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Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by absoluteSuccess: 3:15pm On Apr 07, 2015 |
Bigfrancis, the burden is yours if my interpretation make sense or not, you don't understand Yoruba and I don't have 'the delution of need' to prove anything to be sensible to you beyond reasonable doubt, thats always your fort. I have given you my view, take me to the world court. It is my pleasure that Yoruba migrants were 12% in Benin. All I know is, by the word legba, the song ceased to be Igbo, it may be worksong popular in the plantation that has blend into 'Igbo nation Dance' (song repertoir) from slave of Yoruba/Dahome axis. I believe it is not a golden track, it is just a song that caught Op's fancy. Pazienza, don't be emotional, it is your peoples' song. We will soon have igbo dot in letters. I am waiting for that day. |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by cooljude(m): 12:54am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Why must you guys drag everything. Everybody should bring his interpretation so that the op can decipher which one makes more sense and finally their should be some data to show the regions the slaves that were sent there came from. 1 Like |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by bigfrancis21: 1:32am On Apr 09, 2015 |
absoluteSuccess: 'Oya come lets go' ceases to be English just because of one word, 'oya', or just as 'go take your siesta' ceases to be English because of the Spanish word, 'siesta'. Ok then! Goodluck in your delusion! And finally sister, don't be afraid to quote me directly! 1 Like |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by bigfrancis21: 1:41am On Apr 09, 2015 |
cooljude: Interpretations from both languages have been offered, one sounds plausible the other sounds ludicrous, making absolutely no sense whatsoever, and not even attributed to the region he yearns it to be earnestly attributed to. Now he sits in his bedroom and wishes to rewrite history purely out of selfish desires! And The games ladies play! |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by pinkycute(f): 3:36am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Well, We all come from a particular culture. And our culture shapes who we are and how we are. It is our history, our ethnicity, our music, how we think, who we include, the food we eat, with whom we eat, the expressions we know, how and when we speak, the way we think and make judgments, and how we relate to each other and strangers. Sometimes our journey to unknown takes us to the edge of our understanding or to the outer boundaries of our comfort zone as we encounter different people or different cultures. You might be right with your opinion tho, but what baffles me about your opinion, is how you manage to remixes the "Song" and turn it to "Yoruba" the song is nothing related to Yoruba", as I can see.... The traditional dresses, wore by the women on that pic above.... Is similar to Igbo "traditional wears" I'll simply go with Ezeagu and Bigfrancis21, they've analysis the song, with enough historical backup.... We shouldn't be too surprise, the Op, might be wrong with some spellings tho, "So am not quoting you wrong" @Absolutesuccess, we are all here to learn!!..... absoluteSuccess: 1 Like |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by absoluteSuccess: 10:34am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Beautiful piece @pinkyCute. My sincere observation is that the song is not the most important theme song of Igbo National Dance, maybe its just a piece of song among a thousand, derived from the slave trade era. It may be the term 'Legba' that the op knew he could find explanation to, that made him crop it out from plethora of songs on Igbo Dance Songs list. And just like devotional songs or work songs or 'speaking in tongues', people may not discriminate on a song's origin, as long as it fit in to the mood. But if hearer from another language groug hear a word he's familiar with in a song, that he likes, he tune the few words around the main words to his own words. The hook of the line is legba, it may have filtered in through Obea and Santeria intersection, and I know 'Nigeria tribalism' did not exist during slave trade as it does now. Albeit, the song and the people are Igbo-descent as we have seen, but the word 'legba' is 'Yoruboid'. Thanks. |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Nobody: 12:02pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
absoluteSuccess: I think everybody already agreed (even before you made a comment here) that Legba was a non-Igbo deity. The Fon and the Yoruba had the greatest influence on Afro-Caribbean and Afro-American religions, and thus, deities from these two ethnicities were known and worshipped widely by slaves of non-Yoruba, non-Fon descent. The word 'Legba' alone, therefore, cannot be of much use in establishing what language that song is in, or what ethnic group created and used the song. 3 Likes |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by absoluteSuccess: 12:39pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
Radoillo:That's possible, my claim does not abrogate the Igbo meaning or essence of the song. I don't understand Igbo to start with, so I cannot fault the Igbo interpretation. My perspective is, chances are that that short piece may be from Santeria if we don't downplay the anchor, 'legba'. We all are attempting a reconstruction of a song that even the presenter don't understand. The best is to assume, until one can prove what is not known weather it has been proved by your conclussion on it or not. |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by absoluteSuccess: 1:21pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
