There are many verses of the quran that paint the pictures that the Christians are allah's enemies and one of them is:

And the Jews say:
Ezra is the son of Allah, and the
Christians say: The Messiah is the
son of Allah. That is their saying
with their mouths. They imitate
the saying of those who
disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself)
fighteth against them. How
perverse are they (Quran 9:30). Who were those who disbelieved of old who called Jesus the Son of God?

Muslims' major problem with the Christians is the person of Jesus. While the Christians esteem him as the Son of God or even God, the muslims say he is an ordinary prophet. It is for this reason allah commanded muslims to fight (kill) the Christians.

JESUS CALLED HIMSELF THE SON OF GOD:

John 10:36
Say ye of him, whom
the Father hath
sanctified, and sent
into the world, Thou
blasphemest; because I
said, I am the Son of
God?

GOD SAID JESUS IS HIS SON

Matthew 3:16-17
And Jesus, when he
was baptized, went up
straightway out of the
water: and, lo, the
heavens were opened
unto him, and he saw
the Spirit of God
descending like a dove,
and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from
heaven, saying, ''This is
my beloved Son, in
whom I am well
pleased''.

The above verses are records according to Jesus disciples, whom the quran confirms that they bear true witnesses:

Quran3:
52. But when Jesus
became conscious of their
disbelief, he cried: Who will be my
helpers in the cause of Allah? The
disciples said: We will be Allah's
helpers. We believe in Allah, and
bear thou witness that we have
surrendered (unto Him)
53. Our Lord! We
believe in that which Thou hast
revealed and we follow him whom
Thou hast sent. Enrol us among
those who WITNESS (to the TRUTH.

The fact that allah hates the followers of Jesus is a pointer to the truth that Jesus is not from him as Allah contradicted the teachings of Jesus in every sense of the word.

Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven:
For in the
resurrection they
neither marry, nor are
given in marriage, but
are as the angels of
God in heaven (Mat. 22:30). But allah said ''Reclining on
ranged couches. And we wed them
unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes'' (Quran 52:20). Jesus would not come and tell us something different if he is from allah.

Again, Jesus said ''But I say, anyone who even
looks at a woman with lust
has already committed
adultery with her in his
heart (Mat. 5:28). But allah has a different idea:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
I did not see anything so
resembling minor sins as
what Abu Huraira said
from the Prophet, who
said, ALLAH HAS WRITTEN FOR THE SON OF ADAM HIS INEVITABLE SHARE OF ADULTERY WHETHER HE IS AWARE OF IT OR NOT" : The
adultery of the eye is the
looking (at something
which is sinful to look
at) , and the adultery of the
tongue is to utter (what it
is unlawful to utter), and
the innerself wishes and
longs for (adultery) and
the private parts turn
that into reality or refrain
from submitting to the
temptation." (Sahih Al-
Bukhari, Volume 8, Book
77, Number 609)

Now, as allah had already written the share of adultery a man must commit, it shows he is the AUTHOR of sin. This sharply contradicts Jesus teachings, indicating they are not the same Being.

It is therefore no surprise allah commanding the killing of the Christians because he is not their God. But what God is allah who encourages mankind to commit sexual sins that leads man to hell? The same allah enjoined Muhammad to take the only one wife of his adopted son despite having many wives (Quran 33:37-38). He also permits exchange of old wife for a new one - where did the Holy God allow this before Muhammad?: But if ye decide to
take one wife in place of
another, even if ye had given the
latter a whole treasure for
dower, Take not the least bit of
it back: Would ye take it by
slander and manifest wrong? (Quran 4:20). How could a just God permit a man to make use of a woman and dump her later by exchanging her?

No doubt, with what allah has established for his faithfuls, he would not want them to co-exist with the holy people of the true God (the true Christians), hence the command to kill them as in:

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who
believe not in Allah nor the Last
Day, nor hold that forbidden
which hath been forbidden by
Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of
Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they pay
the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued."

booked

Allah is the god of the "belly" and flesh. Trying to put man in some self-centered, self righteous hypocritical position of being able to attain salvation through works of the flesh!
Works (religious activities bordering on paganism) can never save man as depicted even in the jewish laws which were just a cover till the coming of the Messiah; Jesus.
Salvation is only in one name Jesus given as a free gift to mankind through God's benevolence and attained by those truthful enough to themselves to believe!

How can jesus come from that blood sucking demon called allah?

kay1one2:
Allah is the god of the "belly" and flesh. Trying to put man in some self-centered, self righteous hypocritical position of being able to attain salvation through works of the flesh!
Works (religious activities bordering on paganism) can never save man as depicted even in the jewish laws which were just a cover till the coming of the Messiah; Jesus.
Salvation is only in one name Jesus given as a free gift to mankind through God's benevolence and attained by those truthful enough to themselves to believe!

Neither is there
salvation in any other:
for there is none other
name under heaven
given among men,
whereby we must be
saved (Acts 4:12)

asadike:
How can jesus come from that blood sucking demon called allah?

I think Allah is God...in their own terms...like how olorun(yoruba) is God..

asadike:
How can jesus come from that blood sucking demon called allah?

I wonder o!

Asuokaa:


I think Allah is God...in their own terms...like how olorun(yoruba) is God..

