hopefuLandlord:


Saying its "perfect" is totally wrong, you need to study more about how our solar system operates, go deeper in it and you'll know its FAR from perfect

"Well organised" can be misleading, since there's even organization in chaos if you look hard enough


You need to study a lot of other animals bro, like The dusky antechinus and others, Google is your friend

And about originating from nothing; I DON'T KNOW, but I won't fill that gap with an imaginary being either


I am not mad with religion or god bro, that's a misconception

Efewestern:


lolx which 1 be that again na.. Abeg i nor b muslim.. I love the way u Reply that jonny of a Guy.. but nexr time ignore them..

Good evening brother

Owliver:
am not religious but I go to church though. Catholic church.

Owliver:
I don't know or believe the religious myths but what I know is. time is not infinite even scientist agree to it.

what was before time? what created time? who designed our concept of life?

science says everything came out of nothing fine then let that "Nothing" be God. that will be the only example where nothing will be something.

even science with her best guess has become a laughing show on those questions, popping out stupid hypotheses.

U should study a little quantum physics where something actually pop out of nothing. If the big is constituted of the small (quantum mechanics) and we know that things can pop out of nothing in the small, can't these accumulate over a long period of time

the atheists argue just to reassure themselves Lolz. A non existence being must be so powerful to be able to give them head ache.

if they channel their frustration at religion it will be a lot easier but to challenge God(nothing)(who knows)(unknown knowledge) that is so sick and uncalled for. how much time do we have to wonder about what cannot be verified.

Lolz.

until they prove no God(which I doubt) there will forever be a God or nothing to fill the gap....

We should prove there is no God sorry to disappoint u we can't. The same way we can't prove that Peter Pan is not real.
I mean u made a claim u are yet to prove and u are telling me to disprove what u are yet to prove, that's like disproving nothing.

Owliver:
Choi LMAO. bro am irreligious but there can't be no God. tell me what was before Big Bang?

your judgement is based on the religious explanations which have also discouraged me. but God? think again.

ValentineMary:

Because we don't know God did it. Nice logic.

Well I prefer invoking Peter Pan in the face of ignorance thanks.

ValentineMary:

At ur ignorance u call God to fill it, that's not how intelligent people reason. Let us assume u were born 600 years ago and I asked u how lightening comes about, u would most likely ans that a deity did it simply because ur knowledge stops there. If we are to continuously call a God to fill our ignorance, then say bye bye to scientific discoveries and innovation. If u are going to place God at ur ignorance then he/she/it would forever remain a receding pocket of scientific discoveries.


U should study a little quantum physics where something actually pop out of nothing. If the big is constituted of the small (quantum mechanics) and we know that things can pop out of nothing in the small, can't these accumulate over a long period of time


Lolz. It is funny how u actually dwell on ur speculation as ultimate truth. Some atheist hardly talk of religion outside nairaland. Some like me don't believe in any human God(s) so I see no need reassuring myself just because majority of my fellow Nigerians believe it.

U describe God as unknown knowledge, this is intellectual sloth and in the academic world if u call God at where u are ignorant, nobody takes ur statement serious.



We should prove there is no God sorry to disappoint u we can't. The same way we can't prove that Peter Pan is not real.
I mean u made a claim u are yet to prove and u are telling me to disprove what u are yet to prove, that's like disproving nothing.

Efewestern:
Did a research on that and later found out that the Appearance of the dog later stage was as a result of Cross breeding and not one Evolution crap as portrayed by Seun.

Owliver:
wonderful. so tell me what is that "nothing".... the "nothing" must be so intelligent to create a complex machine like the human system.

what is that nothing? I don't know, you don't know. religious people have tried and tried but no one knows.

That nothing is God(knowledge unknown)....

are we clear now?

oglalasioux:


In my opinion the traditional African gods are built around the same lies with the Abrahamic gods. My conclusion is that the powers purportedly attributed to anything god is one and the same with the laws of physics. There is no recorded miracle, except the fake ones, that doesn't have scientific explanation.

I understand that when men encountered the laws of physics for the first time they were so awestruck that they concluded it can only be the gods manifesting. But over the years same man manipulated these laws, kind of shifting the goal post in the middle of the game, and still claim they are instructions from the gods. But gods cannot act like that. It's been men all along. Religion is just a cover.

johnydon22:

if you have been noticing me like you claim you would have noticed i'm rarely active here of recent neither do i feel the need to engage in long arguments anymore.

johnydon22:


Almost certainly true - Gods are anthropomorphical personification of the laws of physics.



