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Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by Waspy(m): 7:07am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Texcoco:Igbos.....studying YORUBA history since 1900. Una no go graduate I swear. 5 Likes |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by Dragonking: 7:14am On Apr 09, 2015 |
macof: You are very foolish for not using ur common sense. Who is threatening this mofo sef.? I was simply advising u since u can think on ur own. If u want to pass a message pass it and stop being an eediot here.. Everybody saw I was just pulling strings but since u can't comprehend then keep on playing the fo0l I will help you with the music..Eedioot. |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by Dragonking: 7:16am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Harzan: if you can pay the right fee I will help you claim back ya land. |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by segunoyegab(m): 7:17am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Hun! this article should go beyond ds level. coz its an enlghtment. by d way, Yoruba should be careful, otherwise ... 1 Like |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by Nobody: 7:30am On Apr 09, 2015 |
When the present emir dies, yorubas will invade ilorin and install an oba there. Watch for part b. |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by omonnakoda: 7:30am On Apr 09, 2015 |
macof:We must remain logical.Assuming we accept the proposition that Nigeria is a mess why must we accept your explanation. In other words you are saying any country where there is a dominant culture would NOT be a mess or any country where there is no dominant culture would be a mess.Neither is true and that assertion is as logical as saying Nigeria is a mess because we eat plantain. That is an emotional rather than an analytical claim. |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by VickyRotex(f): 7:46am On Apr 09, 2015 |
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Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by ogiste(f): 8:42am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Alimi died in the war of jihad and abdusalam killed afonja due to the fact that he believes he has something to do with oyo ile. And secondly ibadan never dominated ijesa akoko and ekiti it was when they want to expand their territory Ogendengbe Agbogungboro lead the war for the ekiti's that's why the war was called ekiti parapo war and they named it has kiriji due to sound of machine guns. That one of the strongest of war in Nigeria to know more visit university of ilorin yoruba dept my 08038362663 be careful fake histories |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by Nobody: 8:53am On Apr 09, 2015 |
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Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by debedebe(m): 10:07am On Apr 09, 2015 |
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Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by Sapphiredamsel(f): 10:27am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Wow wow wow, how I love history. I'm quite enlightened this morning . 1 Like |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by omonnakoda: 10:30am On Apr 09, 2015 |
ogiste:War of JIHAD? Really ?There was a war of Jihad in Ilorin? Can you enlighten us about this |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by NigerMan1: 10:32am On Apr 09, 2015 |
macof: macof - sorry bro. Yoruba is giving who headache? That's way above the topic here. Why must you claim the ancestral lineage of another tribe? The issue here you responded is about Itsekiri - not Yoruba. Itsekiris are ancestrally Benin - the language, culture, kingship etc are Benin formation. You talked about Ijebu as if Ijebu were ever a force to reckon with in the olden days? The land known today as Itsekiri was a mixture of different migrants and Benin slaves: Ijebus, Igalas etc. That's why they have mixed languages developed over the years including a bit of Yoruba. However over 80% of Itsekiri linguistic is Benin. |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by 9cbaby(f): 10:32am On Apr 09, 2015 |
VickyRotex:u both hv green in common |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by NigerMan1: 10:44am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Waspy: Waspy - you are making an academic blunder here. History as a field of study is NOT tribal in nature. In fact is not for the faint hearted. It involves extremely intense research, rigorous investment, propel by huge passion. That is why most people don't dare it, why most don't know the history of their own fathers but allow to be told all sort of fables and tales about their history. Now let me ask you Waspy: Is it only Yoruba history you know? Do you know or have idea about Egyptian history? Hausa history? 1st World War? 2nd World War? Arab history? Jewish history? and so on? So why questioning an Igbo for knowing Yoruba history? Except if you meant to tell me your history is SECRET and not in the open domain. |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by VickyRotex(f): 10:51am On Apr 09, 2015 |
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Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by NigerMan1: 10:52am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Sapphiredamsel: Sapphiredamsel - be careful what you read here. Most so called histories being bandied about are more often weaved in lies, half truth, deliberate distortions and meant to manipulate minds like you. The writes in most cases do these to achieve a set goals: 1. To massage tribal ego, 2. To promote tribal superiority, 3. To rubbish other tribe, At the end, truth is sacrificed! Sapphiredamsel if you must know, understand and become knowledgeable in any aspect of history, then you must be ready to pay the price yourself. |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by Idyllic: 11:03am On Apr 09, 2015 |
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Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by Idyllic: 11:10am On Apr 09, 2015 |
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Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by Bimpe29: 12:01pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
It is crystal clear that your so called historical facts are not only false, but unfounded. History may be misrepresented, but can not be distorted as you've done. When going down memory lane, adequate & objective research can not be left out. Hence, d the needful and stop spreading the falsehood. 1 Like |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by MrPresident1: 12:07pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
NigerMan1: LoL. When the time comes for the truth to seep through to you, you will understand. I am tired |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by MrPresident1: 12:15pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
