
Model: Corolla CE / LE / VE
Style/Body: Sedan 4D
This Vehicle's AutoCheck Score




The AutoCheck Score is a summary of your vehicle's history. It lets you compare similar vehicles with ease.
About the AutoCheck Score
This vehicle does not qualify for Buyback Protection


Unfortunately, this vehicle does not qualify for our Buyback Protection program.
About Buyback Protection

AccidentCheck
Reported accidents: 2

Title and ProblemCheck
Major title or other problem(s) reported

OdometerCheck
Your vehicle checks out!
Last Reported Odometer: 44,841

Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Specific vehicle use(s) or events reported
View Full History

AccidentCheck
Not all accidents / issues are reported to AutoCheck

Information Reported! AutoCheck shows accidents reported to AutoCheck for this 2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE (2T1BR12E3YC314272). Below you will find the date and location reported for the accident. Not all accidents or damage events are reported to AutoCheck.

Accidents Reported on This Vehicle
Accident No.Reported DateLocation
1 08/21/2001 UNION, NJ
2 05/03/2013 NY
Reported accidents or damage events are a result of vehicle collisions or other non-collision incidents such as vandalism or theft. Not all accidents or damage events are reported to AutoCheck.


Title and ProblemCheck
Problem Reported! AutoCheck's database for this 2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE (2T1BR12E3YC314272) shows a negative title(s) or other problems. When reported to AutoCheck, these events can indicate serious past damage or other significant problems, and disqualifies the vehicle for AutoCheck Buyback Protection. Check the Vehicle Use and EventCheck for reported accidents.

1 Problem(s) Reported:15 Title/Problem areas checked:
No abandoned title record
No damaged title or major damage incident record
No fire damaged title record
No grey market title record
No hail damage title record
No insurance loss title or probable total loss record
No junk or scrapped title record
No manufacturer buyback/lemon title record
No odometer problem title record
No rebuilt/rebuildable title record
Salvage title or salvage auction record(s)
No water damaged title record
No NHTSA crash test record
No frame/unibody damage record
No recycling facility record

OdometerCheck
Your vehicle checks out! AutoCheck examined the reported odometer readings reported to AutoCheck for this 2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE (2T1BR12E3YC314272) and no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. AutoCheck uses business rules to determine if reported odometer readings are significantly less than previously reported values. Not all reported odometer readings are used. Title and auction events also report odometer tampering or breakage.

0 Problem(s) Reported:MileageDate Reported 
13 12/29/1999   
4,000 03/31/2000   
44,841 06/25/2003   

Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Information Reported! AutoCheck shows additional vehicle uses or events reported to AutoCheck for this 2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE (2T1BR12E3YC314272). This includes reported vehicle uses such as rental or lease, and events such as whether the vehicle has been reported to have had a loan/lien or duplicate title issued. Other events show if the vehicle has a reported accident and how many calculated accidents or if it has been reported stolen or repossessed. It is recommended to have pre-owned vehicles inspected by a third party prior to purchase.

0 Event(s) Reported:6 Vehicle uses checked:
No fleet, rental and/or lease use record
No taxi use record
No police use record
No government use record
No livery use record
No driver education record
1 Event(s) Reported: 9 Vehicle events checked:
2 Accident record(s) reported through accident data sources
No corrected title record
No duplicate title record
No emission/safety inspection record
No loan/lien record
No fire damage incident record
No repossessed record
No theft record
No storm area registration/title record
Full History
Below are the historical events for this vehicle listed in chronological order. Any discrepancies will be in bold text.

Report Run Date: 2013-08-11 10:55:18.074 EDT

Vehicle: 2000 Toyota Corolla CE / LE / VE (2T1BR12E3YC314272)

Event DateEvent LocationOdometer Reading Data SourceEvent Detail
11/22/1999  
 
Independent Source VEHICLE MANUFACTURED AND SHIPPED TO DEALER
12/29/1999 EDISON, NJ
13
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:GD199936300000346)
12/31/1999 EDISON, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
03/31/2000 NJ
4,000
Independent Source INDEPENDENT INSPECTION
12/31/2000 EDISON, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/21/2001 UNION, NJ
 
State Agency REAR IMPACT WITH ANOTHER VEHICLE (Case #:B130012053A)
12/31/2001 EDISON, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2002 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/25/2003 NJ
44,841
Independent Source INDEPENDENT INSPECTION/THEFT DETERRENT EQUIPPED
12/31/2003 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2004 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2005 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2006 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2008 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2009 NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2010 BRIDGEWATER, NJ
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/26/2011 NEW CITY, NY
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/04/2011 NEW CITY, NY
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE
05/03/2013 NY
 
Police Report LEFT FRONT IMPACT COLLISION
ACCIDENT REPORTED (Case #:897)
07/23/2013 NY
 
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE
SALVAGE
This Vehicle's Glossary
Re: Please Help A Newbie by bellong: 5:30pm On Aug 11, 2013
Mueeze: Thanks for the VIN check.

What do you suggest? Should I go for the car or not?
It currently has a milage of 96000.


According to the history report here, the last reported odometer reading was in 2003 at 44,841. There is no way it will still be 96000 in 2013 except the owner changed the engine.

However, considering the accident reported in july, 2013 to be a front impact collision, you are not sure of its impact on the engine. I will not advise you to buy the vehicle, it will require additional spending to bring it back to shape. I do not know how well you can afford that.

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