According to what Alaafin said last month on DSTV , he said That Ife is not greater than Oyo because in 18 century, Oyo-Ile was called old Oyo empire, and it consists of many cities like osun, ondo, Ogun, kwara, sabe in Benin republic,part of Dahomey and Benin city,all these places were under aalafin that time before the disintegration of empire, Alaafin said Ife was under the empire controlled by Alaafin.
But we all know that Ife is the Origin of Yoruba,even my friend from Ife town makes it clear to me that Ooni is the number one Oba in yorubaland.
I don't know much about the history of Yoruba but I believe some Nairalandars can put more light to this.

Moderator please consider this topic to be on front page so some yoruba can gain something from our scholars .Thanks

You guys just like mischief at every corner.

Yorubas respect both thrones regardless of where the superiority lies.

Im sure no scholar worth his/her weight would consider this a good use of knowledge.

MetaPhysical: You guys just like mischief at every corner.

Yorubas respect both thrones regardless of where the superiority lies.

Im sure no scholar worth his/her weight would consider this a good use of knowledge.

Exactly. The is no such thing as superiority. Stop trying to cause confusion. We Yorubas are One. Ooni is the king priest and king Maker. Alaafin is the King of Kings of Oduduwa Land.

That argument goes way back in history. The man above me has sid it all. Both are First-Class Kings in Yorubaland... None is bigger than the other

Ooni ife is a symbolic king of yoruba culture, the spiritual head of all yorubas worldwide being a direct desendant of Oduduwa himself, but when it comes to power, that is Alaafin, Alaafin in history conquered most of yoruba land including ife and they pay him dues, i dont know how to really put this but Ooni ife is the king of all yoruba kings since they all claim to get their rights and crown from ife, they all claim to be oduduwa descendants one way or the other, while Alaafin is the biggest and the most powerful king among all yoruba kings right from history till now, cant say who is number one officially. But remember Ooni is the spiritual head of all yorubas, both kings, men and women.

Oranmiyan is a grandson of Oduduwa

Oranmiyan founded Oyo and his descendants are the royal families of Oyo and Bini. Ooni also claims to be a descendant of Oranmiyan

Oranmiyan was never the rightful heir of Ife but he
Acquired it due to the absence of other princes. .plus his military might

According to Ife, Oranmiyan returned to Ile-Ife after establishing a politically strong system and left Oyo to Ajaka, Sango and the Oyo mesi, He was the 6th king of Ife since Oduduwa.
Oranmiyan had a son(Lajamisan) who is the father of all ruling families in Ile-Ife. The spot were he died is were opa Oranyan is till date.

While there's no doubt in mainstream conversations that Alaafin Lamidi is of Oduduwa descent through Oranmiyan, there's doubt about Ooni Sijuwade
Alaafin says the chief priest who the name "Ooni" is gotten from is the ancestor of the Ife kings after Oranmiyan refused the title . but fact from Ife is that this Ooni was a member of Oduduwa's household too. ..not less a prince than others...although Oyo reject this

Oyo claims Oranmiyan was never king at Ile-Ife neither were any of his children that Oba Sijuwade doesn't know his ancestry.

So according to Oyo centric thinking, if the Alaafin is right, Ooni can never be superior to any Royal descendant of Oduduwa, but if Ooni is right it does give him superiority, with Alaafin coming second.

In Yoruba history Oyo has been the greatest nation, modern Yoruba language is from Oyo, they once ruled over most parts of Yorubaland giving protection to Ile-Ife.

Oranmiyan set the foundation for Oyo to become the political and military stronghold of Yoruba, the Oloyo (later Alaafin) collected taxes from his brother- and cousin-Kings.

But that Oyo is practically gone, because even Ibadan is ahead of both Ile-Ife and Oyo in terms of military and political relevance.

In my opinion Ooni is the head in matters of spirituality as even those Cubans and Brazilians practicing Yoruba spirituality pay homage to Ooni, and also the only one who can resolve royal conflicts as all crowns come from Ife. .. . but in other matters the Alaafin is head.

