Keluong:

I cant explain God's ability, what he can do and cannot or what he has done and in extension, how he made this world.

Keluong:

One thing I know for sure

Keluong:

conscious supreme being, is responsible the existence of you and I.

plaetton:
Yeah Josh. Primitive men of all ages understand this, that is why they sacrificed their children to this invisible sky daddy of yours.

We are very thankful to them, aren't we?

plaetton:
Is your best friend josh hardwired to contemplate that his sky daddy might have been flesh and blood extra-terrestrial biological entities who just awed and wowed primitive humans with space age technological wizardry?

His mind is too juvenile for such.

Enigma: Apart from hubris and their inevitable dishonesty borne of intellectual weakness and deliberate self-blindness borne of rebellion to God, it is unimaginable that any person with an iota of intelligence will raise things like the flying spaghetti monster, unicorns etc in discussion of the existence or otherwise of God - religion or no religion! To the clear thinker, a person who raises such things immediately marks himself out as an utter fool! Unfortunately, the type of evangelical atheists that constitute themselves into nuisance trolls on forums like this are too poor to see this. Anyway, even the people who do their thinking for them - the Dawkins, Dennetts, Harrises etc that they parrot robotically and copy and paste to boring length here - do the same, though for obvious somewhat "more concrete" self-serving reasons. .....

Deep Sight: ^^^ Knowing, through available evidence, and logical deduction, that God exists, does not contradict NOT knowing the full scope of God's nature. The full scope of man's nature is not even known.

You guys often give the impression of being excited to sit back and pick holes (even where the holes you pick are flawed) rather than sit together and reason together in all seriousness. Well, I forgot you said there is no need to be serious on this forum. I see things differently.

Enigma: @Joshthefirst

See this.

Joshthefirst: toh. Gaskya. Wetin man go do. Wetin man go tok when peson don harden his mind.

Thank God I'm not the first to say this. Witnesses have come and gone.

Are their minds too callous to think of the amazing amount of people and words ramming their minds and hearts with the same message?

Thank you sir. It seems Josh is not truly the first. He may very well be the last...

Joshthefirst: toh. Gaskya. Wetin man go do. Wetin man go tok when peson don harden his mind.

Thank God I'm not the first to say this. Witnesses have come and gone.

Are their minds too callous to think of the amazing amount of people and words ramming their minds and hearts with the same message?

Thank you sir. It seems Josh is not truly the first. He may very well be the last...

plaetton:

Yeah.
Power in numbers, eh?

It seems now that retards of the same lobotomy flock together.

I should suspend my brain and cast my lot with a bunch of moronic children, mentally retarded juveniles, who , funny enough , have been sold the fairy tales of mentally dysfunctional stone age people, like Moses( an epileptic), Ezekiel (mad man) , Amos (mad man), Apostle Paul (an Epileptic), Constantine( a murderous mad man), and the list goes on.

Keep your silly fairy tales to yourself and you wont ever have to worry about people like me.

plaetton:

Why can't your Santa-like god come out and speak for himself.
He needs tons of retards to speak and hate on his behalf.

Good works josh, you are earning your seat in the spaceship jesus.

I just hope Jesus hurry's up and comes quickly and vacuums all of you into the celestial dustbin.

Keluong:
To elaborate on my point;
God exists
I used to be an atheist.

But I was reading the constituents of the eye and I had to honestly tell myself that it cannot come by chance.

I have always seen the universe as existing from nothing. Even when assuming that nothing evolved to something by a force which I do not know, (if you believe in evolution). How did life come out to be? I am into engineering, so I have seen many machines and control systems and I know what is involved behind the box. The assembly of components at the right places to do a specific task. Now that is a machine. We humans are multifaceted. We are too intricate to have arrived by chance So I cant choose to believe that all these were unconsciously assembled.
I am not a christian, so I wont divulge into the reasons for anomalies of life and creation.
Everything we see around us was set into motion from day1.
I dont think evidence of God is in any religious book, it is in you- your five senses.
If you want to imagine nothiness, think of what happens to you during sleep of 8 hours(without dreams). What happens? you dont know.
I asked myself these questions which
How did nature unconsciously know that humans need eyes, that we need to see nature? then arrange elements of the eye together to produce eyes for sight at the face, and not at the anus.
How did nature know that humans needs to percieve odour from nature?
How did nature know that humans need to taste?
Nature produced male and female (I know there are intermediate anomalies).
Why did nature not produce many other kinds of sex. Why male and female? All our organs are connected to our brains. When you see an unclad opposite sex, there is feedback signal being transferred from eyes to the brain, which sends the signls to your se.x organs. Sometimes it happens unconsciously. The same with when we feel someone unclad, it all sends the same message. It has a purpose- for reproduction of creation. This cannot come by some unconscious random occurence. There is a supreme being behind all these

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Yes God is the conscious being behind all the creation.
Is it not steering at us in the face?

