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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by zicky(m): 5:34pm On Jan 11
goldfish80:

It was a pleasure to read through your post. We obviously share the same vision. If only Caf and the Nf shared the same vision.
Sometimes I wonder what the job description of these Caf executive Committee members are. Many armchair analyst like us can do better job.

Caf should integrate an U21 tournament into their calendar, also an expansion of the Caf champions league is long overdue, maybe an alliance with a few Arabian gulf countries to have their teams play in the Caf champions league could prove to be a master stroke. This will attract larger followership of the tournament and more TV money to participating clubs.
The recent Chinese infiltration should be a food for thought to Africa. We must re-strategies. The Europeans have succeeded in developing a UEFA youth champions league while Africa still operates a half baked 8-team champions league,without an U19/U21 championship.

In my opinion, Issa Hayatou cannot take Africa to next level. The status quo will remain intact if he's still there.





I think this year caf champions league will be 4group of 4teams, I read something like that about a change.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by tbaba1234: 6:01pm On Jan 11
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:15pm On Jan 11
goldfish80:

You obviously missed my point.
Yes, it makes sense to invite young players with the intention to expose them to international football and integrate those who are ready to the team.
My point is that, the so called young players need to buy a ticket to be considered for such invites.
Our national team is our pride. We can't have Junior who plays in the German amateur division for Hannover U19's to be invited for such expos. We are not in the mid 2000's where an Abbey George playing non-league football will be holding sway in our Super Eagles. The criteria should be that such player must have broken into his clubs first team to get such invite. Ovie Ejaria qualifies for such look in.

The u21 team as suggested by Icon4s is a good one but funny enough, the Nff is downsizing the number of national teams in their portfolio due to cash crunch.
Again, Caf should consider having an U21 championship like Europeans do. The game needs to develop further in Africa due to the world cup expansion.
It's innovative having CHAN championship but the U21/19 championships will go along way in shapping talents from our continent.

Further more, the Caf champions league and confederations cup format should be tweaked to meet the demands of the 21st century.
An 8 team, 2 groups format in the Caf champions league is laughable. It looks like an amateur league structure.
The Caf champions league format should be expanded to 16 team formate in a group of 4.

We need to do what is necessary to raise the game in Africa. The extra world cup slots should count to our advantage.

When we are talking of Fabian, it not just about developing him. Rohr hinted that we lack quality full backs. Do you think if Rohr believed our full back roles were covered, we would have a debate on Fabian?

This reminds me of the Oliseh Argument when he said Keshi should only invite players playing in top leagues, neglecting the fact that we did not have players in top League.

We have little mediums to check our promising talents. The best we can do is select the most promising and most likely to make it to camp.

Until we can create other mediums, Rohr will take a close look at them.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:21pm On Jan 11
Icon4s:


You believe it is because he is a young player now. But I thought peeps here once said age does not matter.

All those "If you are good enough you are old enough" stuff. grin

Is Sadiq Umar good enough to lead the Super Eagles line? No. So he is not old enough for the role. If he was better than the other players, he is old enough.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by joseph1013: 6:31pm On Jan 11
goldfish80:

You obviously missed my point.
Yes, it makes sense to invite young players with the intention to expose them to international football and integrate those who are ready to the team.
My point is that, the so called young players need to buy a ticket to be considered for such invites.
Our national team is our pride. We can't have Junior who plays in the German amateur division for Hannover U19's to be invited for such expos. We are not in the mid 2000's where an Abbey George playing non-league football will be holding sway in our Super Eagles. The criteria should be that such player must have broken into his clubs first team to get such invite. Ovie Ejaria qualifies for such look in.

The u21 team as suggested by Icon4s is a good one but funny enough, the Nff is downsizing the number of national teams in their portfolio due to cash crunch.
Again, Caf should consider having an U21 championship like Europeans do. The game needs to develop further in Africa due to the world cup expansion.
It's innovative having CHAN championship but the U21/19 championships will go along way in shapping talents from our continent.

Further more, the Caf champions league and confederations cup format should be tweaked to meet the demands of the 21st century.
An 8 team, 2 groups format in the Caf champions league is laughable. It looks like an amateur league structure.
The Caf champions league format should be expanded to 16 team formate in a group of 4.

We need to do what is necessary to raise the game in Africa. The extra world cup slots should count to our advantage.
On his day, this guy can make sense ehn.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:33pm On Jan 11
BascoVanVeli:


What game are we playing this month? Obviously we are not saying invite him right now without him playing a game in Germany but at least give him a chance if he proves himself in Germany.

My own remains, if Rohr thinks there is a possibility of Osimhen doing better than some of the strikers in the Super Eagles squad, assess him closely. If he is better, give him his chance.

What is the use of rating players by their professional affiliation of an amateur teen is better?

Osimhen also showed promise in our Olympics team too.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by tbaba1234: 6:45pm On Jan 11
Icon4s:


You believe it is because he is a young player now. But I thought peeps here once said age does not matter.

