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Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Acidosis(m): 3:03pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
bigass:wow.. good prayer for a good Sunday Thank you aint a pharmacist btw, |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by bigass(f): 3:04pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
ogawisdom:Thats the way forward I am a doctor but i believe if well trained, a Pharmacist should be more knowledgeable in drug prescription than doctors. common these guys spend 5 yrs studying drugs 5 Likes |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by wite111(m): 3:11pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
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Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Nobody: 3:37pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
adeoladrg: Is the "ordinary pharmacist's" job ONLY to DISPENCE? The key word in all this is ADVICE, are our CONSULTANT PHARMACISTS ready ADVISE or will they enter wards and start cancelling prescription or even worst open shops and start consulting patients? |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Nobody: 3:40pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
bigass:lolz |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by sisiafrika(f): 4:29pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
ogawisdom:but wen it come to comparing salaries, u choose to forget dat right? Keep living in denial. Change as come, just face it and let it hit u hard.[url] ogawisdom:but wen it come to comparing salaries, u choose to forget dat right? Keep living in denial. Change as come, just face it and let it hit u hard.[/url] ogawisdom:but wen it come to comparing salaries, u choose to forget dat right? Keep living in denial. Change as come, just face it and let it hit u hard. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by sisiafrika(f): 4:32pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
joker5180:your ignorance is appalling. You need mental redemption. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by NaMe4: 4:57pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
adeoladrg: Therapeutic pharmacy has always been an important part of pharmaceutical practice involving pharmaceutical studies and researches within the hospital and clinical trials of various drugs, I would be quite astonished if that has never been within the Nigerian curriculum. But these are different from what I see our dear pharmacists agitating for. I believe therapeutic pharmacy is what pharmD is all about. But it has always been a part or subspecialty of pharmacy, Why make a big deal out of it? Cos Americans called theirs pharmd? Why can't we incorporate this aspect of pharmacy as a subspecialty in our pharmacy curriculum if indeed it hasn't been so in the past? It will always be a welcome development to see our pharmacists advance in their various fields/specialties of pharmacy, but interfering with doctors' management of patients as we have seen in some reports here will only create more problems in the health sector. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by adeoladrg(m): 5:05pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
joker5180: The ordinary pharmacist can also participate in ward rounds. But just like there is a wide knowledge gap btw and ordinary MD and a consultant, so is it with pharmacist. I've said it over and over. No pharmacist would go canceling prescriptions. Its not done! Yes, they do more interaction with patients at his bedside and during questioning, they discover some loopholes the patient didn't tell the doctor at diagnosis. You know how complex people are. The consultant pharmacist can also take a very wide view of the patients medication profile and history. There might be an alternative route of administration, alternative therapy, or alternative drug etc. Just write ur recommendations and move on to the next patient. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by adeoladrg(m): 5:12pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
saxywale: This is all I'm saying! I quite agree it's strange to Nigerian doctors, this is why I'm taking my time to explain. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by adeoladrg(m): 5:15pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
echarlz: Thank you! God bless you! |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by adeoladrg(m): 5:18pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
yegbamee: For the 1st time I think someone has said something meaningful and convincing. In view of your explanation above, I think having consultant pharmacist will help improve the quality of healthcare. I just wish the nurses and lab scientists could come up with their own logical reasons too. And honestly, I think the pharmacists (perhaps unknowingly) made a mistake of joining forces with nurses to form JOHESU. I mean, u guys ain't on the same level at all. We've been marginalized way too much by the doctors over the years sir, I don't want to go into that debate again. God bless you! |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by adeoladrg(m): 5:22pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
NaMe4: You see, you're correct. PharmD brings therapeutic monitoring along with it. I don't need to start all over explaining how this also benefits the patients. But sadly, Nigeria is still struggling to incorporate the program. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Leleh: 5:29pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
I'm really amazed at this ongoing war between NMA and JOHESU. I believe that every party in the health sector is relevant (even the patients!), with the doctor at the center, so why the feud? This battle for supremacy is so not called for because every health care professional knows her boundary, what she is trained to do and what she is not licensed to do. Nobody knows all, and obviously nobody can do everything. If consultancy is what JOHESU wants, she should go ahead and grab it provided it is for the good of the patient. We patients know that the doctor is the boss, the head because we obviously do not go to the hospital to see the pharmacists or the med lab scientists or nurses or cleaners . We go to see the doctors! Even the nurses, med lab scientists, pharmacists (and doctors sef!) see the doctors as well when they have health challenges. Please, let us all work together as a team and respect each other. Thank you! 1 Like |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Iwegbadu(m): 7:53pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