It's just a matter of stipulating duties and responsibilities but these are still the top 2 Obas in the minds of many


It's like the Pope and kaiser in medieval holy roman empire

Getting intricating needs some enlightment from the both royal fathers. And some impartial elders who are not gluttonous that can say the truth without fear of favour of any one. And if there is none to do that may be due to it being a while. Yoruba people will say "beru ba ko oke toba ko ile oni bi ta gbesi" there is a old way of doing it they should go and ask IFA but I heard that even some our awoist are corrupt.
May God help us because in this kind of matter we need God intervention to settle it pacifically.......

Ooni's position is SUPERIOR to Alaafin's position. Let truth be said always. Oduduwa himself couldn't have single-handedly rise to this position without OTUN (OTUN who is presently located at Otun Ekiti). They were all from ILE IFE and some other ancestral Yoruba men. Oduduwa lived in ILE IFE ,reigned as a spiritual leader till he passed on to the heavens as it is always said in Yoruba land,“ oba ma waja, oba kin ku".Having said this, Oduduwa had many children and wives. Oranmiyan was not the sixth Ooni in ILE IFE but the third or the forth according to oral history and verification via Opa oranmiyan obelisk .The Third if we don't count Obalufon who was on the throne when Oranmiyan returned back to ILE IFE from OyO ILE after he made Ajaka the king . According to Legend Oranmiyan was a physically strong man and spiritual too. He dethroned Obalufon (the Founder of Efon alaaye) who was his half brother and assumed the position of Ooni which you can either count him as third or fourth respectively. Let us not distort history, It is not true for anyone to say Oranmiyan didn't reign in ILE IFE. If he didn't reign in IFE, how is it that his Opa oranmiyan is located in ILE IFE around the place he was said to had died and the written sign on the obelisk which is been translated by some scholars as Hebrew word Meaning “ISREAL" .No part of Yoruba was overthrown by Oyo empire but collected his right as 10% which made Oyo swell and prosperous which I likened to Lagos State of today. Then the people of IFE migrated to OYO ILE and other Yoruba towns and kingdoms that had existed during the rise of OYO empire. It was even on record that Fagbamila, Orogun Ila or Ila Orogun came to support his younger brother, Shango when Shango fought against Nupe when OYO ILE was being built and attacked. So it is a known fact that OyO perfected peace and love among Yoruba nation which is the pride of all Yoruba grouping before the fall of the empire . During the time of OYO EMPIRE, Yoruba people were NEVER sold as slaves. That's why OYO Empire remain Unique among all Yoruba Kingdoms

macof:
The superiority of Yoruba kings lays with Oduduwa

Oranmiyan is a grandson of Oduduwa as the son of Okanbi

Oranmiyan founded Oyo and his descendants are the royal families of Oyo and Bini. Ooni also claims to be a descendant of Oranmiyan

Oranmiyan was never the rightful heir of Ife but he
Acquired it due to the absence of other princes. .plus his military might

According to Ife, Oranmiyan returned to Ile-Ife after establishing a politically strong system and left Oyo to Ajaka, Sango and the Oyo mesi, He was the 6th king of Ife since Oduduwa.
Oranmiyan had a son(Lajamisan) whose son(Lagadoogun) is the father of all ruling clans in Ile-Ife. The spot were he died is were opa Oranyan is till date.

While there's no doubt that Alaafin Lamidi is of Oduduwa descent, there's doubt about Ooni Sijuwade
Alaafin says the chief priest who the name "Ooni" is gotten from is the ancestor of the Ife kings after Oranmiyan refused the title . but fact from Ife is that this Ooni was a member of Oduduwa's household too. ..not less a prince than others...although Oyo reject this

Oyo claims Oranmiyan was never king at Ile-Ife neither were any of his children that Oba Sijuwade doesn't know his ancestry.

So if the Alaafin is right, Ooni can never be superior to any Royal descendant of Oduduwa, but if Ooni is right it does give him superiority, with Alaafin coming second.

In Yoruba history Oyo has been the greatest nation, modern Yoruba language is from Oyo, they once ruled over most parts of Yorubaland giving protection to Ile-Ife.

Oranmiyan set Oyo as the political and military stronghold of Yoruba, He collected taxes from his brothers and cousins and stored all of it in Oyo.

That Oyo is practically gone, because even Ibadan is ahead of both Ile-Ife and Oyo

In my opinion Ooni is the head in matters of spirituality as even those Cubans and Brazilians practicing Yoruba spirituality pay homage to Ooni, and also the only one who can resolve royal conflicts as all crowns come from Oduduwa. ..which the Ooni represents as heir. . but in other matters the Alaafin is head.

