I can understand that the ancient Egyptians or Greek's idea that there are these principles of day and night, lightning, war, love, sea , nature e.t.c and the need to personify it(Zeus, hermes, hades, Ra, e.t.c).

It is very understandable and even more reasonable than Monotheism(the idea that there is only one God). That to me is the height of delusion and absolute loss of rational thinking.

Apologists tend to use the watch and the watch-maker illustration as an example of why there should be a God but with close examination, that same illustration gives away the idea of mono-theism, how?

Yes, a watch must have a watchmaker, but those that mean that every knowledge that ever had to do with creating a watch originated from this watchmaker?, those it also mean that there is only one and one alone in the history of watchmaking?.

The idea that there is only one God is just as ridiculous as there being only one watchmaker in the whole world, it doesn't make any sense and the fact that people would carry on believing in something that doesn't make an rational sense is beyond puzzling.

If truly there is one God, and he really does exist, then it is understandable why he is such a sadist, self-absorbed, incompetent, selfish being.

donnffd:
I can understand that the ancient Egyptians or Greek's idea that there are these principles of day and night, lightning, war, love, sea , nature e.t.c and the need to personify it(Zeus, hermes, hades, Ra, e.t.c).

It is very understandable and even more reasonable than Monotheism(the idea that there is only one God). That to me is the height of delusion and absolute loss of rational thinking.

Apologists tend to use the watch and the watch-maker illustration as an example of why there should be a God but with close examination, that same illustration gives away the idea of mono-theism, how?

Yes, a watch must have a watchmaker, but those that mean that every knowledge that ever had to do with creating a watch originated from this watchmaker?, those it also mean that there is only one and one alone in the history of watchmaking?.

The idea that there is only one God is just as ridiculous as there being only one watchmaker in the whole world, it doesn't make any sense and the fact that people would carry on believing in something that doesn't make an rational sense is beyond puzzling.

If truly there is one God, and he really does exist, then it is understandable why he is such a sadist, self-absorbed, incompetent, selfish being.

The bolded nailed it..
I need not argue further.

donnffd:
I can understand that the ancient Egyptians or Greek's idea that there are these principles of day and night, lightning, war, love, sea , nature e.t.c and the need to personify it(Zeus, hermes, hades, Ra, e.t.c).

It is very understandable and even more reasonable than Monotheism(the idea that there is only one God). That to me is the height of delusion and absolute loss of rational thinking.

Apologists tend to use the watch and the watch-maker illustration as an example of why there should be a God but with close examination, that same illustration gives away the idea of mono-theism, how?

Yes, a watch must have a watchmaker, but those that mean that every knowledge that ever had to do with creating a watch originated from this watchmaker?, those it also mean that there is only one and one alone in the history of watchmaking?.

The idea that there is only one God is just as ridiculous as there being only one watchmaker in the whole world, it doesn't make any sense and the fact that people would carry on believing in something that doesn't make an rational sense is beyond puzzling.

If truly there is one God, and he really does exist, then it is understandable why he is such a sadist, self-absorbed, incompetent, selfish being.

your mentality is really one that needs scrubbing o.... lols you are funny to your detriment... NOW LETS LOOK AT THE WATCH MAKER, the question is not the one who makes wristwatches... ITS ACTUALLY THE INVENTOR.... INVENTION IS CREATION, only ONE invents... we have many MAKERS but ONE CREATOR..... because to CREATE IS NOT THE SAME AS PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER, CREATING IS ACTUALLY BRINGING WHAT WAS NOT EXISTING INTO EXISTENCE AND IT CAN BE IMPROVED UPON, We have only one NAIRALAND but the IDEA of FORUM was not invented FIRST by the owner of NAIRALAND, for the owner of NAIRALAND simply applied what was already in existence amongst many FORUMS.

