Ahuitzotl: [b]So as most SAMs can reach altitudes of up to 10km and range of 20km, there isnt any need to sight the enemy before launching.[/b]Either way,aircrafts these days are very vulnerable to guided surface fire, especially high altitude long range projectiles.I foresee the next air war to be on a juncture as to who deploys the most advanced SAM batteries....Not the most expensive Aircrafts.

Nobleval: Show us Russian versions. Always promoting US. I don't agree with the OP

Cklent: Russia no get,they don't have the brain to upgrade to this level like uncle America

50calibre: The B2 stealth bomber is the beating heart of America's ariel capabilities, that beast can penetrate air defences, be deployed to anywhere in the world within hours, and carry nuclear warheads.

Little wonder the US only brings them out when they want to flex some military muscles.

50calibre: The B2 stealth bomber is the beating heart of America's ariel capabilities, that beast can penetrate air defences, be deployed to anywhere in the world within hours, and carry nuclear warheads.

Little wonder the US only brings them out when they want to flex some military muscles.

50calibre: The B2 stealth bomber is the beating heart of America's ariel capabilities, that beast can penetrate air defences, be deployed to anywhere in the world within hours, and carry nuclear warheads.

Little wonder the US only brings them out when they want to flex some military muscles.

Lantean:

I agree to a point... that advanced missiles will be the test of military aircrafts not the price tag.

However, I believe military strategies coupled with appropriate machinery to execute operations wins a war.
'Cos those planes are expensive for some reasons - extensive research, advanced... weapons development, ECM, maneuverability, stealth, speed, lift capacity etc.
And crafts of war aren't deployed without appropriate intel to ensure efficient execution of objective(s) and survival of operators.
So yes, there're missiles up to the task but the aircraft to be deployed is a function of the strategy. And deployment isn't about the cost but how success is certain. That's why those developed countries only sell their wares to allies.

tonte: and you all don't even know what else they have in store for future military aerial combat, I just feel sorry for whoever those bad babies would be used on

Ahuitzotl: [b] Military strategies evolve with each coming conflicts at different terrain and circumstances even to this day and those that are adaptable to every offensive,not necessarily advanced or expensive weaponry no matter how appropriate,will win a war.During naval warfare in the WWII the most expensive and destructive weaponry was the Battle ships, extremely armoured with long range guns this juggernauts can strike targets beyond the horizon......Until it was proven that a single aircraft could strafe,bomb and sink a dreadnought class.Then it became a race to mass produce cheap aircraft-carriers to deploy massive number of bombers after which it became who had the most advanced Aircraft carriers and now attention has been turned to the aircrafts themselves.Discerning nations like Russia are looking at the armaments,the missiles.Even nuclear weapons are deemed vulnerable when deployed on aircraft's bays than those with SSM capabilities. Why waste resources on a missile carrier when you can conjure up a missile, much robust,evasive with bigger warheads and very mobile up to mach 3 from launcher to target....So the aircraft is a function of an obsolete strategy that will get terribly exposed and shown to be useless no matter how expensive it was made in a coming World War....[/b]

skullz: .......................................................................Please Read.
Bottom line: SAMs are pretty much effective. But you can never eliminate aircrafts. Aircrafts play different roles. Relying solely on SAMs would leave your defence forked.

RaptorX: Lol God is making them to build all these weapons to blow themselves to smitherens in the coming third world war, they are acting out a script they are not aware of, while spiritually dead negroes are cheering them on.

Wallie:

Kinda like the first few days of the Kosovo and Iraq wars? All you see is the sky being lit up by anti-aircraft weapons and you wonder what they were shooting at! You cannot hit what you cannot see unless you got lucky!

For your SAMs to work, the radar needs to work by acquiring the target. Radar works by listening for signals that they emitted. Emitting a signal identifies your exact location and gives the enemy a location to shoot at (which is why they only turn on the radar briefly and quickly switch it off). Listening for the enemy after emitting a signal also gives the enemy an opportunity to confuse or mislead you once they know the type of response you're expecting.

All the weapons you see cost millions of dollars for a reason! It is simply a game of chess as every weapon has an inherent flaw that can be exploited (if you know what the flaw is ).