If a faithful account was rendered of Man’s ideas upon Divinity, he would be obliged to acknowledge, that for the most part the word ‘gods’ has been used to express the concealed, remote, unknown causes of the effects he witnessed; that he applies this term when the spring of the natural, the source of known causes, ceases to be visible: as soon as he loses the thread of these causes, or as soon as his mind can no longer follow the chain, he solves the difficulty, terminates his research, by ascribing it to his gods . . . When, therefore, he ascribes to his gods the production of some phenomenon . . . does he, in fact, do any thing more than substitute for the darkness of his own mind, a sound to which he has been accustomed to listen with reverential awe? "

AnonyNymous:

Same bro, same. . . after a while you realise the futility in engaging these people. They just can't apply logic. Lol. Its a waste of time for the most part, having 'discussions' with them

hopefuLandlord:


Bros, not every atheist accept the big bang theory bro

If you ask me how we came about, I'll simply say "I don't know" but most people just fill that gap in knowledge with an imaginary being

But like I said; the world is NOT perfect, it could be better

ValentineMary:

From the bold text, I can say that u mean God is nothing and I kind of agree.

Must there be a creator? can't we be an accidental product of an infinite uncreated nature?

ValentineMary:

From the bold text, I can say that u mean God is nothing and I kind of agree.

Must there be a creator? can't we be an accidental product of an infinite uncreated nature?

johnydon22:


Sometime ago i was baby sitting my sister's 11 month old daughter, she was seated on the floor playing with some toys, i was on my phone but had a constant eye on her.

I noticed as she was trying to put a bigger toy through a small rubber bracelet, i knew it was impossible.

Naturally there is a need to correct this, you'd be compelled to but i kept watching her and started thinking.

"there is nothing i tell her right now that will matter or be relevant as her level of consciousness is still at that naive stage, so even though correcting her is good it is still irrelevant at that stage therefore useless"

I then likened it to NL..

When you see myths, superstitions and most times ignorant postulations, you feel the need to correct them, you are compelled to speak [that is why a lot of irreligious people speak against religions] but then again even though it is ok it is still irrelevant.

So i realized certainly we are all at different level of consciousness, there is a certain stage of illumination you get where all you want to do is speak your truth and not convince people of it.

It is irrelavent convincing a baby they should walking when they are at that stage of crawling - that truth is meaningless to them.

Endless debates, going in circles and emotional banters are not only irrelevant but also useless.

so when ever you can simply speak your truth and not convince or argue endlessly over it.

Owliver:
there must be a cause. accidentally or otherwise. my point is, every religion defines God in different ways including science.

then why do you call yourself atheist? doesn't make sense. even that "nothing" that created everything can be termed "intelligent" therefore God.

you are judging God base on religion that's why you refuse to believe. religion is bullshit but leave God out of it.

Atheist think they are angry with God but no they are angry with religion but channel the anger to God who has little or nothing to do with religion.

stop fighting God. appreciate it. and move on.

There must be a cause surely but is it an animate cause or inanimate cause I don't know but I don't believe it is animate else who caused the cause

And moreover am not angry at God because I know it is just an excuse for people to perpetuate evil. Saying am angry at God is like saying am angry for spiderman for not saving his girlfriend. That's ridiculous.

Well I can't call an inanimate object a God.

kilo4sure:

Lol, the world is not perfect it could be better, really? If chaos could arrange your brain so well even to the extent that you value your thoughts and decisions in most cases, don't you at least agree that is quiet amazing and unnatural. What you may list as imperfections doesn't preclude the fact that accidental chaos guided by only time and chance would not produce the world we see, the probability is low. I don't know about you, but to me this doesn't seem logical at all. Yes you are against religion, l have nothing against that. You claim that you do not know what may be responsible for life or order in the universe, fine l also do not know. But by reason l claim that there must be an extra ordinary first cause which we are still out to understand even as we continually discover and learn( this has nothing to do with religion) but by your own reason you do not accept this premise. Which makes me wonder, do you reject this premise only based on logic, or just your bias against religion?

ValentineMary:

There must be a cause surely but is it an animate cause or inanimate cause I don't know but I don't believe it is animate else who caused the cause

And moreover am not angry at God because I know it is just an excuse for people to perpetuate evil. Saying am angry at God is like saying am angry for spiderman for not saving his girlfriend. That's ridiculous.

