ifenes:


The organic/physical being itself is a production of the mind. Like the MATRIX to experience being in a physical body. A s the mind changes,the experience changes.

Even in the Matrix there were still real organic human bodies imagining life. They didn't create the universe.

Weah96:


Even in the Matrix there were still real organic human bodies imagining life. They didn't create the universe.

The body is an illusion. It cannot exist without permission from your mind. Superconductivity of the Mind leads to Superconductivity of Matter and Photons. It will always be Mind of Matter/physical. What is experience is a result of how our mind works. Emotions,pains are conditioning of the mind. The wrist watch is a collective creation of our minds. Otherwise those whose minds don't agree with it won't experience it.

wirinet:


Like Mbatuku2 asked, what has your God has to do with the laws of thermodynamics or any other physical laws for that matter. I thought you people said your god is not bound to any law.

It seems you do not understand the import of the laws of thermodynamics. The first law states The total amount of energy in a closed system is constant ( we assume mass is also a form of energy). Since we assume the universe is a closed system, it therefore mean the amount of energy in the universe has always been the same. This is why we say energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

The second law of thermodynamics states, that there is a natural tendency of any isolated system to degenerate into a more disordered state. This means entropy (amount if energy unavailable to do work) increases.

While first law of thermodynamics deals with quantity of energy, the second law deals with quality of energy.


In your statement above just substitute God for the universe and you will reach the same conclusion;
The Universe God cannot be self existent - nothing can create itself, because that would mean that it existed before it came into existence, which is totally absurd .

Here also substitute the word God or intelligent designer with the universe and you will still reach the same conclusion;
Its actually logical . If the intelligent designer the universe is not eternal then it progresses into infinite regression . We will be asking absurd questions like who created the creator and who created the creator's creator . So God the Universe is eternal


Wrong philosophical premise, so wrong philosophical conclusion.

The rest is just religious indoctrination by conquerors and colonialists with no base in logic or reality. It is a ploy by all conquerors to subjugate inferior or conquered peoples to make them more malleable for exploitation. This was stated by the Roman empire in ancient Rome and perfected by the British and spanish in modern British and Spanish empires.
Peoples conquered by Arabs are also forcefully indoctinated to accept Arabic God and philosophy.

Lol .

You asked for proof the universe had a beginning I gave you a lot . And I told you that even if the universe is eternal , it does not preclude the existence of God because everything is contained/part of Him . And God is eternal .