Dear Rottweiler owner and Breeders,

Its so wrong to dock Rottweiler with assumption it will make them more aggressive or make them look more stern looking!!

I'st wrong and so wrong and i find more of this in Nigeria!! Yes! Nigeria!! For christ sake this should be stop and i think Rottweiler lovers show shun this!!

This practise has been banned and i think any Rottweiler from 2010 with docked tail is exempted from this practise...The new generation Rottweiler don't deserve this!!

Hope we can have this in our country as well!

I do have one(Docked tail) and he his 8 years old and he was imported with legal certificate like that. but now its illegal to docked their tails

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_west/7443982.stm

Na wa ooo so na dog tail b ur problem...u nor get prob at all

rhukky01:
Na wa ooo so na dog tail b ur problem...u nor get prob at all

Hello!!! you could have just ignored!!!

The K9 has more problems than docking sir. Until you can tackle those, your post on nairaland wont move a muscle

Docking of tails and ear cropping in dogs two very useless practices (in my books).

Prodeegee:
The K9 has more problems than docking sir. Until you can tackle those, your post on nairaland wont move a muscle

Yea i do agree!!! but we can start from somewhere!!!

smileysmiles:
Docking of tails and ear cropping in dogs two very useless practices (in my books).

Its really uncalled for and i see this practise even here on Nairaland.

maxtum:


Its really uncalled for and i see this practise even here on Nairaland.

A lot of people here are against it.... atleast the few buddies i have here all own complete dogs

maxtum:


Yea i do agree!!! but we can start from somewhere!!!

Definitely not tail docking

Would you rather not circumcise your kids just because the practice has been said to be inhumane? #JUST ASKING#

arcbay:
Would you rather not circumcise your kids just because the practice has been said to be inhumane? #JUST ASKING#

Circumcision has positive effects on the kid ... docking and cropping are done to make dogs up to american kinikan standard ( i no know how that one take concern us for here) and it makes caucasians look like wild monkeys (seen 2).

If there are any other advantages of docking and cropping.. please share

Make i con comot natasha tail add am to brads own

The tail of any four legged animal is meant for balance when they run or chase. I don't know why anybody would want to dock a dog's tail because that's what others do. Their tail is also part of their beauty.

arcbay:
Would you rather not circumcise your kids just because the practice has been said to be inhumane? #JUST ASKING#

@Arcbay......Its also possible to remove one leg from your kid to have a stern look too!

OlayemiKing:
The tail of any four legged animal is meant for balance when they run or chase. I don't know why anybody would want to dock a dog's tail because that's what others do. Their tail is also part of their beauty.

All tails aren't thesame. You won't compare an average dog's tail to a large dog's tail. A large tail causes imbalance. When he wags he swerves from left to right.

I haven't reall read about ears cropping but for the tail docking, all dogs were designed according to taste. So editing is allowed.

smileysmiles:


Circumcision has positive effects on the kid ... docking and cropping are done to make dogs up to american kinikan standard ( i no know how that one take concern us for here) and it makes caucasians look like wild monkeys (seen 2).

If there are any other advantages of docking and cropping.. please share

Make i con comot natasha tail add am to brads own

Docking do too... why are boerboels in SA still docked today?

If you own a large breed dog you'll know what I'm talking about

Prodeegee:

Docking do too... why are boerboels in SA still docked today?
If you own a large breed dog you'll know what I'm talking about

@ Prodeegee ..Just like the country you mentioned SA!! What do they kn about certifying Dogs??

We talking about countries that certify Dogs and you bring SA to the picture!!

About Bigs Dogs..Thats what i have known and have seen and i mean seen and do own,will continue to have as my best friends. I have families, friends with them as well.

The practise is wrong and doesn't cause any in balance according to you!! Can we also start docking St Benards as well!

Its all wrong!!!

maxtum:


@ Prodeegee ..Just like the country you mentioned SA!! What do they kn about certifying Dogs??

We talking about countries that certify Dogs and you bring SA to the picture!!

About Bigs Dogs..Thats what i have known and have seen and i mean seen and do own,will continue to have as my best friends. I have families, friends with them as well.

The practise is wrong and doesn't cause any in balance according to you!! Can we also start docking St Benards as well!

Its all wrong!!!

What's the point arguing? You already said SA don't know anything about certifying dogs. Then I wonder where your boerboels came from.

