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Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by AlBaqir(m): 12:22pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: # The hadith in question talks about creation and beginning of man. The ayah and the hadith in Buhari talks about The day of reckoning. # The hadith in question talks about Descendant of Adam - White and black man. The ayah talks about bright and dark Faces. # The hadith talks about racial selection and injustice placement with injustice statement of "I don't care". The ayah talks about Allah's selection based on belief and deeds. Really Allah cares as regard to these two in apportioning Paradise and Hell. How on earth can you marry these separate entities together and say it's the same? Haba! |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by sino(m): 12:49pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
AlBaqir: There is no deed in the text of the narration, I was explaining based on the understanding of what leads man into hell or paradise. It seems when you want to start this your probing the authenticity of sahih hadith in sunni books, you forget Islam totally, and argue like one who is alien to Islam. Another question, the narration says enter hell and enter paradise, are the descendants of Adam in either places now?! Does this not imply that it is referring to what would happen at the end?! I thought you pride yourself in understanding the metaphorical and all other figures of speech that is involved in communication in Arabic?! For the fact that Qur'an had mentioned people of the right, and people of the left, as well as those whose faces would be black, and those with white faces, should have been enough for a sincere believer. 2 Likes |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by sino(m): 1:07pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
AlBaqir:But you are the one questioning His wisdom and justice by poorly criticizing a narration you fail to understand. If I, a Professor in a University, enters a class for the first time and inform my students, in this class, there are two groups, those that would pass, and those that would fail. Have I been unjust?! It is a fact that there would be those who would fail and those who would pass, I have superior knowledge with regards to this, so I can boldly inform the class of this, at the beginning of the class. AlBaqir:What would you say of a man who had been righteous, and close to his last days, he committed shrik?! or an idol worshipper who died fews days after accepting Islam?! Does the narration says he forced people to end up in hell?! Just like the analogy of the university professor I presented above, there would be a group of descendants of Adam (AS) who would end up in paradise, and another group in hell, those in paradise are described with being white (illuminated) and those in hell black (devoid of light, burnt and black like charcoal). AlBaqir:Well I do not really care, the fact is atheist do not believe God exist! AlBaqir:Lol, you are just deluding yourself bro, which deadly punches?! You are the one infusing the meaning of race and skin colour into the narration, it is your problem not mine. Since it is established that we do not have just two races or skin colours in the world, and the fact that the Qur'an talks of similar information, i.e people of the left and the right, as well as those with black and white faces, then it is only logical to conclude that the narration is never about race or colour! 1 Like |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by Nobody: 1:52pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
AlBaqir: So you are choosing to pick this narration in isolation? I asked you a question but you ignored, a question that perhaps will make it clear, i talked about predestination then asked what Allaah meant by "he misguides whom he wills" Or are you one of those shi'a that believe in the concept of bada? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by udatso: 1:59pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
tunderay:always wait for proper explanation or do your research before you make such careless statement. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by tunderay(m): 2:01pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:OK, thanks |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by tunderay(m): 2:01pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
sino:OK, thanks 1 Like |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by tunderay(m): 2:02pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
udatso:Thanks 1 Like |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by Empiree: 3:45pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
Trust albaqir would bring it on The hadith, as I said before, OWE NI. I'm not the type that supports anything and everything placed in Sahih hadith but I rather be selective after going through some searches. This particular hadith in the op, OWE NI It is only problematic if taken literally. If the above hadith is taken to signify that inhabitants of both Paradise and Hell Fire will be from amongst the descendants of Adam (a.s), it's fair determination. But if the quoted hadith statements are taken to mean that Allah created one race or color of people for Paradise and another for Hell, or that all people of race, color would go to paradise and the other for Hell, then such determination are absolutely against the clear Guidance and cannot be accepted as authentic. Allah says in sura Al-Qur'an ayat 6-11. Read that yourself. This is very simple. |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by AlBaqir(m): 3:50pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
Empiree: @@bold, unfortunately that is exactly what this hadith says even with that unjust, racial statement which all these brothers ran far away from. I meant the statement of "I don't care ". Is that also "Owe?" |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by Nobody: 3:51pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
AlBaqir: Is anybody in hell or heaven now? 1 Like |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by AlBaqir(m): 4:04pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
sino: # Unfortunately for you the hadith we talk about as already destined some class to Paradise and some to hell before they are even born and established on earth, and it even support it with "I don't care". I just don't understand why all of you run far far away from that statement. # Your analogy never match. What matches the hadith is for the new prof to tell some selected students, "You are promoted to the next class" and to other students, "You are failed". And upon asking why this injustice? And he says, "I don't care". |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by Empiree: 4:10pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
AlBaqir:Well, that shouldn't be much of a problem. The phrase " I don't care" should be discounted as one of those attributed flinges . I believe the hadith as a whole is khayr but just that little element was unnecessarily inserted. Another version of the hadith uses " I don't mind". |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by sino(m): 4:44pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
