This is culled from the Holy Spirit and His gifts by Hagin.I was going through it in one of my threads Ten reasons why every believers should speak in tongues and i was blessed. I hope you will be blessed and refreshed as you go through it.

In the church world today many people say, "Tongues have been done away with, because the Bible says that tongues will cease." The Bible does say that one day tongues will cease, but that is not referring to this present church age. However, to try to prove that tongues have already ceased, these folks usually refer to First Corinthians 13:8-12

First Corinthians 13:8-
Charity [love] never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail;
WHETHER THERE BE TONGUES, THEY SHALL CEASE; whether there be knowledge, it
shall vanish away.9. for we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when THAT WHICH IS PERFECT is come, then THAT WHICH IS IN PART shall be
done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child:
but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For NOW we SEE THROUGH A GLASS, darkly; but THEN FACE TO FACE: NOW I
KNOW IN PART; but THEN SHALL I KNOW even as also I am known.

These folks use verse 10 to try to prove that tongues have ceased, because they say the Bible is "that which is perfect" which has already come. They say that since we have the Bible in its complete form now, we no longer need "that which is in part" — which includes supernatural gifts (1 Cor. 13:10).

Of course, the Bible is perfect, but our under-standing of the Bible certainly is not perfect.Therefore, until that which is perfect has come, we still "see through a glass darkly" in this life(1 Cor. 13:12). Hence, "that which is in part" (1 Cor. 13:10) has not ceased.

1 CORINTHIANS 13:8.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there
be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be KNOWLEDGE, it SHALL VANISH AWAY.


These folks who say tongues have ceased don't say anything about knowledge having vanished away (1 Cor. 13:8.) But if they are going to quote that verse, they need to quote the whole verse because it also says, ". . . whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be KNOWLEDGE, it shall VANISH AWAY" (1 Cor. 13:8.)

Knowledge has not vanished away. Prophecies have not failed or ceased to exist, and,therefore, tongues have not ceased. However, one of these days, tongues will cease. In heaven there will be no necessity for tongues because that which is perfect will have come (1Cor. 13:10).

1 CORINTHIANS 14:2
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for
no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


Let's look at Moffatt's translation of First Corinthians 14:2.

1 CORINTHIANS 14:2 (Moffatt)
2 ... For he who speaks in a 'tongue' addresses God, not man; no one understands him;
he is talking of divine secrets in the Spirit.

When we get to heaven, there won't be any more mysteries or secrets, so it won't be necessary to speak with tongues. As long as we are this side of heaven, however, tongues will not cease.

Are Tongues Available for All Believers?

As we said before,(Refer to my thread 10 reasons every believer should speak in tongues) there is more to being filled with the Holy Spirit than speaking in tongues;but speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit.

There are those who purport to believe in speaking in tongues but do not feel that tongues are necessary for all believers. However, the baptism in the Holy Spirit is for all those who believe(Acts 2:38,39); therefore, speaking in tongues as an evidence of the Spirit's infilling is also for all those who believe.

Those who say that speaking in tongues is not necessary for all believers use the scripture in First Corinthians 12:30 which says, ". . . do all speak with tongues?. . ." to prove their argument.

However, one could take a part of a verse of Scripture, or even one entire verse of Scripture out of its setting and try to prove anything with it. But we have to read the entire context to see what the writer is talking about.To learn what Paul is talking about in First Corinthians 12:30, ". . . do all speak with tongues? .. ." we must read the entire context in First Corinthians chapter 12.

Having done that, then let's look specifically at verses 27 through 30.

1 CORINTHIANS 12:27-30
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first APOSTLES, secondarily PROPHETS,
thirdly TEACHERS, after that MIRACLES, then GIFTS OF HEALINGS, HELPS,
GOVERNMENTS,
DIVERSITIES OF TONGUES.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

What is Paul talking about in this passage of Scripture? He is talking about ministry gifts, not spiritual gifts. Ministry gifts are those people in the Body of Christ who are called by God to stand in the fivefold ministry (Eph.4:11,12).These apostles, prophets, teachers, and so forth, listed here in First Corinthians 12:27 and 28 are ministry gifts that God has set in the Church.