sisiafrika: your ignorance is appalling. You need mental redemption. Pharmacy is a place for discarded medical wanna bes. So we cannot blame them 1 Like |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by adeoladrg(m): 8:58pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
Iwegbadu: Pharmacy boasts as much requirements to study as medicine and even more as it is in IFE. Your thinking is misplaced! |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Nobody: 9:10pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
I used to think pharmacists were a bunch of well trained professionals but I ve had reasons to change that opinion since this crisis. They just keep spewing ignorance to poorly informed Nigerians. I tweeted a question to your president on channels TV and he couldn't say a word. Sincerely every doctor is tired of this struggle. Once this is all over, Nigerians will be the losers eventually. You want yo put your lives in the hands of these people who have little or no clinical training whatsoever and can't even tell you what the body does to drug and vice versa. Rubbish. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Nobody: 9:12pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
I used to think pharmacists were a bunch of well trained professionals but I ve had reasons to change that opinion since this crisis. They just keep spewing ignorance to poorly informed Nigerians. I tweeted a question to your president on channels TV and he couldn't say a word. Sincerely every doctor is tired of this struggle. Once this is all over, Nigerians will be the losers eventually. You want yo put your lives in the hands of these people who have little or no clinical training whatsoever and can't even tell you what the body does to drug and vice versa. Rubbish. People get the kind of health care they deserve. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by kinguwem: 10:18pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
It is difficult to distinguish a pharmacist from a technician in government hospitals because they do the same job: dispense drugs. I'm disappointed that our pharmacists have failed in drug production & research which is their main role. Probably they are getting less roles as salemen/representatives in pharmaceutical companies that is why they want to be consultants in hospitals. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by petrov10: 11:09pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
bigass: The really reason they all want to become consultant is because they want to become Chief MEDICAL Director of Teaching of Hospitals. That can never happenolodo it is. "the real reason". bigass: The really reason they all want to become consultant is because they want to become Chief MEDICAL Director of Teaching of Hospitals. That can never happenolodo it is. "the real reason". 1 Like |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Nobody: 11:26pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
adeoladrg: If you say that consultant pharmacists don't work in hospitals, what will you say about the consultant nurses, med lab scientists and physiotherapists? They don't work in hospitals too? Stop the propaganda pls! I mean, this doctors already rate one of the highest in the world when it comes to wrong diagnosis, wrong prescriptions and iatrogenic disorders which is better called doctor-induced disorders. Others health professionals are done with that and want to improve their practice and what do we have? A nationwide strike. Uninformed set of people! Check out the statistics given on this thread, you'll be shocked. www.nairaland.com/1809323/when-doctors-go-strike-deathJust like how we wrongly diagnosed Prof Akunyili of cancer. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by adeoladrg(m): 11:30pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
drmat02: I used to think pharmacists were a bunch of well trained professionals but I ve had reasons to change that opinion since this crisis. They just keep spewing ignorance to poorly informed Nigerians. I tweeted a question to your president on channels TV and he couldn't say a word. Sincerely every doctor is tired of this struggle. Once this is all over, Nigerians will be the losers eventually. You want yo put your lives in the hands of these people who have little or no clinical training whatsoever and can't even tell you what the body does to drug and vice versa. Rubbish. People get the kind of health care they deserve. What dirty tweet are you talking about? Is it our fault the channels presenters didn't read your tweet? Your whole post is void of logical reasoning. You accuse a profession of having no clinical training, when that same profession decides to improve the practice through residency which is enough clinical training, you go on strike. Who does that? |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Nobody: 11:33pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
sisiafrika: your ignorance is appalling. You need mental redemption.am glad the person i qouted took time to explain the way 'lay people' would understand. No need explaining anything to you; CONSULTANT PHARMACIST. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Nobody: 11:35pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
sisiafrika: your ignorance is appalling. You need mental redemption.am glad the person i qouted took time to explain to a level 'lay man ' can understand. No need to explain anything to you, CONSULTANT PHARMACIST. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Nobody: 11:48pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
