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Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by DoctorAlien(m): 12:15am On Sep 12, 2016
Moreover, polygamy only brought trouble and problems to the men who practised it.

Abraham through the bondwoman gave birth to Ishmael which was to strive with Israel.

Solomon's many wives led him astray from GOD and caused him to go a whoring after other gods.

David had to shut up his concubines and never knew them again till his death because Absalom went in to them.

Surely GOD didn't plan these things for these people, did He? No!
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by raphieMontella: 12:16am On Sep 12, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
I am not sure I understand you. How do you know what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to know who has blasphemed and who hasn't?
lol..
One said the holy spirit told them they are correct..and doing of something else is wrong and inevitably leads to hell..
The other says the opposite in the name of that same holy spirit..
U catch?
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by Ranchhoddas: 12:18am On Sep 12, 2016
raphieMontella:

lol..
One said the holy spirit told them they are correct..and doing of something else is wrong and inevitably leads to hell..
The other says the opposite in the name of that same holy spirit..
U catch?
Who told you these things. Are you making things up again?
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by EyeHateGod: 12:24am On Sep 12, 2016
DoctorAlien:


We don't stone non-virgins to death. Jesus never passed a death sentence on the woman caught in the act of adultery.

Jesus came to seek and save that which is lost.
But u just said ur Church followed the Bible Na ?

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Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by EyeHateGod: 12:26am On Sep 12, 2016
DoctorAlien:
Moreover, polygamy only brought trouble and problems to the men who practised it.

Abraham through the bondwoman gave birth to Ishmael which was to strive with Israel.

Solomon's many wives led him astray from GOD and caused him to go a whoring after other gods.

David had to shut up his concubines and never knew them again till his death because Absalom went in to them.

Surely GOD didn't plan these things for these people, did He? No!
Lol one thing they all have in Common? GOD Still loves them well according to ur bible undecided
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by DoctorAlien(m): 12:27am On Sep 12, 2016
EyeHateGod:

But u just said ur Church followed the Bible Na ?

Yes, and a careful study of the Bible reveals that stoning non-virgins to death is not part of what GOD wants His church to do.
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by EyeHateGod: 12:31am On Sep 12, 2016
DoctorAlien:


Yes, and a careful study of the Bible reveals that stoning non-virgins to death is not part of what GOD wants His church to do.
But why is it in the Bible?

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Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by DoctorAlien(m): 12:33am On Sep 12, 2016
EyeHateGod:

Lol one thing they all have in Common? GOD Still loves them well according to ur bible undecided

Yes, just as He loved the woman caught in adultery. Now, polygamy is not according to GOD's plan, though GOD allowed it.

Israel asked for a king over them. This wasn't GOD's plan for them, but he allowed it and gave them Saul as king.

Did you know meat-eating was not part of GOD's plan for man? GOD created Adam a vegetarian. (Gen. 1:29). But after the flood, GOD permitted meat.

So, GOD allowed polygamy, but He doesn't support it.
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by raphieMontella: 12:39am On Sep 12, 2016
DoctorAlien:


The bolded part: How?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_to_Timothy

2 Sam 12:8 "I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom..."

It simply means GOD gave David control over everything that belonged to Saul.
control over women in what way exactly?
Polygamy was already in practice, and David took Bethsheba, Uriah's wife too. Was that GOD's plan for him? No.[/quote]
i dont understand..
Yahweh affirmed his statement in deut 21:15..
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by Zellie: 12:39am On Sep 12, 2016
In order words, God allows murder but he doesn't support it . WTF?

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Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by DoctorAlien(m): 12:40am On Sep 12, 2016
EyeHateGod:

But why is it in the Bible?

Any country in this world has a ruler, and a law/constitution, and a set of penalties for breaking its law/constitution.

Ancient Israel practised Theocracy: GOD was King over them. And so they had no physical king. GOD's constitution by which He ruled Israel was the 10 Commandments.

Now, we are talking about GOD and not man. A GOD who hates sin with a hatred that cannot be uttered. And what is sin? Breaking GOD's law. (1 Jn 3:4)

Now, transgressing the commandments attracted varying degrees of penalties which GOD himself as King over them set. Stealing involved restituting (in many cases, more than twofolds). Breaking the Sabbath involved death.