For example, first, "apostles" is not a spiritual gift, but it is an office or a ministry gift.Second, "prophets" is not a spiritual gift, but it is a ministry gift. Third, "teachers," the office of a teacher, is not a spiritual gift, but a ministry gift, or one called to minister to the Body of Christ.Therefore, in this passage of Scripture in First Corinthians 12:27-30, Paul is talking about ministry gifts, or those called to the fivefold ministry, not about spiritual gifts.


In order to see the difference between ministry gifts and spiritual gifts, let's look at the nine spiritual gifts, or gifts of the Spirit. Paul lists them in the first part of this chapter.

1 CORINTHIANS 12:8-10
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the WORD OF WISDOM; to another the WORD OF
KNOWLEDGE by the same Spirit;
9 To another FAITH [special faith] by the same Spirit; to another the GIFTS OF HEALING
by the same Spirit;
10 To another the WORKING OF MIRACLES; to another PROPHECY; to another
DISCERNING OF SPIRITS; to another DIVERS KINDS OF TONGUES; to another the
INTERPRETATION OF TONGUES.

It is certainly true that gifts of the Spirit may be manifested through the laity, not just through ministry gifts or those called to the fivefold ministry, because the Bible does say, "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given TO EVERY MAN to profit withal" (1Cor. 12:7).

However, there are those in the fivefold ministry who are especially equipped with certain gifts of the Spirit in order to fulfill their office or function in the Body of Christ. We do not call those people spiritual gifts or gifts of the Spirit; they are ministries or ministry gifts that God has set in the Church.

EPHESIANS 4:11,12
11 And he gave some, APOSTLES; and some, PROPHETS; and some, EVANGELISTS;
and some, PASTORS and TEACHERS;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the
body of Christ

There are five ministry gifts or offices. They are people in the Body of Christ who are called by God to stand in the fivefold ministry.

Now let's look at First Corinthians 12:28 in context so we can understand what Paul meant when he said, "... do all speak with tongues?. . ." (1 Cor. 12:30).

In First Corinthians 12:28, Paul is also listing ministry gifts, but he lists them in a little different way.

1 CORINTHIANS 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first APOSTLES, secondarily PROPHETS,
thirdly TEACHERS, after that MIRACLES, then GIFTS OF HEALINGS, HELPS,
GOVERNMENTS, DIVERSITIES OF TONGUES.

Now let's look at each one of these ministry gifts, so we can understand the phrase "do all speak with tongues?"

Miracles and Gifts of Healings

Those gifts of "miracles" and "gifts of healings" indicate a ministry gift — the office of the evangelist. The ministry of an evangelist is not listed at all here, except as "miracles" and "gifts of healings," indicating the office of the evangelist.Philip is our only example of a New Testament evangelist. We can see the working of miracles and gifts of healings operating in his ministry which indicate the ministry of an evangelist.

ACTS 8:5-7
5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake,
HEARING AND SEEING THE MIRACLES WHICH HE DID.
7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed
with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.

Later on Philip was called an evangelist.

ACTS 21:8
8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea:
and we entered into the house of PHILIP THE EVANGELIST, which was one of the
seven; and abode with him.

If a person is a New Testament evangelist, he will be equipped with supernatural gifts such as working of miracles and gifts of healings. In fact, it takes at least those two gifts to constitute the office of the evangelist.

Many times we call people evangelists who are really exhorters. In other words, they just exhort sinners to get saved, but they are not really New Testament evangelists; they are exhorters.

Exhorters do not have the gifts of healings or the gift of the working of miracles operating in their ministries. They are exhorters; that is their function in the Body of Christ. And they can exhort people to get saved, but there is no manifestation of supernatural gifts operating in their lives or ministries on a continual basis. Paul speaks of exhorters in the Book of Romans (Rom.12:8.).

Helps

The ministry of helps is included in this passage in First Corinthians 12:27-30 too. These are people in the Body of Christ who are divinely called and anointed by God to help those in the fivefold ministry. Verse 28 calls this ministry, "helps." Their function is as a supportive role to those called to the ministry.