WHEN YOU PEOPLE COME HERE TO TRY TO PUT UP YOUR MUNDANE BELIEFS UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO ARE WATCHERS AND WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN EVEN FROM THE ANCIENT DAYS, TO PROVE THE VALIDITY OF THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY WISE GOD, IN HIS WISDOM ALL YOUR RANTING IS PURE FOOLISHNESS..... because there is only ONE YOU.... If we now follow your ideology and claim MANY gods, then the gods will be of importance as only what they have made.... no one will need the go of stone or the god of plastic if the person is already wealthy and working with the god of FIRE n IRON, then we would also tend to learn that there are hierarchy in the order of gods, ad eventually still arrive at the unavoidable conclusive fact that these others gods also are subject to another god who can do all what the other gods can do.... ALL THESE TALKS WILL STILL NOT MAKE YOU CHOOSE YOUR FATE IN THE AFTER-LIFE...... Jesus is the way, the truth and the life..... you can not come now with ideologies based on lame theories and start a new order that really has no foundation. it will end you up in confusion. the devil is the author of confusion, do not be his assistant.

Let's ignore the Christian explanation of the bible and take a closer look. Now you can see monotheism actually being polytheism; various gods having different roles for different reasons. Satan,Yahweh, Angels,demons,Baal actually had different roles to play,just like other religion.

Yahweh is a combination of different deities just like the Greek had many gods, same as Egyptians , Yorubas, Hindus etc. Christianity hijacked their philosophy to seem different. The attempt to give all power/ fairy tale brilliance of the univers to one God actually diminishes it's brilliance.

It is obvious the bible meant polytheism.

tripplephi:


your mentality is really one that needs scrubbing o.... lols you are funny to your detriment... NOW LETS LOOK AT THE WATCH MAKER, the question is not the one who makes wristwatches... ITS ACTUALLY THE INVENTOR.... INVENTION IS CREATION, only ONE invents... we have many MAKERS but ONE CREATOR..... because to CREATE IS NOT THE SAME AS PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER, CREATING IS ACTUALLY BRINGING WHAT WAS NOT EXISTING INTO EXISTENCE AND IT CAN BE IMPROVED UPON, We have only one NAIRALAND but the IDEA of FORUM was not invented FIRST by the owner of NAIRALAND, for the owner of NAIRALAND simply applied what was already in existence amongst many FORUMS.

WHEN YOU PEOPLE COME HERE TO TRY TO PUT UP YOUR MUNDANE BELIEFS UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO ARE WATCHERS AND WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN EVEN FROM THE ANCIENT DAYS, TO PROVE THE VALIDITY OF THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY WISE GOD, IN HIS WISDOM ALL YOUR RANTING IS PURE FOOLISHNESS..... because there is only ONE YOU.... If we now follow your ideology and claim MANY gods, then the gods will be of importance as only what they have made.... no one will need the go of stone or the god of plastic if the person is already wealthy and working with the god of FIRE n IRON, then we would also tend to learn that there are hierarchy in the order of gods, ad eventually still arrive at the unavoidable conclusive fact that these others gods also are subject to another god who can do all what the other gods can do.... ALL THESE TALKS WILL STILL NOT MAKE YOU CHOOSE YOUR FATE IN THE AFTER-LIFE...... Jesus is the way, the truth and the life..... you can not come now with ideologies based on lame theories and start a new order that really has no foundation. it will end you up in confusion. the devil is the author of confusion, do not be his assistant.

My friend! U said it all!..tanks a lot for explaining it to him!...God Bless You Dear!

ifenes:

Let's ignore the Christian explanation of the bible and take a closer look. Now you can see monotheism actually being polytheism; various gods having different roles for different reasons. Satan,Yahweh, Angels,demons,Baal actually had different roles to play,just like other religion.

Yahweh is a combination of different deities just like the Greek had many gods, same as Egyptians , Yorubas, Hindus etc. Christianity hijacked their philosophy to seem different. The attempt to give all power/ fairy tale brilliance of the univers to one God actually diminishes it's brilliance.

It is obvious the bible meant polytheism.