However, theocracy ended with ancient Israel and nobody has the right to take another man's life for any reason whatsoever again.
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by raphieMontella: 12:44am On Sep 12, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Who told you these things. Are you making things up again?
lol u ehn..
Ok deeper life and living faith(winners)
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by DoctorAlien(m): 12:49am On Sep 12, 2016
raphieMontella:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_to_Timothy

control over women in what way exactly?
Polygamy was already in practice, and David took Bethsheba, Uriah's wife too. Was that GOD's plan for him? No.
i dont understand..
Yahweh affirmed his statement in deut 21:15..

Deut. 21:15 doesn't say "thou shalt take unto thee more than one wife" does it? As a matter of fact, the verse begins with "if" -- "if it happens that a man takes two wives..." GOD was giving guidelines in that verse as to how a man is to treat the offspring of his wives.

Now, a man can never take another man's wive as long as that man is alive, because a woman is not free as long as her husband is alive. However, she is free if her husband is dead. (1 Cor. 7:39)

Notice that GOD handed over Saul's household and his wives to David after Saul's death? Notice also that David took Bathsheba only after Uriah's death.
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by raphieMontella: 1:01am On Sep 12, 2016
DoctorAlien:


Deut. 21:15 doesn't say "thou shalt take unto thee more than one wife" does it? As a matter of fact, the verse begins with "if" -- "if it happens that a man takes two wives..." GOD was giving guidelines in that verse as to how a man is the treat the offspring of his wives.
15 “If a man has two wives, one loved and the other [a]unloved, and both the loved and the unloved have born him sons, and the firstborn son
belongs to the unloved wife,[/quote]
he doesnt condemn it here..but it seems to say a man is free to take more than one wife..like the exodus verse gave...also moses who supposedly wrote these books had two wives..

Now, a man can never take another man's wive as long as that man is alive, because a woman is not free as long as her husband is alive. However, she is free if her husband is dead. (1 Cor. 7:39)
exod 21:10 says the opposite of this on the condition he feeds her well
..or are paul's words greater than yahweh's

Notice that GOD handed over Saul's household and his wives to David after Saul's death? Notice also that David took Bethsheba only after Uriah's death.
moses had two wives...abraham had 3...israel had four...
What happened to those guys?

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Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by hopefulLandlord: 1:02am On Sep 12, 2016
DoctorAllen
can you be kind enough to give us specific verses condemning Polygamy?
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by hopefulLandlord: 1:02am On Sep 12, 2016
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Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by DoctorAlien(m): 1:10am On Sep 12, 2016
raphieMontella:
exod 21:10 says the opposite of this on the condition he feeds her well
..or are paul's words greater than yahweh's

NO! Exodus 21:10 doesn't say you can take a man's wife while the man is alive, and so GOD was speaking through Paul.

I quoted 1 Cor.7:39 because I was adressing the fact that David took over Saul's house and wives.
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by DoctorAlien(m): 1:19am On Sep 12, 2016
hopefulLandlord:
DoctorAllen

can you be kind enough to give us specific verses condemning Polygamy?


First of all, GOD saw that Adam was lonely. He made Adam fall asleep and he took a rib from his side and made Eve, a woman. Now, we believe GOD knows what is best for us. If Adam needed more than one wife, why did GOD not take two or more ribs from his side and make many wives for him? Doesn't this show GOD had monogamy in mind for man?

Gen. 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." GOD did not say "cleave unto his wives."

In Matt. 19:3-9, Jesus says the two shall become one flesh. He did not say the three or four or five shall become one flesh.