Governments

Also, the ministry or the office of the pastor is not listed in this verse either, as such. However,the office of governments is listed which indicates the pastoral office because the pastor is the head of a church. He "governs" or shepherds the local body.

Diversities of Tongues

Another ministry gift we see listed in First Corinthians 12:28 is diversities of tongues. Paul has not changed his subject in this verse. He is still talking about ministry gifts, or fivefold ministry offices, not gifts of the Spirit.

In other words, in this passage, Paul isn't talking about being filled with the Holy Ghost and speaking with tongues as a devotional gift because he said, "Are all apostles? [No!] are all prophets? [No!] are all teachers? [No!] are all workers of miracles? [No!] Have all the gifts of healing? ..." The answer is no (1 Cor. 12:29,30).

Then Paul said, ". . . do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?" (1 Cor. 12:30). The answer is no, all do not speak with tongues as a ministry gift. Paul was not talking about believers being filled with the Holy Ghost and speaking with tongues in their private devotional prayer lives[b]. However, all believers are encouraged to speak in tongues to themselves and to God (1 Cor.14:2,4)[/b].

Paul was talking about ministering in tongues in a public assembly with interpretation as a ministry gift, and not everyone does that. Ministering in tongues in public assembly with interpretation on more of a continual basis denotes the ministry gift of diversities of tongues most closely related to the office of the prophet, and not every believer has that gift. This is not referring to a believer who is used in tongues or interpretation of tongues on an occasional
basis.

Of course, every believer can have the gift of speaking in other tongues for private devotion.The gifts of the Spirit are for all believers. But ministry gifts only refer to those who are called to the fivefold ministry.

It is true that the laity are sometimes used in the manifestation of the gift of tongues and interpretation of tongues — the gift of the Spirit listed in First Corinthians 12:10. But, actually,diversities of tongues listed here in First Corinthians 12:28 is not referring to lay members speaking in tongues; it is referring to an office — a fivefold ministry gift.

1 CORINTHIANS 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly
teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, DIVERSITIES
OF TONGUES.

1 CORINTHIANS 14:27,28
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and
that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to
himself, and to God.

Paul was speaking here about one of the fivefold ministry gifts which is equipped with tongues and interpretation of tongues. This spiritual equipment of diversities of tongues is manifested on a consistent basis through one who is called to the fivefold ministry in the office of the prophet.


Tongues and Interpretation in Public Ministry

For years I have ministered to people through the gift of tongues and interpretation. Now I do the same thing in prophecy. It is important to note that a person doesn't always necessarily have just one gift operating at a time. Many times spiritual gifts operate together. Like the colors of a rainbow, they sometimes come together and overflow one into another.For example, I have ministered healing to people through tongues and interpretation. I have seen them get up from a deathbed, and they are still well and alive today. In a case such as that, the gifts of healings operate in conjunction with tongues and interpretation.


Also, many times through tongues and interpretation the Holy Spirit will make manifest the secrets of men's hearts. And at times through tongues and interpretation, the Spirit of God through me has told ministers their very need and the desire of their hearts.


The Value of Speaking in Tongues

Many have been robbed of the blessings God intended them to have by believing that speaking in tongues isn't for everyone, or that speaking in tongues is one of the lesser gifts of the Spirit.

Before I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, I used to say, "We've got wisdom and knowledge, and those are the greater gifts of the Spirit."(The Bible never said a thing in the world about wisdom and knowledge being spiritual gifts or gifts of the Spirit in and of themselves, but I didn't have enough sense to know that!)

What the scripture says is, "For to one is given by the Spirit the WORD of wisdom; to another the WORD of knowledge ..." (1 Cor. 12:. But the Bible isn't speaking here of wisdom and knowledge at all. It is speaking about the spiritual gifts of the word of wisdom and the word of knowledge. As I already said, before I received the infilling of the Holy Ghost, I used to say, "We have wisdom and knowledge and those are the important gifts." I also said, "Now a few of those Pentecostals might have that little ole gift mentioned down toward the end of First Corinthians
12:8-10, the gift of tongues. But that gift really isn't very important, so we don't need it."

