Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael Movement to Mecca

Ibn Abbas narrated:

"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was suckling him, to a place near the
Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. [/b]Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! [b]Where are you going,
leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy,
nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her.
Then she asked him: "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes". She said: "Then He will not
neglect us." and she returned (to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way.
On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him, Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising
both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Thy Sacred
House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer: so fill the hearts of some among
men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they may give thanks." [Surah Ibrahim 14 :37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

The salient points here are:

1. Abraham led Hagai and her son, Ishmael to Mecca and went back to Israel by allahh's order without looking back.
At that time there was nobody, no building, nothing was on ground. Since Abraham left immediately without looking back by allah's order, how can it be justified that he stayed there to build Kaaba. He had to stay there to be able to build Kaaba because Ishmael who joined him in the building was still sucking at the time.

2. Abraham could not have gone back to Mecca, having been ordered by allahh not to look back.

3. Quran confirms there was no messenger in Mecca prior to the coming of Muhammad: But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners ([Quran 34:44]). It means Abraham was a prophet (messenger), not in Arabia but Israel.

Therefore Kaaba could not have built by Abraham who was not there, but Meccan pagans for their idols. Why did Muhammad convert it to house of alllahh if he (allahh) was not an idol.

Oro pesi je o!

They will soon come up with long irrelevant copy and paste passages to derail this topic.

truthman2012:
Oro pesi je o!

the Truth is always true.

Ovacoma:
They will soon come up with long irrelevant copy and paste passages to derail this topic.

I think this is beyond any of their lying rebuttals. Anyway, let's wait and see.

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Why Abraham would leave Israel to travel 900 miles is ridiculous.
Ishmael even attended his burial which means he was not 900 miles away.
Ishmael married an Egyptian which means Arabs are descendants of the Copts

Zam zam well was dug up about 100 years before the prophet of Islam.
Islam just don't make sense.

Try some thinking.
Is there any mention of Abraham traveling to Mecca ANYWHERE outside and before Quran?

Allah was a not so clever fiction writer


Cc Ifeann

truthman2012:
Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael Movement to Mecca

Ibn Abbas narrated:

"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was suckling him, to a place near the
Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. [/b]Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! [b]Where are you going,
leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy,
nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her.
Then she asked him: "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes". She said: "Then He will not
neglect us." and she returned (to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way.
On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him, Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising
both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Thy Sacred
House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer: so fill the hearts of some among
men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they may give thanks." [Surah Ibrahim 14 :37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

The salient points here are:

1. Abraham led Hagai and her son, Ishmael to Mecca and went back to Israel by allahh's order without looking back.
At that time there was nobody, no building, nothing was on ground. Since Abraham left immediately without looking back by allah's order, how can it be justified that he stayed there to build Kaaba. He had to stay there to be able to build Kaaba because Ishmael who joined him in the building was still sucking at the time.

2. Abraham could not have gone back to Mecca, having been ordered by allahh not to look back.

3. Quran confirms there was no messenger in Mecca prior to the coming of Muhammad: But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners ([Quran 34:44]). It means Abraham was a prophet (messenger), not in Arabia but Israel.

Therefore Kaaba could not have built by Abraham who was not there, but Meccan pagans for their idols. Why did Muhammad convert it to house of alllahh if he (allahh) was not an idol.

Truthman2012, Islam does no believe\accept logical reasoning. Thank God their hadith (though I dont believe the story) made it clear that Abraham brought Ishmael, together with his mother, to mecca when Ishmael was still sucking (meaning he is a baby of less that 2yrs), dump them there and left without looking back. When did Abraham then built kabba? How can a man and a boy who is still sucking breastt build kabba?

Islam is a pack of lies.

vooks:
Try some thinking.
Is there any mention of Abraham traveling to Mecca ANYWHERE outside and before Quran?

Allah was a not so clever fiction writer


Cc Ifeann

The illegitimate Arabs what to be associated with Abraham the legitimate father of the Jews so much that they make up stories.

Do u know that Muslims believe that Alexander the great, a pagan, is considered a Muslim, from the hadiths, because in 7th century Arabia his legend was greatly admired. But today we know he was a pagan from historical records and he considered himself a demigod.


The quran itself is a fictitious book, filled with many fallacious claims ...just a bunch of words by a bipolar Mohammed ranting about killing people and punishment from his idol if u don't pledge allegiance to him.

Expect a barrage of long long essay dug from all ancient dirty fictions across desert carmel and donkey loving murderers from our regular suspect wielding a sharp dagger plus a loaded AK 47 shouting Religion of PEACE but need blood to prove it!!

It's natural to lie. AL-TAQQIYA

ZKOSOSO:
Expect a barrage of long long essay dug from all ancient dirty fictions across desert carmel and donkey loving murderers from our regular suspect wielding a sharp dagger plus a loaded AK 47 shouting Religion of PEACE but need blood to prove it!!

It's natural to lie. AL-TAQQIYA

This got me laughing. We are still expecting a barrage of a very long, borring and uninteligent response from the members of the muslim brotherhoods.

The question is: WHO BUILT KABBA?

The op is soo simple to understand,where are the muslims? If the muslims say Abraham remain in Arab to build the kaaba it mean Abraham disobeyed Allah command,how can a house which is build on the foundation of disobedient be called a house of God? I pray this satanic spell be cast out of this muslims.

true2god:
Truthman2012, Islam does no believe\accept logical reasoning. Thank God their hadith (though I dont believe the story) made it clear that Abraham brought Ishmael, together with his mother, to mecca when Ishmael was still sucking (meaning he is a baby of less that 2yrs), dump them there and left without looking back. When did Abraham then built kabba? How can a man and a boy who is still sucking breastt build kabba?