Moreover, Christ Himself has set us a good example: He is betrothed to only one virgin: one church. And He will get married to only her in Heaven.
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by hopefulLandlord: 1:24am On Sep 12, 2016
There is not a single verse from the New Testament that prohibits polygamy. Christians usually mistakenly present the following verses from the Bible to prove that polygamy in the New Testament is not allowed:
Matthew 19:1-12 "1. When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to
the other side of the Jordan.
2. Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
3. Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason? "
4. "Haven't you read," he (Jesus) replied, "that at the beginning the Creator `made them male and female ,'
5. and said, `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh ' ?
6. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
7. "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"
8. Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
9. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
10. The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."
11. Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.
12. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
In the above verses, we see that Jesus was approached with a question about whether or not it is allowed for a man to divorce his wife in
Matthew 19:3 . Jesus immediately referred to the Old Testament for the answer in Matthew 19:4 . He referred to Adam and Eve, one man and one woman. The Old Testament does talk about the story of Adam and Eve as one husband and one wife. However, the Old Testament which Jesus had referred to in Matthew 19:3 does allow polygamy.
Also, when a man becomes a one flesh with his wife in Matthew 19:5-6 , this doesn't mean that the man can't be one flesh with another woman. He can be one flesh with his first wife, and one flesh with his second wife, and one flesh with his third wife and so on.... To further prove this point , let us look at the following from the New Testament:
Matthew 22:23-32 "23. That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question.
24. "Teacher," they said, "Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and have children for him.
25. Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother.
26. The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh.
27. Finally, the woman died.
28. Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her? "
29. Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
30. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
31. But about the resurrection of the dead--have you not read what God said to you,
32. `I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob' ? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
In Matthew 22:24-28 , the Jews referred to
Deuteronomy 25:5 from the Old Testament where it states that if a woman's husband dies, and she didn't have any kids from him, then she must marry his brother regardless whether he had a wife or not. When the Jews brought this situation up to Jesus in Matthew 22:24-28 , Jesus did not prohibit at all for the childless widow to marry her husband's brother (even if he were married ) .
Instead, Jesus replied to them by saying that we do not marry in heaven, and we will be like angels in heaven ( Matthew 22:30 ).
So in other words, if Jesus allowed for a widow to marry her former husband's brother even if he were married, then this negates the Christians' claim about the Bible prohibiting polygamy. A man can be one flesh with more than one woman. In the case of Matthew 22:24-28 , the man can be one flesh with his wife, and one flesh with his deceased brother's wife. Also keep in mind that Exodus 21:10 allows a man to marry an infinite amount of women, and Deuteronomy 21:15 allows a man to marry more than one wife.
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by EyeHateGod: 1:24am On Sep 12, 2016
DoctorAlien:


First of all, GOD saw that Adam was lonely. He made Adam fall asleep and he took a rib from his side and made Eve, a woman. Now, we believe GOD knows what is best for us. If Adam needed more than one wife, why did GOD not take two or more ribs from his side and make many wives for him? Doesn't this show GOD had monogamy in mind for man?
Why didn't God make two men or many out from dust? Are u seeing how ur logic sounds?

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Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by DoctorAlien(m): 1:32am On Sep 12, 2016
EyeHateGod:

Why didn't God made two men or many out from dust? Are u seeing how ur logic sounds?

There is nothing wrong with my logic. However, there is everything wrong with yours: GOD chose to create a man. And for that man, he created only one woman. (1 Cor. 11:9)

Why GOD didn't make more than one man? It pleased Him not to do so. Procreation rested on the one man He created.
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by DoctorAlien(m): 1:37am On Sep 12, 2016
Come to think of it: if, at any time, any man ever needed more than one wife, it would be Adam. Amid the vast forms of life which swarmed the earth: beasts and birds and fishes, Adam was the only one of His kind. Surely he needed many people to keep him company and ease boredom, no? Yet GOD in His infinite Wisdom gave Adam just one wife.

Do you think He ever had polygamy in mind for man?
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by EyeHateGod: 1:39am On Sep 12, 2016
DoctorAlien:

First of all, GOD saw that Adam was lonely. He made Adam fall asleep and he took a rib from his side and made Eve, a woman. Now, we believe GOD knows what is best for us. If Adam needed more than one wife, why did GOD not take two or more ribs from his side and make many wives for him? Doesn't this show GOD had monogamy in mind for man?
DoctorAlien:

Why GOD didn't make more than one man? It pleased Him not to do so. Procreation rested on the one man He created.
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by EyeHateGod: 1:40am On Sep 12, 2016
DoctorAlien:
Come to think of it: if, at any time, any man ever needed more than one wife, it would be Adam. Amid the vast forms of life which swarmed the earth: beasts and birds and fishes, Adam was the only one of His kind. Surely he needed many people to keep him company and ease boredom, no? Yet GOD in His infinite Wisdom gave Adam just one wife.

