On the 9th of may 2015, i saw this interesting topic on nairaland by walspring titled; Reasons why you must not go to Hell fire. I decided to read through. After all that was written and read about Hell. In the first page i saw this comment by thehomer 12:06pm on the same day. He said: "If heaven is where the monster who created hell is, maybe i'd rather go to hell. In hell, there will be thinkers like myself. There may be shouting but the shouts may be vigorous debates" Another comment by MIzMYCOLi: 11:19am on may 10. She said: "waow, that God the Op just described is scary, it must be my devil"
I was cut to the heart!

My impression.

God is as real as that man or woman you see walking on the street. Hell is as real as the sun, moon and the stars.
Over the years, Hell fire has been a very difficult concept for many to accept, including myself. People kept asking if God is so loving why will he allow people to burn in hell?. God is a God of holiness and justice as well as a God of of love. Consider this carefully. From the beginning of the history of the human race, God has expected obedience and acceptance of his word from all of his creation as absolute truth. Before God made man.
1. God created the angels.
2. God made a place of suffering-Hell.
3. God placed Hell as a price on sin if the angels sinned.
4. The angels were fully warned.
5. One-third of those angels sinned.
6. God had no choice but to do what he said he would do.
7. God made man.
8. Satan came to man and wanted to drag man to the hell where he was going.
9. Satan persuaded man to do what he had done and commit the same sin he had committed.
10. The price had already been set.
11. God had to let man go to hell, though hell was not prepared for man. (matthew 25:41)

The Solution.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life (John 3:16).
God was willing to break up the God head for 33years so that man could be freed!
The lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance (2 peter 3:9). Now you have one choice out of two, accept Jesus christ as your lord an saviour and go to heaven or don't accept and go to Hell.

Tjayjosh:

8. Satan came to man and wanted to drag man to the hell where he was going.

Please stop this blasphemy.

sonOfLucifer:
Please stop this blasphemy.

It is the truth.

@op in these games you are a learner. I can see that you just join nairaland about six months ago. Durring the early days of nairaland we have to argue back and forth with people like bigurban mazaje rossiki thedone et al trying to convince them that God is a loving God and not a monster. Using logical conclusions for they will never touch the bible with a long pole. It was a serious fight back then with no clear winner

2cato:
@op in these games you are a learner. I can see that you just join nairaland about six months ago. Durring the early days of nairaland we have to argue back and forth with people like bigurban mazaje rossiki thedone et al trying to convince them that God is a loving God and not a monster. Using logical conclusions for they will never touch the bible with a long pole. It was a serious fight back then with no clear winner

I've been in the game way too long. Am here to defend God's honour.

Tjayjosh:

I've been in the game way too long. Am here to defend God's honour.

U aint defendin God , you are defendin satan . Only Devil will be wicked to d extent of burning his creations alive forever .

Nobody begs God to create him/her , why cant he just return them to the non - existent from which he bought them ?

MizJanet:


U aint defendin God , you are defendin satan . Only Devil will be wicked to d extent of burning his creations alive forever .

Nobody begs God to create him/her , why cant he just return them to the non - existent from which he bought them ?

Think about the moments of peace, love, and joy in your life, isn't life worth living? Wouldn't you want to have more of it? If you know the real reason God created you. You'd never think what just said. Come closer to God he wants to have a relationship with you, in him you'll find all the answers you've be yearning for.

Tjayjosh:

Think about the moments of peace, love, and joy in your life, isn't life worth living? Wouldn't you want to have more of it? If you know the real reason God created you. You'd never think what just said. Come closer to God he wants to have a relationship with you, in him you'll find all the answers you've be yearning for.

Who says life is not good ? Read btw d lines , my point is RATHER than burn them forever , why cant he just return them to their former non existin status ?


Beside u urself invitin me to know God , do u know him ? Okay that god with 3 heads right ?

MizJanet:


Who says life is not good ? Read btw d lines , my point is RATHER than burn them forever , why cant he just return them to their former non existin status ?


Beside u urself invitin me to know God , do u know him ? Okay that god with 3 heads right ?

God does not burn anybody in hell. God gave us free will. Going to heaven or hell is a choice we all have to make, there is a provision, a chance for heaven through Jesus christ, if only you'd believe. Yes i know God. If i say don't then am a lier. God does not have three heads. Let me ask you. Can water take 3 different form? Do you know humans are triune, with spirit, soul and body. Why can't God exist in distinct (not separate) but interrelated and completely unified persons: Father, son and the holy spirit.

