They will never answer this one straight.
They are coming to dance around the bush soon.

felixomor:
They will never answer this one straight.
They are coming to dance around the bush soon.

Trying to explain anything to the ignorant fellow above is an exercise in futility. It's a waste of time.

EVOLUTION
* Scientific explanation for biological diversity through natural selection.
*Supported by evidences

CREATIONISM
*Religious explanation for origins of all species through supernatural means
*Not backed up by any shred of evidence.



I choose evolution any time any day.

Another dumb christian thread

as for people saying that the bible said the earth is 6000 years old... where is it stated in the bible?? i believe our creation story started about 6000 or more years ago... but the earth itself is way older than that

Ferruccio:

Atheists/Evolutionists Vs Christians

not all atheists are evolutionists..
We have theistic evolutionists also

The evolutionist agrees with Darwin and says all life on earth evolved from primordial soup,

this is a fat lie..abiogenesis is not ---origin of the species

which then somehow formed into many different species like birds, animals, plants, fish etc; and those birds, animals, plants and fish evolved into many different types of species themselves. For example, they believe a bird later formed different types of lizards, horses and dogs

where did you get this from?
I know of no theory that says the bolded

If that"s true, then I have to ask the evolutionist why is it for the last 6000 years of recorded history that not a single new species has ever been created?

speciation
Go to 5.0 in this page

speciation

Scientific fact is, we still have many of the old species among us, and we know of many that did in fact become extinct.

theres no where in DTOE that says ----all species of a genus must evolve morphologically.

But not a single [s]bird has been found that used to be a fish.[/s] And not a single bird has been found that is related to a lizard.

'reptile' is the better word there
the archaeopteryX
and a list of transitional ''bird-reptilo''

If life truly evolves like they say it does, why did it all of a sudden stop dead in its tracks 6000 years ago?

life is still evolving...
Even today...

Have you heard of "Carbon dating" before?

Have you heard of the Mayan calendar?
The Mayan calendar runs for 3600 years, how did they come about it?
Do you know why it was said the world would end in 2012 and all such predictions?
Yes, that was the last year in the Mayan calender

The next phase of evolution will start when the Gods (Anunnakis) that created us comes around with the next upgrade.

The creation story in the Bible is adapted from the more detailed and specific Sumerian version dictated by Enki, the God that created man.

There is much we Christians do not know and ignorance is not an excuse.

Please remove the versus.

By putting versus, you have ignorantly made the assumption that Creationism; a symbolic tale at best; a fairy tale fable at worst; can be equated with Evolution, which for all its chinks and cracks can still be supported by real independently verifiable facts.






Besides why bother??

SirWere:
Please remove the versus.

By putting versus, you have ignorantly made the assumption that Creationism; a symbolic tale at best; a fairy tale fable at worst; can be equated with Evolution, which for all its chinks and cracks can still be supported by real independently verifiable facts.






Besides why bother??

Thank you, I don't bother responding to the hopeless ones with their illogical arguments, instead of complaining about evolution which is a fact, he should tell us how the dinosaurs and their extinction fit into the bibles creation story. Because God in all his infinite knowledge said nothing about the dinosaurs or their extinction.

Lennycool:

Thank you, I don't bother responding to the hopeless ones with their illogical arguments, instead of complaining about evolution which is a fact, he should tell us how the dinosaurs and their extinction fit into the bibles creation story. Because God in all his infinite knowledge said nothing about the dinosaurs or their extinction.

[b] Don't allow your revolting visage hoodwink you into a misguided belief that you evolved from an ape, you witless sack of shïet!Not only did you flunk to adequately rebuff my statements, but you also never provided arguments to prove Evolution is more viable than Creationism. But what can we possibly expect from a neomort? God has never mentioned dinosaurs? Son, you're more of a dingbat than I've originally suspected. Dinosaur like creatures are mentioned in the Bible. We all are cognizant of the fact that the bible utilizes ancient names such as "behemoth" and "tannin."

Behemoth- A huge or monstrous creature.

Tannin- A term that includes dragon-like animals and the great sea creatures such as whales, giant squids, and marine reptiles like the plesiosaurs that may have become extinct.


Job 40:15-19 King James Version (KJV)

Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.