Are you 'ojuju' that I should be afraid to quote directly? Better stop making yourself 'fearful', old prexios fears no one. I don't run through the gauntlet with anyone anymore, let intelligence do the work, not cleverness. Your antics becloud your perception of everyone Yoruba or anything Yoruba. I am not struggling to make, fabricate or steal your people or anything like that from the Island of caracou, but anytime you look, that's what you see, its an emotional thing, you cannot think out of your tribalism, so no matter what I say, your nature will blur the insight. Now that you have 'womanised' me? that's your sick game ascending a crescent. bigfrancis21: Allow divergent view of opinion and healthy dialogue on public forum, stop playing mental games, focus on topic not your biases, babyman. 3 Likes |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by bigfrancis21: 2:54am On Apr 11, 2015 |
absoluteSuccess: babymama finally grew some balls to quote me! Let me see how you put your new-found balls into use. |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by absoluteSuccess: 7:38am On Apr 11, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:Go and vote online joor, babypikin, a.k.a. badfrancis42. After voting Jimi Agbaje, you know where to go. I will give life jacket to whom I will give life jacket to. |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Carriacou1985(f): 9:39pm On Jun 25, 2015 |
Sorry for a very late response. Everytime I tried to post any reply to this thread it was unsuccessful. I'm pleased to see how many more inputs have been added to this thread and I thank each and evey one of you for your input in my trying to discover more about my mothers culture. Thank you Phut for uploading the video, I tried but I'm not great with technology. Now those who are interested in this topic can understand directly the meaning of the words through the song and rhythm. In my research I was able to find out that after the abolishment of skavery Yorubas were brought over to Grenada as indentured workers, they brought with them rich culture which the slaves held on to as they had lost their own African identity. I can see the Yoruba influence in our religion which we call spiritual, which I have learned comes from the Yoruba religion. So thank you all for if input to this topic, it's very much appreciated by me. 9 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Carriacou1985(f): 9:58pm On Jun 25, 2015 |
absoluteSuccess: Santeria is widely practised in South America but not in the Caribbean. Our religion is known as spiritual baptists/ shango baptists... Our religion came from Africa and precisely from the Yoruba religion but the slaves were forced to accept Christianity and in turn mixed the two religions together, where we basically believe in honouring our ancestors. I've heard of Santeria but from what I know it's not Christian at all. I believe Legba is the name of the trickster or esu I think it's called in Yoruba, it's only a song passed down through ancestors and as u know with Chinese whispers words/ meanings can be alerted with time please don't assume we are a people of devil worshippers. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Carriacou1985(f): 10:02pm On Jun 25, 2015 |
Phut: For anyone interested in the exact words and way it is sung and danced, please see the video as posted by Phut. No one has mentioned the style of dance as a characteristic of which tribe it belongs to? I'm guessing it does come from a very corrupt form of Igbo with possibly other tribal influences. |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Phut(f): 9:20am On Aug 13, 2015 |
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Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Phut(f): 9:26am On Aug 13, 2015 |
Carriacou1985: Hi Carriacou. This is a video someone posted on facebook. The dance style is very similar to the dance in the ibole video. This is an Igbo dance from Nkanu people in Enugu State, Nigeria. You will notice the spinning or twirling style of dance. I can't get the video to post like the youtube video I posted earlier. Maybe someone can help me? In the meantime, you will have to click the link to view it. https://video-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xfa1/v/t42.1790-2/10989403_343646989177500_1593590981_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjY0NiwicmxhIjo5NDYsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoicmVzXzQyNl9jcmZfMjNfbWFpbl8zLjBfc2QifQ%3D%3D&rl=646&vabr=359&oh=6a308222046a829ea5e9f7c02d313f3a&oe=55CC7A7C @Bigfrancis21: How do I get this to open like the youtube videos? |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Phut(f): 9:36am On Aug 13, 2015 |
Also notice the similarity of dress with the skirt worn by the girl in the video starting from 1:44 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK8vaLFJ37M |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by scholes0(m): 11:37pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Phut: As at the time Igbos were exported as slaves, they didn't have any such clothes. so any similarity you might observe in clothing is purely co-incidental 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Emilokoiyawon: 2:41am On Aug 14, 2015 |
All those culutures and religion over there are Yoruba based. That song is Yoruba ('corrupted' but Yoruba all the same). The 'Igbo' link is largely nominal not organic. 2 Likes |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Carriacou1985(f): 3:23am On Sep 13, 2015 |
