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Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by macof(m): 9:58am On Aug 18, 2014
There is no such thing as Muslim Names,
or Islamic Names. Allah was promoted to
supreme being status by Muhammad Ibn
Abdullah. Allah was initially just another
deity belonging to the Quraysh clan of
Muhammad's father, whose name was
Abdullah. Muhammad's name existed as
Muhammad centuries before Islam. Bilal,
Kabir, Anas and all other names associated
with Islam predated the Islamic faith, so
they are Arab names.
The name Muhammad is no more Islamic
than bearing Dele or Niyi. If you adopt these
middel-eastern names, they don't move you
closer to some upstart Allah, they just
further demonstrate your subservience to
Arab culture and history.

There is no such thing as Islamic garb or
dress. The clothing associated with Islam
are nothing more than the clothing of the
Bedouin Culture. They wore such garments
to allow them better navigate the desert
environment where they lived. These were
nomadic peoples who traveled a harsh land
that required them covering their heads,
wearing long flowing fabrics that allowed
some cooling air to flow, protecting them
from the hot sun at the same time. But now,
we got black muslims dressing like desert
Bedouins in such clemency of the thick
forested clime of urbane Yorubaland! How
ridiculous! We now have Black women
covering their heads and faces like it's some
homage to an upstart supreme being when
it is actually nothing more than mimicking
of women who lived on top of shifting
sands, who covered their heads and faces
(leaving a slit for sight) to block out the
intense desert sun, blowing sands and dirt.

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Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by SweetyZinta(f): 10:21am On Aug 18, 2014
Bla Bla Bla!
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by macof(m): 12:21pm On Aug 18, 2014
SweetyZinta: Bla Bla Bla!
Of course intelligent words are always bla bla bla to the stupid

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Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by SweetyZinta(f): 4:06pm On Aug 18, 2014
macof:
Of course intelligent words are always bla bla bla to the stupid

what makes you think dat was an intelligent write up? How come it didn't make FP? ALLAH said when d endtime comes alot of Unknowledgeable people will spread #Falsehood just d way u're doing. May Allah guide u aright.
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by PAGAN9JA(m): 4:12pm On Aug 18, 2014
SweetyZinta:
what makes you think dat was an intelligent write up? How come it didn't make FP? ALLAH said when d endtime comes alot of Unknowledgeable people will spread #Falsehood just d way u're doing. May Allah guide u aright.

if it is falsehood, kindly correct us dear.

We are here to learn.

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Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by Ghost01(m): 6:57pm On Aug 18, 2014
I'm with you on this @OP. If you haven't already, read Anwar Sheikh's Islam: The Arab Imperialism. http://www.islam-watch.org/anwarsheikh/Islam-Arab-Imperialism.htm
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by Fulaman198(m): 7:21pm On Aug 18, 2014
macof:
There is no such thing as Muslim Names,
or Islamic Names. Allah was promoted to
supreme being status by Muhammad Ibn
Abdullah. Allah was initially just another
deity belonging to the Quraysh clan of
Muhammad's father, whose name was
Abdullah. Muhammad's name existed as
Muhammad centuries before Islam. Bilal,
Kabir, Anas and all other names associated
with Islam predated the Islamic faith, so
they are Arab, Persian, Asiatic names.
The name Muhammad is no more Islamic
than bearing Dele or Niyi. If you adopt these
middel-eastern names, they don't move you
closer to some upstart Allah, they just
further demonstrate your subservience to
Arab culture and history.

There is no such thing as Islamic garb or
dress. The clothing associated with Islam
are nothing more than the clothing of the
Bedouin Culture. They wore such garments
to allow them better navigate the desert
environment where they lived. These were
nomadic peoples who traveled a harsh land
that required them covering their heads,
wearing long flowing fabrics that allowed
some cooling air to flow, protecting them
from the hot sun at the same time. But now,
we got black muslims dressing like desert
Bedouins in such clemency of the thick
forested clime of urbane Yorubaland! How
ridiculous! We now have Black women
covering their heads and faces like it's some
homage to an upstart supreme being when
it is actually nothing more than mimicking
of women who lived on top of shifting
sands, who covered their heads and faces
(leaving a slit for sight) to block out the
intense desert sun, blowing sands and dirt.

Whilst I agree with what you are saying, I do not completely. Arabs and Persians have far different names and languages. The Persians are actually closely related to Greeks, Hindus, etc. Darius for example is a Persian name, it is not an Arab name by any means. In countries with a heavy Muslim population, you can have 'Arabised' names that are based on Arab names but not completely Arab. For example:

Shehu (which is West African and mainly used in Nigeria, Niger and Cameroon) is the same as Chiekh
Hamidu (West African), Hamidi (West African and Persian) are the same as Hamid
Mamadou, Momodu, Mahamadu, Mahamdou are all variations of Mohammed/Mohammad
Nasiru, Nassourou, etc. are all Nasir

The list goes on and on. What I am saying is that yes, the names are Arab in origin (not Persian as it is an Indo-European language by classification). Asiatic is not a proper classification bro. When you say Asiatic you can imply all sorts of things. Arabic like Hausa and like 20+ other languages in Nigeria is an Afro-Asiatic language.