Ahuitzotl: What concept of the word MOBILITY do you not understand?? If an invader tracks a radar signature for interdiction how does the invader know that particular station isnt mobile and so must have changed locations?! thus leaving itself vulnerable to a counterattack.

skullz:
Thank you sir.


B2s basically opens your defence for the likes of F-15s,16s,22s,35s to fork you up. Just look at it like a virus. A deep-striking beast.

skullz:
by MOBILITY I hope you mean DISAPPEAR

Secondly how do you shoot what you can't even track?(B2)

Ahuitzotl: Just like the advent of the wheel, the advent of mobility has given stationery military assets e.g artillery,radar stations even air-strips (air craft carriers) an edge in the fight for supremacy.So if i command a SAM battery transporter,we get decoyed into an ambush then we change location and counter.....its a lot less riskier than commanding from a stationery radar station-bunker..

Ahuitzotl: By mobility,we mean 4-wheel drive sometimes the most simplest inventions can get the hardest tasks done.Now using the aforementioned principle, heatseekers are a surefire way to hunting B-2s....except if they exhaust cold-air contrails from their afterburners...

Wallie:

True except if I'm always present in the sky above and on the ground in your midst to see your movements! Spy satellites, drones and special forces make for a deadly combination. Before actual fighting begins, special forces are already behind enemy lines doing their thing! My point is, fighting war is not as unidimensional as what most people think!

skullz:
How do you fire without a lock?

Even if you manage a lock heat seekers are easily deceived.FLAREs

Ahuitzotl: By mobility,we mean 4-wheel drive sometimes the most simplest inventions can get the hardest tasks done.Now using the aforementioned principle, heatseekers are a surefire way to hunting B-2s....except if they exhaust cold-air contrails from their afterburners...

sunnyshayne: We will get one of these with the $1billion loan.

Ceasar1: Upgrading weapons to kill thousands of Humans?
- Vanity!

Ahuitzotl: With a very good crew manning a mobile system capable of 20 mile radius and 10km altitude detection there is not a chance in hell fire any bogey can get within 10 miles how much more in our midst..
you be ghost??..Yes war isnt unidimensional that is why it is has evolved into another dimension...the age of self propelled ballistic weaponry...?

Ahuitzotl: Missiles locks are a function of radar not heat..The purpose of deploying flares against high velocity heat seeking projectiles is easily defeated when a bomber aircraft sacrifices agility,manouervability and just plain speed for stealth that is why we have bomber escorts...Or is a bomber capable of extreme g-force just to evade a missile without knocking out its pilots??

Wallie:

In theory, after B2s fire off a missile IR can be used to detect them but, again, you're not just fighting a B2! You're being attacked from all sides possible! Plus, if you attempt to lock on them with your radar, you're essentially leaving a return address for other systems to attack you. Why do you think during all the wars that the US participated in in the last 20 years, they have very few confrontations in the sky?

Russia is about the only country that can have significant kills when confronting the US in the sky! If you put your plane up there or turn on your radar, it is going to turn into a pile of ashes. Simple.

Ahuitzotl: What scenario are you talking about? we thought we was squaring off with one B-2,now you say (change the goalposts) we got multiple bogeys?! against one lonely battery?!!, that is not a feasible nor strategic or a tactical scenario..It can never happen....If it is an air raid or a bombing run then its imperative the radar stations must be knocked out but how is it possible when most are very mobile with thick camouflage?? O.k, so you manage to knock off some and drop your bombs then how do you escape with heatseekers all over the sky, else you shut your engines and crash....Yes,Russia is the best in advanced missile weaponry that is why expensive american jets will become obsolete very soon.

skullz:
Thanks for admitting radar plays an important role in acquiring targets.

The B2 is STEALTH remember, it has a radar absorbent skin......The B-2 is designed to contain its own radio signals, the electromagnetic energy generated by
onboard electronics. The plane does emit radio energy when using its radar scanner or
communicating with ground forces and other aircraft, but the radar signal is small and highly focused,
making it less susceptible to detection.

skullz:
Yes these expensive jets would become obsolete that's why you hear 3rd Gen, 4th Gen, 5th Gen.......All these jets were once expensive and ruled the skies in their days.

Wallie:

lol...you have no idea what you're talking about. Self propelled ballistics? Like cruise missiles that we fire in the hundreds from ships and submarines off-shore when we detect enemy radars?