Do you think He ever had polygamy in mind for man?

Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by raphieMontella: 7:21am On Sep 12, 2016
DoctorAlien:


NO! Exodus 21:10 doesn't say you can take a man's wife while the man is alive, and so GOD was speaking through Paul.
10 If he marries again, her food, clothing, and privilege as a wife shall he not diminish[/quote]
note the words in blue...and tell me how this would be made if it were to apply to a man who's wife is dead

I quoted 1 Cor.7:30 because I was adressing the fact that David took over Saul's house and wives.
39 A wife is bound [to her husband by law] as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to
marry whomever she wishes, only [provided that
he too is] in the Lord.
This doesnt condemn polygamy now..three women can be bound to one man...
I just need a bible verse that says men are not allowed to marry more than one wives
and by the way..david had about 7 legal wives aside the one's given to him by yahweh..
BTW..if yahweh was against this...why didnt he say something about it to moses?..who he gave numerous laws..
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by Ranchhoddas: 7:21am On Sep 12, 2016
raphieMontella:

lol u ehn..
Ok deeper life and living faith(winners)
Winners members accused Deeper life members of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and vice versa? Hmmmm...You can lie ooo. When did this happen?
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by raphieMontella: 7:35am On Sep 12, 2016
DoctorAlien:
Come to think of it: if, at any time, any man ever needed more than one wife, it would be Adam. Amid the vast forms of life which swarmed the earth: beasts and birds and fishes, Adam was the only one of His kind. Surely he needed many people to keep him company and ease boredom, no? Yet GOD in His infinite Wisdom gave Adam just one wife.

Do you think He ever had polygamy in mind for man?
the same infinite wisdom that made him not create another man so as to avoid incest is the same wisdom here...
At best it can tell us that he doesnt approve of man-to-man other than polygamy
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by raphieMontella: 7:51am On Sep 12, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Winners members accused Deeper life members of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and vice versa? Hmmmm...You can lie ooo. When did this happen?
relax...

Deeper life member say ''female wearing of trousers,,make up etc is sinful and of the devil...says

winners say otherwise that it is not a sin..says god..

From this supposed singular dude....
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by Ranchhoddas: 8:38am On Sep 12, 2016
raphieMontella:

relax...

Deeper life member say ''female wearing of trousers,,make up etc is sinful and of the devil...says

winners say otherwise that it is not a sin..says god..

From this supposed singular dude....
You are making things up. They do not permit it but they do not call it sinful.
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by raphieMontella: 8:42am On Sep 12, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
You are making things up. They do not permit it but they do not call it sinful.
i am not making this up sire..i wish you could ask around...they even back it up with a verse in the bible..saying its of jezebel bla bla bla..
If you can...ask..
I didnt make it up.
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by Ranchhoddas: 8:57am On Sep 12, 2016
raphieMontella:

i am not making this up sire..i wish you could ask around...they even back it up with a verse in the bible..saying its of jezebel bla bla bla..
If you can...ask..
I didnt make it up.
You heard this from Kumuyi?
Re: The War Against Christianity....by Christians by DoctorAlien(m): 9:51am On Sep 12, 2016
raphieMontella:

10 If he marries again, her food, clothing, and privilege as a wife shall he not diminish
note the words in blue...and tell me how this would be made if it were to apply to a man who's wife is dead

You're getting yourself confused: are we talking about a man whose wife is dead, or a woman whose husband is dead? I said explicitly that although GOD allowed men to marry many wives, He was never in support of it. It wasn't His original plan for man. And check the whole Bible; nothing good -- absolutely nothing good is ever spoken about polygamy.

In Exod. 21:10, GOD was simply giving guideline on how a man is to treat his first wife if he marries another to avoid mistreating the first wife. Read carefully.

This in itself is another problem of polygamy; assuming a man had only one wife, will there be another woman to mistreat? or to love less?

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