goldfish80:

It's a pity you're saying this.
This is what happened to Kalu Uche. Please refresh your memory
http://allafrica.com/stories/200309190818.html

You think breach of contract is child's play?

BascoVanVeli:


For u to say an African player won't cost 50 million is clear rubbish. Aubameyang and Koulibaly both cost way past 50 so u are the one being sentimental in ur love for everything European.

TheGoodJoe:


Typical you. You have little understanding of the underlying deal and you post it as a point.

In Kalu's case, there is no case of the club agreeing with him to make a deal and then changing it because of a better offer. There is no case of the club making shady deals to make Kalu Uche change his agent.

How you equate them as the same scenario baffles me.

TheGoodJoe:


You talked of Mbappe's records eclipsing Henry. I said, you can not compare them because of roles. I did not say Mbappe does not play on the wing. You embarrassed yourself saying he plays on the wings.

When we talk of players being prolific, it is not just with goals or assist. It also has to do with their ability on the ball. Maybe you did not know, as a youngster, Aguero was not regularly leading the line. However, his ability on the ball is far ahead of Mbappe. Same with Benzema. They are more prolific youngsters than Mbappe is.

goldfish80:


I can't blame you for this. Obviously it's been a while.
Look, Benzema was always confined to the bench in his first two seasons. Fred, Luyindula and Lisandro Lopez Lyons regulars while Benzema learned his trade. Not after Luyindula and the other guy moved on that benzema came to his own.
Mbape on the other hand have been bossing it.
You sound informed but you're not. Sorry.

goldfish80:


You obviously forgot we were speaking hypothetically if Iwobi was to be transferred as we speak. How this connects with Aubameyang have me scratching my head.

goldfish80:

You do realise no 20yr old have been transferred for 50M? Arsenal have yet to sell anyone for the said amount and no African have cost the said amount.
Haven established all these facts, and objectively speaking, you think Iwobi will be the player to cross that mark if he was in the transfer market as it stands. I like your optimism but I know better.

goldfish80:

How do you know Aguero is better since you haven't watched Mbappe play?
How could you have figured that Aguero was the better 18yr old?

goldfish80:

Again, you argue what you have limited information about. Kalu Uche had a deal in place to move to Ajax a deal Wisla Krakow backed out at the last minute because they had European Cup ambitions.
Learn not to argue that when you don't have your facts correct.

goldfish80:

Again, you argue what you have limited information about. Kalu Uche had a deal in place to move to Ajax a deal Wisla Krakow backed out at the last minute because they had European Cup ambitions.
Learn not to argue that when you don't have your facts correct.

BascoVanVeli:

This was what u said in case u forgot.



Hypothetically is just another way of saying "what if" but i thought u don't do that? Now i see that u will say anything to win an arguement. So its ok u win lol + smh.

BascoVanVeli:


That's a bit unfair, we all have bad days. Go watch his previous games. He has everything u say he doesn't.

TheGoodJoe:


So why quote Kalu's case when it is a totally different scenario?

goldfish80:

What different case? Kalu Uche went on strike because he didn't get his dream transfer to Ajax, he was promptly banned by the Polish FA for 6 months. No salary, no training. This 6 months in the coolers jeopardised his career. He owes his career to Henri Kasperzak who rejuvenated him after that saga.
Henry went on strike just like Kalu.
whats the different scenario there?
Google about Matuzalem's case with Shaktar Doneskt and see what could happen to a player for breach of contract.

TheGoodJoe:


Simple. I want to see something special in his YouTube clips that makes me go wow. If when people have cutout the best opart of someone's playing time and that wow factor is not there. How can he be outstanding.

TheGoodJoe:


It is a different scenario. So quit quoting it. Onyekuru went on strike because Eupen wanted to use him to pull off a shady deal. Eupen reporting him to FIFA will mean exposing themselves. They are different scenarios.

goldfish80:


That was according to own goal. Which reputable media outfit reported this shady deal?

TheGoodJoe:


It is a different scenario. So quit quoting it. Onyekuru went on strike because Eupen wanted to use him to pull off a shady deal. Eupen reporting him to FIFA will mean exposing themselves. They are different scenarios.

“We are only eight games from the end of the regular phase of the championship and only five points ahead of last place,” said Henkel. “We aren’t sure to stay in Division One. Therefore we can’t be separated from such an attacking player as Henry Onyekuru before summer
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4154418/Henry-Onyekuru-labelled-good-Scottish-football.html .

TheGoodJoe:



Which one is reputable media? Na WA. Onyekuru told his side of the story and pointed out the shady deal. That was why despite the strike, the club settled the matter with him.