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Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by Howmanage: 8:00pm On Aug 18, 2014
macof:
There is no such thing as Muslim Names,
or Islamic Names. Allah was promoted to
supreme being status by Muhammad Ibn
Abdullah. Allah was initially just another
deity belonging to the Quraysh clan of
Muhammad's father, whose name was
Abdullah.
Muhammad's name existed as
Muhammad centuries before Islam. Bilal,
Kabir, Anas and all other names associated
with Islam predated the Islamic faith, so
they are Arab, Persian, Asiatic names.
The name Muhammad is no more Islamic
than bearing Dele or Niyi. If you adopt these
middel-eastern names, they don't move you
closer to some upstart Allah, they just
further demonstrate your subservience to
Arab culture and history.

There is no such thing as Islamic garb or
dress. The clothing associated with Islam
are nothing more than the clothing of the
Bedouin Culture. They wore such garments
to allow them better navigate the desert
environment where they lived. These were
nomadic peoples who traveled a harsh land
that required them covering their heads,
wearing long flowing fabrics that allowed
some cooling air to flow, protecting them
from the hot sun at the same time. But now,
we got black muslims dressing like desert
Bedouins in such clemency of the thick
forested clime of urbane Yorubaland! How
ridiculous! We now have Black women
covering their heads and faces like it's some
homage to an upstart supreme being when
it is actually nothing more than mimicking
of women who lived on top of shifting
sands, who covered their heads and faces
(leaving a slit for sight) to block out the
intense desert sun, blowing sands and dirt.
really? Never heard this before...
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by macof(m): 11:04pm On Aug 18, 2014
Ghost01: I'm with you on this @OP. If you haven't already, read Anwar Sheikh's Islam: The Arab Imperialism. http://www.islam-watch.org/anwarsheikh/Islam-Arab-Imperialism.htm

Looks like a Great piece..I would read it when am free.
Thank you

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Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by macof(m): 11:07pm On Aug 18, 2014
SweetyZinta:
what makes you think dat was an intelligent write up? How come it didn't make FP? ALLAH said when d endtime comes alot of Unknowledgeable people will spread #Falsehood just d way u're doing. May Allah guide u aright.

Madam this isn't about Allah but Arab culture passing off as "Allah's commandment"
If you worship zeus, odin, Obatala or Allah I don't care for the purpose of this thread.

this is culture section, so am sticking to culture
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by macof(m): 11:10pm On Aug 18, 2014
Howmanage: really? Never heard this before...

Heard it for the first time from an ex-Muslim..well he was a Muslim then
Now he is pagan/atheist
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by Howmanage: 12:04pm On Aug 19, 2014
And is this common knowledge amongst muslims? For example, some Catholic practices originated in Paganism and the catholic church freely admits it though they say they now honour Jesus with the practices...eg christmas. Are muslim teachers aware of this deity which is now called Allah?
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by macof(m): 4:24pm On Aug 19, 2014
Howmanage: And is this common knowledge amongst muslims? For example, some Catholic practices originated in Paganism and the catholic church freely admits it though they say they now honour Jesus with the practices...eg christmas. Are muslim teachers aware of this deity which is now called Allah?

am nt sure as I've not discussed this with any other Muslim except for some on Nairaland and Facebook which they just twist the whole thing without giving answers
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by Nobody: 7:05pm On Aug 19, 2014
Truetalk!
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by lepasharon(f): 11:07pm On Aug 19, 2014
SweetyZinta:
what makes you think dat was an intelligent write up? How come it didn't make FP? ALLAH said when d endtime comes alot of Unknowledgeable people will spread #Falsehood just d way u're doing. May Allah guide u aright.

Firstly what does Allah even mean ?
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by macof(m): 1:45pm On Aug 20, 2014
Fulaman198:

Whilst I agree with what you are saying, I do not completely. Arabs and Persians have far different names and languages. The Persians are actually closely related to Greeks, Hindus, etc. Darius for example is a Persian name, it is not an Arab name by any means. In countries with a heavy Muslim population, you can have 'Arabised' names that are based on Arab names but not completely Arab. For example:

Shehu (which is West African and mainly used in Nigeria, Niger and Cameroon) is the same as Chiekh
Hamidu (West African), Hamidi (West African and Persian) are the same as Hamid
Mamadou, Momodu, Mahamadu, Mahamdou are all variations of Mohammed/Mohammad
Nasiru, Nassourou, etc. are all Nasir

The list goes on and on. What I am saying is that yes, the names are Arab in origin (not Persian as it is an Indo-European language by classification). Asiatic is not a proper classification bro. When you say Asiatic you can imply all sorts of things. Arabic like Hausa and like 20+ other languages in Nigeria is an Afro-Asiatic language.
Yh you right but I assume you get the main point of the Op
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by PAPAAFRICA: 7:46am On Aug 21, 2014
Howmanage: really? Never heard this before...
from wikipedia

"The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia"
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by Howmanage: 1:50pm On Aug 21, 2014
I am not sure staunch Nigerian muslims know this.... Would it be seen as islamic blasphemy to inform a muslim about this?
Re: Islam Is Arab Tribalism/nationalism by ghostofsparta(m): 10:55am On Aug 26, 2014
SweetyZinta:
what makes you think dat was an intelligent write up? How come it didn't make FP? ALLAH said when d endtime comes alot of Unknowledgeable people will spread #Falsehood just d way u're doing. May Allah guide u aright.
O! My dear SweetyZinta, how so you are this brainwashed? "Allah said" indeed, who really saw him speak? By the way, are you an Arab? or a Jew?

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