It's just a matter of stipulating duties and responsibilities but these are still the top 2 Obas in the minds of many


It's like the Pope and kaiser in medieval holy roman empire

Bros you have murdered Yoruba history, it is better not to say anything.

The TWO serve different purposes.ALAAFIN was an Empire builder which gave Yoruba Race the much expected CIVILIZATION, PRIDE and GLORY While OONI REMAIN The SPIRITUAL LEADER of YORUBA RACE. The crown OONI wears is the Difference (powerful crown that symbolizes UNITY amongst the Yoruba people )

how is this important?....what is needed is promoting unity among a tribe ,not finding who is superior.Who superior help?........That is why i respect Ooni response to the pressmen who asked him about the rebuttal given by Benin chiefs,he said he is not interested in discussing such issues!!!...

Olu317:
Ooni's position is SUPERIOR to Alaafin's position. Let truth be said always. Oduduwa himself couldn't have single-handedly rise to this position without OTUN (OTUN who is presently located at Otun Ekiti). They were all from ILE IFE and some other ancestral Yoruba men. Oduduwa lived in ILE IFE ,reigned as a spiritual leader till he passed on to the heavens as it is always said in Yoruba land,“ oba ma waja, oba kin ku".Having said this, Oduduwa had many children and wives. Oranmiyan was not the sixth Ooni in ILE IFE but the third or the forth according to oral history and verification via Opa oranmiyan obelisk .The Third if we don't count Obalufon who was on the throne when Oranmiyan returned back to ILE IFE from OyO ILE after he made Ajaka the king . According to Legend Oranmiyan was a physically strong man and spiritual too. He dethroned Obalufon (the Founder of Efon alaaye) who was his half brother and assumed the position of Ooni which you can either count him as third or fourth respectively. Let us not distort history, It is not true for anyone to say Oranmiyan didn't reign in ILE IFE. If he didn't reign in IFE, how is it that his Opa oranmiyan is located in ILE IFE around the place he was said to had died and the written sign on the obelisk which is been translated by some scholars as Hebrew word Meaning “ISREAL" .No part of Yoruba was overthrown by Oyo empire but collected his right as 10% which made Oyo swell and prosperous which I likened to Lagos State of today. Then the people of IFE migrated to OYO ILE and other Yoruba towns and kingdoms that had existed during the rise of OYO empire. It was even on record that Fagbamila, Orogun Ila or Ila Orogun came to support his younger brother, Shango when Shango fought against Nupe when OYO ILE was being built and attacked. So it is a known fact that OyO perfected peace and love among Yoruba nation which is the pride of all Yoruba grouping before the fall of the empire . During the time of OYO EMPIRE, Yoruba people were NEVER sold as slaves. That's why OYO Empire remain Unique among all Yoruba Kingdoms

Olu317:
Ooni's position is SUPERIOR to Alaafin's position. Let truth be said always. Oduduwa himself couldn't have single-handedly rise to this position without OTUN (OTUN who is presently located at Otun Ekiti). They were all from ILE IFE and some other ancestral Yoruba men. Oduduwa lived in ILE IFE ,reigned as a spiritual leader till he passed on to the heavens as it is always said in Yoruba land,“ oba ma waja, oba kin ku".Having said this, Oduduwa had many children and wives. Oranmiyan was not the sixth Ooni in ILE IFE but the third or the forth according to oral history and verification via Opa oranmiyan obelisk .The Third if we don't count Obalufon who was on the throne when Oranmiyan returned back to ILE IFE from OyO ILE after he made Ajaka the king . According to Legend Oranmiyan was a physically strong man and spiritual too. He dethroned Obalufon (the Founder of Efon alaaye) who was his half brother and assumed the position of Ooni which you can either count him as third or fourth respectively. Let us not distort history, It is not true for anyone to say Oranmiyan didn't reign in ILE IFE. If he didn't reign in IFE, how is it that his Opa oranmiyan is located in ILE IFE around the place he was said to had died and the written sign on the obelisk which is been translated by some scholars as Hebrew word Meaning “ISREAL" .No part of Yoruba was overthrown by Oyo empire but collected his right as 10% which made Oyo swell and prosperous which I likened to Lagos State of today. Then the people of IFE migrated to OYO ILE and other Yoruba towns and kingdoms that had existed during the rise of OYO empire. It was even on record that Fagbamila, Orogun Ila or Ila Orogun came to support his younger brother, Shango when Shango fought against Nupe when OYO ILE was being built and attacked. So it is a known fact that OyO perfected peace and love among Yoruba nation which is the pride of all Yoruba grouping before the fall of the empire . During the time of OYO EMPIRE, Yoruba people were NEVER sold as slaves. That's why OYO Empire remain Unique among all Yoruba Kingdoms