Well I can't call an inanimate object a God.

frank317:


I really don't get ur point. You claim there must be an extraordinary first cause, how does that answer the question: how did we come to be? You would quite agree with me that whatever this extraordinary first cause is, you have no idea, you don't even know why u think it's extraordinary. Now some people actually claim they know this first cause, they have spoken to it, it loves them, it gets angry, it protects and all that. Most cultures have come up with different models of extraordinary first cause and we know it's just guess work.
Now the atheists would rather just say we don't know... Why are y against that? Do you know this first cause? Didn't you just guess, like most primitive cultures, that it is extraordinary?
Why personify this so called first cause only to end up causing confusion amongst ourselves?
Further, how does guess and accepting that this fist cause is extraordinary help humanity? Since the fist cause has chosen to remain our if the picture, why do we still insist on making a guess work about what it is and bothering our lives, killing each other for it? What do we hope to achieve by dwelling on being right about our guesses?
Why don't we just accept that we don't know and dwell on making our world a better place until this first cause chooses to reveal himself to us.
Thank u.

frank317:


I really don't get ur point. You claim there must be an extraordinary first cause, how does that answer the question: how did we come to be? You would quite agree with me that whatever this extraordinary first cause is, you have no idea, you don't even know why u think it's extraordinary. Now some people actually claim they know this first cause, they have spoken to it, it loves them, it gets angry, it protects and all that. Most cultures have come up with different models of extraordinary first cause and we know it's just guess work.
Now the atheists would rather just say we don't know... Why are y against that? Do you know this first cause? Didn't you just guess, like most primitive cultures, that it is extraordinary?
Why personify this so called first cause only to end up causing confusion amongst ourselves?
Further, how does guess and accepting that this fist cause is extraordinary help humanity? Since the fist cause has chosen to remain our if the picture, why do we still insist on making a guess work about what it is and bothering our lives, killing each other for it? What do we hope to achieve by dwelling on being right about our guesses?
Why don't we just accept that we don't know and dwell on making our world a better place until this first cause chooses to reveal himself to us.
Thank u.

kilo4sure:

Does this sound reasonable to you? That everything about you, your brain, eyes, legs, etc which all seem to serve one purpose or the other are nothing but accidents? I just seek to understand your thoughts here and why you think this way.

Owliver:
there must be a cause. accidentally or otherwise. my point is, every religion defines God in different ways including science.

then why do you call yourself atheist? doesn't make sense. even that "nothing" that created everything can be termed "intelligent" therefore God.

you are judging God base on religion that's why you refuse to believe. religion is bullshit but leave God out of it.

Atheist think they are angry with God but no they are angry with religion but channel the anger to God who has little or nothing to do with religion.

stop fighting God. appreciate it. and move on.

frank317:


Do you even know what atheism means? Atheist's say they don't believe in God because there is no prove of his existence, all we have see guess work like: our brain is well organised therefore there MUST be GOD.

Who has ever to you that something came out of nothing? Even the scientific postulations still do not actually have knowledge of the first cause. So why argue out of misconception.

Why do most theists hate the big bang theory (big bang is a scientific, not atheist, theory, pls do your self good and read more about it) which to me is part of the numerous idea on how we came about? Why are theists against it. The postulation is peacful.. it does not claim to be perfect like the religion ideas, it does not seek to kill for its idea, it does not claim it must be right otherwise you would be punished.
Again pls go read what atheism means... You actually sounds like one... You sound like you are arguing against what u believe in.

Seun:
Really?

Ok, answer this:
1. What was the modern German Shepherd cross-bred with to generate it's severely slanted back and legs? A frog?
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3964448_1904sgraribertvongrafrathschh3_jpeg11a844c09a5404549815f5af9a1d461c www.nairaland.com/attachments/3964449_va1ballackvonderbruckneralleeipo3_jpeg7a3bb5b5ab8cbede17050c3a79d1aec9

2. What kind of alien monster was the bull terrier crossed with to generate it's egg-shaped face?
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3964440_pitbullterrier_jpeg68313798e51872e2d695470016e76e0a

Seun:
Really?

Ok, answer this:
1. What was the modern German Shepherd cross-bred with to generate it's severely slanted back and legs? A frog?
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3964448_1904sgraribertvongrafrathschh3_jpeg11a844c09a5404549815f5af9a1d461c www.nairaland.com/attachments/3964449_va1ballackvonderbruckneralleeipo3_jpeg7a3bb5b5ab8cbede17050c3a79d1aec9

2. What kind of alien monster was the bull terrier crossed with to generate it's egg-shaped face?
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3964440_pitbullterrier_jpeg68313798e51872e2d695470016e76e0a