I've already asked the question but lemme throw a bit of light into it.

When asked "Does God Exist?" and your answer is "Yes," what "God" comes to your mind?

Yahweh/Jehovah, Allah, Sugmad, Buddha, Zeus, Brahman, Olodumare, Odin, e.t.c.

State your reason.

??

Certainly not the god of Jews, Christians, and Muslims. He is cruel, temperamental, hypocritical, narcissistic, arrogant, capricious, self-righteous, jealous.....in short he has all the characteristics I don't like and none of the ones I do. He reflects the character of those who created him.

onetrack: Certainly not the god of Jews, Christians, and Muslims. He is cruel, temperamental, hypocritical, narcissistic, arrogant, capricious, self-righteous, jealous.....in short he has all the characteristics I don't like and none of the ones I do. He reflects the character of those who created him.

Well, I personally don't believe in the existence of gods but I don't do so based the kind of logic you gave above. You're right that he reflects the character of the primitive men that created him but being Cruel doesn't equal being non-existent. I'm sure you understand.

onetrack: Certainly not the god of Jews, Christians, and Muslims. He is cruel, temperamental, hypocritical, narcissistic, arrogant, capricious, self-righteous, jealous.....in short he has all the characteristics I don't like and none of the ones I do. He reflects the character of those who created him.

...he also likes the smell of burnt meat ; the reason he wants to send people to hell to burn for ever and ever.

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Well, I personally don't believe in the existence of gods but I don't do so based the kind of logic you gave above. You're right that he reflects the character of the primitive men that created him but being Cruel doesn't equal being non-existent. I'm sure you understand.[/quote

...you need to also realise that we can begin to dispel the god-fallacy by inductive reasoning , from premises such as the post you responded to layed out.
If god can create man with virtue and higher ideals ,how come his major characters are base and despicable? God must definitely be made of loftier ideals than our religions made him to be, if he exists.

Reiyvinn:

Well, I personally don't believe in the existence of gods but I don't do so based the kind of logic you gave above. You're right that he reflects the character of the primitive men that created him but being Cruel doesn't equal being non-existent. I'm sure you understand.

I'm also atheist, however if there was a creator, it certainly wouldn't be Yahweh/Allah. I don't use this to disprove the existence of all gods, just this one.

We have very many gods but only one is responsible for creation. When the question does God exist is asked, the one that comes to mind is the one attributed with creation.

God is energy

Oduduwaboy:
...he also likes the smell of burnt meat ; the reason he wants to send people to hell to burn for ever and ever.

Hmmm.... Maybe he was the first to get the Ebola Virus. Who knows

striktlymi: We have very many gods but only one is responsible for creation. When the question does God exist is asked, the one that comes to mind is the one attributed with creation.

Yahweh is said to be Creator,

Allah is said to be Creator,

Sugmad is said to be Creator,

Obatala is said to be Creator,

Brahma is said to be Creator,

e.t.c e.t.c

So nothing has changed.

WHICH ONE IS HE?

Don't forget to state your reason tho.

Reiyvinn: I've already asked the question but lemme throw a bit of light into it.

When asked "Does God Exist?" and your answer is "Yes," what "God" comes to your mind?

Yahweh/Jehovah, Allah, Sugmad, Buddha, Zeus, Brahman, Olodumare, Odin, e.t.c.

State your reason.

I am that I am. That is His name.

JesusisLord85:

I am that I am. That is His name.

I told you to state your reason, didn't I?

Reiyvinn:

I told you to state your reason, didn't I?

Which scripture is oldest? Exactly.
Does His word not always come to pass.
He knows the end from the beginning.

Shalom

JesusisLord85:

Which scripture is oldest? Exactly.
Does His word not always come to pass.
He knows the end from the beginning.

Shalom

* Which Scripture is the Oldest?

Seriously, is this an argument OMG! Someone told me Cyprian Ekwensi was the first to write about Animal Kingdom Stories. This must prove that The Book must contain the most correct information about the Talking Tortoise and the Lion King and Cyprian must be honoured as their great prophet!

** DON'T THE PROPHECIES COME TRUE

Similar prophecy are found in the Hindus' Veda which was written around the same time with the old testament (c. 1000 B.C.E - c. 500 C.E) thus, ruling out any possibility of it "being copied" from the Bible (which wasn't even in any order then).

Actually, it was and has always been a general thesis that Wars, Diseases, Famines, e.t.c would eventually worsen with time. With invention of new weaponry (Wars), increase in population and decrease in supplies which they experienced then (Famines) and the increased industrial kind of live, like it was with the then world powers: Greece, Persia, Rome, Egypt, e.t.c., making it inevitable for diseases to spread (Disease), who wouldn't have foreseen such? Aristotle, Plato and Socrates made similar predictions so?