There are two allahs in Arabia. The true God Arabian Christians' call Allah, who is believed to be the Father of Jesus. Then Muhammad's allah who is an Arabian idol worshiped in Muhammad's family. The Arabs call whatever they worship allah:

They assign unto
Allah, of the crops and cattle
which He created, a portion, and
they say: "This is Allah's" - in their
make-believe - "and this is for
(His) partners in regard to us."
Thus that which (they assign) unto
His partners in them reacheth not
Allah and that which (they assign)
unto Allah goeth to their (so-
called) partners. Evil is their ordinance.

So it is clear from the above that the Arabs call anything they worship allah. Muhammad only elevated the idol of his fathers and made people believe is the true God but his words and deed show that he is a spirit whose intention is to pitch mankind against the true God by introducing sexual sins and others.

so if we were to transport ourselves [make a theater stage of events and we are the audience; visualize, people.] to the time the time of Jesus [AS], which is correct, the bible narratives that clearly neither Jesus was speaking nor his disciples but other persons, since at the event of baptism, how many people were there but John and Jesus? if Jesus didn't report this, obviously he didn't and John didn't report it, obviously he didn't, who did but somebody going back while was not there, but fabricated a tantalizing story?

how is the way of John be what Jesus will submit to, considering what the christians have said of Jesus? if John purified with baptism, Jesus must have been purified when he got baptized. or is there any possibility to explain this away without Jesus being not purified until baptism? can son of man [John son of Zacharias] make pure son of God, except that you people falsely call Jesus son of God?

lets look at the sentence structure that started the thread by the op, claiming that God called Jesus His son. if you think it through without religious bias because you think your forefathers can be wrong you will see that God was not the Speaker, but somebody else wishing that Jesus is more than the generic foolish title the jews give themselves [children of God]. well, your forefathers had no knowledge which was why they were wrong then. you are wrong now because of the same arrogance they had [you are not utilizing the knowledge you are getting here].


no wonder Jesus disclaimed that he was just the same as the children of Israel say of themselves. Jesus disclaimed to help you because he knew by revelation that you will have a wrong belief of him and his mission in relation to God, the single message of God to prophets before and the one he gave the good news of his coming after him.

your attitude to guidance is similar to that of those people who hate the true faith; be it in the time of Noah, etc, etc, Moses as Pharaoh did, others, including Goliath. you may not be different from those who rejected Jesus [AS] in his time, except that you don't know it. if you know it, this is worse because you will be a hypocrite.


if you think the rules that will apply in paradise is what applies now on earth, think again. you are thinking like a baby in the womb thinking that his umbilical cord will be what his nutrient will come to him when he is alive out of momma's womb. the rules change and they are not the same in paradise as on earth.

truthman2012:


There are two allahs in Arabia. The true God Arabian Christians' call Allah, who is believed to be the Father of Jesus. Then Muhammad's allah who is an Arabian idol worshiped in Muhammad's family. The Arabs call whatever they worship allah:

They assign unto
Allah, of the crops and cattle
which He created, a portion, and
they say: "This is Allah's" - in their
make-believe - "and this is for
(His) partners in regard to us."
Thus that which (they assign) unto
His partners in them reacheth not
Allah and that which (they assign)
unto Allah goeth to their (so-
called) partners. Evil is their ordinance.

So it is clear from the above that the Arabs call anything they worship allah. Muhammad only elevated the idol of his fathers and made people believe is the true God but his words and deed show that he is a spirit whose intention is to pitch mankind against the true God by introducing sexual sins and others.

Thanks for the insight...
Just learnt that...

asadike:
How can jesus come from that blood sucking demon called allah?

Anger malice strife bitterness is not healthy for a good christian life....

Trying to avoid me won't change my perspective...I still see u as a friend like wen we meet each oder...

Avoiding all in the name of trying to keep me at bay who help at all...

Your still my friend weder u like it or not...

RoyPCain:
so if we were to transport ourselves [make a theater stage of events and we are the audience; visualize, people.] to the time the time of Jesus [AS], which is correct, the bible narratives that clearly neither Jesus was speaking nor his disciples but other persons, since at the event of baptism, how many people were there but John and Jesus? if Jesus didn't report this, obviously he didn't and John didn't report it, obviously he didn't, who did but somebody going back while was not there, but fabricated a tantalizing story?

how is the way of John be what Jesus will submit to, considering what the christians have said of Jesus? if John purified with baptism, Jesus must have been purified when he got baptized. or is there any possibility to explain this away without Jesus being not purified until baptism? can son of man [John son of Zacharias] make pure son of God, except that you people falsely call Jesus son of God?

lets look at the sentence structure that started the thread by the op, claiming that God called Jesus His son. if you think it through without religious bias because you think your forefathers can be wrong you will see that God was not the Speaker, but somebody else wishing that Jesus is more than the generic foolish title the jews give themselves [children of God]. well, your forefathers had no knowledge which was why they were wrong then. you are wrong now because of the same arrogance they had [you are not utilizing the knowledge you are getting here].


no wonder Jesus disclaimed that he was just the same as the children of Israel say of themselves. Jesus disclaimed to help you because he knew by revelation that you will have a wrong belief of him and his mission in relation to God, the single message of God to prophets before and the one he gave the good news of his coming after him.

your attitude to guidance is similar to that of those people who hate the true faith; be it in the time of Noah, etc, etc, Moses as Pharaoh did, others, including Goliath. you may not be different from those who rejected Jesus [AS] in his time, except that you don't know it. if you know it, this is worse because you will be a hypocrite.


if you think the rules that will apply in paradise is what applies now on earth, think again. you are thinking like a baby in the womb thinking that his umbilical cord will be what his nutrient will come to him when he is alive out of momma's womb. the rules change and they are not the same in paradise as on earth.

