kevoh:
Debunking Source: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World

Presbulg:

1. Legend tells of an Arab goat herder who
noticed their change in mood when his goats ate
a certain berry. He boiled the berries and came
up with the first coffee.

Presbulg:


2. The ancient Greeks thought light emitted from
the eye (like a laser) causing us to see. It was a
Muslim mathematician in the 10th Century that
instead realized light entered into the eye.
Astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham
invented the first pin-hole camera after
observing light entering a hole in the shutters. The
smaller the hole was, the clearer the image.

Presbulg:


Obviously goofed on this big time. Will look up the site
@Kevoh Thanks

Presbulg:


Obviously goofed on this big time. Will look up the site
@Kevoh Thanks

Demmzy15:
Don't mind that guy, wikiislam is an anti islamic site. All their articles is directed at supposedly refuting Muslims, whereas they're making fools of themselves!

kevoh:

Is refuting something false a bad thing? Any ideology that is scared of constructive criticism was never a solid and true ideology. If you have proof that all what's provided in that link are false please provide it, let's learn something new

Firstly, if you want to refute anything, present from unbiased sites. Imagine "wikiislam" which wanted to supposedly refuted the Halocline phenomenon in the Qur'an presenting only sources from Wikipedia about estuaries and other mushroom sources. The remaining of the article was from the writers brain and he claimed to be an oceanographer.

Secondly, for you to think anyone would be going through the articles which are written purposely for hatred of Islam, I think you must be joking. It's just as if you say, we should go through "Answeringislam" site and start refuting? No one is jobless her!

Demmzy15:
Firstly, if you want to refute anything, present from unbiased sites. Imagine "wikiislam" which wanted to supposedly refuted the Halocline phenomenon in the Qur'an presenting only sources from Wikipedia about estuaries and other mushroom sources. The remaining of the article was from the writers brain and he claimed to be an oceanographer.

Secondly, for you to think anyone would be going through the articles which are written purposely for hatred of Islam, I think you must be joking. It's just as if you say, we should go through "Answeringislam" site and start refuting? No one is jobless here!

Early Observations and Experiments

The basic optical principles of the pinhole are commented on in Chinese texts from the fifth century BC. Chinese writers had discovered by experiments that light travels in straight lines. The philosopher Mo Ti (later Mo Tsu) was the first – to our knowledge – to record the formation of an inverted image with a pinhole or screen. Mo Ti was aware that objects reflect light in all directions, and that rays from the top of an object, when passing through a hole, will produce the lower part of an image (Hammond 1981:1). According to Hammond, there is no further reference to the camera obscura in Chinese texts until the ninth century AD, when Tuan Chheng Shih refers to an image in a pagoda. Shen Kua later corrected his explanation of the image. Yu Chao-Lung in the tenth century used model pagodas to make pinhole images on a screen. However, no geometric theory on image formation resulted from these experiments and observations (Hammond 1981:2).
http://photo.net/learn/pinhole/pinhole

kevoh:


I still do not see the relevance of all you typed up there to this present thread. The whole thing was screaming: I am muslim therefore anything no matter how remotely true is Anti-Islam basically how some Nigerian Imams preach.

Let's take the camera for example: Here's a quote from a site that deals purely with photography, nothing religious

How does the above post correlate to being anti-islam? If you read further the Arab physicist was also mentioned but in the tenth century. How is this false? And how is this Anti-Islam?

Like I said in this other silly thread : https://www.nairaland.com/3255037/whats-contributions-christianity-modern-science#47986558 Threads like this are just pointless chest beating between Christians and Muslims. All these inventions are rarely based on the religious principle itself.

Demmzy15:


Wikiislam is an anti islamic website, it was dedicated to spread lies against Islam. When you want to debate, bring unbiased sources, quote scholars not some rubbish apologetic websites.

WikiIslam is an anti-Islamic wiki, describing itself as "[a wiki with] 2500+ critical articles on various areas of Islam based on its own sources, the Qur'an, hadith and Islamic scholars."

It was launched on September 4, 2006, in collaboration with Ali Sina and Faith Freedom International (FFI) who provided the site with server space and exposure.

......WikiIslam claims to be neutral towards all religions except Islam

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/WikiIslam



Hope the info above would explain something to you, wikiislam is not a reliable source for researching about Islam.