Empiree: Bro, you just don't make statements you cannot prove, especially with regards to religious issues. It is better you are silent. First let me bring a better translation of the said narration: Narrated AbudDarda' Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: Allah created Adam when He had to create him and He struck his right shoulder and there emitted from it white offspring as if they were white ants. He struck his left shoulder and there emitted from it the black offspring as if they were charcoal. He then said (to those who had been emitted) from the right (shoulder): For Paradise and I do not mind. Then He said to those (who had been emitted) from his left shoulder: They are for Hell and I do not mind. Transmitted by Ahmad Source: http://www.alim.org/library/hadith/TIR/38 Secondly, the narration used the same phrase for both the people of paradise and the people of hell, what does that tell you?! That is justice, each group getting what they deserve, and no prejudice involved! One of the first aspect of tawheed is to understand Allah's will, which is divided into two Qawniyah and Shar'iyah. When you have full understanding of this two, you wouldn't fall into doubts and skepticisms, and finding it difficult to accept and understand the narration in question. 2 Likes |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by Empiree: 4:54pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
sino:I dont think what i said go against what you and lexicon have said. And what you said here doesnt contradicts what I said either. If I'd simply said it daef would have been different case. I m not naive when Quran speaks of "black and white faces". I know it is more like metaphorical. So your post here doesnt really concern me that much. As you can see, albaqir seems to disagree with me as well. Maybe I should rephrase it. I said "If it is taken literally it would have been in conflict with Qur'an". Is that difficult to understand?. I dont think i have disagreed with what you and lexicon have been saying. Maybe you misunderstood my post. |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by sino(m): 5:03pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
Empiree: I was referring to your statement, "I believe the hadith as a whole is khayr but just that little element was unnecessarily inserted", which I presume to mean was inserted by fabricators and the likes, if you mean the translation used by AlBaqir, then I am sorry for misunderstanding you. 1 Like |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by Nobody: 5:04pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
Empiree: actually I think he is speaking with respect to your statement; I believe the hadith as a whole is khayr but just that little element was unnecessarily inserted. do you have proof for the insertion? if insertion here means fabrication. 1 Like |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by Empiree: 5:15pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
sino:Oh no. when i said "little element was unnecessarily inserted", I was referring to a phrase "I dont care" in the hadith. In another version, is says " I dont mind". Thats why i said the phrase should be discounted. I am not bothered much by the phrase. I already looked around and it was not addressed by scholars why the little statement is there. |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by AlBaqir(m): 5:47pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
Empiree: # I don't care, I don't mind. All na same brother. That's choice of English translation. It doesn't change anything. It remains a racial and unjust statement after a group have been destined for paradise and other for hell before they even came to earth and before they even sinned or do good deeds. Obviously it makes our actions here meaningless and Qiyamat, a mere show trial. |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by Empiree: 5:52pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
AlBaqir:I understand bold part. But I am really saying is, it should be snubbed or discountred even though it sounds irrational. It doesn't bother me as a person. |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by AlBaqir(m): 8:35pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: @bold, https://www.nairaland.com/1794405/islam-muslims-side-talk-station/73#50257718 |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by tintingz(m): 8:42pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
AlBaqir:@bolded, actually everybody is born rational. I have seen kids asking where is God, who's God, why did God do so so so... Reason because they think rational until parents and society started indoctrinate them. Don't let atheist come for you. 1 Like |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by tintingz(m): 8:47pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
Hadiths war-lords season #201 |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by AlBaqir(m): 9:34pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
tintingz: # Wallah that's it. Thats exactly how Allah created man. Monotheism and knowledge of the Creator has been ingrained in our fitrah. Intellect brings it out no matter how small it is. Children are just too inquisitive and ask questions to know their natural environment. Here, you come across God. Look at the case of Nabi Ibrahim at childhood as explained in the Quran. tintingz: And they will meet me for house - wàn a bami ni le. |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by Nobody: 9:43pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
Always put in mind Albaqir, dat the arguments from muslims with ur weird kind of aqeeda with folks like LexiconKb, sino are for ppl who don't know abt islam well, thus the arguments, to clarify truth and condemn falsehood, if not, who get ur tym. Don't feel ur sef that ppl come 2 comment on ur 'posts' which are always misleading! Kb and co, pls don't go around in circles with him(albaqir) and him kind! 1 Like |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by tintingz(m): 9:44pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
AlBaqir:Abraham(AS) was destined to be a prophet. I'm talking about people of this age, imagine yourself growing up in a society like China or india, imagine what you will believe in. Now imagine yourself growing up where people don't believe in spirituality. And they will meet me for house - wàn a bami ni le.Are you ready to go rational with them since you think they are irrational? |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by AlBaqir(m): 10:30pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
tintingz: # As per Ibrahim, his realization of God in such an idolatry environment was not an automatic decree. He worked his intellect out. # I feel you with those examples. That's why Allah is just. Obviously the way He will judge people of such environment will be different to mine and yours environment. I bet you some will enter paradise without salat, zakat etc because they never heard of that throughout their entire lifespan. tintingz: # My brother there are some irrational questions that will scatter their brain. Kindly watch this video: Does God Not Exist? A debate between Theists and Atheists # Origin of the universe # Theory of the existence or non-existence of God # Why Evil? Etc *DEBATER* Dan Baker Richard Carrie Hassanain Rajabali https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kEEYTaDwy4 |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by tintingz(m): 10:38pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
AlBaqir:Ok. The video length is long, I will take my time to watch it. |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by AlBaqir(m): 7:07am On Oct 17, 2016 |
^ And in sha Allah you will enjoy every minute of it. |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by tintingz(m): 5:56pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
AlBaqir:Have watched it, very interesting, I really enjoyed it. Worth watching. I love the unity the Muslim and Christian debaters did in the video. Very intelligent presentation from both Theist and Atheist. |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by AlBaqir(m): 9:15pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
tintingz: Ma sha Allah. Wa Salam alaykum brother 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Black Descendants Of Adam Will Enter Hell-fire by najib632(m): 8:45pm On Oct 18, 2016 |
AlBaqir:Fear Allah and don't misguide people what was the last sermon of the prophet. |
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