Tjayjosh:

God does not burn anybody in hell.

Who create it then ?

God gave us free will.

What about destiny ?

Going to heaven or hell is a choice we all have to make,

Choice ? What about predestination and destiny ?

there is a provision, a chance for heaven through Jesus christ, if only you'd believe.

Through Jesus ? Hop u know ur fellows , muslims claim they gain heaven without Jesus.

Funny enough the jews that killed Jesus also preach that Abraham and isaac their forefathers ascend to heaven without Jesus even dyin

How do u reconcile this ?

Yes i know God. If i say don't then am a lier. God does not have three heads. Let me ask you. Do you know humans are triune, with spirit, soul and body. Why can't God exist in distinct (not separate) but interrelated and completely unified persons: Father, son and the holy spirit.

Distinct but not separate, are u confuse ?

MizJanet:

Who create it then ?



What about destiny ?



Choice ? What about predestination and destiny ?



Through Jesus ? Hop u know ur fellows , muslims claim they gain heaven without Jesus.

Funny enough the jews that killed Jesus also preach that Abraham and isaac their forefathers ascend to heaven without Jesus even dyin

How do u reconcile this ?



Distinct but not separate, are u confuse ?

God created hell. Hell was not created for humanity. Read (matthew 25:41) Those who spend eternity in hell, do so because they rejected God's love and his provision for salvation. Nobody is destined to go to hell, the bible says: God is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2 peter 3:9). The bible says that Abraham was justified by faith. God saw and accepted Abraham as a model of the kind of obedience that proves a person's true faith in God (Romans 1:5; 16:26). Abraham had made a sincere effort to live by God's laws and commands. Because of this, God blessed him. Isaac and Jacob had to follow Abraham's example of faith and obedience if they hoped to have a relationship with God and recieve his covenant promises. This is still true for believers today.

Tjayjosh:

God created hell. Hell was not created for humanity. Read (matthew 25:41) Those who spend eternity in hell, do so because they rejected God's love and his provision for salvation. Nobody is destined to go to hell, the bible says: God is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2 peter 3:9).

Perish means what ?

God saw and accepted Abraham as a model of the kind of obedience that proves a person's true faith in God (Romans 1:5; 16:26). Abraham had made a sincere effort to live by God's laws and commands. Because of this, God blessed him. Isaac and Jacob had to follow Abraham's example of faith and obedience if they hoped to have a relationship This is still true for believers today.

Lol , That Shows the jews are right ,if Abraham doesnt need jesus to b saved , this is true for belivers today .

is he even listening to all y'all ramblings.. think of it .. seriously. does he even give a shithole

God is a bass tarred

MizJanet:


Perish means what ?


Lol , That Shows the jews are right ,if Abraham doesnt need jesus to b saved , this is true for belivers today .

Do not harden your heart. God really loves you! Like i said Abraham was justified by faith in God. God's promises to and blessings on Abraham go beyond his physical descendants. The promises include all who accept and follow Jesus christ, who is the true "seed" of Abraham (Gal 3:14, 16). Because Abraham's faith resulted in obedience, he is the foremost example of true saving faith-the kind that pleases God and allows a person to have a relationship with him. Jesus christ is the only way to father (John 14:6) Some of the jews failed to realise this.

voltron:
is he even listening to all y'all ramblings.. think of it .. seriously. does he even give a shithole

God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. He knows and care about everything that we do.

Tjayjosh:

Do not harden your heart. God really loves you! Like i said Abraham was justified by faith in God. God's promises to and blessings on Abraham go beyond his physical descendants. The promises include all who accept and follow Jesus christ, who is the true "seed" of Abraham (Gal 3:14, 16). Because Abraham's faith resulted in obedience, he is the foremost example of true saving faith-the kind that pleases God and allows a person to have a relationship with him. Jesus christ is the only way to father (John 14:6) Some of the jews failed to realise this.

, Abraham was saved without Jesus , Yes or no ?

MizJanet:

, Abraham was saved without Jesus , Yes or no ?

Abraham was saved through Jesus christ.

Tjayjosh:

Abraham was saved through Jesus christ.

Are u kidding , do they knew each other ?

MizJanet:


Are u kidding , do they knew each other ?