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Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by TAO11(f): 9:21am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Carriacou1985:Legba is the alternative name of the Yoruba deity popularly known as Eshu. The more common Yoruba pronunciations are Elegba, Elegbara or Legbara. 11 Likes |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Igboid: 2:36pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
TAO11: Legba is a Fon deity. Stop already. |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by TAO11(f): 4:38pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
Igboid:Lol. I can understand why you feel how you feel. If you had the slightest inkling on the history of Yoruba religion and its spread, you should have realized that that present-day Republic of Benin was heavily influenced via Oyo’s imperial domination etc. On the flip side, there’s is no record of any such influence on the Yoruba world-view from there. See the 1st attached for some details on the name Legba as an alternative name for Eshu. Moreover, the 2nd attached is of a YouTube video entitled “The Story of Ogun” as part of an Orisha series by Black Witch Ya Ya an American YouTuber and Yoruba religion enthusiast. Notice one of her subscribers in the comment section requesting that the next series should be on Eshu which s(he) also identified as Legba. Never ever feel insecure, intimidated, or inferior again. There is no point feeling that way. Cheers! 11 Likes
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Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Igboid: 5:04pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
TAO11: Yoruba borrowed Legba from Fon. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Legba Eshu belongs to Yoruba. Legba to Fon. You borrowed and it became an alternative name to your traditional Eshu. A bit like Ndiigbo borrowed "Ashawo" from Yorubas to serve as a synonym for "Akwuna", which is Igbo name for prostitute. 1 Like |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by TAO11(f): 5:13pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
Igboid:There is no mention of Yoruba borrowing anything from Fon in the link you pasted. Lol. I have shared two different screenshots with you clearly stating that Legba is simply an alternative name for Eshu. But whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. Having said that, you shouldn’t see the need to feel insecure, inferior, or intimidated going forward. 12 Likes |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by TAO11(f): 5:34pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
cc: Igboid To wrap this up, the following words are the testimony of a Vodu practitioner and worshipper of Eshu — Sena Voncujovi — where he made it clear that Eshu is a Yoruba deity who is one and the same entity as Elegbara who is in turn one and the same entity as Legba (an alternative spelling). Sena Voncujovi writes: “The mistranslation of Eshu (also known as Eshu Elegbara), a highly revered indigenous Yoruba deity, by Samuel Ajayi Crowther (1809–1891) as “the devil” is perhaps the most salient example of how African spirituality became associated with Satan”. The following is the link to the full essay so you can access the context: https://humanparts.medium.com/why-african-spirituality-became-associated-with-satan-a16712cf9cdf 14 Likes |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by Igboid: 8:03pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
TAO11: Legba is recognized to have originated from Fon. Anyone else using Legba or similar cognate, obviously borrowed from Fon. It doesn't need to be stated. You are the one with insecurities claiming things not belonging to you to make yourself feel good when you could easily give the originators their duely deserved credit. Its embarrassing. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Legba 1 Like |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by ABULARdotCOM: 11:33pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Dr-Fi/Eshu.html http://members.tripod.com/omo_ileosikan/elegba.htm 7 Likes |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by TAO12: 10:44am On Sep 05, 2020 |
Igboid:Thank you for simply repeating your comment that I already refuted. 4 Likes |
Re: Can Any Ibo or Yoruba Speakers Help Me? by omonnakoda: 1:49pm On Jan 02, 2023 |
Slave trade shuffled the cards of our peoples,culture and languages It is wrong to make inference from how it is today about how it was yesterday Even before slave trade it would appear that there was some cross fertilisation of belief and languages If you consider primary words For Water Land House Stone Deity Divination you will find similarities E.g the Isoko divination by Ava is similar to Ifa Across West Africa there are notions of a deity Mami Waata in several groups Legba is a name for one of the manifestation of a deity Eshu also known as Elegba or Papa Legba Eshu was usually worshipped at crossroads e.g Ojuelegba=Oju Elegba Ojuelegba was a place where Eshu was worshipped With regard to the song it seems to me a mix of different languages or to contain words that have become extinct in their place of origin Do not forget language does not stand still. The way they spoke Yoruba or Igbo 300 years ago is not the same today. Words that were carried over with slaves may have died out in their places of origin of changed meaning totally Yes words do change meaning A good example is the word GAY . In 1900 it did not mean homosexual Finally many are projecting central Igbo or Yoruba into their interpretation Those things are quite new. It is important to bear this final point in mind. There were so many dialects then that have now converged and some would have died out 1 Like |
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