What am I trying to say?

Whoever that put all these into motion, is more complex and greater than I am.
I cant explain God with my understanding. Why should I? I do not demand that God prooves himself to me, my existence and my complex abilities and our multifaceted nature is enough evidence to believe know that its a product of a conscious supreme being.

plaetton:

What available evidence?

Pls Keep logical deduction aside for now, because anyone can logically deduce anything they wish.
After all, magical thinking is an advanced form of logical deduction.

If we had evidence, there would have been no arguments.
For example, I have never met non-believers of gravity because there is no doubt about it's existence.

God is an idea. Period.
Primitive minds fashioned primitive gods.
A brilliant mind such as your fashions a much more refined god.

I am sure if you and I get together and call it a task, we can even fashion a much better god than you currently have.

God is a work in progress, just like our minds,

We have come a Lllllllong way , baby.
lol

Deep Sight:

Is it not possible to know of the existence of something without understanding its full nature? .

plaetton:

I have re-read and knocked myself several time in head trying to rejig my loose screws in a futile attempt to understand this statement.

You mean that to know that something exists, we must first know it's full nature?

Full nature of what, then?
How can we know the full nature of something whose existence we don't yet know?

My head is hurting.
I think one of these religious apologists said that thinking gives headache.
I think he is right.

aManFromMars: If God is objective, it is safe to say we will all hold the same concepts of him.

aManFromMars: If God is objective, it is safe to say we will all hold the same concepts of him. No man would need to describe who or what he/she/it is. The fact that people daily feel the need to 'evangelize' this God or prove his existence only shows that God is and will remain an idea that will continue to evolve with us, as long as we do not have all the answers.

Unfortunately, when we do have all the answers, then we would be come God.

aManFromMars: If God is objective, it is safe to say we will all hold the same concepts of him. No man would need to describe who or what he/she/it is. The fact that people daily feel the need to 'evangelize' this God or prove his existence only shows that God is and will remain an idea that will continue to evolve with us, as long as we do not have all the answers.

Unfortunately, when we do have all the answers, then we would be come God.

Joshthefirst: nope. The fact that people evangelize this God shows that we must break through the god-lies and god-delusions people like surrounding themselves with and speak the reality of God to them. His largeness and life, confirmed in our words and lives.

plaetton:
I wish you would read your posts to see all the contradictions and circular reasoning.
So, in other words you admit that there are god-lies and god-delusions, but it is only yours that just happens to the true god-lie and god-delusion?
Well done, Josh, well done.

Joshthefirst: yes. Because the very objective God backs me. It rhymes with his revealed word.

How do you know which is right? By their fruits. The fruit of their lives.

plaetton:

I have re-read and knocked myself several time in head trying to rejig my loose screws in a futile attempt to understand this statement.

You mean that to know that something exists, we must first know it's full nature?

Full nature of what, then?
How can we know the full nature of something whose existence we don't yet know?

My head is hurting.
I think one of these religious apologists said that thinking gives headache.
I think he is right.

Joshthefirst: yes. Because the very objective God backs me. It rhymes with his revealed word.

How do you know which is right? By their fruits. The fruit of their lives.

Deep Sight:

Oh my lawd. You are more lost in your delirium than I thought. That is not what I said at all. I hope you read it again and feel embarrassed. I hope you then see what your obsessive desperation is doing to your brain.

You need to take a full step back, and start your life musings all over again.

Redlyn:

Unveliveable so many otherwise smart people talk and reason like this.

Deep Sight:

Oh my lawd. You are more lost in your delirium than I thought. That is not what I said at all. I hope you read it again and feel embarrassed. I hope you then see what your obsessive desperation is doing to your brain.

You need to take a full step back, and start your life musings all over again.

Deep Sight:

Is it not possible to know of
the existence of something
without understanding its full nature? .

Joshthefirst:

See how I'm laughing like a mad man in the middle of the night.

Chei.
Una no go kill peson.

Deep Sight:

CHAI!

Ignorance, illiteracy and st.upidity spoken with confidence.

You see those last two words in your post? You are the ringmaster of those.

Edit: PS:

By the way: since you still don't get it I have highlighted the words in yours above for your attention. Your disgusting logical gaffe is repeated in it: you set about explaining causes of death. Lol. That was never the question, nor was that raised. I am really shocked that that could be your come-back. Really trying to explain causes of death? You are a true and well bred clown.

Really, I thought only Logicboy was capable of this kind of thing.

The sickening bit is the delusion of enlightenment or exposure you live under. You are as dim witted and as ignorant as the laziest area boy I ever came across.

CHAI!

plaetton:

You are just an "oh yes" member in this discussion.
A yeoman, a backbencher.

So you laugh whenever we tell you to laugh.
Understand?