All those "If you are good enough you are old enough" stuff. grin

If you are good enough, you are old enough..

That is why Iwobi, Kelechi, Ndidi, Simon moses and co are in the super eagles...

If we have a 19 year old performing at a high level, there is no reason to keep him out unless there are better people in that role.

Some players will have to develop gradually but others could be top class, much earlier.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:48pm On Jan 11
Icon4s:


You have said quite a lot from this post.

I so much agree with you on the issue of young players' invitation to the national team. It seemed I was alone on that argument for long but thank God other analysts are pointing it out. A player needs to break into his clubs first team first and play a couple of games from which the coach would assess him and decide whether he is worthy of a call up.

As for the U21 team proposal, the Europeans so much value this age grade competition. CAF can scrap the CHAN and replace it with the U21 competition and let the tourney be played at the end of the league season. The AYC can be made U19 and be played a year before the WYC. The U21 be played a year after the WYC with that there would be an easier progression into the U23.

What do you call it when Nigeria has won 5 U17 tourneys and yet we have only played in 2 U20 WC finals and not winning any. The transition from U17 to U20 is what is not there. But why is that we perform better at U23 than U20?- Another food for thought.

I have followed the game far well enough. I watched live the maiden edition of the U16/U17 world cup. I have over the years studied team selection for the U20 team two years after the U17. It was even U21 in the 80s and 90s. I think it became U20 from 1999 or there about.

Nigerian coaches have not gotten right at the U20 level. The only two coaches that got to the final-Samson Siasia and Tunde Disu understood the challenges/competition at that age grade. Look at the structure and composition of their teams.

I some time ago highlighted to this great house the failure of Chile '87. Shockingly Emmanuel Amuneke said he could not remember anything about that tourney. That tells a lot. Not because he was too young to remember (after all he was my senior in school by 4 years) but because he probably choose not to commit the event to memory. The selection of players for that U21 Tourney was the recipe for the catastrophe that followed. A group of boys played U16 in 1985. Two years after in 1987 they were playing U21. Mind you, a lot of those boys were 15 years in that 1985 it means they would be 17 in 1987. The oldest being 18yrs. I recall Thompson Oliha and Etim Esin were dratfted into Chile '87 squad but that was not enough. They were walloped 4-0 by Brazil, 2-0 by Italy and played 2-2 draw with Canada.

Tunde Disu took over the Flying Eagles in 1989. What he did was to select from the 1985 Eaglets who were 19 and 20 yrs old by then and the best of the 1987 Eaglets. He also added some players from the local league. That Flying Eagles squad in my opinion remains the best till date.

Players like : Nduka Ugbade, Jonathan Akpoborie, Taiwo Enegwea from the 1985 Eaglets. Dimeji Lawal, Philip Osondu, Christopher Nwosu, Bawa Abdulahi, Anthony Emeodofu and Peter Ogaba from the 1987 Eaglets. Others came from the local league: like Mutiu Adepoju (shooting star), Chris Ohenhen (Calabar Rovers), Samuel Elija (shooting stars), Tunde Charity (Bendel Insurance), Mike Onyemachara (First Bank), Jimoh Balogun (Julius Berger) among others including the goalies: Angus Ikechi and Emeka Amadi. Note that most of these boys were already professional players. A couple of the Eaglest graduates were already in European clubs. At least I recall Philip Osondu was in Anderlecht of Belgium. This was a matured U20 Team.

Looking at the Siasia's team of 2005. Kennedy Chinwo was the only player picked from the 2001 Eaglets because he was the only 15years old when the U17 tourney was played in 2001. The other were not eligible age-wise to play U20 in 2005. From the 2003 Eaglets: Isaac Promise, Chinedu Ogbuke-Obasi, John Obi Mikel, Solomon Okoronkwo, Kola Anubi and Ambrose Vanzekin. The other players came mostly from the local league: Taye Taiwo (Lobi stars), Onyekachi Apam (Enugu Rangers), Monday James (Bendel Insurance), Daddy Bazuaye (Bendel Insurance), Solomon Abwo (Enyimba), John Owoeri (Bendel Insurance), Sani Kaita (Kano Pillars), Dele Adeleye (shooting stars),Gift Atulewa (Bayelsa Utd) Olubayo Adefemi (Israel), Yinka Adedeji (Sweden) and Daniel Akpeyi (Gabros International). Those NPL boys, where no feeder team players. They were regulars in their team. I vividly recall a rampaging David Abwo during Enyimb's 2004/2005 CAF chmapions league campagne.