I honestly find the role of CONSULTANT PHARMACIST in a hospital setting weird. A consultant pharmacist will go in to the ward to do 'round', reviewing patients by taking history and at the end may or may not RECOMMEND changes in patient's medication. At the end of the day, physicians will their own round, nurses will do thier own round, pharmacists will do their own round, medical lab scientists will do their own round, physiotherapists will do their own round, radiographers will do their own round, with ALL of them offering ADVICE to physicians on how best to manage the patient. If this is the scenario we are going to have in our hospitals then am affraid we are in for chaos. |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Iwegbadu(m): 11:59pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
adeoladrg: So tell me why you want to be even with other peoples profession knowing that it (pharmacy) is completely different and unique in its own way |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Iwegbadu(m): 12:04am On Jul 14, 2014 |
joker5180: I honestly find the role of CONSULTANT PHARMACIST in a hospital setting weird. A consultant pharmacist will go in to the ward to do 'round', reviewing patients by taking history and at the end may or may not RECOMMEND changes in patient's medication. This pharmacist are not aware of the detrimental effect on patient pyshychology. Dont forget that the physician is not only one unit, in a case like diabetes it will include the renal team, the cardiovascular team , the neurology team for complications, opthamologist for blurring of vision, the endocrinologist and several team. They have won this battle with no insight into the future its only when they become patients they will know what they have done most times a patient need rests and not ward round like a lab rat. Next they will want to fight a war to be called doctors, stupidity is a disease |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by Iwegbadu(m): 12:09am On Jul 14, 2014 |
Leleh: I'm really amazed at this ongoing war between NMA and JOHESU. I believe that every party in the health sector is relevant (even the patients!), with the doctor at the center, so why the feud? This battle for supremacy is so not called for because every health care professional knows her boundary, what she is trained to do and what she is not licensed to do. Nobody knows all, and obviously nobody can do everything. If consultancy is what JOHESU wants, she should go ahead and grab it provided it is for the good of the patient. We patients know that the doctor is the boss, the head because we obviously do not go to the hospital to see the pharmacists or the med lab scientists or nurses or cleaners . We go to see the doctors! Even the nurses, med lab scientists, pharmacists (and doctors sef!) see the doctors as well when they have health challenges. Please, let us all work together as a team and respect each other. Thank you! So far we, the general public and patients know the truth their mere title dont mean a thing they would even be suprised when patients start insisting to see identification cards proving that only doctors should touch or treat them, do this pharmacists know how to check for vital organs and translate what it means? The only point since morning has been iatrogenic, continue in this fooloshness pharmacists, i pray doctors should resume bac and fold their arms while enjoying the stupidity unfold it will be very funny cqnt wait |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by adeoladrg(m): 12:22am On Jul 14, 2014 |
Iwegbadu: Does the push for residency training for pharmacists make them even with the 'other people' in ur post? |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by adeoladrg(m): 12:28am On Jul 14, 2014 |
Iwegbadu: You probably didn't read op's post. Rather, you rushed here to air ur unneeded opinion! Who is talking about vital signs? Did anyone tell you pharmacists are overtaking doctor's roles by becoming a consultant? |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by ebiskem(m): 12:49am On Jul 14, 2014 |
bigass: I tire sef o. Ask them for me abeg. Its only in this country that people bear such untraditional titles for cheap recognition. Laughing in ijaw language |
Re: Consultant Pharmacists; The Impetus For Improved Nigerian Quality Of Health by AmyJacob: 1:28am On Jul 14, 2014 |
These arguments are really very infantile. No profession dictates to any other profession in the developed world. There is the national association of boards of pharmacy in the US that regulates the practice of the profession in 50 states and Guam and US Virgin Island. There is the American Board of Physicians, board of nursing etc. None takes orders from the other. It might interest folks to know that CMD or Medical director is not the overall boss in most hospitals in the USA. The president or CEO of most hospitals here may not even be in any of the health care professions, he or she is usually an MBA or PhD in healthcare administration. The arguments are uncalled for. Here the size of the pie is grown by running these facilities profitably though most hospitals are non profit. The big pie allows healthcare in America to be the sector with highest no of professions making 6 figures. A nurse Anaesthetist here can make as high as$180000, more than a family physician or pediatrician or some psychiatrists. I worked in a hospital where a psychiatrist friend was written-up (what we call query) by the boss who happened to be a healthcare administration graduate and was the director. Please let's enlighten each other and improve each other's intrinsic value with factual conversations. Pharmacists here don't even flaunt pharm D . Physical therapists don't flaunt their Dpt while optometrists don't flaunt their O.D. Everyone just works. You will all be so busy that you will not remember titles and ego. Professions evolve. Architecture in Nigeria used to be a diploma but it's now a masters in architecture with a D.Arch in its heels. Lawyers now get a J.D Let us not drag our country back with all these petty talk. Any nigerian pharmacist who wants to emigrate to the us must meet certain criteria. Let's keep improving so that those degrees will be useful for them. As for the title craze, no one should be called Engr or Pharm etc it's a sign of how low our society is that people even buy doctorate degrees from some dubious paper mills here and nigerians address them as "dr" 1 Like |
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