Is allah holy?

Why did he permit Muhammad and all muslims by extension to commit all sorts of sexual immoralities? It is in islam you have a god who enjoined his prophet to marry the wife of his adopted son, who calls him father. What a god. Such a thing could only come from satan, not the Holy God.

The same allah is the god who permits muslims to dump their wives at old age and exchange them for new ones. Allah is not fear to women.

The same allah permits muslims to marry temporary wife to sleep with after paying her money (Quran 4:24). This is pure prostitution.

The same allah said men must of necessity commit adultery. What moral justification does he then have to command stoning adulterers?

The same allah said muslims will be wedded to 72 virgins each in heaven as if all they do there is entertaining allah with sexual activities.

The same allah gave Muhammad the empower to sleep with 40 women at a time. Why na?

The same allah permitted muslims to be sleeping with slave women who are not married to them after permitting as many as four wives. This allah must be sex-driven.

My friend, why does your allah have so much interest in human immoralities? I tell you the truth, Allah is not the owner of holy heaven.

Repent and be delivered from the deceiver.

RoyPCain:
so if we were to transport ourselves [make a theater stage of events and we are the audience; visualize, people.] to the time the time of Jesus [AS], which is correct, the bible narratives that clearly neither Jesus was speaking nor his disciples but other persons, since at the event of baptism, how many people were there but John and Jesus? if Jesus didn't report this, obviously he didn't and John didn't report it, obviously he didn't, who did but somebody going back while was not there, but fabricated a tantalizing story?

how is the way of John be what Jesus will submit to, considering what the christians have said of Jesus? if John purified with baptism, Jesus must have been purified when he got baptized. or is there any possibility to explain this away without Jesus being not purified until baptism? can son of man [John son of Zacharias] make pure son of God, except that you people falsely call Jesus son of God?

lets look at the sentence structure that started the thread by the op, claiming that God called Jesus His son. if you think it through without religious bias because you think your forefathers can be wrong you will see that God was not the Speaker, but somebody else wishing that Jesus is more than the generic foolish title the jews give themselves [children of God]. well, your forefathers had no knowledge which was why they were wrong then. you are wrong now because of the same arrogance they had [you are not utilizing the knowledge you are getting here].


no wonder Jesus disclaimed that he was just the same as the children of Israel say of themselves. Jesus disclaimed to help you because he knew by revelation that you will have a wrong belief of him and his mission in relation to God, the single message of God to prophets before and the one he gave the good news of his coming after him.

your attitude to guidance is similar to that of those people who hate the true faith; be it in the time of Noah, etc, etc, Moses as Pharaoh did, others, including Goliath. you may not be different from those who rejected Jesus [AS] in his time, except that you don't know it. if you know it, this is worse because you will be a hypocrite.


if you think the rules that will apply in paradise is what applies now on earth, think again. you are thinking like a baby in the womb thinking that his umbilical cord will be what his nutrient will come to him when he is alive out of momma's womb. the rules change and they are not the same in paradise as on earth.

calling myself a child of God is a foolishness? Allah condemned the faith of christians and the Jews in the quranic verse the op qoute but still ask the muslims to confirmed there book for guidance, which kind of confusion is this?

truthman2012:


Is allah holy?

Why did he permit Muhammad and all muslims by extension to commit all sorts of sexual immoralities? It is in islam you have a god who enjoined his prophet to marry the wife of his adopted son, who calls him father. What a god. Such a thing could only come from satan, not the Holy God.

The same allah is the god who permits muslims to dump their wives at old age and exchange them for new ones. Allah is not fear to women.

The same allah permits muslims to marry temporary wife to sleep with after paying her money (Quran 4:24). This is pure prostitution.

The same allah said men must of necessity commit adultery. What moral justification does he then have to command stoning adulterers?

The same allah said muslims will be wedded to 72 virgins each in heaven as if all they do there is entertaining allah with sexual activities.

The same allah gave Muhammad the empower to sleep with 40 women at a time. Why na?

The same allah permitted muslims to be sleeping with slave women who are not married to them after permitting as many as four wives. This allah must be sex-driven.

My friend, why does your allah have so much interest in human immoralities? I tell you the truth, Allah is not the owner of holy heaven.

Repent and be delivered from the deceiver.

He(SAW) married his adopted son former wife and so what,can you point out the immorality there.the rest of what you emitted is pure nonsense.

tartar9:
He(SAW) married his adopted son former wife and so what,can you point out the immorality there.the rest of what you emitted is pure nonsense.

May God deliver you from islamic deception. All of allah's injuctions pitch mankind against the true God and eventually take them to hell.