Manu Garba tried with his 2015 Flying Eagles. Firstly he called back the boys that failed the MRI. Players like: Wilfred Ndidi, Ifeanyi Mathew, Bernard Bulbwa, Ibrahim Alhassan, Abdul Mustapha( I always forget his name-the one u guys call picture boy). You could see the great input made by those boys. He also called Kingsley Sokari from the NPFL, Moses Simon from Gent and Enahoro-the goalie from MFM. However, majority of the team were still from his former 2013 U17 set up. By that time in 2015 majority of them were still academy players. Only Isaac Success, Wilfred Ndidi, Moses Simon and Kingsley Sokari professional players. The squad was largely lacking in experience compared to the Tunde Disu's 1989 and Samson Siasia's 2005 squads.

Peeps who can recall from the U20 thread would remember how I lamented this deficiency in Manu's U20 squad.

Looking at the Amuneke's U20 squad. Amuneke I feel did not recognize the level of competition he would face. The team was made up 90% of his 2015 U17 players. The team was too young and greatly lacking in experience just like what happened with the Chile '87 boys. Well, Amuneke said he could not remember what happened at Chile '87 so no lessons learnt.

I have always said it that the U20 is for young professional players. If you go and parade academy players there talents will fail them where experience is needed. The Amuneke's U20 were playing passing game on a flooded pitch in Lagos while the Sudanese boys were playing long balls. Victor Osimhen scored Sudan's winning goal that day. angry

We need to really take the U20 age grade level more seriously. Of late we seem to be underrating the competition at that level.


Is it not one of best group of players that Denmark walloped 4-1 in France 98? If it was a group of young boys, you guys will say inexperience.


It is about how good a player is. Not placement in a club. If a young star arises and he is better, you can not change it. He is better.

If we have better older players, no one has a problem with that. The problem comes when there is a possibility of a younger player being better and people hide behind the excuse of experience to rob the player off his spot.

Ronaldo De Lima was a teenager when he became the best player in the World. It is not age or experience but talent. Ronaldo De Lima was about Seventeen when the Brazilian coach put him as one of the members of the conquering USA 94 squad.

Is it not a highly experienced Super Eagles that Holland ripped apart in a friendly, 5-1?

No one is saying call the younger player but the better player. If the younger player is better, call him.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:55pm On Jan 11
Icon4s:


You have said quite a lot from this post.

I so much agree with you on the issue of young players' invitation to the national team. It seemed I was alone on that argument for long but thank God other analysts are pointing it out. A player needs to break into his clubs first team first and play a couple of games from which the coach would assess him and decide whether he is worthy of a call up.

As for the U21 team proposal, the Europeans so much value this age grade competition. CAF can scrap the CHAN and replace it with the U21 competition and let the tourney be played at the end of the league season. The AYC can be made U19 and be played a year before the WYC. The U21 be played a year after the WYC with that there would be an easier progression into the U23.

What do you call it when Nigeria has won 5 U17 tourneys and yet we have only played in 2 U20 WC finals and not winning any. The transition from U17 to U20 is what is not there. But why is that we perform better at U23 than U20?- Another food for thought.

I have followed the game far well enough. I watched live the maiden edition of the U16/U17 world cup. I have over the years studied team selection for the U20 team two years after the U17. It was even U21 in the 80s and 90s. I think it became U20 from 1999 or there about.

Nigerian coaches have not gotten right at the U20 level. The only two coaches that got to the final-Samson Siasia and Tunde Disu understood the challenges/competition at that age grade. Look at the structure and composition of their teams.

I some time ago highlighted to this great house the failure of Chile '87. Shockingly Emmanuel Amuneke said he could not remember anything about that tourney. That tells a lot. Not because he was too young to remember (after all he was my senior in school by 4 years) but because he probably choose not to commit the event to memory. The selection of players for that U21 Tourney was the recipe for the catastrophe that followed. A group of boys played U16 in 1985. Two years after in 1987 they were playing U21. Mind you, a lot of those boys were 15 years in that 1985 it means they would be 17 in 1987. The oldest being 18yrs. I recall Thompson Oliha and Etim Esin were dratfted into Chile '87 squad but that was not enough. They were walloped 4-0 by Brazil, 2-0 by Italy and played 2-2 draw with Canada.

Tunde Disu took over the Flying Eagles in 1989. What he did was to select from the 1985 Eaglets who were 19 and 20 yrs old by then and the best of the 1987 Eaglets. He also added some players from the local league. That Flying Eagles squad in my opinion remains the best till date.

Players like : Nduka Ugbade, Jonathan Akpoborie, Taiwo Enegwea from the 1985 Eaglets. Dimeji Lawal, Philip Osondu, Christopher Nwosu, Bawa Abdulahi, Anthony Emeodofu and Peter Ogaba from the 1987 Eaglets. Others came from the local league: like Mutiu Adepoju (shooting star), Chris Ohenhen (Calabar Rovers), Samuel Elija (shooting stars), Tunde Charity (Bendel Insurance), Mike Onyemachara (First Bank), Jimoh Balogun (Julius Berger) among others including the goalies: Angus Ikechi and Emeka Amadi. Note that most of these boys were already professional players. A couple of the Eaglest graduates were already in European clubs. At least I recall Philip Osondu was in Anderlecht of Belgium. This was a matured U20 Team.