In (John 8:56-58). Jesus said: "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and was glad." Then the jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"
58. Jesus said to them, "Most assurdly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

Tjayjosh:

In (John 8:56-58). Jesus said: "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day , and he saw it and was glad."

" to see my day" ! Lol , he didnt see it

Another bible contradiction ? Abraham see Jesus day MEANWHILE abraham has died many years ago

Then the jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"
58. Jesus said to them, "Most assurdly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

I think ur bible versions are crazy, original greek doesnt diferentiate btw capital and small letters like thay hav done above. Is this hw dey deceive u guys with ur edited bible versions .

MizJanet:

" to see my day" ! Lol , he didnt see it

Another bible contradiction ? Abraham see Jesus day MEANWHILE abraham has died many years ago



I think ur bible versions are crazy, original greek doesnt diferentiate btw capital and small letters like thay hav done above. Is this hw dey deceive u guys with ur edited bible versions .

No matter what i say to you, you'd never believe. You have a carnal mind. "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. (Romans 8:7).

Tjayjosh:

No matter what i say to you, you'd never believe. You have a carnal mind. "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. (Romans 8:7).

Ur own bible hav been exposin ur lies, There is nothin carnal here .
Carnal means " relatin to the physical, expecially regardin sexual appetite" , none of those discussin on this thread says anythin about focusin d mind on carnal desires .

In other words, u lost d case .

MizJanet:

Ur own bible hav been exposin ur lies, There is nothin carnal here .
Carnal means " relatin to the physical, expecially regardin sexual appetite" , none of those discussin on this thread says anythin about focusin d mind on carnal desires .

In other words, u lost d case .

I was never competing, i was only trying correct an impression. It clearly shows that you have made up your mind even before our discussion. I can only pray for you to repent while there is still time.

most people where just thought the wrong version of God.....i dont blame them, they just refused to find out the truth for them selves..the idea of heaven and hell was to keep people in check..and make humans governable..God never made those place for humans to live, now or later..this earth is for us and when out time comes we exit the stage...our perogative should be for us to live on our own terms. not anybody forcing us out....

@tartar9. What is the point of the whole thing you just wrote?

Tjayjosh:
On the 9th of may 2015, i saw this interesting topic on nairaland by walspring titled; Reasons why you must not go to Hell fire. I decided to read through. After all that was written and read about Hell. In the first page i saw this comment by thehomer 12:06pm on the same day. He said: "If heaven is where the monster who created hell is, maybe i'd rather go to hell. In hell, there will be thinkers like myself. There may be shouting but the shouts may be vigorous debates" Another comment by MIzMYCOLi: 11:19am on may 10. She said: "waow, that God the Op just described is scary, it must be my devil"
I was cut to the heart!

My impression.

God is as real as that man or woman you see walking on the street. Hell is as real as the sun, moon and the stars.

If God is as real as all the things you mentioned and we can see those things you mentioned, why can't we see your God? Why is he hiding?

Tjayjosh:

Over the years, Hell fire has been a very difficult concept for many to accept, including myself. People kept asking if God is so loving why will he allow people to burn in hell?. God is a God of holiness and justice as well as a God of of love. Consider this carefully. From the beginning of the history of the human race, God has expected obedience and acceptance of his word from all of his creation as absolute truth. Before God made man.

Hell is not justice by any reasonable standard.

Tjayjosh:

1. God created the angels.
2. God made a place of suffering-Hell.
3. God placed Hell as a price on sin if the angels sinned.
4. The angels were fully warned.
5. One-third of those angels sinned.
6. God had no choice but to do what he said he would do.
7. God made man.
8. Satan came to man and wanted to drag man to the hell where he was going.
9. Satan persuaded man to do what he had done and commit the same sin he had committed.
10. The price had already been set.
11. God had to let man go to hell, though hell was not prepared for man. (matthew 25:41)

Those angels saw and met God. God knew even before he created humans that most of them would end up in hell. God doesn't have to torture humans forever.

Tjayjosh:

The Solution.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life (John 3:16).
God was willing to break up the God head for 33years so that man could be freed!
The lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance (2 peter 3:9). Now you have one choice out of two, accept Jesus christ as your lord an saviour and go to heaven or don't accept and go to Hell.