To my utter astonishment, the Spirit of God began to show me from His Word that I needed this valuable spiritual gift; I needed to be filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. The Lord showed me from the Word that when I got filled with the Holy Ghost, I would speak with tongues (Acts 2:4).

The Spirit of God revealed to me from the Word that speaking with tongues is an initial evidence or sign of the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:4 says, "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and BEGAN TO SPEAK WITH OTHER TONGUES, as the Spirit gave them utterance."

However, speaking with tongues does not occur as just one initial experience of being filled with the Holy Ghost, and then it ceases. Speaking with tongues is a continual experience for the rest of one's life to assist in the worship of God. As Howard Carter said, "It is a flowing stream that should never dry up, but will [continually] enrich the life spiritually."'

Notice that in writing to the Church at Corinth, Paul very definitely encouraged the Corinthian Christians to follow the practice of speaking with tongues in their own private prayer lives. And
he gives a number of reasons for it.

Paul said, "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself. . ." (1 Cor. 14:4). The word "unknown" is italicized in the King James translation. When a word in the Bible is italicized in the King James translation, that means the word isn't in the original Scriptures. It was added by the translators to clarify the meaning.


Therefore, in one sense of the word, there isn't any such thing as an unknown tongue. For instance, the translators of the King James Version added the word "unknown" in order to convey the idea to readers that tongues are unknown to the speaker. However, tongues aren't necessarily always unknown to everyone, and they are never unknown to God.

For example, as I have spoken in tongues publicly on different occasions, I have spoken in a number of different languages that I have never learned, such as hebrew and Arabic. And some folks who were present have understood what I said. But if I were asked now to speak these languages, I couldn't say one word in any of them. So in that sense, the tongues were unknown to me, but they weren't unknown to everyone, and they are certainly never unknownto God.

brosno one said theyb have ceasesd.Likewise it is not every christia that have the gift.Mind you the gift of speaking in tongues(what happened on the day of pentecost) is not the same thing as the gift of tongues(what is described in the book of corinthians)

on the day of pentecost the apostles spoke in one language(say hebrew) and the congragation heard the apostles in their own native tongues.In corinthians peple were said to speak in the language of angels but people did not understand unless it was interpretated by someone imbud with the spirit of interpretation.

this two scenarios are not the same thing, though often confused with each other.What happened on the day of pentecost is very rare and in xtian history has only been recoreded again st Vincent Ferrer in the fourteenth century.The events explained the the book of corinthians is far more popular today but instructions given in the book of corinthians for folowing whe practising it atre not often adhered to be most churches.

chukwudi44: brosno one said theyb have ceasesd.Likewise it is not every christia that have the gift.Mind you the gift of speaking in tongues(what happened on the day of pentecost) is not the same thing as the gift of tongues(what is described in the book of corinthians)

on the day of pentecost the apostles spoke in one language(say hebrew) and the congragation heard the apostles in their own native tongues.In corinthians peple were said to speak in the language of angels but people did not understand unless it was interpretated by someone imbud with the spirit of interpretation.

this two scenarios are not the same thing, though often confused with each other.What happened on the day of pentecost is very rare and in xtian history has only been recoreded again st Vincent Ferrer in the fourteenth century.The events explained the the book of corinthians is far more popular today but instructions given in the book of corinthians for folowing whe practising it atre not often adhered to be most churches.

I am not interested in the history of one brosno or vincent ferrer. The bible is there to speak for itself whether tongues has ceased or not.
Every believer can have the gift of speaking in other tongues for private devotion.The gifts of the Spirit are for all believers.


1 CORINTHIANS 14:2
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for
no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.



Let's look at Moffatt's translation of First Corinthians 14:2.

1 CORINTHIANS 14:2 (Moffatt)
2 ... For he who speaks in a 'tongue' addresses God, not man; no one understands him;
he is talking of divine secrets in the Spirit.