Looking at the Siasia's team of 2005. Kennedy Chinwo was the only player picked from the 2001 Eaglets because he was the only 15years old when the U17 tourney was played in 2001. The other were not eligible age-wise to play U20 in 2005. From the 2003 Eaglets: Isaac Promise, Chinedu Ogbuke-Obasi, John Obi Mikel, Solomon Okoronkwo, Kola Anubi and Ambrose Vanzekin. The other players came mostly from the local league: Taye Taiwo (Lobi stars), Onyekachi Apam (Enugu Rangers), Monday James (Bendel Insurance), Daddy Bazuaye (Bendel Insurance), Solomon Abwo (Enyimba), John Owoeri (Bendel Insurance), Sani Kaita (Kano Pillars), Dele Adeleye (shooting stars),Gift Atulewa (Bayelsa Utd) Olubayo Adefemi (Israel), Yinka Adedeji (Sweden) and Daniel Akpeyi (Gabros International). Those NPL boys, where no feeder team players. They were regulars in their team. I vividly recall a rampaging David Abwo during Enyimb's 2004/2005 CAF chmapions league campagne.

Manu Garba tried with his 2015 Flying Eagles. Firstly he called back the boys that failed the MRI. Players like: Wilfred Ndidi, Ifeanyi Mathew, Bernard Bulbwa, Ibrahim Alhassan, Abdul Mustapha( I always forget his name-the one u guys call picture boy). You could see the great input made by those boys. He also called Kingsley Sokari from the NPFL, Moses Simon from Gent and Enahoro-the goalie from MFM. However, majority of the team were still from his former 2013 U17 set up. By that time in 2015 majority of them were still academy players. Only Isaac Success, Wilfred Ndidi, Moses Simon and Kingsley Sokari professional players. The squad was largely lacking in experience compared to the Tunde Disu's 1989 and Samson Siasia's 2005 squads.

Peeps who can recall from the U20 thread would remember how I lamented this deficiency in Manu's U20 squad.

Looking at the Amuneke's U20 squad. Amuneke I feel did not recognize the level of competition he would face. The team was made up 90% of his 2015 U17 players. The team was too young and greatly lacking in experience just like what happened with the Chile '87 boys. Well, Amuneke said he could not remember what happened at Chile '87 so no lessons learnt.

I have always said it that the U20 is for young professional players. If you go and parade academy players there talents will fail them where experience is needed. The Amuneke's U20 were playing passing game on a flooded pitch in Lagos while the Sudanese boys were playing long balls. Victor Osimhen scored Sudan's winning goal that day. angry

We need to really take the U20 age grade level more seriously. Of late we seem to be underrating the competition at that level.


As for Amunike's U20, you have rallied around this point but failed to confess that Amunike held an open camp with over six hundred young players. Open camp. What else did you want him to do?

I have told you that due to the time, foreign pros would not come for the screening or take part in the qualifiers. The likes of Ovie and Yahaya would not make it. You keep delving on it.

The players were neglected by the NFF. Not Amunike's fault. The NFF chose to carry them to a bad pitch that would not suit their players not Amunike's fault.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by tbaba1234: 7:03pm On Jan 11
Manchester City Legend Shaun Goater :

"Kelechi is a great young talent but Guardiola’s actions make it clear that he doesn’t believe he’s good enough."

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by BascoVanVeli(m): 7:06pm On Jan 11
TheGoodJoe:


My own remains, if Rohr thinks there is a possibility of Osimhen doing better than some of the strikers in the Super Eagles squad, assess him closely. If he is better, give him his chance.

What is the use of rating players by their professional affiliation of an amateur teen is better.

Osimhen also showed promise in our Olympics team too.

I think its best to let them break into their teams starting lineup first, like Osimhen will have plenty of time to adjust an hopefully make his mark, march is a long time away if he breaks into wolfsburg there will be no excuses.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:19pm On Jan 11
tbaba1234:
Manchester City Legend Shaun Goater :

"Kelechi is a great young talent but Guardiola’s actions make it clear that he doesn’t believe he’s good enough."

Props to Goater for his good works for City and his unrelenting support for Iheanacho. However, I disagree with him on this.


I’m sure he thinks and says that Kelechi is a great young talent but Guardiola’s actions make it clear that he doesn’t believe he’s good enough.
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He obviously doesn’t have confidence in him to play him alongside Aguero more regularly if things aren’t going right.

I think what the legend missed is that Guardiola hardly plays with two strikers up front, unlike Pellegrini. I am of the opinion we should switch to a possessive/defensive solid 4-4-2 like Simeone. With such a set up, Iheanacho will see more games.

However, with the massive improvements in the last six games, winning five of the games and keeping clean sheets in four of them, we can not talk about switching system. Guardiola is gelling with the league and he is adapting his style of play to the league.

I do not see this as Guardiola not trusting Iheanacho. Guardiola mostly plays with a striker up top.