Zaid was ordered to divorce his wife, Zanab for Muhammad to marry her because as at time allah told Muhammad to take her, Zaid was yet to divorce her (according to Quran 33:35-37). If not so, tell me why Zaid divorced his wife showing your source.

malvisguy212:
calling myself a child of God is a foolishness? Allah condemned the faith of christians and the Jews in the quranic verse the op qoute but still ask the muslims to confirmed there book for guidance, which kind of confusion is this?

Real confusions in the quran. See how the quran confirms the bible:

The Scriptures Are and Were Authentic Even At Muhammad's Time

How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43). Even at Muhammad's time till today the Torah was valid for judgment, but only the people turned away from it according to Allah.

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that
which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47). The Gospel was also valid for judgment at Muhammad's time and till date. Not following the Gospel makes people evil-doers.

Say: "O People of the Book! (i.e the Jews and the Christians) Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye standfast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelations that has come to you from your Lord (Quran 5:71). How could Allah say Jew and Christian should stand fast by the Law and Gospel if they have been corrupted?

But because allah's goal is to create confusion to mankind, he still deny his own words by saying the Christians' Scripture is corrupt after he has approved it. The Devil is a liar.

@malvisguy212; one thing for sure is that God you are claiming is your father is not your mother's husband. no one of you, including anyone you call child of God along with yourself was God ever in relationship with his mother that can possibly be termed husband and wife. common sense; use it and i know its not that common when one is deluded with fairytale idea of self. your spirituality in relationship is obedient created servant if your way is that of Abraham. if not you are still a created servant, but just not obedient.
a son that is punishes like a slave will be punish if they commit the same offense, that is not a true son. and that is your case. and the case of Jesus is the same as that of Abraham and the rest of messengers and prophets. from my islamic respect to each; AS to each of them.

as your op question which you repeated, those who truly followed Moses in his time, were not jews by religion, but followed Moses in the religion of Abraham. and Abraham was not a jew because even the grandchild of Abraham, Jacob and or all the 12 sons of Jacob were not jews. so how can the religion or ethnicity of Abraham be 'jew' and how can Jacob and the believing sons of Jacob have a different religion but what Abraham had? i want you think about it now because glossing over matter because of your religious emotion will not work here.

the same process applied to those true followers of Jesus in the time of Jesus. this is why Jesus was even referring to the nearer person laws and process, not forgetting the prophets which will definitely included Abraham. you people start by identifying God as God of Abraham before you mention other two prophets and stop as if God was not God of Noah, even Adam or God of David whose poetry/songs that use to protect yourself and never in your entire life use the gospel according to any of the 4 writers to protect yourself.

if therefore these believers were not jews or christians, but later people call them so, you will realixe that these new titles were after the fact. on the day of Judgment or any of those were to be alive now and you call them jews or christians, when they realize you are talking about them, they will not be shy to correct you that this is a wrong title for them.

you at least know that christians were title used by the pagans to describe christ-like religion. was the religion christ-like or the true 'way'? i submit therefore islam is called the 'true way' as well to mean all true way practiced at times past before Muhammad [SA] were versions based on rulings, etc and pattern, but same as the core Message; God is One and no partner with Him and Only He is truly worshiped.

so when the jews formulate judaism on the principles of their rabbis, away from what Moses told them, christians formulate christianity on the principles of their sages and monks, specifically apostle paul, away from what Jesus left of Moses, you can see with clear but not deficient mind that 'jews and christians' from the time they deviated are not really and truly following who they say they are following. it is the deviance of 'jews' that brought about all the prophets and definitely Jesus to them so that they could be guided back to guidance 'the true way'. but of course they refused to follow him. you are in the same boat with the 'jews' in this manner becaue you rejected Jesus and the Good New Personality Jesus heralded his [SA] coming.

@ truthman2012:

Is Allah holy?

Why did he permit Muhammad and all muslims by extension to commit all sorts of sexual immoralities? It is in islam you have a god who enjoined his prophet to marry the wife of his adopted son, who calls him father. What a god. Such a thing could only come from satan, not the Holy God.

The same Allah is the god who permits muslims to dump their wives at old age and exchange them for new ones. Allah is not fear to women.

The same Allah permits muslims to marry temporary wife to sleep with after paying her money (Quran 4:24). This is pure prostitution.

The same Allah said men must of necessity commit adultery. What moral justification does he then have to command stoning adulterers?

The same Allah said muslims will be wedded to 72 virgins each in heaven as if all they do there is entertaining Allah with sexual activities.

The same Allah gave Muhammad the empower to sleep with 40 women at a time. Why na?

The same Allah permitted muslims to be sleeping with slave women who are not married to them after permitting as many as four wives. This Allah must be sex-driven.

My friend, why does your Allah have so much interest in human immoralities? I tell you the truth, Allah is not the owner of holy heaven.