Olu317:
Ooni's position is SUPERIOR to Alaafin's position. Let truth be said always. Oduduwa himself couldn't have single-handedly rise to this position without OTUN (OTUN who is presently located at Otun Ekiti). They were all from ILE IFE and some other ancestral Yoruba men. Oduduwa lived in ILE IFE ,reigned as a spiritual leader till he passed on to the heavens as it is always said in Yoruba land,“ oba ma waja, oba kin ku".Having said this, Oduduwa had many children and wives. Oranmiyan was not the sixth Ooni in ILE IFE but the third or the forth according to oral history and verification via Opa oranmiyan obelisk .The Third if we don't count Obalufon who was on the throne when Oranmiyan returned back to ILE IFE from OyO ILE after he made Ajaka the king . According to Legend Oranmiyan was a physically strong man and spiritual too. He dethroned Obalufon (the Founder of Efon alaaye) who was his half brother and assumed the position of Ooni which you can either count him as third or fourth respectively. Let us not distort history, It is not true for anyone to say Oranmiyan didn't reign in ILE IFE. If he didn't reign in IFE, how is it that his Opa oranmiyan is located in ILE IFE around the place he was said to had died and the written sign on the obelisk which is been translated by some scholars as Hebrew word Meaning “ISREAL" .No part of Yoruba was overthrown by Oyo empire but collected his right as 10% which made Oyo swell and prosperous which I likened to Lagos State of today. Then the people of IFE migrated to OYO ILE and other Yoruba towns and kingdoms that had existed during the rise of OYO empire. It was even on record that Fagbamila, Orogun Ila or Ila Orogun came to support his younger brother, Shango when Shango fought against Nupe when OYO ILE was being built and attacked. So it is a known fact that OyO perfected peace and love among Yoruba nation which is the pride of all Yoruba grouping before the fall of the empire . During the time of OYO EMPIRE, Yoruba people were NEVER sold as slaves. That's why OYO Empire remain Unique among all Yoruba Kingdoms

The so called powerful oromiyan u hail came to benin and couldn't fight ogiemen instead he ran back to is weak people to establish Oyo

All these things are folklores and fairy tales. none of it actually happened. the so-called oraminyan existed around the 1300s and it is claimed that he is a grandson of oduduwa who created the Yoruba ethnic group. So, at the earliest, oduduwa existed around 1200 AD. Are you guys trying to tell me that the yorubas didn't exist until 1200 AD while civilizations such as Egypt, Nubia, Carthage, Rome, Assyria, Persia, etc has existed since 4000 BC?

moscobabs:
According to what Alaafin said last month on DSTV , he said That Ife is not greater than Oyo because in 18 century, Oyo-Ile was called old Oyo empire, and it consists of many cities like osun, ondo, Ogun, kwara, sabe in Benin republic,part of Dahomey and Benin city,all these places were under aalafin that time before the disintegration of empire, Alaafin said Ife was under the empire controlled by Alaafin.
But we all know that Ife is the Origin of Yoruba,even my friend from Ife town makes it clear to me that Ooni is the number one Oba in yorubaland.
I don't know much about the history of Yoruba but I believe some Nairalandars can put more light to this.

Moderator please consider this topic to be on front page so some yoruba can gain something from our scholars .Thanks

Apparently when your alafin was making up his story he didn't take any time to do some research. For your information, Dahomey and Benin republic are the same country which changed its name from Dahomey to Benin republic in the 1960's (in order to honour the ancient Benin empire).
It is amazing how the so called "yoruba chiefs" just keep making up their "history".
There was never any oyo empire.
Oyo was just a small and new kingdom being overran by the fulani before the british colonisation.
The only empire which existed in the south of nigeria was the Benin Empire. Deal with it !