Goater admits that Guardiola says he rates Iheanacho. I think it is time the Cityzens who support the club allow Guardiola settle before wanting him to pick on the fans favorites.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:21pm On Jan 11
BascoVanVeli:


I think its best to let them break into their teams starting lineup first, like Osimhen will have plenty of time to adjust an hopefully make his mark, march is a long time away if he breaks into wolfsburg there will be no excuses.

I think it is best to pick the player when he is better than any of the squad members. Why should he not play or get invited, if he is better. That is the key word. Better.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by komekn(m): 7:30pm On Jan 11
TheGoodJoe:


It is not a waste if we are hunting for quality. Rohr is not satisfied with the full back situation. It is a key ingredient of his attacking play. Rohr is not going to make a guess list. He will call up those who will come to camp after careful deliberation.

We spent money camping different full backs that did not convince Rohr. Will we call that wastage? No. It is a continuous process. If Fabian Senninger can become top quality, investing money in camping him can not become a waste because the aim is to keep making our team stronger.

I seem to have to repeat myself, I have seen him and he is not senior team quality yet.

I don't care what Balogun supposedly said or what other journalists and Nike coaches have said who have obvious vested interest.

Until he can start playing for his team which in reality is probably lower than the English championship he should not be invited. You have to merit a call up not be called up by speculation without substantiation.

Across the premiership there are u number of Nigerian boys who are not featuring for thier club sides but have way more quality than he does. For instance Aina at Chelsea, even Iorfa at Wolves to name a few.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:43pm On Jan 11
komekn:


I seem to have to repeat myself, I have seen him and he is not senior team quality yet.

I don't care what Balogun supposedly said or what other journalists and Nike coaches have said who have obvious vested interest.

Until he can start playing for his team which in reality is probably lower than the English championship he should not be invited. You have to merit a call up not be called up by speculation without substantiation.

Across the premiership there are u number of Nigerian boys who are not featuring for thier club sides but have way more quality than he does. For instance Aina at Chelsea, even Iorfa at Wolves to name a few.


That is the difference. You do not care about others opinions. Some others do. At the end, Rohr will take a close look and decide if Fabian is good enough.

As for Aina and Iorfa, are those not the same players making Shakara like Shakira for us? What do you want Rohr to do, wash their clothes?

We are interested in those who want to play for us.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by komekn(m): 7:49pm On Jan 11
BascoVanVeli:


since when? We already told u that and u said no let him wait. If he is playing week in week out he would be proving himself.

I agree with you.

You will learn more about a player you see week in and week out competing in a good quality league. Than inviting him to Nigeria for a couple of weeks.

Rohr I like, but he is too heavily biased towards the German and Dutch league's, which is not his fault. It's simply where his network and experience are mainly.

I will say this again the top 10 premiership teams will have at least 20+ boys of Nigerian origin. Who are in the reserves or knocking on the first team door. Boys that are way above the level of the Nike academy. Don't forget for all the reviews some are quoting this boy could not secure a contract with any English football club.

That should tell you something the excuse that the EPL was to physical for him does not cut it for me. I again don't want to limit the boy by being too brutal in my assessment.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by BascoVanVeli(m): 8:00pm On Jan 11
TheGoodJoe:


I think it is best to pick the player when he is better than any of the squad members. Why should he not play or get invited, if he is better. That is the key word. Better.
I am not completely disagreeing with u on this but i just feel It is best to allow the player to earn his chance. Right now i would give the nod to the lad at Eupen. Osimhen is our Lebron James he could play now as u said but it would be best for him to know he earned a call by helping his club.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by komekn(m): 8:08pm On Jan 11
TheGoodJoe:


That is the difference. You do not care about others opinions. Some others do. At the end, Rohr will take a close look and decide if Fabian is good enough.

As for Aina and Iorfa, are those not the same players making Shakara like Shakira for us? What do you want Rohr to do, wash their clothes?

We are interested in those who want to play for us.

I care about other opinions and I am not conceited to think my opinion is best.

However, just by sheer coincidence I actually watched the boy over three 90 minute full games live. Then analysed the three 90 minutes matches on video which I still have.

From that assessment I didn't see anything of outstanding quality, good player yes. Consider Burnley which is not the best of quality teams did not offer him a contract. Furthermore, scouts from other teams who were there did not consider him. On the other hand a Nigerian origin player who was on trial as a striker was then invited from those matches by Manchester United. That tells you that my opinion was not unique to myself.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:10pm On Jan 11
BascoVanVeli:

I am not completely disagreeing with u on this but i just feel It is best to allow the player to earn his chance. Right now i would give the nod to the lad at Eupen. Osimhen is our Lebron James he could play now as u said but it would be best for him to know he earned a call by helping his club.

Onyekuru is brilliant and sure looks quality. At the end, I am not crazy about where you play but pin pointing who is the better player.

