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| Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Misanthrope: 12:43pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
It is considered a taboo by our society and culture,it is illegal in even the most developed countries in the world. We have people advocating for gay rights, black rights and other minorities, but no body seems to be standing up for, and Support this suicide of a thing. I just want to make a survey on this forum, how many people here thinks it is bad or cowardice for an individual to end his or her life? Before you post your opinions, remember that, the said individual involved, did not ask to be born, if life is becoming too much of a task for him, if his or her life is deluged with too much sorrows and sadness, so much rejection and plight, if this individual stands up and wipe his tears, to say goodbye to life, are you going to call him or her a weak person? Are you going to label them a coward? Is suicide wrong? Now, another individual, devoid of all physical and psychological pain, stands up and says he wants to commit suicide, that life is a task, we are all prone to get sick and suffer, even if you medically sophisticated enough to circumvent this, you'll still get old and die, that individual lacks interests to all socio-political events that goes on, he sees life as a absurd, decides to put an end to his life like Mitchell Heisman did, what do you have to say about that? What moral views you have concerning suicide?. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Nobody: 12:52pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
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| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Berrypie(f): 12:55pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
Suicide shouldn't be an option. I have towed that line before - the thought - but thank God, I didn't give the devil a chance. It is wrong on all fronts. 3 Likes |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by jnrbayano(m): 12:59pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
Wrong economically Wrong morally Wrong traditionally Wrong criminally Wrong scientifically Wrong socially Wrong psychologically Wrong babalawoically 2 Likes |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by keandre: 12:59pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
Berrypie: damn your sixth sense was at it when you needed it the most |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Berrypie(f): 1:03pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
You bet, yea. keandre: |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Nobody: 1:06pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
Suicide is going against your body's desire to live- a desire you have no control over. Also, you just don't lose the desire to live; something causes it. And that 'something' can always be sorted out. So yes! Suicide is never an option. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Misanthrope: 1:47pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
Thanks for your feedbacks, but then, I think, it's best you substantiate your arguments, I.e, if you feel suicide is wrong, don't just say it, but cement your argument with reasons. Also, make sure your reason(s) are not influenced by culture and social norms, for example. People believe suicide is wrong because of the mental pains and trauma the family members have to go through, hence, they consider it a selfish act. But what about that individual, is it not an act of selfishness for you to want him t o still remain alive and suffer those pains silently? So, the topic of suicide is really deap, you have to come up with a strong argument when dropping opinions. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Nobody: 1:50pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
^^^ contemplating suicide? |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by mrZENographer: 2:44pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
jnrbayano: Today's world morals are abomination in the eyes of God. Like Sodom and Gomorrah. Now a days when talking about moral values ur talking about things contrary to God's righteousness. Women wearing trousers, panting, attachment, other ungodly fashions, legalizing abortion, gay, adultery, violent movies and games etc. Most pastors unknowingly neglect to clear the difference and are encouraging their members into such. Saying it doesn't matter. If ur not going to a church preaching undiluted Holiness a d Righteousness like THE LORD'S CHOSEN, DEEPERLIFE ministries, You better run. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by An2elect2(f): 3:31pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
mrZENographer: I can spot a modern day pharisee from a mile.  you need Christ. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by oluseyiforjesus(m): 3:53pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
Wen u commit suicide na straight to hell,cool down death will come itself. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Appleyard(m): 3:58pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