Dat one concern u oooo..

tripplephi:


your mentality is really one that needs scrubbing o.... lols you are funny to your detriment... NOW LETS LOOK AT THE WATCH MAKER, the question is not the one who makes wristwatches... ITS ACTUALLY THE INVENTOR.... INVENTION IS CREATION, only ONE invents... we have many MAKERS but ONE CREATOR..... because to CREATE IS NOT THE SAME AS PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER, CREATING IS ACTUALLY BRINGING WHAT WAS NOT EXISTING INTO EXISTENCE AND IT CAN BE IMPROVED UPON, We have only one NAIRALAND but the IDEA of FORUM was not invented FIRST by the owner of NAIRALAND, for the owner of NAIRALAND simply applied what was already in existence amongst many FORUMS.

You seem to drive home my point even more...

You start with invention, only one invents, yes, i agree but can there be invention without knowledge?, can there be knowledge with interaction?, can there be interaction without a group?...

Using the same watch illustration:

Noone would think about creating a watch if people ddnt need it.

People wouldnt need a watch if there was no concept of time.

The inventor of a watch wouldn't have been able to build a watch without prior knowledge of gears, pulley and levers in which he obviously ddnt invent.

The concept of timing, hours, seconds, days,months e.t.c was also a concept incorporated into the invention in which he obviously had no input to.

WHEN YOU PEOPLE COME HERE TO TRY TO PUT UP YOUR MUNDANE BELIEFS UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO ARE WATCHERS AND WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN EVEN FROM THE ANCIENT DAYS, TO PROVE THE VALIDITY OF THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY WISE GOD, IN HIS WISDOM ALL YOUR RANTING IS PURE FOOLISHNESS..... because there is only ONE YOU.... If we now follow your ideology and claim MANY gods, then the gods will be of importance as only what they have made.... no one will need the go of stone or the god of plastic if the person is already wealthy and working with the god of FIRE n IRON, then we would also tend to learn that there are hierarchy in the order of gods, ad eventually still arrive at the unavoidable conclusive fact that these others gods also are subject to another god who can do all what the other gods can do.... ALL THESE TALKS WILL STILL NOT MAKE YOU CHOOSE YOUR FATE IN THE AFTER-LIFE...... Jesus is the way, the truth and the life..... you can not come now with ideologies based on lame theories and start a new order that really has no foundation. it will end you up in confusion. the devil is the author of confusion, do not be his assistant.

The idea is not to promote polytheism, but to acknowledge that its a far better option to monotheism.
Noone is an island, and so the concept that only one being who existed before every other being and just happened to have infinite knowledge is absurded because by definition, knowledge is a shared commodity.

How do you know you are you?, because you see other people and can differentiate them.

How do you know how to speak?, because you grow up in a community that expresses themselves speaking

How do you know you are alive?, because you withness other people being alive.

If you were locked up in a tower the day you were born for twenty years and suddenly was released, what exactly would you know?

The answer is simple, Nothing

Knowledge is a product of a shared community...

The fact that your God knows anything at all means he must also be a product of a community.

Noone can be an island of knowledge

Your rant makes no sense. It would have been better if you shut your mouth than release this stinky pile of shït.

Jeez , if you mean this rigmarole is irrational and illogical then I agree with you . What kind of delusion is this

Personally, I think when Christianity throws in Satan, and the trinity, we get into polytheism.

Of course, the Trinity was a REALLY hot debate topic then, and is now, and will always be as long as Christianity exists in the world. "3=1 and 1=3, just accept the mystery."

So I suppose I see four gods in the Christian faith.

ichommy:
Personally, I think when Christianity throws in Satan, and the trinity, we get into polytheism.

Of course, the Trinity was a REALLY hot debate topic then, and is now, and will always be as long as Christianity exists in the world. "3=1 and 1=3, just accept the mystery."

So I suppose I see four gods in the Christian faith.

A correct thought because satan also is a deity.. the thing is monotheism is just an offshoot of polytheism.

A particular civilization upgrading a particular deity to a universal level and denying the existence of others - the first attempt of monotheism is the egyptian Pharoah Akenaton who championed the God Aten to the position of the only God during his reign.

same event was also captured in a suble way in the bible - story of ahab and jezebel, jezebel was trying to make Baal the national God instead of yahweh.

The conventional christian terminology is polytheic though they say otherwise.

3 entities, all equally God and another diety in advsersary (satan) and many other ways.

ancients myths has a God for every thing the christians has a saint for everything. this is just a masked polytheism.