Notice that in writing to the Church at Corinth, Paul very definitely encouraged the Corinthian Christians to follow the practice of speaking with tongues in their own private prayer lives

Bidam: I am not interested in the history of one brosno or vincent ferrer. The bible is there to speak for itself whether tongues has ceased or not.
Every believer can have the gift of speaking in other tongues for private devotion.The gifts of the Spirit are for all believers.


1 CORINTHIANS 14:2
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for
no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.



Let's look at Moffatt's translation of First Corinthians 14:2.

1 CORINTHIANS 14:2 (Moffatt)
2 ... For he who speaks in a 'tongue' addresses God, not man; no one understands him;
he is talking of divine secrets in the Spirit.


Notice that in writing to the Church at Corinth, Paul very definitely encouraged the Corinthian Christians to follow the practice of speaking with tongues in their own private prayer lives

bros the bible maks it clear not everyone should speak in the gift of tongues.stop overflogging this issue.


•1 Cor. 12:7-11, "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another different kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues. 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."
•1 Cor. 12:29-30, "Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret

chukwudi44:

bros the bible maks it clear not everyone should speak in the gift of tongues.stop overflogging this issue.


•1 Cor. 12:7-11, "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another different kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues. 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."
•1 Cor. 12:29-30, "Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret

The scripture you just quoted has been addressed.Go through the thread carefully,if there is anything you don't understand you can quote it and ask questions. Thanks.

Bidam: The scripture you just quoted has been addressed.Go through the thread carefully,if there is anything you don't understand you can quote it and ask questions. Thanks.

Lol..I have a question sir.


What is the difference between 'tongue' and 'tongues' ?

Bros which one is spritual ministry and spiritual gifts ni?

You cannot have the office of the ministry of prophecy without having the gift of prophecy,ditto teaching and the other so called ministries.

You are merely playing with terminologies.

shdemidemi:

Lol..I have a question sir.


What is the difference between 'tongue' and 'tongues' ?

chukwudi44: Bros which one is spritual ministry and spiritual gifts ni?

You cannot have the office of the ministry of prophecy without having the gift of prophecy,ditto teaching and the other so called ministries.

You are merely playing with terminologies.

I will address both post at a go. Acts 2:4 says, "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and BEGAN TO SPEAK WITH OTHER TONGUES, as the Spirit gave them utterance."That means it wasn't just one person that was present that day.There are 120 of them.

Apostle Paul says:
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
— 1 Corinthians 14:18

Emphasizing both his ministry gifts and devotional gifts of tongue( in his prayer life).However, speaking with tongues does not occur as just one initial experience of being filled with the Holy Ghost, and then it ceases. Speaking with tongues is a continual experience for the rest of one's life to assist in the worship of God. "For they HEARD THEM SPEAK WITH TONGUES, and magnify God ..." (Acts 10:46).

1 CORINTHIANS 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first APOSTLES, secondarily PROPHETS,
thirdly TEACHERS, after that MIRACLES, then GIFTS OF HEALINGS, HELPS,
GOVERNMENTS, DIVERSITIES OF TONGUES.

Here Paul refers to ministry gifts where speakers speak divers tongues either of men or angels.In other words, in this passage, Paul isn't talking about being filled with the Holy Ghost and speaking with tongues as a devotional gift.

I think this is where you miss it when Paul says:"He that speaketh in an unknown tongue
edifi-eth himself. . ."(1Cor. 14:4). The word "unknown" is italicized in the King James translation. When a word in the Bible is italicized in the King James translation, that means the word isn't in the original Scriptures. It was added by the translators to clarify the meaning.


Therefore, in one sense of the word, there isn't any such thing as an unknown tongue. For instance, the translators of the King James Version added the word "unknown" in order to convey the idea to readers that tongues are unknown to the speaker. However, tongues aren't necessarily always unknown to everyone, and they are never unknown to God.

