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Re: Society And Atheism by Nobody: 10:19am On Jul 19, 2015 |
afghanistan, sudan, somalia, maldives, yemen, etc are countries where atheism is prohibited as blasphemy and in fact punishable by death in accordance with religious laws. @OP - now please determine for us if those religious laws are good, bad and human lolz! 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Society And Atheism by johnydon22(m): 10:19am On Jul 19, 2015 |
theAtheist101:That too falls within the scope of a moral action and is a very good one 2 Likes |
Re: Society And Atheism by Nobody: 10:23am On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: The constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria! Please get caught while violating it, and prove me wrong! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Society And Atheism by dalaman: 10:26am On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: Who else but human society ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 10:29am On Jul 19, 2015 |
theAtheist101: If you are gay, you should be sentenced to prison term according to the constitution of Nigeria, good or bad? |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 10:35am On Jul 19, 2015 |
dalaman: Human societies isn't homogenous, hence morality isn't? |
Re: Society And Atheism by Nobody: 10:35am On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: if you draw a mohamed cartoon, you will be beheaded according to some religious laws, good or bad? if you don't accept a dead jesus as your lord/master you will burn in fire for eternity, good or bad? 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Society And Atheism by johnydon22(m): 10:41am On Jul 19, 2015 |
MrPresident:lol...you should have answered him directly bro. According to the constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria, engaging in homosexual acts are BAD actions against the state and incures 14years prison term. . . And thats just about it, its bad to the state, so as citizen of it you are bound to be obedient to this law until maybe in the nearest future it changes 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Society And Atheism by dalaman: 10:42am On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: That is why as an American I have the right to bear fire arm and I can kill you with my gun if I fear for my life and not be charged but in Nigeria even if I fear for my life I can not kill you with a gun because possessing a gun as a civilian is against the law. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Society And Atheism by Nobody: 10:43am On Jul 19, 2015 |
Morality is innate nobody taught you not to kill your mother,somehow you knew if you do it you would miss her affection,love and care. Human has a natural instinct feeling of empathy and so when you anyway conceive a bad thought towards another person,something in you would trigger your subconsciousness to let you know this is bad and you get emphatic so you don't need religion to know good and bad. Speaking about rule and law of the society,this is the norms,values and perceived pattern of operation in a society and when you deviate from that pattern of operation then you become deviant/outlaw. No religion is needed in this phenomenon its just rational human condition to a way of life for peaceful co-existence,Religion on the other hand brings about division. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Society And Atheism by finofaya: 11:28am On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: Religion applies what is known as deontological ethics, particularly the divine command approach. The divine command approach, as you have correctly guessed, views good behaviour as doing whatever the Divine commands. The divine command approach is one out of a number of approaches under deontological ethics. Deontological ethics considers good to be the doing of one's duties and respecting the rights of others. Deontological ethics forms much of the basis of our human rights laws. In addition to deontology, there is also consequentialism and virtue ethics, both of which consist of many approaches. As a whole, consequentialism judges the morality of an act from its consequences while virtue ethics judges the morality of an act from the character of the actor. So, in the absence of religion, or the divine command approach, we can have recourse to all of the other approaches under deontology, consequentialism and virtue ethics. 8 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Society And Atheism by Nobody: 1:46pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: See I hate discrimination against people, so I oppose the law against gays, but who am I when the majority want something else? With time, Nigerians would come to respect gays since they are just humans like us and they have the right to express their sexuality (my opinion, which opposes that of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, so it is useless.) |
Re: Society And Atheism by jayriginal: 2:42pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: That's the difference between you and lower animals. You can think and feel and you can quickly come to the conclusion that your love of murder is harmful to society. Control over your base instincts is what makes you human. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 3:34pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
jayriginal: Like gays can control their urge for same sex? |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 3:37pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
theAtheist101: By your logic, Nigeria is right discriminating gays and the issue of morality, good and bad is decided by the state |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 3:40pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
finofaya: |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 3:40pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
finofaya: And both ethics are subjective based on the society in question? |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 3:42pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
aaronson: You mean to say human are basically good right and we are all born with good nature, we are all born not wanting to hurt one another? |
Re: Society And Atheism by Nobody: 4:12pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: Where in my post did I justify the law? Yes, each state decides their laws and that is the reason their is no absolute morality. But, there are some laws that are common to all states. 2 Likes |
Re: Society And Atheism by Nobody: 4:20pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1:Human are born with a clean slated mind(Tabularaza) not good or bad but then again you human with a sense of cognition to respond to feelings which is instinct,your instinct to others feelings is how you innately know you doing good or hurting people. |
Re: Society And Atheism by jayriginal: 4:29pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: There's a really big problem if you put murder and sex on the same pedestal. I'm done with you. |
Re: Society And Atheism by finofaya: 4:57pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: I'm finding it hard to understand your question. |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 5:01pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
theAtheist101: I was pointing to the logic of your response. From your point, moral facts like 'adultery is wrong', 'lying is bad' etc is a fallacy, every man determines what is moral, good and just on his personal scale of measurement? |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 5:12pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
finofaya: Can you state one universally accepted moral ethics? |
Re: Society And Atheism by finofaya: 5:20pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: You mean ethical approach? No. |
Re: Society And Atheism by Nobody: 5:26pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: Definitely! In as much as your morality considers the state laws. If not, you are on your own! |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 5:40pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
theAtheist101: Interesting!, then i can lie as much as I want, fornicate and imbibe in other vices, as long as the laws of the state is not breached, I am a great guy, right? |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 5:45pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
finofaya: How then do we judge two diverging ethical opinions seeing we do not have a common reference point? |
Re: Society And Atheism by Nobody: 5:47pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: Yes now, if and only if, you don't want people to take you seriously and hope nature doesn't pluck you out of the world due to your excess. |
Re: Society And Atheism by finofaya: 6:00pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
superior1: Like how do we decide if an act is good or bad? Or is it how do we decide which way of determining good and bad is the best? |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 6:03pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
theAtheist101: You see, I have always suspect the problem atheists have with God has to do with moral. Following your logic, those vices that has been empirically proven to be harmful to the society should be morally acceptable, now can you see the harm of atheism to human society? |
Re: Society And Atheism by superior1: 6:07pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
finofaya: The former |
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