Repent and be delivered from the deceiver.

i can seriously say that most non muslims in my age group are after every skirt and whats in it. i can comfortably tell you that it is Islam of Muhammad [SA] that has prevented me. your president, mr goodluck has a baby mama. no? i come from his generation, and i don't have that and its not because there are no willing party. you can see the goodness of Islam here. an adoption is artificial. blood lineage is what defines true family and people want to be sure and the paternity test is common because papa could be a maybe until certified. bobby christiana the daughter of wheatney houston and bobby brown demonstrated this by choosing as a lover a boy that could not have been treated less than wheatney's son. the young people knew that they didn't have blood tied. they are even smarter than you, in spite of them using the good thinking to do evil of fornication. imagine a scenario where your adopted son and your son slept with a female member of your family; say your wife or if you want your daughter or sister. which one of the two boys has done something of truly forbidden as in incest, in breeding; your biological son or your adopted son who is germanic blood [lol]?



no where in the Quran is a 72 virgins. if you know it in the Quran, show it to me. you are just talking to an empty gallery. only a demented soul will listen to you because he/she believes what has not evidence, written or truly uttered. cursed is satan. do you curse your friend as i have cursed satan here or its your enemy you curse like that? how do you curse satan if you curse him and compare it to what i just said about the evil satan, here? which of the two curses do you think is more potent?

we in islam do not practice temporary marriage and 4/24 does not mean it, otherwise what do you think stop any muslim male from doing it, especially since you are accusing us of 'over womanizing'? the americans say exchange her for two twenties, to mean about their wives that are at least 40 years old. and you will claim that america is a christian country. no? in this case, the masters in christendom are dehumanizing even their wives and nothing sells in the west except the woman is in tiny weeny bikinis. you wonder if the woman is for sale or comes with the product. you people are something else. unfortunately, we muslims are following you footstep by footstep. i pray that we turn around from 'doing follow follow'. amin.

Muhammad [SA] didn't marry 40 wives, so your lie here is busted. having strength of 40 men was a description of him [SA] by people [RA]. this is similar to Moses underestimating his own strength against the egyptian because he mere pushed him away resulting in his death. or do you think Moses intentionally killed him? i will want to know your view here. King Solomon had 700 wives and topped that with another 300 to make 1,000 women. now do you think he is as weak as you or he must have at least double your strength, even 40 times? how many times do you think he would need to get to each in a year and still be able to be a just ruler of stubborn people for as long as he ruled? by the way, he got queen sheeba pregnant in addition to the 1,000 because the ethiopians will tell you that their royalty is from this relationship. your problem is that you in ignorance erroneously point a finger at me, when there is no need because i am not wrong, yet you forgot that at least 2 are pointing back at you and the 1 pointing somewhere else may actually be directing you to the crime you committed but dont wanna own up to it.

commandment od stoning adultery therefore is an evidence againist your accusation that Islam permits adultery, except what you call adultery is not so for the mind of decent people who are not slaves to human laws. i remember a woman realizing that i am a product of polygamy because of her christianity calling me what i do not belong to. i asked her how her mother was married? i said thats how my father married my mother; her father gave her to my father by agreeing to the marriage. my grandmother [ra] was there, so were many from both families and well wishers and dowry was paid and feast was had after it. my mother was not a pregnant woman before it. my sister was born over a year after the marriage and me later. my father couldn't have been involved in side chick relationship, meeting woman in alley ways or hotels. no sir. real men involve themselves in real marriages and will not go outside of it. societies where women are at least 4 times the men, it is injustice to say 3 of the women have no right to marry, but just only 1 because you brought in an artificial concept that God did not institute because Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon didnt practice it and God did not rebuke any of them for having more than 1 wife! let your 3 sister remain a lifelong spinster and you will hear their curses on you wherever you are. some women are wealthy enough to care for themselves. some don't mind being co-wife. there are men that are wealthy enough to handle responsibilities that you shy away from. some men want more than 1 wife as you may want more than 1 garment. the beauty of women is not always you see 1 you see them all.



genevieve nnaji is not my taste, but she could be yours. so imagine she is your slave that you see 24/7. imagine that and see how quickly you will tell her to sit next to you in bed. if she is not able to do anything for a year or 2 and she is looking always pretty to you and you have her cds playing everyday, who will stop you from getting to her; you? [you make me laugh]. as much as she is not my style, i will not let not know what it means to be a woman. if she is halal in my house, she is halal for sure. i know your hypocrite soul will plead 5th amendment.


immorality? what is moral except that you point to what encourage you to do? when God encouraged the children of israel to take the virgins for themselves, do you think it will not be immoral if they didnt, but kill them all, instead? do you think Moses would have been moral if he didn't kill those of the towns God said he should wage wars against and kill them all? what if he didn't war against them and kill them as God commanded? would he be moral or immoral? can anyone have better morality than God, the Master of all that are sincerely Moral?

deceiver? Planner is the right word. you are the deceiver, the plotter of evil.

@truthman2012(m): 9:58am

malvisguy212:
calling myself a child of God is a foolishness? Allah condemned the faith of christians and the Jews in the quranic verse the op qoute but still ask the muslims to confirmed there book for guidance, which kind of confusion is this?


Real confusions in the quran. See how the quran confirms the bible:

The Scriptures Are and Were Authentic Even At Muhammad's Time

How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43). Even at Muhammad's time till today the Torah was valid for judgment, but only the people turned away from it according to Allah.

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that
which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47). The Gospel was also valid for judgment at Muhammad's time and till date. Not following the Gospel makes people evil-doers.

Say: "O People of the Book! (i.e the Jews and the Christians) Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye standfast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelations that has come to you from your Lord (Quran 5:71). How could Allah say Jew and Christian should stand fast by the Law and Gospel if they have been corrupted?