This is the most stupidest comment. The fact is Oyo was built to become the new capital of yorubaland. Political and administrative sit of Yorubaland(Oyo Ile]. An empire was founded to continue to expand ýorubaland. Not all present yoruba kingdoms actually are Oduduwa's descendants. They became part of Yoruba empire after being conquered by Oyo empire, whereas Oyo imposed Oyo culture on all kingdom conquered ( Ajisebi Oyo lanri, Oyo ose bi baba enikan). That is why Yoruba language has different dialect because these people have been speaking different languages before being conquered. It's just like different ethnic group trying to speak english. The accent will be different cuz of their tongue. More than half of yoruba kingdoms are not descendant of Oduduwa, but Oduduwa's son created an empire that conquered and colonized all present yoruba kingdoms. And Alaafin owned this empire. Ile ife is a kingdom, Oyo ile is an empire. Ife was under Oyo empire protectorate just like every other kingdom under Oyo empire. Ile ife might be the origin but Oyo became a capital of a new nation which Ife became part of. Oyo ile is the reason why there is yoruba nation.

yemkarl:
This is the most stupidest comment. The fact is Oyo was built to become the new capital of yorubaland. Political and administrative sit of Yorubaland(Oyo Ile]. An empire was founded to continue to expand ýorubaland. Not all present yoruba kingdoms actually are Oduduwa's descendants. They became part of Yoruba empire after being conquered by Oyo empire, whereas Oyo imposed Oyo culture on all kingdom conquered ( Ajisebi Oyo lanri, Oyo ose bi baba enikan). That is why Yoruba language has different dialect because these people have been speaking different languages before being conquered. It's just like different ethnic group trying to speak english. The accent will be different cuz of their tongue. More than half of yoruba kingdoms are not descendant of Oduduwa, but Oduduwa's son created an empire that conquered and colonized all present yoruba kingdoms. And Alaafin owned this empire. Ile ife is a kingdom, Oyo ile is an empire. Ife was under Oyo empire protectorate just like every other kingdom under Oyo empire. Ile ife might be the origin but Oyo became a capital of a new nation which Ife became part of. Oyo ile is the reason why there is yoruba nation.

Ife was never under Oyo

They are both two useless kings..... And there was never anything called Oyo empire rather something like oyo Fulani village

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yemkarl:
This is the most stupidest comment. The fact is Oyo was built to become the new capital of yorubaland. Political and administrative sit of Yorubaland(Oyo Ile]. An empire was founded to continue to expand ýorubaland. Not all present yoruba kingdoms actually are Oduduwa's descendants. They became part of Yoruba empire after being conquered by Oyo empire, whereas Oyo imposed Oyo culture on all kingdom conquered ( Ajisebi Oyo lanri, Oyo ose bi baba enikan). That is why Yoruba language has different dialect because these people have been speaking different languages before being conquered. It's just like different ethnic group trying to speak english. The accent will be different cuz of their tongue. More than half of yoruba kingdoms are not descendant of Oduduwa, but Oduduwa's son created an empire that conquered and colonized all present yoruba kingdoms. And Alaafin owned this empire. Ile ife is a kingdom, Oyo ile is an empire. Ife was under Oyo empire protectorate just like every other kingdom under Oyo empire. Ile ife might be the origin but Oyo became a capital of a new nation which Ife became part of. Oyo ile is the reason why there is yoruba nation.

Two information of yours arent accurate as it regard ILE IFE and Dialects of people who were not Odudua descendants you claimed were conquered by his descendants and assimilated them. First of all, ILE IFE had always been seen as the power base of Odua descendants, hence it was not meant to be attacked as it was their ancestral and spiritual home. So, the place was always protected from invaders. In fact, one of the major reason for migration outside ILE IFE by Odua descendants was to be positioned in strategic location to conquer and be in a good position to defend their ancestral land. ILE IFE was not an empire and was untouchable land because of the manner it was seen and believed as a sacred land. During the period that OYO became an empire through political and military might, ILE IFE and other direct descendants linked to Odua were never attacked by OYO but form alliance to wade away invaders. Secondly,the places Yoruba language are spoken today are overtly linked to the communities that existed in ILE IFE. And this has nothing to do with people who were assimilated because Yoruba had a spontaneous population as a result of twin birth and male children. In fact, either Yoruba descendants or the conquered is still traceable if you go into different Yoruba communities and if investigation is carried out in each quarter within each Yoruba communities despite that we all have our connection through hybrid.