If Rohr watches Onyekuru and feels he can add to the team. He is free to invite him and check if he is good to go. If Onyekuru is better than Ighalo or Ideye, we then work on blending him into the squad.

Osimhen has already trained in camp with Rohr. Rohr has watched him closely. Rohr has a direct contact in Wolfsburg who he trust and feels Osimhen is good.

Why wait for the German club to give Osimhen a chance?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:13pm On Jan 11
komekn:


I care about other opinions and I am not conceited to think my opinion is best.

However, just by sheer coincidence I actually watched the boy over three 90 minute full games live. Then analysed the three 90 minutes matches on video which I still have.

From that assessment I didn't see anything of outstanding quality, good player yes. Consider Burnley which is not the best of quality teams did not offer him a contract. Furthermore, scouts from other teams who were there did not consider him. On the other hand a Nigerian origin player who was on trial as a striker was then invited from those matches by Manchester United. That tells you that my opinion was not unique to myself.


As I said, you have your opinion. Others have theirs. At the end, Rohr makes the final pick.

You feel he is not good. Others feel he is good. Rohr looked at Fabian and said, very quick and very good.

At the end, Rohr will watch Fabian Senninger closely and make his verdict.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by komekn(m): 8:16pm On Jan 11
Dominic Iorfa is in my opinion not the finished product, tall, fast strong but not technical enough for the Eagles. His Dad has said he is willing to play for the Eagles.

With regard to Aina I do not know what nature of overtures were made to him official or unofficial, so I do not want to comment.

Ibe I can say, is not interested in playing for Nigeria as at three weeks ago. Unless he has changed his mind recently.

I could if I had the time and inclination compile a list of at least 6/7 possible quality wing backs that will have the potential to compete for that position. From players within the English league system.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by BascoVanVeli(m): 8:36pm On Jan 11
The Charity cup ended in penalties with Ifeanyi Ubah winning 4-3, i guess supersports didn't see this as important so i didn't watch it. The NPFL must be crazy good this year, i see some strong teams and players. Lets not forget that this league has a certain Manu Garba added to it, we should expect the level of football to be high this season. I think its time for our clubs to make sure they keep their stars, fans come to see stars. The players should be educated about the money that is hopefully coming into our league, this could mean a substancial increase in salary. South Africans stay home cuz there is no reason to leave, we have better talent than SA in a single local government. People I know always ask me why our league is rated if i say our players are so naturally talented? My answer is always look in the mirror. What do u do to help the situation? If we are not with our players in the stadiums, how can we complain. Our clubs can't sell any brand to investors when their stadiums are empty. We as fans need to step up and at least invest with a ticket. I for one have made my mind up not to miss a home match of my local club this season. I think our league would be better if we all did that.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by BascoVanVeli(m): 8:41pm On Jan 11
TheGoodJoe:


Onyekuru is brilliant and sure looks quality. At the end, I am not crazy about where you play but pin pointing who is the better player.

If Rohr watches Onyekuru and feels he can add to the team. He is free to invite him and check if he is good to go. If Onyekuru is better than Ighalo or Ideye, we then work on blending him into the squad.

Osimhen has already trained in camp with Rohr. Rohr has watched him closely. Rohr has a direct contact in Wolfsburg who he trust and feels Osimhen is good.

Why wait for the German club to give Osimhen a chance?

We have to wait till March anyways so it's no big deal. Wolfsburg has no choice right now so it's on him to grab his chance.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by terzurum5(m): 8:59pm On Jan 11
AF Nigeria 2017 Africa Cup of Nations Ifeanyi Ubah FC
Rohr: I will pick Eagles February for AFCON 2019 qualifier


Nigeria coach Gernot Rohr has revealed he plans to name in February his squad for an AFCON 2019 qualifier in March.


CAF will stage the draw for AFCON 2019 qualifying tournament in Libreville, Gabon, on Thursday.


“I will make my list by the end of February,” Rohr said of his plans for AFCON 2019.


“This will depend on what the players are doing at their clubs.


“Some new players could come like fullback, we have somebody, but it’s too early to speak about that now.”


He further said the domestic league players will now have a better chance of making his squad as the new season resumes this weekend after the past season officially ended in November.


“I will watch tomorrow’s Super Cup (between Rangers and FC Ifeanyi Ubah) to see if I could see some players in the league,” he said.


“It will be interesting for me to watch this game as I have already watched Ifeanyi Ubah during the Federation Cup final, now I will see the Nigeria champions.”

By Kola Daniel

africanfootball.com/news/677571/Rohr-I-will-pick-Eagles-February-for-AFCON-2019-qualifier

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by terzurum5(m): 9:02pm On Jan 11
AF Nigeria Nigeria Premier League 2016 DR Congo
CHAN 2018 qualifiers begin April 20



Salisu Yusuf in charge of CHAN Eagles

The qualifying tournament for the 2018 Championship of African Nations (CHAN) will begin on April 20.