Islam is a pack of lies.

Rational.

Ifeann:

The illegitimate Arabs what to be associated with Abraham the legitimate father of the Jews so much that they make up stories.

Do u know that Muslims believe that Alexander the great, a pagan, is considered a Muslim, from the hadiths, because in 7th century Arabia his legend was greatly admired. But today we know he was a pagan from historical records and he considered himself a demigod.


The quran itself is a fictitious book, filled with many fallacious claims ...just a bunch of words by a bipolar Mohammed ranting about killing people and punishment from his idol if u don't pledge allegiance to him.

Facts undisputable.

malvisguy212:
The op is soo simple to understand,where are the muslims? If the muslims say Abraham remain in Arab to build the kaaba it mean Abraham disobeyed Allah command,how can a house which is build on the foundation of disobedient be called a house of God? I pray this satanic spell be cast out of this muslims.

Good. That is why muslims have nothing to say.

But will muslims continue to worship allahh after they have discovered is an idol?

true2god:
This got me laughing. We are still expecting a barrage of a very long, borring and uninteligent response from the members of the muslim brotherhoods.

The question is: WHO BUILT KABBA?

Who is this ALLAH?

truthman2012:


Good. That is why muslims have nothing to say.

But will muslims continue to worship allahh after they have discovered is an idol?

pride is like a disease mix with arrogance, they know all this but will never admits it. Some years back when emir of kano son convert to Christianity, ours church is among the churches he visit,he says most of this imam and Alfa are encounting Jesus, but they don't want to say it to there people. Broad is the way that lead to death, many will go in there.

malvisguy212:
pride is like a disease mix with arrogance, they know all this but will never admits it. Some years back when emir of kano son convert to Christianity, ours church is among the churches he visit,he says most of this imam and Alfa are encounting Jesus, but they don't want to say it to there people. Broad is the way that lead to death, many will go in there.

Since they know the truth but abhoring it, they are to be pitied. Jesus said it would have been better such people were not born.

truthman2012:


Since they know the truth but abhoring it, they are to be pitied. Jesus said it would have been better such people were not born.

exactly my brother,woe to the world because of offence,offence will come but woe to that man who cometh from, it is better such man is not born. God bless you.

truthman2012:


Who is this ALLAH?

a moon god of meccans

ZKOSOSO:
Expect a barrage of long long essay dug from all ancient dirty fictions across desert carmel and donkey loving murderers from our regular suspect wielding a sharp dagger plus a loaded AK 47 shouting Religion of PEACE but need blood to prove it!!

It's natural to lie. AL-TAQQIYA

Islam is built around kaaba, hundreds of thousands go around it every year, millions face and bow to it each day, their dead bodies must face mecca when buried. Allah lives in there, the black stone they love, kiss, caress, worship and bow to is in there, yet, Muslims have no full idea of the origin of this shrine! Pathetic!

why didn't you complete the hadith

tartar9:
why didn't you complete the hadith

complete it and let's see if it makes any difference.

Ovacoma:

Islam is built around kaaba, hundreds of thousands go around it every year, millions face and bow to it each day, their dead bodies must face mecca when buried. Allah lives in there, the black stone they love, kiss, caress, worship and bow to is in there, yet, Muslims have no full idea of the origin of this shrine! Pathetic!

Abeg they know the origin, only they are too embarrassed to admit to inheriting it from pagans

Full stop!!

Ovacoma:
Full stop!!

Na so ma broda!

There is no refuting the TRUTH.

This thread has achieved something: Each time muslims face Kaaba saying 'allahu akbar', something will prick their conscience that they have been taught they are worshiping an arabian idol.

According to my research on ancient arabic religion I found out that the arabic name for God is Illah. Allah means 'The god' and have a wife called Allat, a goddess in ancient arabic. This Allah was the arabian most popular god and uses the crescent moon as his sacred symbol. The father of Mohammed is a priest to this god, hence his name Abdullah, meaning servant of Allah ( servant of the god). The question to moslems now is, why do mohammed father know about allah even when the name have not been revealed to mohammed? The answer is because Allah was their chief god before mohammed converted it to the god of islam and claimed it is the same god with that of the Christians after destroying all knowledge of Allat.

truthman2012:
Oro pesi je o!

No words coming from the muslims.

You had better thrown your quran away as you now realize allahh is a Meccan idol.

You are welcome to the kingdom of the true God.

@ truthman, may God give ya wisdom and understanding
D likes of rilwayne001 empiree abuamam tartar9 tola9ja 9jaforlife re jst deceiving demselves
Dey wil not come near dis thread cos dey no dat allahh has bin defeated
MuhamMAD was a mad troll and a plague

SHARIAREPORTERS:
@ truthman, may God give ya wisdom and understanding
D likes of rilwayne001 empiree abuamam tartar9 tola9ja 9jaforlife re jst deceiving demselves
Dey wil not come near dis thread cos dey no dat allahh has bin defeated
MuhamMAD was a mad troll and a plague

allahh, an arabian god shall be defeated permanently as the Lord lives.

SHARIAREPORTERS:
@ truthman, may God give ya wisdom and understanding
D likes of rilwayne001 empiree abuamam tartar9 tola9ja 9jaforlife re jst deceiving demselves
Dey wil not come near dis thread cos dey no dat allahh has bin defeated
MuhamMAD was a mad troll and a plague

Oremussanctus my lad. We missed you. How now?