It is not only morally wrong, but its also criminally wrong. The criminal code criminalized the suicide. Let alone the bible. The bible stance is clearly stated. The Bible mentions six specific people who committed suicide: Abimelech (Judges 9:54), Saul (1 Samuel 31:4), Saul’s armor-bearer (1 Samuel 31:4–6), Ahithophel (2 Samuel 17:23), Zimri (1 Kings 16:18), and Judas (Matthew 27:5). Five of these men were noted for their wickedness (the exception is Saul's armor-bearer—nothing is said of his character). Some consider Samson’s death an instance of suicide, because he knew his actions would lead to his death (Judges 16:26– 31), but Samson's goal was to kill Philistines, not himself. And it was God that tool his life in the sense that, God answered his last prayers and restore his power. So, it was God that actually took him. The Bible views suicide as equal to murder, which is what it is—self-murder. God is the only one who is to decide when and how a person should die. We should say with the psalmist, “My times are in your hands” (Psalm 31:15). God is the giver of life. He gives, and He takes away (Job 1:21). Suicide, the taking of one’s own life, is ungodly because it rejects God’s gift of life. No man or woman should presume to take God’s authority upon themselves to end his or her own life. Some people in Scripture felt deep despair in life. Solomon, in his pursuit of pleasure, reached the point where he “hated life” (Ecclesiastes 2:17). Elijah was fearful and depressed and yearned for death (1 Kings 19:4). Jonah was so angry at God that he wished to die (Jonah 4:  . Even the apostle Paul and his missionarycompanions at one point“were under great pressure, far beyond our ability to endure, so that we despaired of life itself” (2 Corinthians 1: . However, none of these men committed suicide.Solomon learned to “fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind” (Ecclesiastes 12:13). Elijah was comforted by an angel, allowed to rest, and given a new commission. Jonah received admonition and rebuke from God. Paul learned that, although the pressure he faced was beyond his ability to endure, the Lord can bear all things: “This happened that we might not rely on ourselves but on God, who raises the dead" (2Corinthians 1:9). So, according to the Bible, suicide is a sin. It is not the“greatest” sin—it is no worse than other evils, in terms of how God sees it. However, suicide definitely has a deep and lasting impact on those left behind. The painful scars left by a suicide do not heal easily. May God grant His grace to each one who is facing trials today (Psalm 67:1). And may each of us take hope in the promise, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” (Romans 10:13). |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by finofaya: 4:54pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
I don't think suicide is wrong, though some of its consequences are. Details later. The details. It is so tricky to come up with a definition of what is morally wrong that fits every situation. For suicide, I tend to use the same criteria for wrongness that applies for murder and injury. We usually find murder and injury wrong because they interfere with a person's right to life, with the use and management of their body and potentially cause both physical and mental pain and suffering. For suicides there is no interference with another's body. The right to life, like any other right, can be given up. That leaves us with the issue of pain and suffering. Causing pain and suffering is not by itself wrong. You can think of many instances where you would be justified in causing pain and suffering to another person. The question now is whether suicide causes pain and suffering, justifiably. Once the act is completed, the suicide does not suffer. He might have loved ones who would suffer emotionally or financially (kids, e.g.) from his death. It is possible to justify their suffering however, such as in an instance where the suicide is terminally ill or condemned to a life of considerable pain. (You can always argue that the suffering of one is better than the suffering of many.) However, in the event that he doesn't have loved ones, his suicide will not cause any pain or suffering to anyone. What is wrong about this suicide in particular? In both cases, the suicide ranges anywhere from neutral to right, but it could have the consequence of causing unjustifiable pain and suffering. NB. It is an offence punishable with imprisonment to fail to complete a suicide. Do not commit attempted suicide. I am not endorsing suicide. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Nobody: 5:37pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
finofaya: so what makes suicide "not wrong"? |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by wiegraf: 6:02pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
You're a misanthrope, of course you think suicide justifiable That said, yes, I agree there's plenty of selfishness to go all round, to all parties involved. I'll have to return to show why I think so tho... |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by freeradical(m): 8:55pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
Dear Op, suicide is wrong based on the sole fact that the law of God dictates that thou shall not kill. No one can claim to create himself so you have no right to kill yourself as you didn't create yourself in d first place. Now if you want to take this argument a nudge further by claiming unbelief in the christian faith I have this moral question for you to answer....what is morally wrong for me to kill you? |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by finofaya: 8:43am On Jul 18, 2015 |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Misanthrope: 9:04am On Jul 18, 2015 |