Which reputable media said Kalu and Onyekuru's cases are similar. Na wa.

goldfish80:

I drew the line not speaking hypothetically when you wanted to compare Kelechi and Mbappe on who Pelegrini will choose if he was managing both players.
You just throw words around without respecting the context of the poster you're responding to.
That's not the way to go.

And since we are talking about transfers and market value of players, it's always hypothetic because we don't manage the players. We are just speculating given the variables available to us.

TheGoodJoe:
What I have noticed is that a lot of people have not watched lots prolific young talents. That is why you can see them make ridiculous statement like Mbappe being hottest property.

Someone like me watched Ronaldinho from U17. De Lima in his teens. Anelka at Seventeen. Just like I pointed out Aguero. Even Tevez. I watched these guys grow. Chill and let us hope the young man works hard and remain a disciplined professional.

BascoVanVeli:


I don't think u even read my quotes. I was saying that playing time depends on a coach. Pep might not like Iheanacho but Jardim might. Then i used Pellegrini as an example of a coach who rates Iheanacho and would probably use him over whats his face. Then u started crying about "what if's" even though like u just admitted we are only speculating. So what was ur point the whole time? U are wasting my life with this ur arguement i am gaining nothing.

Mickael2:



Seriously ehn, Nigerians like flowing with the European hype. Mbappe?! I know the rubbish they are saying about thellook now, I watch Monaco games week in week out, I have an active startimes bouquet for that in fact because of as to e Bundesliga games they show too, how is Mbappe better than....Okocha at 17 for example?! No Okocha was a super-talent compared to him sef, I don't even know where to grae him now but the hype is outstanding. This boy isn't doing what Di Maria hasn't done before, he is quick, very very quick but that's just about that. I am not going to say that Iheanacho is better than him because I am not sold on him either following his recent struggles but the two of them are defenitely in the same bracket. Gabriel Jesus? Atleast 10 times better than the lad. In fact there was a lad called Mosquito who did a whole lot better when he was still 17 but by 20 he was already gone! People should stop feeding my this rubbish about Mbappe, Pogba is worth 100million but he is not better than Verrati who is worth like 60. Now let me ask a question, if you happen to invent a software which you had intended to sell for....20k to a local businessman but then Dangote comes around and decides that he wants to buy the software, will you still sell for 20k? No matter how righteous you are, you will increase it and if the smaller businessman cannot meet up then Dangote takes it home. The Epl is the dangote here and other leagues will always milk them dry, I have seen worse talents coming to the Epl for a more ridiculous sum so I am not suprised.

maidaboi:
Onyekuru is better than this france guy if he was an european player what will be his market value guys?

goldfish80:



The official statement from the club makes sense to me. The cheap blackmail you're running with was cooked up by own goal.

goldfish80:

Clearly you doing now Jack about the Kalu Uche case till I brought it up. Still you want to claim you know when you don't.

bazooka1:

Bros I've been following your back and forth with him. You clearly brought up two separate scenarios and merged them together in the heat of the debate.

TheGoodJoe:


Did I say I know jack about Kalu's case? I said, typical you bringing up a link of different scenarios without underlying reports.

goldfish80:

I promised you I will make a nonsense of all you've been saying if you kept playing the Liverpool profiting on his deal card,after I painstakingly explained everything.
Am giving you a dose of your own medicine.

forgiveness:


Na me write those articles?

Show me where it is written 'LIVERPOOL LOOSE MONEY ON TIAGO ILORI DEAL'

From 50%, you came down to 10%abi na wetin and shame no gree you accept say you don lose.

BBC reported his deal to Liverpool was worth 7M
www​.bbc.com/sport/football/38555573
BBC reported his deal to Reading was worth 3.75M
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/23926042
7 - 3.75 = 3.25
Liverpool net loss is 3.25M. Simple arithmetic

komekn:
Just finished watching the Watford and West Ham game.

I was particularly focused on Isaac Promise, he has been widely mentioned as a solution to our quest for a quality striker.

That's the first game I have watched him and focused entirely on him. From this game I watched, I would say he is non starter. He is only 21 as is stated, he comes on in the 80th minute and plays 15 minutes or thereabouts. He should be full of energy leading the front line. Instead he is lethargic, slow and unable to impose himself on the game. He looks over weight very limited pace, infact he is too slow his touch isn't great and misses a sitter. He is far from athletic. I would have Obagoal over him morning, night and day.

I would recommend if we have no other options, we look for the best striker we can get in the Nigerian local league than this guy. He is simply not good enough.