Anyways, you guys enjoy the thread

maxtum:


@Arcbay......Its also possible to remove one leg from your kid to have a stern look too!

This is quite annoying and personally I pick offence. How can U compare the both?
Please mind ur words

Prodeegee:

What's the point arguing? You already said SA don't know anything about certifying dogs. Then I wonder where your boerboels came from.
Anyways, you guys enjoy the thread

Thanks! Don't have a Boerboel!

Apitch:

This is quite annoying and personally I pick offence. How can U compare the both?
Please mind ur words

Hello!!! did you opt in!

Read thread again and return!!

Prodeegee:


Docking do too... why are boerboels in SA still docked today?

If you own a large breed dog you'll know what I'm talking about

Here we go with the "if u have a large breed dog" talk. Ok, i agree i dont have one. Enlighten me.

What can a docked dog do that a dog with its tail cant ?
What is the best effect of dockin on a dog?

Disadvantages are plentiful.

To start, dogs use tails for communication. In a hectic moment, a dog can easily get its point through with it's tail, to express fear, happiness, or annoyance. If you'll notice, there are very few breeds with naturally short tails. There is a purpose to this. Dogs need the tails to communicate with eachother. Stubby tails are harder to "read" so a dog not paying attention to one trying to show that it is scared will probably cause the scared one to act in agression. It's a fact that dogs with stubby tails are much more prone to agressive behaviour! Stubby tialed dogs are also more likely to develop fearful personalities as they learn they its harder for them to communicate with other dogs. Guard dogs were actually docked to encourage this behaviour so they keep everyone away from the property, actually being scared of everyone approaching.

Why is the RSPCA opposed to the tail docking of dogs?

Tail docking is the term given to the surgical removal of puppies’ tails for cosmetic purposes. The procedure was usually performed at 2-5 days of age; the tail is cut off using a pair of scissors or caused to drop off by occluding the blood supply using a tight rubber band. There are over 70 breeds of dog that traditionally have had their tails cut off a few days after birth. The reason some breeds and not others are docked is simply because of the fashion set for that particular breed. Each breed has an arbitrary standard for where the tail should be cut off.
The RSPCA is opposed to the cosmetic tail docking of dogs because the procedure is unnecessary and compromises the welfare of dogs. In 2004, tail docking for non-therapeutic reasons was banned across Australia. Since then it has been illegal to dock dogs’ tails unless there is a veterinary medical reason for the operation. Only qualified veterinarians are permitted to carry out the surgery, whereas before the ban, tail docking could be carried out by anyone classified as an ‘experienced breeder.’ All previously docked breeds can now compete at dog shows with full tails, so there is absolutely no reason for any dog's tail to be docked unless they were born prior to 2004 or have damaged their tail in some way.

Unfortunately, there are some veterinarians and breeders who still advocate tail docking for cosmetic purposes.

Tail docking is painful

Advocates of tail docking claim that it does not cause pain or discomfort, as the nervous system of puppies is not fully developed. This is not the case; the basic nervous system of a dog is fully developed at birth. Evidence indicates that puppies have similar sensitivity to pain as adult dogs. Docking a puppy's tail involves cutting through muscles, tendons, up to seven pairs of highly sensitive nerves and severing bone and cartilage connections. Tail docking is usually carried out without any anaesthesia or analgesia (pain relief). Puppies give repeated intense shrieking vocalisations the moment the tail is cut off and during stitching of the wound, indicating that they experience substantial pain. Inflammation and damage to the tissues also cause ongoing pain while the wound heals. There is also the risk of infection or other complications associated with this unnecessary surgery.

Tail docking can also cause unnecessary and avoidable long term chronic pain and distress to the dog. For example, when a chronic neuroma forms at the amputation site. Neuromas are often very painful.

Tails are major communication tools

The dog’s tail serves a critically important role in canine social behaviour. The tail is a major communication tool between dogs. The tail’s position and movement can indicate friendliness, a desire to play, submission or a warning signal, among many other messages. Thus the tail also serves as a protective mechanism for dogs, part of the various strategies employed by dogs to communicate with one another; establish boundaries and to avert aggressive encounters.