But because Allah's goal is to create confusion to mankind, he still deny his own words by saying the Christians' Scripture is corrupt after he has approved it. The Devil is a liar.

Did Noah call him self child of God? the people saved with him, did they call themselves children of God? How about Abraham, did he say he is child of God? how about Isaac or Jacob or Joseph, which one of them said he is child of God or are you better to God than them? remember that to you that you say God is God of thee people; Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and if you don't call them children of God, is God not your God like He is of each of them or you have the son-ship to make you better than each of them or all of them put together?




there is no place where the bible is mentioned in the Quran. so how is it possible that it will certify as uncorrupted what it does not mention? here is your trick at play, as usual. Gospel is not Bible. even some of you when it fits your deception you say from Genesis to Revelation is Bible. other times when you want to practice another type of deception you say from Gospel to revelation is the Bible. there is no single time you say only Gospel is Bible. you don't even have the Gospel of Jesus as a written book, but what you have is Gospel written by 4 narrators with each carrying the title 'Gospel according to each of these; [John, Mark, Matthew, Luke] to make 4 separate narratives where some agree and some disagree with each group and one another! if you don't even know for sure what is Bible, since you have many systems of what it is according to your whims, Quran that is affirming final truth by correcting false stand allegations can't be praising the bible.




below is what the Quran means; as to the Torah, the laws that are absolute are common. but worshiping other than God only is not one of them. this means that the rabbis proposed the 'talking' to the wall as worship, which the Quran disagree with because no prophet was sent by God to institute walking to a wall! do you understand because i see you to be hard? saying that the jews can judge by what they are given about illegal sexual acts, theft etc is not condoning talking to a wall as worship when prophet used to ritualistically worship to include through cleaning, standing, prostrating of face, bowing in each of these some specific things from the torah are said. Judge by what is in the Torah and it does not include pray by what is in the Torah. torah will not give you the accurate 'prayer' not the supplication, but prescribed ritualistic prayer.



we can see that Jesus prayed by standing which one must do before bowing or prostrating. and we read that Jesus prostrated. you have to bow before or coming up. no? i know the people fell asleep, yet they were able in their slumber to see the drops of sweat that were like blood, dropping off in the midnight darkness! so when Quran says judge by what God revealed therein, we do know that it didn't say pray the ritualistic prayers by it and what Quran referred to was not Gospel of John or that of Mark or that of Matthew or that of Luke or acts of apostle or epistles or revelation, etc. what Quran means is Gospel given to Jesus which he preached; you have to get that one. when you can't find it, what is essential of it are in the Quran. you just have to get yourself a Quran and look under Jesus and you will be amazed. his Good news is the heralding of his successor in prophetic office, sayiddina maulana habibUllah Muhammad AlMustapha, Alajami Muhammad [SA], the beloved of God, His Angels, believers and the man you must come to on the Day of Judgment to Beg God to begin Judgment because the trial of waiting is unbearable. just don't die outside islam becaue you will be with your people and me with my people of idayah, inshaAllah. i want the best for you and don't be haughty in emptiness and reject the Message that will keep you away from the consuming flame.

RoyPCain:
@truthman2012(m): 9:58am

Did Noah call him self child of God? the people saved with him, did they call themselves children of God? How about Abraham, did he say he is child of God? how about Isaac or Jacob or Joseph, which one of them said he is child of God or are you better to God than them? remember that to you that you say God is God of thee people; Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and if you don't call them children of God, is God not your God like He is of each of them or you have the son-ship to make you better than each of them or all of them put together?




there is no place where the bible is mentioned in the Quran. so how is it possible that it will certify as uncorrupted what it does not mention? here is your trick at play, as usual. Gospel is not Bible. even some of you when it fits your deception you say from Genesis to Revelation is Bible. other times when you want to practice another type of deception you say from Gospel to revelation is the Bible. there is no single time you say only Gospel is Bible. you don't even have the Gospel of Jesus as a written book, but what you have is Gospel written by 4 narrators with each carrying the title 'Gospel according to each of these; [John, Mark, Matthew, Luke] to make 4 separate narratives where some agree and some disagree with each group and one another! if you don't even know for sure what is Bible, since you have many systems of what it is according to your whims, Quran that is affirming final truth by correcting false stand allegations can't be praising the bible.




below is what the Quran means; as to the Torah, the laws that are absolute are common. but worshiping other than God only is not one of them. this means that the rabbis proposed the 'talking' to the wall as worship, which the Quran disagree with because no prophet was sent by God to institute walking to a wall! do you understand because i see you to be hard? saying that the jews can judge by what they are given about illegal sexual acts, theft etc is not condoning talking to a wall as worship when prophet used to ritualistically worship to include through cleaning, standing, prostrating of face, bowing in each of these some specific things from the torah are said. Judge by what is in the Torah and it does not include pray by what is in the Torah. torah will not give you the accurate 'prayer' not the supplication, but prescribed ritualistic prayer.



we can see that Jesus prayed by standing which one must do before bowing or prostrating. and we read that Jesus prostrated. you have to bow before or coming up. no? i know the people fell asleep, yet they were able in their slumber to see the drops of sweat that were like blood, dropping off in the midnight darkness! so when Quran says judge by what God revealed therein, we do know that it didn't say pray the ritualistic prayers by it and what Quran referred to was not Gospel of John or that of Mark or that of Matthew or that of Luke or acts of apostle or epistles or revelation, etc. what Quran means is Gospel given to Jesus which he preached; you have to get that one. when you can't find it, what is essential of it are in the Quran. you just have to get yourself a Quran and look under Jesus and you will be amazed. his Good news is the heralding of his successor in prophetic office, sayiddina maulana habibUllah Muhammad AlMustapha, Alajami Muhammad [SA], the beloved of God, His Angels, believers and the man you must come to on the Day of Judgment to Beg God to begin Judgment because the trial of waiting is unbearable. just don't die outside islam becaue you will be with your people and me with my people of idayah, inshaAllah. i want the best for you and don't be haughty in emptiness and reject the Message that will keep you away from the consuming flame.