First, I just want to let you know that i'm not a descendant of Oduduwa but I'm yoruba. According to Yoruba mythology, Oduduwa met people in Ile Ife when he decided to settle. He brought with him a knowledge of Egyptian civilization as the people in Ife are uncivilized group. He brought law and order which by virtue made him the new leader. As it was known he came with lots of deities, he was more of a priest than a king.

Second, according to many historians, present yoruba people migrated in different groups to what is now yorubaland. They all came with different culture and languages. Examples are the Ekitis who migrated from egypt and the Ijebus from Nubia.( https://connectnigeria.com/articles/2016/07/the-origin-of-the-yoruba/ ). Oduduwa might be the first most powerful and respected, but Ife people want to still be relevant cuz the first known yoruba civilization started from there. Oyo empire is the later stage of Yoruba civilization, that brought new ways of life and new system of government which is quite similar to Roman empire. Alaafin is an emperor. That shows that Ooni is merely a king of Ile-ife people. Alaafin rules over all yorubaland. Do not confuse being first to might, Ooni is the first king know to the history but not powerful. Where in Yoruba history, that Ooni's rule dominion over any other king for that matter. Sentiment aside, let's use common sense. You can't be the greatest just by the account of being the first to exist. Which is bigger Empire or Kingdom?

Empire: a group of countries that are controlled by one ruler / government.
King: the (male) ruler of an independent state / country that has a royal family. Kingdom: a country ruled by a king (or queen)

yemkarl:
First, I just want to let you know that i'm not a descendant of Oduduwa but I'm yoruba. According to Yoruba mythology, Oduduwa met people in Ile Ife when he decided to settle. He brought with him a knowledge of Egyptian civilization as the people in Ife are uncivilized group. He brought law and order which by virtue made him the new leader. As it was known he came with lots of deities, he was more of a priest than a king.

Second, according to many historians, present yoruba people migrated in different groups to what is now yorubaland. They all came with different culture and languages. Examples are the Ekitis who migrated from egypt and the Ijebus from Nubia.( https://connectnigeria.com/articles/2016/07/the-origin-of-the-yoruba/ ). Oduduwa might be the first most powerful and respected, but Ife people want to still be relevant cuz the first known yoruba civilization started from there. Oyo empire is the later stage of Yoruba civilization, that brought new ways of life and new system of government which is quite similar to Roman empire. Alaafin is an emperor. That shows that Ooni is merely a king of Ile-ife people. Alaafin rules over all yorubaland. Do not confuse being first to might, Ooni is the first king know to the history but not powerful. Where in Yoruba history, that Ooni's rule dominion over any other king for that matter. Sentiment aside, let's use common sense. You can't be the greatest just by the account of being the first to exist. Which is bigger Empire or Kingdom?

I am uninterested in this topic but you need to read more books on Yoruba history if you want to get yourself involved in the drama.

Oyo empire covered Western parts and places in the Eastern were never under Oyo empire - these include, Ife land, Ijesa land, Ondo land & Ekiti land. It was why Oyo founded Ede town as a border town to the East, Ilesa founded Osogbo as a border town to the west; Asejire River was Ife’s border with Oyo empire.

You also need to learn that, ‘Yoruba’ as a nomencalture was used for Oyo & her dependencies that spread as far as Togo. The same way Aku, Anago & Olukumi was used to refer to the Egba, Ijesa and other subgroups by Europeans. Thus, Alaafin did not at anytime rule ‘Yoruba’ as we now know it, he ruled only a portion of it, although a large one.

Power as you’ve decribed in your post leans towards military - military power is transcuent. It is no real power in the scheme of things. Being able to influence a groups’s foreign policy; being able to influence a group’s ruler; being able create chaos within a group without raising an army is where the real power is. This is why USA is what it is today; if it relied on military power only, there are a number of other nations that can match it bullet for bullet.