The tail also communicates important messages to humans during human-dog interactions. The action of the tail can help humans to interpret a dog’s body language and to determine what sort of interaction is appropriate for a particular dog. Thus the tail plays an important role in public health and safety.
Removing the tail impairs a dog’s ability to communicate properly, leaving them highly vulnerable to being misunderstood by other dogs and humans and placing them at a distinct social disadvantage. Therefore tails must not be removed for any reason other than for therapeutic purposes.
Pro-docking claims

The few remaining advocates of tail docking give a range of unconvincing explanations to defend their views. For instance, they say that some heavy coated breeds need to have their tails docked for hygiene reasons (even though many undocked breeds have thick coats and regular care is all that is necessary to maintain good hygiene). Another explanation is that docking prevents tail damage in hunting dogs. But most docked puppies are kept as family pets and are never used for hunting and research has shown that docking does not reduce tail injury in the general dog population. Furthermore, many breeds of hunting dogs do not have docked tails, and the length of the tail in docked breeds varies according to the breed standard. The excuses put forward to support tail docking are plainly unfounded. There is simply no excuse for reviving this painful tradition.

Is it legal in other countries?

Cosmetic tail docking has also been banned in a number of countries including Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, Finland, Germany and Denmark. Several other European countries including Cyprus, Greece, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and Austria have also ratified a European Convention that prohibits the cosmetic docking of tails. In the United Kingdom tail docking can only be carried out by a registered veterinary surgeon. The practice is opposed by the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons which describes it as an 'unacceptable mutilation'.

Why do some dogs still have docked tails?

You may still see adult dogs with docked tails, as the docking may have been performed before the ban was introduced. But you should never buy a puppy with a docked tail. If you get a dog from a breeder, make sure that they do not dock tails. If you suspect that tail docking is still taking place, please phone your state or territory RSPCA. There are also a few breeds, such as the Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog, or the Australian Shepherd (which is actually an American breed) which carry a genetic mutation that means some individuals are born with short (stumpy) tails.

Other surgical modification of companion animals – ear cropping of dogs

Ear cropping involves the surgical removal of a portion of both of ears and is traditionally performed on specific breeds such as boxers, great danes, doberman pinschers or schnauzers. The practice was common in dogs bred for guarding, fighting, and hunting small animals and the historical reasons for ear cropping are similar to those for tail docking (owners said they wanted to reduce the incidence of ear injuries and make it harder for their dogs to be caught by the ears). Although few dogs are used for such purposes now, some breed fanciers argue that cropped ears are part of the historical breed standard. Others, including RSPCA Australia regard the practice of ear cropping as an unnecessary and detrimental to the welfare of the animals concerned. In many countries including Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, and the United Kingdom, the practice is banned under prevention of cruelty to animals’ legislation.

source: http://kb.rspca.org.au/Why-is-the-RSPCA-opposed-to-the-tail-docking-of-dogs_135.html

smileysmiles:


Here we go with the "if u have a large breed dog" talk. Ok, i agree i dont have one. Enlighten me.

What can a docked dog do that a dog with its tail cant ?
What is the best effect of dockin on a dog?

As stated above, it's all about keeping balance

I really do not want to go into details as this is a personal decision. Wether to dock your dogs or not.

Like I said, most of these dogs have been genetically modified to sooth human taste.

The English bulldog is an example, suffers more deaths than docked dogs because they have atiny nose, tough skin, large tongue and all. Why isn't breeding bulldogs banned?

We shouldn't follow rules, we should follow facts!

Prodeegee:


As stated above, it's all about keeping balance

I really do not want to go into details as this is a personal decision. Wether to dock your dogs or not.

Like I said, most of these dogs have been genetically modified to sooth human taste.

The English bulldog is an example, suffers more deaths than docked dogs because they have atiny nose, tough skin, large tongue and all. Why isn't breeding bulldogs banned?

We shouldn't follow rules, we should follow facts!

So dockin aids balance?

Culled from "gbl01 at 8:15am:-Now re-read my post, do it slowly this time.the clock on your brain might sync properly then.

But just incase...i don copy paste again.

The RSPCA is opposed to the cosmetic tail docking of dogs because the procedure is unnecessary and compromises the welfare of dogs. In 2004, tail docking for non-therapeutic reasons was banned across Australia. Since then it has been illegal to dock dogs’ tails unless there is a veterinary medical reason for the operation. Only qualified veterinarians are permitted to carry out the surgery, whereas before the ban, tail docking could be carried out by anyone classified as an ‘experienced breeder.’ All previously docked breeds can now compete at dog shows with full tails, so there is absolutely no reason for any dog's tail to be docked unless they were born prior to 2004 or have damaged their tail in some way.