The tournament is exclusively reserved for players who are playing in their domestic leagues.


Nigeria debuted at the 2014 edition of the competition in South Africa, where they finished third.
They also featured at the 2016 edition in Rwanda.


Super Eagles chief coach Salisu Yusuf will be in charge of the home-based team and he will be assisted by Rangers coach Imama Amapakabo.


DR Congo are the defending champions.

Kenya will host the 2018 tournament.

africanfootball.com/news/677413/CHAN-2018-qualifiers-begin-April-20

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by terzurum5(m): 9:08pm On Jan 11
MTNF Nigeria ABSA Premiership 2016/17 Chippa United
Afelokhai:I won't sit on bench for Ghana's Fatau Dauda


Theophilus Afelokhai has said he does not hope to sit on the bench for Ghana goalkeeper and Enyimba star signing Fatau Dauda.


It will be a battle of goalkeepers at Enyimba in the new NPFL season as experienced shot stoppers Afelokhai and Dauda as well as new signing Friday Achimugu will slug it out for first-team action.


Afelokhai said he is up to the challenge.


“The arrival of two goalkeepers in our camp will make it more competitive, most especially the arrival of Black Stars goalkeeper Dauda,” said former Kano Pillars star Afelokhai, who is one of the highest paid players in the NPFL.


“Dauda has been around for some time with his country’s national team, he has also played in South Africa with Orlando Pirates and Chippa United. No doubt he has the quality and this can only be good for Enyimba because they have another experienced hand joining me.


“I love challenges for first-team shirt and I have never been a second-choice goalkeeper right from my first professional club Buffalo FC, an NNL side in Kano, to Kano Pillars, where I kept for 10 years.


“I was the best ‘keeper in the league again last season, this is four years running. This is very remarkable for my career.


“I hope to work hard knowing fully well the other goalkeepers are capable of being in goal for Enyimba.


“I am mentally and physically ready for the new season.”

By Kola Daniel

mtnfootball.com/news/677444/Afelokhai-I-won-t-sit-on-bench-for-Ghana-s-Fatau-Dauda
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by terzurum5(m): 10:35pm On Jan 11
Leekens: Why Algeria bowed to Nigeria


The Greens’ handler has given an insight on what led to the Green’s defeat in Uyo, and his aspiration in Gabon 2017.


Algeria coach Georges Leekens has revealed why his team crumbled 3-1 to Nigeria in November’s Fifa World Cup qualifier.


A brace from Chelsea’s Victor Moses and captain John Obi Mikel were all Gernot Rohr’s men needed to silence the Greens at the Godswill Akpabio Stadium, Uyo.


And the tactician in an interview with Fifa.com stated what went wrong with his team despite putting up a strong performance in the second half.


“African teams usually start games at full throttle, but without testing their opponents,”Leekens explained.


“Then, as the minutes go by, the intensity drops, which is when you have to step things up and make the difference.


“Against Nigeria, for example, we played well in the second half, but only after we’d let in two goals in the first. If we’d played at the same level for the whole match, we’d have won.”


Algeria are zoned in Group B of the 2017 Africa Cup of Nations alongside Tunisia, Zimbabwe and Senegal, an Leekens is hoping to subdue his foes to emerge as champions.


“We want to win this tournament and take part in the Confederations Cup, but all I’m thinking about right now is negotiating our first match well against Zimbabwe and then the second against Tunisia.


“As far as I’m concerned, these are our two biggest games at the start of this year.”

m.goal.com/x/en-ng/news/4055/main/2017/01/11/31390552/leekens-why-algeria-bowed-to-nigeria
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by terzurum5(m): 10:39pm On Jan 11
AF Nigeria 2018 FIFA World Cup Qualifiers - Africa Zambia
What does 48-team World Cup mean for Nigeria?


The news of the expansion of the FIFA World Cup to 48 teams from the current 32 has been greeted with mixed reactions the world over.


The new development will, however, not happen until the year 2026, which is some nine years from now.


The expansion also comes with confederations getting addition slots, with CAF getting the biggest single share, rising from five to nine guaranteed slots at the World Cup from 2026. UEFA still has the highest number of slots, but the fewest number of additions in the new format.


They will now have 16 guaranteed slots, with just two added to the 14 they currently enjoy, while other confederations like Oceania, Asia, CONCACAF and CONMEBOL also enjoying additional slots with 1.5, 8.5, and 6.5 slots respectively – the fractions representing playoff matches.


But looking from a purely African point of view, what does this change mean for the continent and Nigeria in particular?


According to a statement released on the FIFA website announcing the development, the decision to expand the number of participating teams was ‘taken following a thorough analysis, based on a report that included four different format options.


’The study took into account such factors as sporting balance, competition quality, impact on football development, infrastructure, projections on financial position and the consequences for event delivery.’


As it currently stands for the qualifiers for the 2018 World Cup, and same will apply for the qualifiers for the 2022 edition, CAF has five groups of four teams each, with the top teams automatically qualifying for the World Cup.