Your story too dey long and off point! Islam is simply a religion filled with hate and thats what you guys practice so much it has spewed into world wide terror campaigns! Religion is practiced. Its what is practiced and defended with books that matters!

tartar9:
He(SAW) married his adopted son former wife and so what,can you point out the immorality there.the rest of what you emitted is pure nonsense.

Bet your father sleeps with your girlfriend. Its islam. Any crap is possible!

kay1one2:


Bet your father sleeps with your girlfriend. Its islam. Any crap is possible!

Yes.

RoyPCain:
@malvisguy212; one thing for sure is that God you are claiming is your father is not your mother's husband. no one of you, including anyone you call child of God along with yourself was God ever in relationship with his mother that can possibly be termed husband and wife. common sense; use it and i know its not that common when one is deluded with fairytale idea of self. your spirituality in relationship is obedient created servant if your way is that of Abraham. if not you are still a created servant, but just not obedient.
a son that is punishes like a slave will be punish if they commit the same offense, that is not a true son. and that is your case. and the case of Jesus is the same as that of Abraham and the rest of messengers and prophets. from my islamic respect to each; AS to each of them.

as your op question which you repeated, those who truly followed Moses in his time, were not jews by religion, but followed Moses in the religion of Abraham. and Abraham was not a jew because even the grandchild of Abraham, Jacob and or all the 12 sons of Jacob were not jews. so how can the religion or ethnicity of Abraham be 'jew' and how can Jacob and the believing sons of Jacob have a different religion but what Abraham had? i want you think about it now because glossing over matter because of your religious emotion will not work here.

the same process applied to those true followers of Jesus in the time of Jesus. this is why Jesus was even referring to the nearer person laws and process, not forgetting the prophets which will definitely included Abraham. you people start by identifying God as God of Abraham before you mention other two prophets and stop as if God was not God of Noah, even Adam or God of David whose poetry/songs that use to protect yourself and never in your entire life use the gospel according to any of the 4 writers to protect yourself.

if therefore these believers were not jews or christians, but later people call them so, you will realixe that these new titles were after the fact. on the day of Judgment or any of those were to be alive now and you call them jews or christians, when they realize you are talking about them, they will not be shy to correct you that this is a wrong title for them.

you at least know that christians were title used by the pagans to describe christ-like religion. was the religion christ-like or the true 'way'? i submit therefore islam is called the 'true way' as well to mean all true way practiced at times past before Muhammad [SA] were versions based on rulings, etc and pattern, but same as the core Message; God is One and no partner with Him and Only He is truly worshiped.

so when the jews formulate judaism on the principles of their rabbis, away from what Moses told them, christians formulate christianity on the principles of their sages and monks, specifically apostle paul, away from what Jesus left of Moses, you can see with clear but not deficient mind that 'jews and christians' from the time they deviated are not really and truly following who they say they are following. it is the deviance of 'jews' that brought about all the prophets and definitely Jesus to them so that they could be guided back to guidance 'the true way'. but of course they refused to follow him. you are in the same boat with the 'jews' in this manner becaue you rejected Jesus and the Good New Personality Jesus heralded his [SA] coming.

is this why muslims don't encounter God? So God is not your father? When Jesus teach his disciples how to pray, He say "OUR FATHER",
The first words of this model prayer tell us a great deal about relationships.
First, notice that Jesus starts out with the word our, not the word my. The reason is that God is not only the father of the person praying, but of others also. In this context, the our includes the “horizontal” relationship with other people who are children of God. Today, since we can “Get right with God through Jesus,” the word our includes all Christians.


A good example of personal relationship is how God spoke lip-to-ear and walked the Earth with His prophets.
He went to visit Abraham and set down
for lunch with him. He even told Abraham, face to face, the business He
was about to accomplish.
It is written that Enoch walked with God

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truthman2012:


Real confusions in the quran. See how the quran confirms the bible:

The Scriptures Are and Were Authentic Even At Muhammad's Time

How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43). Even at Muhammad's time till today the Torah was valid for judgment, but only the people turned away from it according to Allah.

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that
which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47). The Gospel was also valid for judgment at Muhammad's time and till date. Not following the Gospel makes people evil-doers.

Say: "O People of the Book! (i.e the Jews and the Christians) Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye standfast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelations that has come to you from your Lord (Quran 5:71). How could Allah say Jew and Christian should stand fast by the Law and Gospel if they have been corrupted?

But because allah's goal is to create confusion to mankind, he still deny his own words by saying the Christians' Scripture is corrupt after he has approved it. The Devil is a liar.