As for ministry gifts and spiritual gifts. the Bible does say, "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given TO EVERY MAN to profit withal" (1Cor. 12:7). The people in the five fold ministry in EPHESIANS 4:11,12
possess MINISTRY GIFTS NOT SPIRITUAL GIFTS. The post is clear enough on that while the spiritual gifts is seen in 1 CORINTHIANS 12:8-10
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the WORD OF WISDOM; to another the WORD OF
KNOWLEDGE by the same Spirit;
9 To another FAITH [special faith] by the same Spirit; to another the GIFTS OF HEALING
by the same Spirit;
10 To another the WORKING OF MIRACLES; to another PROPHECY; to another
DISCERNING OF SPIRITS; to another DIVERS KINDS OF TONGUES; to another the
INTERPRETATION OF TONGUES. Which every believer can manifest in.

Ministry gifts is shown in EPHESIANS 4:11,12
11 And he gave some, APOSTLES; and some, PROPHETS; and some, EVANGELISTS;
and some, PASTORS and TEACHERS;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the
body of Christ and also in 1 CORINTHIANS 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first APOSTLES, secondarily PROPHETS,
thirdly TEACHERS, after that MIRACLES, then GIFTS OF HEALINGS, HELPS,
GOVERNMENTS, DIVERSITIES OF TONGUES

Every thing was explained in the post. It is left for you to go through it carefully chukwudi.

You did not address my question

'Tongue' was used in the bible and 'tongues' was also used.

Do you know what the difference is? SIMPLE!

shdemidemi: You did not address my question

'Tongue' was used in the bible and 'tongues' was also used.

Do you know what the difference is? SIMPLE!

I don't. What is the diff?

[quote aufthor=Bidam] I don't. What is the diff?[/quote]

'Tongue' this denotes a sound that had no phonetics to it. It could not be reduced to writings, it was just a guttural sound , and had no pronunciation. Speaking in a tongue was created by the Corinth church

1 cor 2. "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: (because only God could understand it) for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit (it's a small 's' so it's not the Holy Spirit, but in his mind and his own thinking processes) he speaketh mysteries."

When someone claims to have had a tongue experience like these corinthians who are they edifying? Themselves. It's an ego trip, nothing more.



'Tongues' speaking known languages, but which is not intrinsic to your own education.

1 cor 14:5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

He said, It would be great if you all spoke several languages but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Let's take the congregation in Corinth, and let's say that most of them were able to understand Greek. If they have probably some even in Corinth that couldn't understand Greek, all they could understand maybe was Hebrew or Aramaic. Paul says, it would be great if you could come into the congregation and be able to teach and preach in a language that they could all understand.

'Tongue' this denotes a sound that had no phonetics to it. It could not be reduced to writings, it was just a guttural sound , and had no pronunciation. Speaking in a tongue was created by the Corinth church

1 cor 2. "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: (because only God could understand it) for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit (it's a small 's' so it's not the Holy Spirit, but in his mind and his own thinking processes) he speaketh mysteries."

When someone claims to have had a tongue experience like these corinthians who are they edifying? Themselves. It's an ego trip, nothing more

This is your private interpretation and it in no way explain what Paul was telling the Corinthians.Because you don't speak in an unknown tongue doesn't mean it is not real.

'Tongues' speaking known languages, but which is not intrinsic to your own education.

1 cor 14:5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

He said, It would be great if you all spoke several languages but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Let's take the congregation in Corinth, and let's say that most of them were able to understand Greek. If they have probably some even in Corinth that couldn't understand Greek, all they could understand maybe was Hebrew or Aramaic. Paul says, it would be great if you could come into the congregation and be able to teach and preach in a language that they could all understand.

Still your private interpretations. You are explaining spiritual principles like a professor who is into academics, there is no life(Rhema) in your explanations. The bible is not a philosophical book abeg.God help you.

Very insightful

Bidam:

This is your private interpretation and it in no way explain what Paul was telling the Corinthians.Because you don't speak in an unknown tongue doesn't mean it is not real.



Still your private interpretations. You are explaining spiritual principles like a professor who is into academics, there is no life(Rhema) in your explanations. The bible is not a philosophical book abeg.God help you.

It isn't a private interpretation, far from it. Read with an open mind and not through the lens of your church and their tradition.

shdemidemi:

It isn't a private interpretation, far from it. Read with an open mind and not through the lens of your church and their tradition.

Bro.. i wasn't taught these things in church neither was i taught in a theological seminary.I read my Bible and other insightful books to broaden my understanding on the Gifts of the Spirit.Thanks.