Then.... this the POINT to rest this...

The few remaining advocates of tail docking give a range of unconvincing explanations to defend their views. For instance, they say that some heavy coated breeds need to have their tails docked for hygiene reasons (even though many undocked breeds have thick coats and regular care is all that is necessary to maintain good hygiene). Another explanation is that docking prevents tail damage in hunting dogs. But most docked puppies are kept as family pets and are never used for hunting and research has shown that docking does not reduce tail injury in the general dog population. Furthermore, many breeds of hunting dogs do not have docked tails, and the length of the tail in docked breeds varies according to the breed standard. The excuses put forward to support tail docking are plainly unfounded. There is simply no excuse for reviving this painful tradition.

smileysmiles:


Circumcision has positive effects on the kid ... docking and cropping are done to make dogs up to american kinikan standard ( i no know how that one take concern us for here) and it makes caucasians look like wild monkeys (seen 2).

If there are any other advantages of docking and cropping.. please share

Make i con comot natasha tail add am to brads own

Hey honnie...My point here is this...Amongst the Northerners, it is norm that a kid shouldn't be circumcised while amongst the yourubas and igbos, It is almost compulsory...

You said Caucasians look like monkeys with their ears cropped, yea true. But have you taken time to ask yourself the true intent of the birth of the breed, if they were actually meant to look like apes.

And have you taken time to find out why some breeds are dock tailed while some are not?

maxtum:


@Arcbay......Its also possible to remove one leg from your kid to have a stern look too!

If removing a leg would make my kid a better MAN, i'll gladly do so....

Just like the saying goes..."ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS"...
In essence, not all breed of dogs are meant to live with a tail. Dock tailing of large breeds is essential for hunting and working purposes, keeps better balance and the likes.

maxtum:


@ Prodeegee ..Just like the country you mentioned SA!! What do they kn about certifying Dogs??

We talking about countries that certify Dogs and you bring SA to the picture!!

About Bigs Dogs..Thats what i have known and have seen and i mean seen and do own,will continue to have as my best friends. I have families, friends with them as well.

The practise is wrong and doesn't cause any in balance according to you!! Can we also start docking St Benards as well!

Its all wrong!!!

I can't believe you just said that!!!
What do they know about dogs? And what regulatory bodies they have OMG, you dey this earth at all?

smileysmiles:



So dockin aids balance?

Now lets analyse this. 

What's the main purpose of the tails? Communication, balance( when running), navigation(when swiming). 

Now imaging a boerboel owner, I use boerboel cos it's the only breed I can vouch for.  How many times does his boerboel run or swim? How many times does he even take his dog for walks? Then what is the dog balancing? 

When the dog is not running and the tail is wagging briskly, what do you think will happen to stability? ‎

Most dogs are show quality dogs, modified for certain purposes. And ill put it to you, why don't you keep a local dog if you need a natural dog? 
Why keeping genetically modified dogs?
‎
Are local dogs not healthier? 
Needless the vaccines and deworming. 
‎
A woman decides to pierce her ears alone and another decides to pierce both her ear, nose, mouth, Nipplez, tongue, eyes. And you're pointing fingers. 

The truth is, you're just being a typical Nigerian who leaves the facts and pressing issues to face the issue everyone is talking about, which is irrelevant. No offence. How many times have you heard a dog die of tail docking? 

More dogs die of vaccination and starvation in this country and all we can talk about is docking. 
‎
AKC still supports tail docking and ears cropping. 
According to wikipedia, 
"The AKC position is that ear cropping and tail docking are "acceptable practices integral to defining and preserving breed character and/or enhancing good health""

In conclusion, the fact that dogs have been modified give room for further modification. Right or wrong, it's your dog! It's never imposed. ‎

maxtum:
Culled from "gbl01 at 8:15am:-Now re-read my post, do it slowly this time.the clock on your brain might sync properly then.

But just incase...i don copy paste again.