That is not a solution because all sorts of questions can be and have been raised about Jesus and the New Testament gospels. God lost nothing. 33 years is nothing to an eternal being. If you think 33 years is significant how about the 2000 years after? Like I said, your God knows most people would be going to hell so the line about everyone coming to repentance is just noise. Accepting Jesus doesn't mean you'll go to heaven. In fact, most Christians will be going to hell too. Thanks for your offer. I'll take my chances.

thehomer

hell is not justifiable by any reasonable standard

No intelligent person can belive in that crap called ' hell' .

acceptin Jesus doesnt mean you 'll go to heaven .

Dont mind them , which jesus ar they even accepting ? Lol they see it as just a license to sin everyday. Let me explain : they will tell u that those who belive in jesus cannot sin , what comes to your mind ? Yeah, you start think they ar saints , are they ? No . what they meant is that once they belive, they can sin without any guilt , no mater how much they sin it wont be counted lol , a license to sin

the hallowed scriptures has the answers about the biblical god; EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people. EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly. EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men. LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before your sword." LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children." LE 26:29 , DT 28:53 , JE 19:9 , EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends. LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG 11:30-39 ) NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great plague. NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven days because she and Aaron had spoken against Moses. NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at the Lord's command. NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open and swallow up the men and their households (including wives and children) because the men had been rebellious. NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men. NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people. NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the Canaanites. NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill many Israelites. NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until there was not one survivor left ...." NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses, take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun ...." NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly." NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord. NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women and children. NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's command, orders the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (Note: How would it be determined which women had known men? One can only speculate.) NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord. DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Sihon. DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Og. DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat. DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves." DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes." DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives. If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go. DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you." JS 1:1-9 , 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing for all the bloody endeavors to follow. JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua destroys the city of Jericho--men, women, and children--with the edge of the sword. JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are stoned to death because Achan had taken a taboo thing. JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men and women, so that there were none who escaped. JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua utterly destroys the Gibeonites. JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Makkedah. JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Libnahites. JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Lachish. JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Eglonites. JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Hebronites. JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Debirites. JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua defeated the whole land ...; he left none remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded." JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung. (Exceedingly cruel.) JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand of Israel, ...utterly destroying them; there was none left that breathed ...." JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden their hearts that they should come against Israel in battle, in order that they should be utterly destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses." JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim. JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats 10,000 Canaanites at Bezek. JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his thumbs and big toes. JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites Jerusalem. JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who inhabited Zephath. JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites. JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an oxgoad. JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the ground. JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites, slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring the heads back to Gideon. JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of Penuel. JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers. JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people in the city. JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his servant ran him through, and he died." JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved daughter, his only child, according to a vow he has made with the Lord. JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a man and causes him to slay thirty men. JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass. JG 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's eyes. JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord, pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and causes his own death and that of 3000 other men and women. JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and unsuspecting people of Laish. JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old man's house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead, the old man offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so vile a thing." The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of Israel. JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and beasts and all that they found," and set their towns on fire. JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred young virgins whom they bring back for their own use. 1SA 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot soldiers. 1SA 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts the Philistines with tumors in their "secret parts," presumably for having stolen the Ark. 1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's abode.) 1SA 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the Philistines. 1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his men cut down the Ammonites. 1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the Philistines. 1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites. 1SA 15:3 , 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword." 1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the Lord ...." 1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry: "Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten thousands." 1SA 27:8-11 "David left neither man nor woman alive ....". (Note: This implies that children and infants were included in the slaughter.) 1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites. 2SA 2:23 Abner kills Asahel. 2SA 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner. 2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth, behead him, and take his head to David. 2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed, their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies hanged by the pool at Hebron. 2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded him, and smote the Philistines ...." 2SA 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having exposed himself, Michal (David's wife) was barren throughout her life. 2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's murderous conquests.) 2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the horses. 2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians. 2SA 8:6 , 14 "The Lord gave victory to David wherever he went." 2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the valley of salt and made the rest slaves. 2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians. 2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba. 2SA 12:1 , 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead for the sin that David has committed. 2SA 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes her, then hates her. 2SA 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered. 2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the battle in the forest of Ephraim. 2SA 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom. 2SA 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and leave him "... wallowing in his own blood in the highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him, stopped." 2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel that kills 70,000 men. 1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered. 1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered. 1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered. 1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating bread and drinking water in a place where the Lord had previously told him not to. This is in spite of the fact that the man had subsequently been lied to by a prophet who told the man that an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright to eat and drink there. 1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000 remaining Syrians. 2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes fifty men. 2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God, for having jeered at a man of God. 2KI 5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his descendants forever with leprosy. 2KI 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and strikes the Syrians with blindness. Elisha tricks the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria. 2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him." 2KI 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram. 2KI 9:27 Jehu has Ahaziah killed. 2KI 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands remain. 2KI 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded, then sends the heads to their father. 2KI 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed. 2KI 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he had wiped them out, according to the word of the Lord ...." 2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the Baal worshippers. 2KI 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family. 2KI 14:5 , 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then 10,000 Edomites. 2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with leprosy for not having removed the "high places." 2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women who were pregnant. 2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men. 1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes." 2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered. 2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers. PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your little ones against the stones. PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains hands for war and fingers for battle. IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished." IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children." IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers." IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to become drunk on their own blood as with wine. JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth." LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off than those who die of famine; racked with hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ... pitiful women have cooked their own children, who became their food ..." EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the sword, famine and plague. He that is far away will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall by the sword, and he that survives and is spared will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the people lie slain among their idols around their altars, on every high hill and on all the mountaintops, under every spreading tree and every leafy oak ...." EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women ...." EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of their first-born children. EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall go against all flesh. EZ 23:25 , 47 God is going to slay the sons and daughters of those who were whores. EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and tear your breasts." HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron." MT 3:12 , 8:12 , 10:21 , 13:30 , 42, 22:13 , 24:51 , 25:30 , LK 13:28 , JN 5:24 Some will spend eternity burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his brother to death, and the father his child, ... children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." MT 10:35-36 "For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own family." MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not sufficiently impressed with his great works. AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man

