Ezekiel 18: 20;

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.


Hey, but "Are you forgetting Exodus 20: 5?", I hear you cry;

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


Now, you decide.

and your point is?

noetic2:

and your point is?

Do you think there is a point to be made?

The point is that Noetic and Huxley are cousins. Their great ancestor was a man named 2. Hence we have huxley 2 and Noetic 2.

This original Mr 2 committed a great and grievous sin which is what Noetic and Huxley are paying for today in their Nairaland confrontations.

That's the point.

When christians talk about generational curses it shows they do not have the word of God. The word of God tells us that Jesus died for our sins, so why would a christian believe in generational curse? Just baptize, put on christ by practicing his teachings and see if you will not be imbdued with the Holy spirit. With the holy spirit, you are indestructible as od is always with you and there is no more curse!

Err malbron christians don't just 'talk' about generational sins its WRITTEN in the bible. . .

Pastor AIO:

The point is that Noetic and Huxley are cousins. Their great ancestor was a man named 2. Hence we have huxley 2 and Noetic 2.

This original Mr 2 committed a great and grievous sin which is what Noetic and Huxley are paying for today in their Nairaland confrontations.

That's the point.

i respect that creativity bro  

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Huxley you know what i see you doing here, serpentry act (subtility), no hard feeling pls   , someone reading this will just accept your quotes plainly, with my experience of commenting your posts i havce learned to go back to the scriptures and read better

-Exodus preceded Ezekiel and as such, the verse of the former comes b4 the later, i will post the biblical ref. so everyone will know and read for themselves better

Exodus:

Exodus 20:1-6
And God spoke all these words:

2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 "You shall have no other gods before me.

4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

6 but showing love to a thousand [ generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
NIV

this scriptures came when God was officially giving the 10 commandments to the isrealites after their exodus from Egypt, and now in Ezekiel reading from verse 1, God started by saying something like this -

Ezekiel 18:1-3
18:1 The word of the LORD came to me:

2 "What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel: "'The fathers eat sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge'?

3 "As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel.

4 For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son — both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die. NIV

Huxley do you know see that God refered back to his sentence in Exodus and later in Ezekiel he gave reason for abolishing the old one?

pls do not contradict yourself and others here

May my God bless you, in Jesus name. Amen!  

Abolished? And here i was thinking ''I AM THE LORD I CHANGETH NOT''. . .

Tudór:

Err malbron christians don't just 'talk' about generational sins its WRITTEN in the bible. . .

you have to be careful about the old testament. Do not quote everything from it as if they all apply. Christianity has moved on. We are in the era of the Spirit.

Why doesn't the O.T apply? Isnt it the WORD OF GOD?
Remember the word of god is 'power' and 'knowledge' and would never return unfulfilled.

Marlbron:

you have to be careful about the old testament. Do not quote everything from it as if they all apply. Christianity has moved on. We are in the era of the Spirit.

The new testament and the entire Jesus story flat out showed me that it's all just a bunch of make believe fairy tale stuff built upon some existing ideas that the writers of the NT wanted to change.

Noah,Jacob, Issac, Jerimiah, Ezekiel, Elijah and Moses did not need Jesus at all to get to the OT God, but everyone who wants to get to God(NT) now must go through Christ. It's ALL a bunch of B.S. that can't be proven and never will be so therefore,the entire tale is just a happy lucky make believe tale.

Tudór:

Why doesn't the O.T apply? Isnt it the WORD OF GOD?
Remember the word of god is 'power' and 'knowledge' and would never return unfulfilled.

Tudo, cool temper! If I start telling a story, would you draw the conclusion from the begining or after the story is told? Again you need the Holy Spirit to fully nderstand scripture. Its not a Haley Chase novel, No! Let me make a sketch for you. God created man who was later tempted to sin. That sin separated God (sinless being) from man. But he still loved man and then related to man through angels. At the appointed time he sent his Son to atone for the sins through the shedding of an innocent blood. His son became Man for that sacrifice of sin. He gave us the message of Love. Love for one another. In the old testament it was an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Those could not have emanated from God. God is love and in this era, te Holy spirit has come to enunciate love further. Jeususcalled the people of the old testament thieves and robbers.

bindex:

The new testament and the entire Jesus story flat out showed me that it's all just a bunch of make believe fairy tale stuff built upon some existing ideas that the writers of the NT wanted to change.

Noah,Jacob, Issac, Jerimiah, Ezekiel, Elijah and Moses did not need Jesus at all to get to the OT God, but everyone who wants to get to God(NT) now must go through Christ. It's ALL a bunch of B.S. that can't be proven and never will be so therefore,the entire tale is just a happy lucky make believe tale.