Bidam: Bro.. i wasn't taught these things in church neither was i taught in a theological seminary.I read my Bible and other insightful books to broaden my understanding on the Gifts of the Spirit.Thanks.

If you are truly opened to learning, I see no reason for fixation on church traditions. I have made a factual statetement but you have tried to brush them aside as my own private interpretation even when the difference in the use of those words are clear in the scripture.

My dear friend, it isn't about your tradition, your ego, your pride or what you naturally feel it should be, no, not at all. It is about God and His word, it is about the only one that matters; the searchlight is not on us but on Christ.

If you agree that it isn't about you, take what I say objectively by going back to check if it is in linearity with scriptures.

shdemidemi:

If you are truly opened to learning, I see no reason for fixation on church traditions. I have made a factual statetement but you have tried to brush them aside as my own private interpretation even when the difference in the use of those words are clear in the scripture.

My dear friend, it isn't about your tradition, your ego, your pride or what you naturally feel it should be, no, not at all. It is about God and His word, it is about the only one that matters; the searchlight is not on us but on Christ.

If you agree that it isn't about you, take what I say objectively by going back to check if it is in linearity with scriptures.

Funny there are so many religious institutions like evangelicals,baptist protestants who don't believe in speaking in tongues and do hold your views.Now who is being dogmatic here . Let's others be the judge not you shdemidemi. There is a difference between accumulation of bible knowledge that you call facts and truth my brother.

Jesus says you shall know the truth and the truth that you know shall make you free.With all humility i am telling you the truth i know in Christ concerning this my conscience bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit that speaking in tongues as a result of the Holy Spirit baptism is REAL. It IS NOT COOKED UP BY ANY PENTECOSTAL TRADITION OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT.

Bidam: Funny there are so many religious institutions like evangelicals,baptist protestants who don't believe in speaking in tongues and do hold your views.Now who is being dogmatic here . Let's others be the judge not you shdemidemi. There is a difference between accumulation of bible knowledge that you call facts and truth my brother.

Jesus says you shall know the truth and the truth that you know shall make you free.With all humility i am telling you the truth i know in Christ concerning this my conscience bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit that speaking in tongues as a result of the Holy Spirit baptism is REAL. It IS NOT COOKED UP BY ANY PENTECOSTAL TRADITION OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT.

It is not enough for you to say you have the truth by your conviction, you must be able to prove it by the word of God. If your conviction contradicts with the word of God, your experiences through 'tongue' might not just be from God.

Diligently look at the chapter 14, put the 'tongue' , singular and 'tongues', plural into consideration then see what you get. You can also check the original Greek word 'glossa' to further understand what this is all about.

shdemidemi:

It is not enough for you to say you have the truth by your conviction, you must be able to prove it by the word of God. If your conviction contradicts with the word of God, your experiences through 'tongue' might not just be from God.

Diligently look at the chapter 14, put the 'tongue' , singular and 'tongues', plural into consideration then see what you get. You can also check the original Greek word 'glossa' to further understand what this is all about.

Hahahaha..@bolded reminds me of frosbel saying he quickly discarded tongues when he received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.It also reminds me of Bishop Abioye who said as a pious baptist boy that doesn't believe in the "gibberish" of the Pentecostals when he got baptized the devil told him are you sure this is from God?He said he quickly shut his mouth cos he didn't want to offend God.If he knew then what he knew now concerning God's word he wouldn't have shut his mouth.

These scriptures are my basis for believing God's word bro..


1 CORINTHIANS 14:2 (Moffatt)
2 ... For he who speaks in a 'tongue' addresses God, not man; no one understands him;
he is talking of divine secrets in the Spirit.

"He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself. . ." (1 Cor. 14:4)

First Corinthians 14:14, "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, MY SPIRIT PRAYETH, but my understanding is unfruitful."

After my lengthy explanations,did you see "tongues" in the scriptures i quoted above? I already told you Paul was talking about the unknown tongue as a devotional gift not ministry gifts or spiritual gifts.You are the one who is confused jare..Go and study more abeg.