I could also predict that 2015 is going to be a bloody year, it's based on my perspective. That is why even as there are some come-trues granted to the predictions, there are also a lot of FAILED PROPHECIES too as well in the Bible. Yes, there are a lot of Failed Prophecies that apologists' try every possible way to explain away.

Try a better approach, this one is outdated, tired and debunked.

Reiyvinn:

Well, I personally don't believe in the existence of gods but I don't do so based the kind of logic you gave above. You're right that he reflects the character of the primitive men that created him but being Cruel doesn't equal being non-existent. I'm sure you understand.

@ bolded, If there is no God, how do you think this world came about?

tonyayo1:
@ bolded, If there is no God, how do you think this world came about?

Nobody can answer that just yet. Scientists are still working on it. It's a more honest answer than saying that some imaginary god did it, one that we have never seen any proof of.

striktlymi: We have very many gods but only one is responsible for creation. When the question does God exist is asked, the one that comes to mind is the one attributed with creation.

My thought exactly

Reiyvinn:

Yahweh is said to be Creator,

Allah is said to be Creator,

Sugmad is said to be Creator,

Obatala is said to be Creator,

Brahma is said to be Creator,

e.t.c e.t.c

So nothing has changed.

WHICH ONE IS HE?

Don't forget to state your reason tho.

There's a God, but we don't know whether he's the ones we've heard about or he haven't been mention by any man before. Knowing nothing about this God is what makes him unique and appears like a God to us also, IMO.

Reiyvinn:

* Which Scripture is the Oldest?

Seriously, is this an argument OMG! Someone told me Cyprian Ekwensi was the first to write about Animal Kingdom Stories. This must prove that The Book must contain the most correct information about the Talking Tortoise and the Lion King and Cyprian must be honoured as their great prophet!

** DON'T THE PROPHECIES COME TRUE

Similar prophecy are found in the Hindus' Veda which was written around the same time with the old testament (c. 1000 B.C.E - c. 500 C.E) thus, ruling out any possibility of it "being copied" from the Bible (which wasn't even in any order then).

Actually, it was and has always been a general thesis that Wars, Diseases, Famines, e.t.c would eventually worsen with time. With invention of new weaponry (Wars), increase in population and decrease in supplies which they experienced then (Famines) and the increased industrial kind of live, like it was with the then world powers: Greece, Persia, Rome, Egypt, e.t.c., making it inevitable for diseases to spread (Disease), who wouldn't have foreseen such? Aristotle, Plato and Socrates made similar predictions so?

I could also predict that 2015 is going to be a bloody year, it's based on my perspective. That is why even as there are some come-trues granted to the predictions, there are also a lot of FAILED PROPHECIES too as well in the Bible. Yes, there are a lot of Failed Prophecies that apologists' try every possible way to explain away.

Try a better approach, this one is outdated, tired and debunked.

Give me a prophecy of the Prophet Mohammed that came to pass

onetrack:

Nobody can answer that just yet. Scientists are still working on it. It's a more honest answer than saying that some imaginary god did it, one that we have never seen any proof of.

It's not about being imaginary here e.g we know that every orphan child has a father, but we do not know who the father is, how imaginary is that? Somehow it is believed that the child's father must be a Nigerian or from Africa 'cause the kid is black, without knowing that the father is from Europe or maybe America.

JesusisLord85:

Give me a prophecy of the Prophet Mohammed that came to pass

Gosh!! Are you silly or what?!

tonyayo1:
@ bolded, If there is no God, how do you think this world came about?

onetrack has pretty much answered the question.

You replied to him a sort of analogy of "How does an Orphan know he has a Father?" that's absurd, really.

First, being born into a world where HE SEE IT HAPPENING, A RULE THAT A CHILD MUST HAVE A MOTHER AND FATHER TO EXIST. It is Scientifically proven and when he grows up, he may even see procreation with his own eyes!

With those premises settled, it is PERMISSIBLE to allow the identity of the Father a mystery. Inasmuch as he KNOWS (due to facts proven by every known logic) that he definitely was born by a Father [as he sees of other children, in animals, proven by science AND BY THE VERY EYE].