Applying this logic to the discussion, Owu was the first power house in Yoruba land. In fact, the Alaafin was payinh tributes to Owu until Owu was sacked by Ife & Ijebu forces. Alaafin’s Oyo suffered nasty defeats from Nupe in its early days until 16th & 17th century when aggressive military expansionism was pursued - it collapsed in the 18th century. Ibadan followed suit - interestingly, Ibadan did what Oyo was not able to do and that is, it crowned an Ooni, crowned an Owa in Ilesa & collected tribute from as far as Ondo, Ibadan as an empire was more powerful and nastier than Oyo was. Ibadan collected ‘tribute’ from Alaafin by demanding beere be sent from Oyo; something Alaafin demanded from his tributary towns. Thereby implying Oyo/Alaafin was a tributary to Ibadan as at then. Ibadan during Ogunmola hijacked the Basorun post under the nose of Alaafin and he could not make a sound.


Using your analogy that you can not be the greatest on the account of being the first then it would mean Olubadan is much more of a powerful king than any Alaafin ever was because Ibadan was more powerful and did more exploits than Oyo ever did; Ibadan forever shattered the growing religious oriented imperialism of Ilorin which surprisingly precipitated the collapse od Oyo empire.

Think about it.

This is cool work m8

make i settle here first...

Court of law couldn't decide on this for years,so why worry yourselves?

That wasn't the argument broh , goa and check the dominated kingdoms by the Yoruba's in Benin Republic , we have onipopo of popo, sabe, and ajase that is now called port novo by the Portuguese , changing names doesn't mean anything ,ilé ibinu was as coined to be Benin by the Portuguese

Apparently when your alafin was making up his story he didn't take any time to do some research. For your information, Dahomey and Benin republic are the same country which changed its name from Dahomey to Benin republic in the 1960's (in order to honour the ancient Benin empire).
It is amazing how the so called "yoruba chiefs" just keep making up their "history".
There was never any oyo empire.
Oyo was just a small and new kingdom being overran by the fulani before the british colonisation.
The only empire which existed in the south of nigeria was the Benin Empire. Deal with it !

Raphibian:
That wasn't the argument broh , goa and check the dominated kingdoms by the Yoruba's in Benin Republic , we have onipopo of popo, sabe, and ajase that is now called port novo by the Portuguese , changing names doesn't mean anything ,ilé ibinu was as coined to be Benin by the Portuguese

That's is a lie,
Nothing similar between ile_binu and benin
Benin was given by Portuguese without any coinage

gregyboy:



The so called powerful oromiyan u hail came to benin and couldn't fight ogiemen instead he ran back to is weak people to establish Oyo

TAO11 see your friend greggyboy admitting things although with his usual bigotry all the way from 2016

From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings
Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria
on 31st March and 1st April 1937



Quoting last paragraph of first page:

“The Chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung , at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western and the oba of Benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.”

They're both powerful, the clear distinct between them are the offices they hold in ancient times. Alaafin is the political leader of the Yorubas while Ooni is the spiritual leader of the Yorubas.

moscobabs:
According to what Alaafin said last month on DSTV , he said That Ife is not greater than Oyo because in 18 century, Oyo-Ile was called old Oyo empire, and it consists of many cities like osun, ondo, Ogun, kwara, sabe in Benin republic,part of Dahomey and Benin city,all these places were under aalafin that time before the disintegration of empire, Alaafin said Ife was under the empire controlled by Alaafin.
But we all know that Ife is the Origin of Yoruba,even my friend from Ife town makes it clear to me that Ooni is the number one Oba in yorubaland. you
I don't know much about the history of Yoruba but I believe some Nairalandars can put more light to this.

Moderator please consider this topic to be on front page so some yoruba can gain something from our scholars .Thanks

Who are those trying to involve the great BINI EMPIRE into Afonja matters?
They should endeavor to center their delusion around their demented land.

moscobabs:
According to what Alaafin said last month on DSTV , he said That Ife is not greater than Oyo because in 18 century, Oyo-Ile was called old Oyo empire, and it consists of many cities like osun, ondo, Ogun, kwara, sabe in Benin republic,part of Dahomey and Benin city,all these places were under aalafin that time before the disintegration of empire, Alaafin said Ife was under the empire controlled by Alaafin.
But we all know that Ife is the Origin of Yoruba,even my friend from Ife town makes it clear to me that Ooni is the number one Oba in yorubaland.
I don't know much about the history of Yoruba but I believe some Nairalandars can put more light to this.

Moderator please consider this topic to be on front page so some yoruba can gain something from our scholars .Thanks

Bullshit from your brother.


Arrogance