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Re: Infants Baptism Is Not Supported In The Bible. Take Note. by Ukutsgp(m): 9:38am On Nov 15, 2014 |
vest:i know u dnt have any clue about it. abeg bye. u people always does what is unscriptural. following traditions u dnt know anything about. |
Re: Infants Baptism Is Not Supported In The Bible. Take Note. by btoks: 1:17pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Ukutsgp:Please do some research into christian history and because you don't see how something happened doesn't mean it didn't happen. You could also try to explain what Paul meant in Col 2:11▶. |
Re: Infants Baptism Is Not Supported In The Bible. Take Note. by btoks: 1:35pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Ukutsgp:are u aware that the Lutherans(1st sola scriptura adherents) and other protestant denominations believe babies do have original sin. do you see how it's impossible to justify sola scriptura when you all believe different things. |
Re: Infants Baptism Is Not Supported In The Bible. Take Note. by Ukutsgp(m): 2:36pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
btoks:i know u want to switch to tradition now. one thing the catholic likes doing. let me make it clearer with niv version. starting from verse 10 down to 12. and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead . - NIV, Col 2:10-12 I know u will want to claim that the words ''having been'' places the baptism at equal time with the circumcision, thereby proving that one answers to the other but it is not. i am convinced that no one would have ever seen such thing in this text had they been reading it through unsoiled glasses. your argument is manifestly erroneous at several points: 1) Even if the circumcision and baptism in this text were contemporaneous, this would not prove they are the same. If baptism replaced circumcision, then why are they both still of force in this text? 2) An examination of the full context shows that the timing of the circumcision and baptism are relative to the words, And ye are complete in him . That is, they were circumcised and baptized as of the time they were complete in him, but they were not circumcised and baptized at the same time. 3) The NIV weakens the argument for infant baptism when it says, ... raised with him through your faith in the power of God, because one cannot prove that an infant has faith in God. an infants cannot reason who Christ is. 4) The practice of sprinkling the infant is clearly condemned by this scripture because it speaks of being buried with Him in baptism, thereby demanding immersion. 5) If baptism replaced circumcision, then why baptize women? 6) The circumcision of this text is made without hands , yet a baptism involves human hands to the same extent as a fleshly circumcision. The circumcision here clearly represents regeneration or the new birth. It is a circumcision of the heart and is performed by the Spirit (Rom 2:29). 7) This circumcision puts off the body of the sins of the flesh. pls try another thing, since this cannot work. pls u have not answered my questions. 1. how can u sprinkle water on a baby and call it baptism? 2. do u baptised those who have not heard the gospel and believe? 3. can a baby have faith in God? 4. why do u baptise someone who has not known how to commit sin . |
Re: Infants Baptism Is Not Supported In The Bible. Take Note. by Ukutsgp(m): 2:40pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
btoks:me i dnt believe. u can tell me why u believed it. babies have no original sin. prove it here and let ask u questions. |
Re: Infants Baptism Is Not Supported In The Bible. Take Note. by Ukutsgp(m): 2:50pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
It is true that boy babies were circumcised in Israel when eight days old (Gen. 17:12). But baptism and circumcision are two entirely different matters. Circumcision was for boys and men only, while baptism is for both sexes alike. Circumcision was for every boy or man of Hebrew blood, while baptism is only for saved people. Circumcision and baptism mean entirely different things. Circumcision meant that this child was an Israelite, one of the chosen race by natural birth. Baptism means that the one baptized is born again and one of God's children by a birth from Heaven. One has no right to be baptized until he is born as God's child. The Bible does not mention nor talked about baptism of babies. it is just one of those catholic traditions which have no bearing with the scriptures. man made traditions. |
Re: Infants Baptism Is Not Supported In The Bible. Take Note. by Ukutsgp(m): 6:26am On Nov 16, 2014 |
u hv nt answered my questions. |
Re: Infants Baptism Is Not Supported In The Bible. Take Note. by Burmak: 10:09am On Nov 16, 2014 |
Baptism serves to prevent sin from having dominion over us,and there are 2 kinds of sins original & actual.original sin is the one we inherited from our first father adam and everyone by reason of being born of a woman is guilty of this read rom 5:19,ps 51:5.so to remove this sin comes in water baptism and so the church baptises infant to remove that original sin as soon as possible. Now it is when you have attained the age of reason when you can be said to commit actual sin that holy spirit baptism is needed to strengthen you.in john 3:5 jesus say you can't enter heaven without being born of water to remove original sin & spirit to take care of the actual sin.so we baptise infants with water(and not with spirit) because the earlier the better.shalom |
Re: Infants Baptism Is Not Supported In The Bible. Take Note. by Ukutsgp(m): 3:20pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Burmak:u cant baptise an infant because an infant doesn't believe. the capacity to believe the gospel is not there. infants have no original sin. even if they have, the blood of Jesus covers them. but they did not have sin. an infants who dies will go to heaven because he or she has not committed sin. children cannot inherit the sins of their father. it is the soul that sin that shall die. not another who did not. baptism doesn't wash away sin. it is only the blood of Jesus. i will give u more details later. |
Re: Infants Baptism Is Not Supported In The Bible. Take Note. by Ukutsgp(m): 3:32pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
the bible is abundantly clear of what baptism is, who it is for, and what it accomplishes. In the Bible, only believers who had placed their faith in Christ were baptized - as a public testimony of their faith and identification with Him ( Acts 2:38 ; Romans 6:3-4 ). Water baptism by immersion is a step of obedience after faith in Christ. It is a proclamation of faith in Christ, a statement of submission to Him, and an identification with His death, burial, and resurrection. With this in view, infant baptism is not a Biblical practice. An infant cannot place his or her faith in Christ. An infant cannot make a conscious decision to obey Christ. An infant cannot understand what water baptism symbolizes. The Bible does not record any infants being baptized. Infant baptism is the origin of the sprinkling and pouring methods of baptism - as it is unwise and unsafe to immerse an infant under water. Even the method of infant baptism fails to agree with the Bible. How does pouring or sprinkling illustrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ? Many Christians who practice infant baptism do so because they understand infant baptism as the new covenant equivalent of circumcision. In this view, just as circumcision joined a Hebrew to the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants, so baptism joined a person to the New Covenant of salvation through Jesus Christ. This view is unbiblical. The New Testament nowhere describes baptism as the New Covenant replacement for Old Covenant circumcision. The New Testament nowhere describes baptism as a sign of the New Covenant. It is faith in Jesus Christ that enables a person to enjoy the blessings of the New Covenant ( 1 Corinthians 11:25 ; 2 Corinthians 3:6 ; Hebrews 9:15 ). Baptism does not save a person. It does not matter if you were baptized by immersion, pouring, or sprinkling - if you have not first trusted in Christ for salvation, baptism (no matter the method) is meaningless and useless. Water baptism by immersion is a step of obedience to be done after salvation as a public profession of faith in Christ and identification with Him. Infant baptism does not fit the Biblical definition of baptism or the Biblical method of baptism. If Christian parents wish to dedicate their child to Christ, then a baby dedication service is entirely appropriate. However, even if infants are dedicated to the Lord, when they grow up they will still have to make a personal decision to believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved. courtesy: gotquestions.org |
Re: Infants Baptism Is Not Supported In The Bible. Take Note. by Ukutsgp(m): 12:18pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
Where did they baptised infants in the bible? Show me. |
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