Texcoco:
[b] This is historical revisionism at best....we all saw what happened.The Marabout,Shiek Alimi was sent for to look after the spiritual needs of Hausas and Nupe Muslims,these muslims make up the entire cavalry wing of Alaafin's army, based in frontier town Illorin.Afonja in cahoots with Alimi exploited these elite horsemen to his military advantage against his master afterwhich Alimi keen to oversee an Islamic Emirate and spark a jihad conspired with his son Abubabkr to strangle Afonja(in his palace) thus taking not only control of the area but also the souls of the indigenes....these converted indigenes were the cannon fodder with which a jihad sprang out and nearly swept SW Nigeria.....It was only halted by disagreement amongst the muslim forces as to the formula of sharin yoruba war slaves and booty,the very forested area south of Illorin which made it impossible to lead a cavalry charge as it was in the flat Savanaah range of North central Nigeria and concerted efforts by rival pagan yoruba chiefs to fight a common enemy..........Town after town fell to these Jihadists until there was talk of touching the Quran inside the Atlantic this not only increased their fervour but made them undergo severe hardships. Alas they had no answer to the environment,the tse-tse flies which infected and killed off their horses with trypanosomiasis(sleeping sickness)..without which they were unable to sweep and put to flight pagan yoruba armies.Some jihadists made good infantry men but not all could fight on the ground,so after a military defeat borne from low morale and homesickness, a general call was sounded out for retreat and consolidation thus Illorin carved out yorubaland including environs of present day Kogi state up to Idah to the east and Aladja in present day Northern Benin Republic to the west became an Islamic Emirate...[/b]

macof:


You deserve the insult for being a nuisance..you are exactly what I called you - a moronic bigot that doesn't want to see beyond his bigotry
even the link you've been peddling didn't say fulani conquered ilorin
So where do u get ur nonsense from?

Don't bother threatening me, refraining yourself from bigotry will do just fine

Harzan:
Unna still dey here... I hail ooh.
@ dragonking
When d stage is set make we grow balls, wage war to overthrow. I gonna let you know, make u come be the front runner!
Vicky, mzteemarh, et all..... unna do well.
Good night!

macof:


It's happening in the North
Smaller ethnicities are being taken over by Hausa language
That's why the North is more firm and united

The middle belt is in trouble, but whether they like it or not their language and culture isn't as strong as the big guns like Hausa, so it's likely small groups get taken over and assimilated into the larger body but rewriting their history is not an issue, it would likely be about forgetting their earlier history without need to rewrite..that's how civilizations and nations are made not by merging people forcefully
Nigeria is a mess because there's no dominant culture, language and no common historically ties

eleko1:
Shey U. Nor dey hia pipu kal Haji Kolawole Kebe Kwara or Woteva?.Omo Kwara/gambari

Demmzy15:

People calling Yorubas cowards!

ogiste:
Alimi died in the war of jihad and abdusalam killed afonja due to the fact that he believes he has something to do with oyo ile. And secondly ibadan never dominated ijesa akoko and ekiti it was when they want to expand their territory Ogendengbe Agbogungboro lead the war for the ekiti's that's why the war was called ekiti parapo war and they named it has kiriji due to sound of machine guns. That one of the strongest of war in Nigeria to know more visit university of ilorin yoruba dept my 08038362663 be careful fake histories

macof:


Lmao won ti gbe tuntun de
Itsekiri are Yoruba speakers, I can relate with the language
They have linguistic and ancestral ties with Ijebu

A non-Yoruba teaching us our history..ok go on...write a book while you at it
I don't know why Yoruba keep giving you people headache..all u bigots

VickyRotex:


why evullsss Look at my profile pix and tell me if I dressed like that.

Waspy:
Igbos.....studying YORUBA history since 1900. Una no go graduate I swear.

9cbaby:
u both hv green in common

Sapphiredamsel:
Wow wow wow, how I love history. I'm quite enlightened this morning .

cirmuell:
It's not Ilorin but other surrounding yoruba speaking towns that want out(offa, igbominas et al). They want a state for themselves in the southwest region in collaboration with the yorubas of Kogi State(Okun people).

anonimi:


The traditional ruler of Ilorin, Emir is fulani, not so

The political leader of the entire Kwara state is Saraki another fulani whose ancestors came from Mali, abi =>

NigerMan1:


MrPresident1 - this una well-known fallacious Oduduwa story again? And who told you "Oduduwa is also the progenitor of the Bini"? Is that another Yoruba version (latest one now) or you're simply making it up?

Simply to accept events and incidents that happened centuries ago is soooo difficult for you guys. You often find ways to weave fabulous stories to tarnish others history and subtly elevating yours.

Sorry to DISAPPOINT - Oduduwa is NOT the progenitor of the Bini. He was a Bini prince who escaped to Ife. The East you guys are talking about is actually Benin.

macof:


You deranged man again.

omonnakoda:

Why are we so sure that other Obas are indeed Yoruba.? Once again what does Yoruba mean . People who cling on to that concept have no understanding or a distorted understanding of history . To create empire you gain somethings and you lose others. Genetically I suspect that many people who we know as Yoruba are indeed Tapa or Hausa slave descendants who dissolved into the Oyo empire. The Oyos themselves are distinct from Ekiti and Ijebu. Finally Oduduwa came into Yorubaland from outside established a dynasty and rewrote history. The story of Oduduwa is no different from Alimi if we analyse it properly. Oduduwa was not a indigene.But then who did Oduduwa marry and his children after him. The queen of England is of German ancestry German . This is how kings come about ,they have to lay some claim of superiority of difference

MrPresident1:
Oduduwa's sons are the Obas of Yorubaland. Not all 'Yoruba' are Oduduwa, but all the Obas are, this is why all the Obas trace their lineage to Oduduwa, and their subjects claim to be children of Oduduwa.