On the other hand, the existence of God fails at that premise, which makes it impossible to pass the second. There is no tangible physical, scientific and historical proof of an Actual Existing God except the trash written in these Novels (trash that men like you an i wrote). There is no Physical Phenomenon that supports his existence (as the case was with the orphan). All we have about this God is conjectures: "Since I don't know who 'created' these things, a God did it" "My Bible/Qur'an/Veda/Suktras says so, I believe." "I don't know how it began, he started it." WTF!!!!! I don't know why Tortoise shell is cracked.... He fell from heaven!

Dude, if this God you're talking about doesn't really give a damn about the Universe, fine! He could go about his business. But if this God exists and wants humans to worship him, he should stop hiding his silly ass and reveal or prove himself! Does he derive pleasure in people not knowing him?! Why no voices, angels, fire from heaven like we see in all these books?


So lemme answer your question with a question:

who created God?

^^^Mmmh... Your reply makes sense a lot, first, I'm not pointing at any of the already known Gods (religious) as the original God. The one true God still remain a mystery to man, IMO, The orphan parade is just an e.g I used in making you to understand where I'm getting at.

God is defined by my own dictionary as a supreme being, the creator and ruler of the universe. Following your write up, you want God to appear in your very before and said I'm the Lord your God, and you'll just go ahead and believe him, lol, that scientists are not able to know where he is, makes him the almighty, the fact that he doesn't has a creator makes him to be seen as a God already, if him as a God was created and lives a life as normal human being, the world will take him for granted and what would the man that created him will be called, God's dad? I don't believe in what is written in the bible as spiritual, to me it's just a mere history, I don't believe in hell, I don't believe in so many things my brethren in christ do believe in, but for the creator of this universe I believe exists.

Again, you said something about proving himself that he exists, the fact that we planted a seed and it grows, the fact that it rains, the fact that there are day and night etc is one positive prove that he exists.

Let me ask, how do you think this world came in existence?

JesusisLord85:

Which scripture is oldest? Exactly.
Does His word not always come to pass.
He knows the end from the beginning.

Shalom

Hindu texts are one of the oldest of religious scriptures....far older than the old testament.

Reiyvinn:

Yahweh is said to be Creator,

Allah is said to be Creator,

Sugmad is said to be Creator,

Obatala is said to be Creator,

Brahma is said to be Creator,

e.t.c e.t.c

So nothing has changed.

WHICH ONE IS HE?

Don't forget to state your reason tho.

Almost all of them. I know for certain that he is not Obatala. Olorun or one of his other manifestations would have been more appropriate. He is known by very many names in diverse cultures all in accordance with their perception of him.

Whether He is called, Yahweh, Olorun, Allah, 'The Unknown God' etc it matters not really because all still refers to the same reality responsible for existence.

striktlymi:

Almost all of them. I know for certain that he is not Obatala. Olorun or one of his other manifestations would have been more appropriate. He is known by very many names in diverse cultures all in accordance with their perception of him.

Whether He is called, Yahweh, Olorun, Allah, 'The Unknown God' etc it matters not really because all still refers to the same reality responsible for existence.

I don't know who gave you rights to put Yahweh in the same category as Olorun
You not even Yoruba so pls refrain from using Yoruba gods to push ur Christian propaganda.
You know absolutely nothing about Yoruba spirituality so jst shut up

striktlymi:

Almost all of them. I know for certain that he is not Obatala. Olorun or one of his other manifestations would have been more appropriate. He is known by very many names in diverse cultures all in accordance with their perception of him.

Whether He is called, Yahweh, Olorun, Allah, 'The Unknown God' etc it matters not really because all still refers to the same reality responsible for existence.

Olorun is not the same thing as Yahweh. You can pls check on Orisha Oke if you need to know about Yahweh in Yoruba spiritual concept view.

Again, Obatala did created the universe and everything there in.

tonyayo1:
@ bolded, If there is no God, how do you think this world came about?

If there is a god, then how do you think he Came About?

TheBigUrban2:


Hindu texts are one of the oldest of religious scriptures....far older than the old testament.

How would he know?
Has he even heard of them?

striktlymi:

Almost all of them. I know for certain that he is not Obatala. Olorun or one of his other manifestations would have been more appropriate. He is known by very many names in diverse cultures all in accordance with their perception of him.

Whether He is called, Yahweh, Olorun, Allah, 'The Unknown God' etc it matters not really because all still refers to the same reality responsible for existence.

The bolded is a new, strange and interesting twist of words.

Is a reality responsible for existence, or is existence responsible for a reality?

Hhmm!

plaetton:

The bolded is a new, strange and interesting twist of words.

Is a reality responsible for existence, or is existence responsible for a reality?

Hhmm!

God is our reality who is responsible for the existence of all.