macof: omonnakoda: Read Prof's quote. If not for the British, you ekiti slave would not be stalking me about on Nairaland. Is Ekiti Oduduwa? |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by omonnakoda: 12:20pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
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Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by omonnakoda: 12:21pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
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Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by MrPresident1: 12:52pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
Oduduwa's sons are the Obas of Yorubaland. Not all 'Yoruba' are Oduduwa, but all the Obas are, this is why all the Obas trace their lineage to Oduduwa, and their subjects too by extension claim to be children of Oduduwa. Oduduwa brought civilization from the East, Heaven, to 'Yorubaland'. He conquered and assimilated the aboriginal tribes and made his children their kings. This is akin to how the Fulanis are the Emirs of Hausaland. The Fulani are not Hausa. It was warfare that drove Oduduwa from his superior civilization in the the East, to regions beyond the rivers of Ethiopia. Oduduwa is not a single person, Oduduwa is a mass of people who were fleeing warfare where they were coming from, who arrived subdued, subjugated, and civilized the aborigines. Oduduwa is kinda like an ensign, a standard, an ori of sorts. |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by NigerMan1: 2:36pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
MrPresident1: MrPresident1 - I laugh at your story Please let's continue to strive to DISTINGUISH between tribal fables and scholarly works of history. They are two distinct and far between. Ask yourself: "Did I really believe this story?" You may say yes because it gives you a sense of tribal comfort and maybe massage your ego. But if you hear same fables and folktales from another tribe, then your human intelligence will spring up to confront it. Do same to this story you just posted here. Finally do you know there are more than 12 versions of Oduduwa story in Yorubaland? Some believe he was a woman... some wrote he was a spirit who converted into human... some claimed he came from Arabs... and so on. I remember in the 70s and 80s the biggest and most accepted story about Oduduwa among Yorubas was that he was the 'Progenitor' of all Yorubas. Now in the last few years, that angle is being rested, giving way to other concocted stories like the one you just posted. The reason why you guys continue to weave stories upon stories about Oduduwa is to cover up the true identity of Oduduwa; selling political lies that all modern day Yorubas came or originated from the same Oduduwa and source. |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by MrPresident1: 4:10pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
NigerMan1: The reason the true origins of Oduduwa has not been deciphered until now is because it is as it is written in the Bible. Oduduwa is not a single person, but the code name for a mass of people, the name is like a banner, like a spiritual ensign, not the name of just one person. And as to depiction as a woman, 'Her/She' is used to qualify nations not 'He/Him'. Note these three premises; Oduduwa said he came from heaven Oduduwa said he came from the East It is warfare that brought Oduduwa to 'Yorubaland' Premise one Heaven means rulership and enjoyment. By Oduduwa saying that he descended from heaven, he meant that he came from a place of enjoyment. Remember all versions agree that he is a prince. see these linked verses; Deuteronomy 11:21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth. Deuteronomy 32:14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape. Premise two Lebanon is the land marker that we can use to identify the land towards the East where Oduduwa said he came from. Deuteronomy 3:25 I pray thee, let me go over, and see the good land that is beyond Jordan, that goodly mountain, and Lebanon. Isaiah 33:9 The earth mourneth and languisheth: Lebanon is ashamed and hewn down: Sharon is like a wilderness; and Bashan and Carmel shake off their Lamentations 2:1 How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger! fruits. Premise three In 70AD Jerusalem the temple of God was sacked by the forces of Rome, and ancient Hebrews ran into the interiors of Africa, beyond the rivers of Ethiopia. Lamentations 5:12-15 12 Princes are hanged up by their hand: the faces of elders were not honoured. 13 They took the young men to grind, and the children fell under the wood. Zephaniah 3:10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering. Not all Yoruba are Oduduwa (hence ancient Hebrews), remember Oduduwa met aborigines on ground when he arrived here; people who had lived here for eons before he arrived. However, the dichotomy between lineage ancient hebrews (Oduduwa) and grafted (aborigines) is destroyed in Christ and everyone can now become the Temple of God. |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by macof(m): 6:16pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
MrPresident1: how does his quote agree with u? you deranged people can't have common sense even if you tried British created nairaland? that question is so dumb it's like asking "did your father give birth to you" |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by macof(m): 6:28pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
NigerMan1: says the man who calls the father of his King a myth Your problem is to diminish the Yoruba, I appreciate your effort, cus if you didn't see glory in Yorubas there won't be anything to try to beat down It's a compliment you honour me really ... True the royal lineage is Bini origin..the people are of Ijebu and received later Igala settlers That's why you have Ijekiri - Ije kiri - Voyage of wandering about Like Ijebu - Ije bu - voyage of the deep Itsekiri ancestors were wandering Ijebu seafarers stop your bigotry. Even the Itsekiri are now coming out to embrace their Yoruba blood 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by macof(m): 6:58pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
Bimpe29: Can you point out the falsehoods? The OP still remains the best piece on ilorin on nairaland 1 Like |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by macof(m): 7:04pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
SurePresident: Why do you people come up with all this nonsense? Oyo wasn't the largest or longest running empire Wiki says Ghana empire was 300-1200 And in size, Mali, Kanem-bornu and Songhai were larger than Oyo I stopped reading when you said Ewe and Aja are in Benin city...that just made me laugh seriously Here read this it's a starter http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewe_people http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_people |
Re: Historical Facts About Ilorin And Kwara Yoruba by MrPresident1: 7:39pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
I am not someone you can cyberbully, I will destroy you. You are warned. macof: 1 Like |
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