Oduduwa brought civilization from the East, Heaven, to 'Yorubaland'. He conquered and assimilated the aboriginal tribes and made his children their kings. This is akin to how the Fulanis are the Emirs of Hausaland. The Fulani are not Hausa.

It was warfare that drove Oduduwa from his superior civilization in the the East, to regions beyond the rivers of Ethiopia.

Oduduwa is not a single person, Oduduwa is a mass of people who were fleeing warfare where they were coming from, who arrived subdued, subjugated, and civilized the aborigines.

Oduduwa is kinda like an ensign, a standard, an ori of sorts.

NigerMan1:



MrPresident1 - I laugh at your story

Please let's continue to strive to DISTINGUISH between tribal fables and scholarly works of history. They are two distinct and far between.

Ask yourself: "Did I really believe this story?"

You may say yes because it gives you a sense of tribal comfort and maybe massage your ego. But if you hear same fables and folktales from another tribe, then your human intelligence will spring up to confront it. Do same to this story you just posted here.

Finally do you know there are more than 12 versions of Oduduwa story in Yorubaland? Some believe he was a woman... some wrote he was a spirit who converted into human... some claimed he came from Arabs... and so on.

I remember in the 70s and 80s the biggest and most accepted story about Oduduwa among Yorubas was that he was the 'Progenitor' of all Yorubas. Now in the last few years, that angle is being rested, giving way to other concocted stories like the one you just posted.

The reason why you guys continue to weave stories upon stories about Oduduwa is to cover up the true identity of Oduduwa; selling political lies that all modern day Yorubas came or originated from the same Oduduwa and source.

MrPresident1:




Read Prof's quote. If not for the British, you ekiti slave would not be stalking me about on Nairaland.

Is Ekiti Oduduwa?

NigerMan1:


macof - sorry bro. Yoruba is giving who headache?
That's way above the topic here. Why must you claim the ancestral lineage of another tribe?

The issue here you responded is about Itsekiri - not Yoruba.

Itsekiris are ancestrally Benin - the language, culture, kingship etc are Benin formation.

You talked about Ijebu as if Ijebu were ever a force to reckon with in the olden days? The land known today as Itsekiri was a mixture of different migrants and Benin slaves: Ijebus, Igalas etc.

That's why they have mixed languages developed over the years including a bit of Yoruba. However over 80% of Itsekiri linguistic is Benin.

Bimpe29:
It is crystal clear that your so called historical facts are not only false, but unfounded. History may be misrepresented, but can not be distorted as you've done. When going down memory lane, adequate & objective research can not be left out. Hence, d the needful and stop spreading the falsehood.

SurePresident:
www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyo_Empire
www.ihuanedo.ning.com/m/discussion?id=2971192%3ATopic%3A11921
FACTS and FIGURES:
afonja sowed disunity that later led to the fall of the Empire and eventually civil wars among Yoruba. The sown ote ati tembelekun is the only problem of Yorubas now. We shall rule and dominate Africa again, once we destroy this disunity. Oyo Empire is the largest and longest African Empire so far, between 14th to 18th Century. Oyo as the center was only interrupted by sudden unexpected attack sometime around
1535, by the Nupe who then occupied it. However, after a short while, the ever resilient Yorubas Army destroyed them and took their reminants as perpetual slaves till European slave trade started. This served as an eye opener and made Oyo Empire to prepare a mighty military base that started waging wars on all fronts, conquering and taking territories towards the South, Badagry, Dahomey, Togo, etc. Also, taking massive territories up to fuga, Ibilo towards the East during which many more igbo slaves were taken. Also, towards the North, Kwara, Kogi etc. This explains why Yoruba was imposed as the lingual franca of this places, even currently today. They still speak Yoruba in Benin Republic, Togo and other captured areas that have now become independent countries of their own.
Even though Oyo empire did not really capture Benin City, by16th century, the Ewe and Aja states of modern Benin City were paying tribute to Oyo.
Yoruba Unity once put us on top of Africa till the useless son of Judas called afonja betrayed the African greatest Empire that had thousands of Hausa slaves, igbo slaves and slaves from other part of Africa.
Some senseless writers try so hard to downplay the fact that the colossal thousands of Fulani jihadist warriors waging war from Ilorin met their bloody catastrophic Waterloo in a bitter war fought with the great and formidable Yoruba Army at Offa, just before Oshogbo in 1837. The Yoruba Army actually chased the few reminants back to Ilorin with intension to annihilate them but lo, Ilorin had already become much of Yoruba/Hausa/Fulani mixture. Overrunning them, we would have killed too much of our own. Coupled with the fact that the Hausa/Fulanis apologised and sued for peace with a signed treaty never to pass their boundary again, the Yoruba Army returned to Oyo. was the very last time that the They hard the intension of over tuning Yoruba land and islamizing the entire empire.
Yoruba forces, in line with defence arrangement perfected by Yoruba leaders led by Alaafin Atiba, at the new capital,
Agodoyo around 1837.
Some of the classical literatures on Yoruba history related
to the above topic include Iwe Itan Ibadan (History of
Ibadan) by Isaac B. Akinyele (1911), History of the Yorubas
by Samuel Johnson (1921), Iwe Itan Ogbomoso (History of
Ogbomoso) by N.D. Oyerinde (1934), etc. These are some
of the classical works by academic and non academic historians.

macof:


how does his quote agree with u? you deranged people can't have common sense even if you tried

British created nairaland?

that question is so dumb it's like asking "did your father give birth to you"