The Jesus story could not have been fake. After he died, all his prophecies on Israel came to pass with exacting accuracy. In this era, his prophecies are very accurate. When Ceaser fell sick, he asked Pilate to send him the young man Jesus to heal him. So the story of Jesus was recorded in Roman history.

''At the apointed time he sent his son to atone for our sins by shedding INNOCENT BLOOD'' -
Why does your god have a fascination with 'shedding blood'. A loving,merciful,peaceful and all powerful god should surely come up with less violent and bloody ways to atone for sins,no?

BTW what prophecies did jesus make apart from the likes of ''nation will rise against nation''. If i were a lunatic and wanted to predict the end of the world,the safe bet will be men turning on one another. . . .so your jesus wasn't extraordinary he just used common sense.

That aside,lets for the sake of it assume pilate did indeed send for jesus when he was ill. . .did jesus heal him? Calling for jesus certainly signifies faith in his miracles.
Also note that a sick man scared of losing his life will beg for your attention if he hears you brag about healing powers.

Tudor the christian Hater but Jesus still love u -

Well i guess i love him too

Well i guess i love him too

Well i guess i love him too

Tudór:

BTW what prophecies did jesus make apart from the likes of ''nation will rise against nation''. If i were a lunatic and wanted to predict the end of the world,the safe bet will be men turning on one another. . . .so your jesus wasn't extraordinary he just used common sense.

That aside,lets for the sake of it assume pilate did indeed send for jesus when he was ill. . .did jesus heal him? Calling for jesus certainly signifies faith in his miracles.
Also note that a sick man scared of losing his life will beg for your attention if he hears you brag about healing powers.

Read the bible to see his prophecies especially on Jerusalem and the "end of the world". The fact that Cesar sent for him confirms the bibilical Jesus. Thats the point you doubted the story, so I gave you another source to explore other than the bible.

Which other source did you give?

Many religions have predicted the ''end of the world'' and the prophecies are eerily similar. Imagining wide scale destruction of the earth is a fairly simple thing to do.

Marlbron:

Read the bible to see his prophecies especially on Jerusalem and the "end of the world". [b]The fact that Cesar sent for him confirms the bibilical Jesus. [/b]Thats the point you doubted the story, so I gave you another source to explore other than the bible.

How comes the romans have NO record of the historical Jesus? How come that episode only appears in the gospels which happens to be the only books that talk about his life? Jesus meeting with Cesar will definatley be in the roman records but we have nothing like that in the roman records except in the embellished gospels.

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It's been said to you before that it takes more than the brain's 'wisdom' to understand the things of God. God is a Spirit. You'll understand him better if you seek Him in spirit and in truth. Nonetheless, your question is simply coming out of your prejudice as the verses you've quoted are plain to sincere learners.
Proverbs18v2 says
A fool has no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.
I'm hoping that you're not, or that you do not remain in the above category.
The Word of God is one, and various passages throw more light on and complement other passages. It's only people who're looking for seeming contradictions that find such. If you take an individual as your friend, you begin to see the great qualities such an individual possesses. But if you take him as your enemy, then everything he does appears to be against you. If he's laughing and chatting with his friends, your thought is that he must be mocking you and saying evil concerning you. That's your position against the Bible. That's the reason why it's usually jumbled to you.
Exodus20v5 has simply revealed a plain truth to us. Children inherit what their parents sow. Poor parents produce poor children and probably generations. Rich parents produce rich children. Sickle parents produce sickle children. Parents who enjoy the love and blessings of God have children who enjoy the blessing and love of God. Parents who are under punishment usually have children who suffer because of their parents. That's the way life is. But every individual can still change things to suit himself/herself. e.g that you're born to a poor family does not automatically mean that you should remain poor and vice versa.
It is this that Ezekiel18 sheds more light on. It's saying you can repent and come out of punishment. You can backslide and come out of God's favour. It happened often to the Israelites in the Bible. We all decide if we want to enjoy God's goodness or face His judgement.
Ezekiel 18v5. But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right.
9. Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgements, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God
10. If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any of these things,
13. Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: SHALL HE THEN LIVE? He shall not live:
14. Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like
17b. He shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live
19. Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son has done that which is lawful and right, and has kept all my statutes, and has done them, he shall surely live.
20. The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him
And so on and so on. You could read the whole chapter. Pretty clear and self explanatory. May God help you.

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It's been said to you before that it takes more than the brain's 'wisdom' to understand the things of God. God is a Spirit. You'll understand him better if you seek Him in spirit and in truth.

In other words god "works in mysterious ways" "we can't understand god" except when it's convenient.

Then we know EXACTLY what god meant, and we'll also go ahead and quote it, and we'll use it as evidence to convince people that god exists!

except when it's inconvenient.

Then "works in mysterious ways" "we can't understand god". The whole merry go round is absurd.