thehomer:


If God is as real as all the things you mentioned and we can see those things you mentioned, why can't we see your God? Why is he hiding?



Hell is not justice by any reasonable standard.



Those angels saw and met God. God knew even before he created humans that most of them would end up in hell. God doesn't have to torture humans forever.



That is not a solution because all sorts of questions can be and have been raised about Jesus and the New Testament gospels. God lost nothing. 33 years is nothing to an eternal being. If you think 33 years is significant how about the 2000 years after? Like I said, your God knows most people would be going to hell so the line about everyone coming to repentance is just noise. Accepting Jesus doesn't mean you'll go to heaven. In fact, most Christians will be going to hell too. Thanks for your offer. I'll take my chances.

You asked. Why can't we see God? Why is he hiding?
In Job 13:24, job pleads before God in light of the crisis he was in and suggests that God had distanced himself from him. In isaiah 45:15, isaiah observes that God hide himself from his people at times because of their sin.
3 REASONS FOR GOD'S HIDDENNESS.

1. Hidden for our protection.
Perhaps God hides because of how his presence would affect us. We know that if a man sees God fully, he will surely die (Exodus 33:18-20) and we also see example, like that of isaiah of those who stand in the presence of God and are utterly "ruine" by his holy and glorious presence.
2. HIDDEN FOR THE SAKE OF RELATIONSHIP.
God may hide because he wants a particular kind of relationship with us. What would be the effects of experiencing the fullness of God's presence in our daily live? Would we still have free will?
God hides because he wants us to obey him out of our love for him, not because we are pressured into it or because He's standing over our shoulder ensuring everything we do is perfect. His hiding could be his way of giving us more freedom to choose to obey him.
3. HIDDEN SO WE MIGHT SEEK HIM.
Moreover, let's remember that God is a personal being who loves us. Rather than being constantly overwhelmed by his presence, maybe God wants to give us the opportunity to really long for and seek after him.
Someone once said that God doesn't always put his cookies on the lower shelf. What he meant by that was that God sometimes puts the sweetest things in life, like being in his presence, at a higher reach to make sure that those who find him really want him. Of course, scripture teaches us that no one seeks after God if left to themselves (Romans 3:11), but because God sought us he gave us the ability to affectionately seek after him.
IF HELL IS JUSTIFIABLE PUNISHMENT?
Like i said before: Hell was never ever made for man. Hell was made for the angels. God gave us his commandments. He he also gave us freewill like the angels. You a have choice. If you go to hell, it is because you choose to. Why do you get punished if you commit a crime in a society today? In some countries if you are caught on account of corruption, the penalty is death. And let me tell you this. We are alive today because of that 33yrs christ stayed on earth. Because of that you have a chance of spending eternity with God.