The RSPCA is opposed to the cosmetic tail docking of dogs because the procedure is unnecessary and compromises the welfare of dogs. In 2004, tail docking for non-therapeutic reasons was banned across Australia. Since then it has been illegal to dock dogs’ tails unless there is a veterinary medical reason for the operation. Only qualified veterinarians are permitted to carry out the surgery, whereas before the ban, tail docking could be carried out by anyone classified as an ‘experienced breeder.’ All previously docked breeds can now compete at dog shows with full tails, so there is absolutely no reason for any dog's tail to be docked unless they were born prior to 2004 or have damaged their tail in some way.

Then.... this the POINT to rest this...

The few remaining advocates of tail docking give a range of unconvincing explanations to defend their views. For instance, they say that some heavy coated breeds need to have their tails docked for hygiene reasons (even though many undocked breeds have thick coats and regular care is all that is necessary to maintain good hygiene). Another explanation is that docking prevents tail damage in hunting dogs. But most docked puppies are kept as family pets and are never used for hunting and research has shown that docking does not reduce tail injury in the general dog population. Furthermore, many breeds of hunting dogs do not have docked tails, and the length of the tail in docked breeds varies according to the breed standard. The excuses put forward to support tail docking are plainly unfounded. There is simply no excuse for reviving this painful tradition.

I don't believe in culling Posts in a discussion like this. Let's all speak from experience. Thank you

Now they'll leave the thread for arcbay, smileysmiles and prodeegee.

Signs out!

@ Arcbay....Maybe i just dropped from the sky....Will check again and revert which part of the planet i dropped from!

Abeg which govern dog body dey for SA again? i need help on this? maybe i should drag RSPCA into our nairaland matter!

Because i don dey hear SA too much on dog matters! and for record purpose can i get a certified certificate from a dog breeder in SA where the it states they or some (Dogs) were originally from SA without import?

The fact that most people get there dogs from SA doesn't and i mean doesn't mean they originated from SA. The importation of dogs into SA is more easier and less stress thats why you see more breeders pass through the port.

I took out time with a breeder...Revolution kernel to visit breeders in 4 countries and they showed proof of different certification of there breed. Just the other day i watched on CNN about a breeder that has the biggest Pitbul in the states and off we went. lo and behold i had no other option than to book for a litter after showing us the original parent certifications on both dogs! Called Dark Dynasty

That same dogs litter for now that i know of is spread around the world and not even one in Africa yet! but it much more easy to get that dog into SA than Nigeria without stress( cost of shipping, doc vet etc).

For now i rest my case till we get a certified governing dog body in Nigeria and we hope "Sai Buhari Government" will help!

maxtum:
@ Arcbay....Maybe i just dropped from the sky....Will check again and revert which part of the planet i dropped from!

Abeg which govern dog body dey for SA again? i need help on this? maybe i should drag RSPCA into our nairaland matter!

Because i don dey hear SA too much on dog matters! and for record purpose can i get a certified certificate from a dog breeder in SA where the it states they or some (Dogs) were originally from SA without import?

The fact that most people get there dogs from SA doesn't and i mean doesn't mean they originated from SA. The importation of dogs into SA is more easier and less stress thats why you see more breeders pass through the port.

I took out time with a breeder...Revolution kernel to visit breeders in 4 countries and they showed proof of different certification of there breed. Just the other day i watched on CNN about a breeder that has the biggest Pitbul in the states and off we went. lo and behold i had no other option than to book for a litter after showing us the original parent certifications on both dogs! Called Dark Dynasty

That same dogs litter for now that i know of is spread around the world and not even one in Africa yet! but it much more easy to get that dog into SA than Nigeria without stress( cost of shipping, doc vet etc).

For now i rest my case till we get a certified governing dog body in Nigeria and we hope "Sai Buhari Government" will help!

Ah! This case is so closed. Arcbay abeg go sleep. No even bother comment.‎

ok... i heard AKC and thank God google is just a click away....

nfluence of kennel clubs[edit]
Critics point out that kennel clubs with breed standards that do not make allowance for uncropped or undocked dogs put pressure on owners and breeders to continue the practice. Although the American Kennel Club (AKC) says that it has no rules that require docking or that make undocked animals ineligible for the show ring,[6] standards for many breeds put undocked animals at a disadvantage for the conformation show ring. The American breed standard for boxers, for example, recommends that an undocked tail be "severely penalized."[7]

The AKC position is that ear cropping and tail docking are "acceptable practices integral to defining and preserving breed character and/or enhancing good health,"[8] even though the practice is currently opposed by the American Veterinary Medical Association.[9]

link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_(dog)