Inventions are religiously based to some extent, people like Arabs, Turks, Blacks all suddenly became achievers solely because of Islam. Islam as you know requires you search for knowledge in order to benefit the society. So you can find Muslims who travel all the way from Uzbekistan to Egypt just to acquire knowledge. So it greatly influenced it!

true2god:
[s]Muslim or Arab inventions? I never heard of Christian, Jewish, Budist, Hindu, Shinto or Babalawo inventions. Why are Muslims always trying to let the world know they are truly the best of mankind (Quran 3:110) and we infidels are the worst of creatures (qurann 98:6), according to allahh? And yet the Muslims, like babies, cannot feed themselves but have to migrate to the land of the infidels, US, Germany, France, Britain, Sweden, Canada, Australia, etc in order to get a better life.

Muslim inventors should migrate to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Libya, etc where we infidels will not disturb them and allahh instead of running to we kafirs.[/s]

Maamin:
[s]When Arabs invent it is termed as Muslim inventions in islam. When Arabs bomb and terrorise it is to be disregarded as muslims or Islamic. Kontinu lying and being dishonest @op

..making devil to be pouring more of his hard earned costly kerosine inside ur own awaiting special fire in hell[/s].

parisbookaddict:


Wiki islam is a collection of facts about islam and many of its contributors are academics, exmuslims and scholars including atheists. .

You are just scared of the truth

crusadistic:

OK,let's just assume you're correct.

But why can't you people just for once present your information from an academic,non anti-islamic source...

parisbookaddict:

Of course i am correct.. no need to assume..


Thats because to u and other islamists like you any site that says the truth about islam is anti islamic or Islamophobic..

Most sites like jihadwatch, wikiislam and answering islam, answering muslims are run but published authors and theology scholars but you bigotry will not allow you appreciate that..


■"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

crusadistic:

Go and argue with the historians who term it Islamic civilization. There is also reason they say western civilization and not xtian

kilo4sure:

[s]Science and invention has been on for a very long time in the world, the more united and prosperous a society is the more creative it becomes. This also happened with Great Britain, when they had their industrial revolution. Note also that no Muslim scientists of the ancient world can be compared to the likes of Newton, Albert Einstein, Leonardo, or even Archimedes of Ancient Greece. If Islam truly inspires science this should not be the case. Muslims only improved on existing science( which is marvelous), but if you take away the contribution of Muslims just like the Hindus and Chinese, the world would hardly feel it compared to that of say Newton, Faraday or lord kelvin.[/s]

crusadistic:

In other words,there existed cave men living in Europe then wahlaa! all of a sudden appeared them Galileo, Newton,Faraday,kelvin...

kilo4sure:

Why is the muslim world not as advanced if they were truly that great? Why didn't we have computers,aeroplanes,radio,etc from them.
Like l said, the Muslims had access to Greek books the Christians did not have until they came in contact with Muslims, then they went beyond what the Muslims,chinese, or even the greeks had ever done.

terrezo2002:
Do you think it is easy to invent explosive vest? Please respect these people and their religion o.
It takes knowledge of combination of physics, chemistry and biology to make these things

crusadistic:

Muslims far advanced what was to be found in those greek books which was more of philosophizing than actual science with some exception in Greek mathematics.Moreover,how did the europeans even come in contact with the greek books in the first place?
My main point here is on ISLAM...all those advancements were all from different races not even arab alone and all happened under the Islamic caliphates.were the Muslims to suddenly surpass the west today,I wouldn't place the achievement on Islam,as we know they are run more according to the west than Islam.

kilo4sure:

If that is your point, then you are right, Islam brought them all under one rule which enabled unity and progress. But again this is not unique to Islam. When the Roman Empire fell due to Babarian attacks, the barbarians themselves were all brought together by Christianity because they converted to the christian religion. The church then helped in preservation of Roman culture and Europe ascended slowly. Contrary to what some atheists would tell you, the dark ages was the natural result of the fall of the Roman empire and this was inevitable. Also the catholic church was all for learning, and there were great philosophers and readers in those days. The difference is that they only improved slowly and did not have access to the works of the Greeks like the Muslims.
The real reason why the west took science to another level from the 15th century is majorly because of the printing press. The printing press was most useful to the Europeans because they felt the need to print the bible for everyone to read. With the advent of protestant theology, salvation for the individual souls was dependent on the bible, so everyone had to read the bible, this improved literacy rate in the west by far, and in turn, tons of scientific materials were printed as well, and studied by the common man.

crusadistic:

[s]Go and argue with the historians who term it Islamic civilization. There is also reason they say western civilization and not xtian[/s]

parisbookaddict:


Wiki islam is a collection of facts about islam and many of its contributors are academics, exmuslims and scholars including atheists. .

You are just scared of the truth