freeradical: I refuse to indulge in another atheist versus Christians debate, so as not to derail this thread and flow out of topic. But I find your post rather hilarious, because if I should judge it literally, I would label you a sadist, or rather, a Schadenfreude. Now, you agreed with me that the individual did not ask to be born, he was brought into this would without his consent or permission, if this is the case, then, shouldn't that be enough reason for him to be permitted the Right to Die whenever and however He chooses to? If this your God brought him into a world filled with suffering, a world filled with hate, a world filled with diseases and deaths, and the individual involved have to go through all these endless toiling, just to live, I think, if he says no to this life, and the God insists he must continue, this God must be a sadist and what he or she is doing is worse than Slavery. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Misanthrope: 9:11am On Jul 18, 2015 |
wiegraf: The selfishness is the reason the family, kins, kiths and relatives close to that individual will forbid him or her to end their life, no matter what they say or do, it is always about them, not the pain and suffering this individual is subjected to. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Nobody: 9:46am On Jul 18, 2015 |
finofaya:Suicide is going against your body's desire to live- a desire you have no control over. Also, you just don't lose the desire to live; something causes it. And that 'something' can always be sorted out. So yes! Suicide is never an option. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Nobody: 9:47am On Jul 18, 2015 |
finofaya:Suicide is going against your body's desire to live- a desire you have no control over. Also, you just don't lose the desire to live; something causes it. And that 'something' can always be sorted out. So no! Suicide is never an option. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by finofaya: 10:36am On Jul 18, 2015 |
timonski: I think we are our bodies. When you commit suicide, you do not have a desire to live. If we tow your line and assume that you can have a separate set of desires other than those of your body, we still face the problem of whose desires should prevail between yours and your body's. Usually, dualists value the mind over matter. It is not morally wrong to deny some of your (or your body's) desires. I'm pretty certain you don't always give in to your instinct to reproduce. It is even considered morally right to sometimes leave this desire unfulfilled. The body of a terminally ill cancer patient does not desire to live. Is it at least right for the patient to die by suicide? The "something" that destroys the will to live cannot always be sorted out. Allow me to use the example of the terminally ill patient again. Maybe death is terrifying to think about, but don't take just that into consideration. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Nobody: 10:50am On Jul 18, 2015 |
finofaya:No. The body of patient is still fighting, albeit slowly. We humans have our natural rights. It is immutable and universal. So no one can take away your right to life, bot even you. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by finofaya: 11:32am On Jul 18, 2015 |
timonski: Unless life is a duty, it is only an option. The right to life is for the benefit of the owner. What is your interest in whether the owner chooses to enjoy it or not? Some other universal rights include the right to liberty and the right to own property. Would you then say it is immoral to confine yourself, or to give away everything you own? Would you prevent people from confining themselves, or from giving away all of their property? |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Nobody: 12:09pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
finofaya:. You don't really 'own' property in socialist/communist states. I am talking natural human rights here, the rights one is entitled to by virtue of being "human". |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by finofaya: 12:36pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
timonski: Similarly, suicide is not prohibited in the UK, Ireland and Norway. Case closed? Imagine how messy intellectual property law would be if the right to own property were not a human right. Who would own Achebe's "Things Fall Apart"? Even more fundamentally, without natural property rights who would own the body you inhabit? What is the basis of your claim to it? Anyway, I also mentioned the right to liberty. I didn't get your answer on that. |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Nobody: 1:04pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
finofaya: |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by freeradical(m): 7:09pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
Misanthrope:Bravo for this long epistle which fails to give any answer to the moral question I asked you. Of cos I dnt want to enter another christian vs atheist debacle with u so spare me ut hatred for God and all that. You tag me a sadist for giving u my reason for suicide being wrong....what name will you call yourself for evading that simple moral question.....is it morally wrong for me to kill you? |
| Re: Is It Morally Wrong To Commit Suicide? by Nobody: 10:32am On Jul 19, 2015 |
wiegraf: Hello, wiegraf. |
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