God say my word will never change from everlasting to everlasting, but in the quran we see Allah doing the opposites,the devil is a Liar.

RoyPCain:
@ truthman2012:


i can seriously say that most non muslims in my age group are after every skirt and whats in it. i can comfortably tell you that it is Islam of Muhammad [SA] that has prevented me. your president, mr goodluck has a baby mama. no? i come from his generation, and i don't have that and its not because there are no willing party. you can see the goodness of Islam here. an adoption is artificial. blood lineage is what defines true family and people want to be sure and the paternity test is common because papa could be a maybe until certified. bobby christiana the daughter of wheatney houston and bobby brown demonstrated this by choosing as a lover a boy that could not have been treated less than wheatney's son. the young people knew that they didn't have blood tied. they are even smarter than you, in spite of them using the good thinking to do evil of fornication. imagine a scenario where your adopted son and your son slept with a female member of your family; say your wife or if you want your daughter or sister. which one of the two boys has done something of truly forbidden as in incest, in breeding; your biological son or your adopted son who is germanic blood [lol]?



no where in the Quran is a 72 virgins. if you know it in the Quran, show it to me. you are just talking to an empty gallery. only a demented soul will listen to you because he/she believes what has not evidence, written or truly uttered. cursed is satan. do you curse your friend as i have cursed satan here or its your enemy you curse like that? how do you curse satan if you curse him and compare it to what i just said about the evil satan, here? which of the two curses do you think is more potent?

we in islam do not practice temporary marriage and 4/24 does not mean it, otherwise what do you think stop any muslim male from doing it, especially since you are accusing us of 'over womanizing'? the americans say exchange her for two twenties, to mean about their wives that are at least 40 years old. and you will claim that america is a christian country. no? in this case, the masters in christendom are dehumanizing even their wives and nothing sells in the west except the woman is in tiny weeny bikinis. you wonder if the woman is for sale or comes with the product. you people are something else. unfortunately, we muslims are following you footstep by footstep. i pray that we turn around from 'doing follow follow'. amin.

Muhammad [SA] didn't marry 40 wives, so your lie here is busted. having strength of 40 men was a description of him [SA] by people [RA]. this is similar to Moses underestimating his own strength against the egyptian because he mere pushed him away resulting in his death. or do you think Moses intentionally killed him? i will want to know your view here. King Solomon had 700 wives and topped that with another 300 to make 1,000 women. now do you think he is as weak as you or he must have at least double your strength, even 40 times? how many times do you think he would need to get to each in a year and still be able to be a just ruler of stubborn people for as long as he ruled? by the way, he got queen sheeba pregnant in addition to the 1,000 because the ethiopians will tell you that their royalty is from this relationship. your problem is that you in ignorance erroneously point a finger at me, when there is no need because i am not wrong, yet you forgot that at least 2 are pointing back at you and the 1 pointing somewhere else may actually be directing you to the crime you committed but dont wanna own up to it.

commandment od stoning adultery therefore is an evidence againist your accusation that Islam permits adultery, except what you call adultery is not so for the mind of decent people who are not slaves to human laws. i remember a woman realizing that i am a product of polygamy because of her christianity calling me what i do not belong to. i asked her how her mother was married? i said thats how my father married my mother; her father gave her to my father by agreeing to the marriage. my grandmother [ra] was there, so were many from both families and well wishers and dowry was paid and feast was had after it. my mother was not a pregnant woman before it. my sister was born over a year after the marriage and me later. my father couldn't have been involved in side chick relationship, meeting woman in alley ways or hotels. no sir. real men involve themselves in real marriages and will not go outside of it. societies where women are at least 4 times the men, it is injustice to say 3 of the women have no right to marry, but just only 1 because you brought in an artificial concept that God did not institute because Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon didnt practice it and God did not rebuke any of them for having more than 1 wife! let your 3 sister remain a lifelong spinster and you will hear their curses on you wherever you are. some women are wealthy enough to care for themselves. some don't mind being co-wife. there are men that are wealthy enough to handle responsibilities that you shy away from. some men want more than 1 wife as you may want more than 1 garment. the beauty of women is not always you see 1 you see them all.



genevieve nnaji is not my taste, but she could be yours. so imagine she is your slave that you see 24/7. imagine that and see how quickly you will tell her to sit next to you in bed. if she is not able to do anything for a year or 2 and she is looking always pretty to you and you have her cds playing everyday, who will stop you from getting to her; you? [you make me laugh]. as much as she is not my style, i will not let not know what it means to be a woman. if she is halal in my house, she is halal for sure. i know your hypocrite soul will plead 5th amendment.


immorality? what is moral except that you point to what encourage you to do? when God encouraged the children of israel to take the virgins for themselves, do you think it will not be immoral if they didnt, but kill them all, instead? do you think Moses would have been moral if he didn't kill those of the towns God said he should wage wars against and kill them all? what if he didn't war against them and kill them as God commanded? would he be moral or immoral? can anyone have better morality than God, the Master of all that are sincerely Moral?

deceiver? Planner is the right word. you are the deceiver, the plotter of evil.

Is this a strategy of defence or what? You talk to much without making any point. Quote my post paragraph by paragraph and give your response.