Nigeria are housed in Group B in the race for Russia 2018, along with other continental powerhouses; Cameroon and Algeria as well as Zambia.


But for the 2026 qualifiers, CAF is most likely going to adopt a larger grouping system, that will have as many as nine groups with the best team from each group proceeding to the World Cup.


What this format simply means is that most of the top ranked teams will be exempted from the preliminary round of qualifiers, which means fewer games and a higher number of teams at the group qualifying stage.


Also, it means the top nine teams in the last FIFA rankings before the draws will be seeded, reducing the chances of countries like Nigeria, Cameroon and Algeria being in the same group, which in turn increases the chances of the so-called bigger countries to qualify, including Nigeria’s.


On the other hand, CAF could choose to adopt a slightly more complex format, which will maintain the same five qualifying groups. But in this scenario, not only the top teams from each group will qualify, but also the second best teams from four of the five groups.


The complexity of this format is that where two or more teams have identical records from their groups, they would have to go through playoffs.


While this format will maintain the probability of countries like Nigeria, Cameroon and Algeria being in the same group, it also means that instead of one, two of them would have the chance of progressing to the World Cup proper.


But whatever format CAF employs for the 2026 qualifiers, with the expansion to 48 teams, it means teams like the Super Eagles now have a higher chance of qualifying for the World Cup whether or not they play against the best teams on the continent.

By Chris Oguguo

africanfootball.com/news/677802/What-does-48-team-World-Cup-mean-for-Nigeria

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by terzurum5(m): 10:42pm On Jan 11
AF Nigeria Premier League 2016/2017 Everton
Leicester City boss charges Ahmed Musa to keep firing


Leicester City manager Claudio Ranieri has charged Ahmed Musa to keep the momentum after he scored the goals that dumped Everton out of the FA Cup.


The Nigeria star keep off the bench to score a brace as the Premier League champions edged past hosts Everton in the cup at the weekend.


“Musa has a lot of qualities. He scored a lot of goals in Russia and now I expect him to keep the momentum,” urged Ranieri, who on Monday was voted the best manager of 2016 by FIFA.


A lot was expected of the jet-heeled forward when he joined ‘The Foxes’ from Russian champions CSKA Moscow in the summer.


However, he has blown hot and cold thus far.


The 24-year-old Musa has also scored twice in the league after 14 appearances, against Tottenham Hotspur and Crystal Palace.

africanfootball.com/news/677581/Leicester-City-boss-charges-Ahmed-Musa-to-keep-firing

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by terzurum5(m): 5:56am On Jan 12
I Moved To China To Help Nigeria Qualify For World Cup 2018 – Mikel


Former Chelsea midfielder John Obi Mikel says his decision to move to Chinese side Tianjin Teda was primarily done to aid Nigeria’s push to be at the 2018 World Cup in Brazil.


Mikel was frozen out of the first team picture by coach of Chelsea Antonio Conte, but the captain of the Nigeria team remained a regular for the national team despite his lack of games at club level.


He decided to move to Tianjin Teda on a three year deal in order to get playing time, and despite the fact that he will be getting double his former pay in China, the 29 year old insist the move wasn’t all about money.


” I could easily have stayed in Chelsea for the remaining six months of my contract but it won’t be in the best interest of my nation, as they need me match fit when the World Cup 2018 qualifiers resume”, Mikel told Owngoalnigeria.com.


” It wasn’t an easy decision to make but I seriously need matches to stay fit for Nigeria. Nigerians don’t deserve to miss out of the World Cup after back to back failure to qualify for the Africa Cup of Nations”.

owngoalnigeria.com/2017/01/11/i-moved-to-china-to-help-nigeria-qualify-for-world-cup-2018-mikel/

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: Russia 2018, 2019 AFCON and The Dawn of a New Era" by terzurum5(m): 5:57am On Jan 12
Kaduna Dazzler Francis Okoli Scores In Debut Game For Portuguese Side


Former Nigeria U-17 trainee Francis Tochukwu Okoli had a debut to remember for Portuguese side Vizela with a goal to his name in their 2-2 draw against Pacos de Ferreira in a Portuguese League Cup tie.


His goal was the first of the game which has been deadlocked at 0-0 before his introduction, although his team fail to claim a major upset after they let a 2-0 lead slip to draw 2-2.


19 year old Okoli who missed out on selection to the last U-17 World Cup for Nigeria due to a groin injury, was introduced for his debut in the 75th minute and he scored with his first touch two minutes later.


Known for his quick feet and pace, the forward was born and brought up in Kaduna, where he was scouted during a scout tournament in Abuja.


He is reportedly one of the numerous Nigerian players in the second division in Portugal managed by Nigerian intermediary Babawo Mohammed.

owngoalnigeria.com/2017/01/11/kaduna-dazzler-francis-okoli-scores-in-debut-game-for-portuguese-side/

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