Now, in the aforementioned verse, God describes a great king of the land animals like some of the biggest dinosaurs, the Diplodocus and Apatosaurus. It was a gigantic plant-eater with great muscles and very strong bones. The long Diplodocus had leg bones so strong that he could have held three others on his back.[/b]

SirWere:
Please remove the versus.

By putting versus, you have ignorantly made the assumption that Creationism; a symbolic tale at best; a fairy tale fable at worst; can be equated with Evolution, which for all its chinks and cracks can still be supported by real independently verifiable facts.






Besides why bother??

Just like you've " ignorantly " and indirectly stated that evolution is a fact, and yet the only fact about evolution is the fact that it remains a theory for various reasons that I won't bother explaining, as you're too much of a dööfus to grasp anything. Stupid sonuvabïetch!

taurus25:
EVOLUTION
* Scientific explanation for biological diversity through natural selection.
*Supported by evidences

CREATIONISM
*Religious explanation for origins of all species through supernatural means
*Not backed up by any shred of evidence.



I choose evolution any time any day.

Supported by evidences? Please what are the evidence?

Ferruccio:
[b]

Atheists/Evolutionists Vs Christians
______________________________________________

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."


Evolutionists always manipulate reality to try and do away with creationism. For example, when you ask an evolutionist how they come up with the age of the sedimentary layers in the earth, they will always tell you they date them by the fossils found in those sedimentary layers. Then when you ask them how they come up with the age of the fossils, they say their age is determined by which sedimentary layer of rock they are found in. But how can that be? How can the rocks date the layers, if the layers date the rocks? That's what's called "circular reasoning." One minute they say the rock determines the age of the fossil, the next they say the fossil determines the age of the rock.


Charles Darwin said "It is a truly wonderful fact" that all plants throughout all time and space should be related to each other"" "The Origin of the Species p 170.


The evolutionist agrees with Darwin and says all life on earth evolved from primordial soup, which then somehow formed into many different species like birds, animals, plants, fish etc; and those birds, animals, plants and fish evolved into many different types of species themselves. For example, they believe a bird later formed different types of lizards, horses and dogs. They also believe that plants created everything from vines to trees to flowers, and fish evolved into dinosaurs, apes and humans. If that"s true, then I have to ask the evolutionist why is it for the last 6000 years of recorded history that not a single new species has ever been created? Scientific fact is, we still have many of the old species among us, and we know of many that did in fact become extinct. But not a single bird has been found that used to be a fish. And not a single bird has been found that is related to a lizard. If life truly evolves like they say it does, why did it all of a sudden stop dead in its tracks 6000 years ago?[/b]

Evolution is the truth. We don't beat around the bush, we use evidence. Faith and creationalism are mere folktales formed by natural human behaviours. We made God in our image right in our mind.

Ferruccio:
[b]

Atheists/Evolutionists Vs Christians
______________________________________________

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."


Evolutionists always manipulate reality to try and do away with creationism. For example, when you ask an evolutionist how they come up with the age of the sedimentary layers in the earth, they will always tell you they date them by the fossils found in those sedimentary layers. Then when you ask them how they come up with the age of the fossils, they say their age is determined by which sedimentary layer of rock they are found in. But how can that be? How can the rocks date the layers, if the layers date the rocks? That's what's called "circular reasoning." One minute they say the rock determines the age of the fossil, the next they say the fossil determines the age of the rock.


Charles Darwin said "It is a truly wonderful fact" that all plants throughout all time and space should be related to each other"" "The Origin of the Species p 170.


The evolutionist agrees with Darwin and says all life on earth evolved from primordial soup, which then somehow formed into many different species like birds, animals, plants, fish etc; and those birds, animals, plants and fish evolved into many different types of species themselves. For example, they believe a bird later formed different types of lizards, horses and dogs. They also believe that plants created everything from vines to trees to flowers, and fish evolved into dinosaurs, apes and humans. If that"s true, then I have to ask the evolutionist why is it for the last 6000 years of recorded history that not a single new species has ever been created? Scientific fact is, we still have many of the old species among us, and we know of many that did in fact become extinct. But not a single bird has been found that used to be a fish. And not a single bird has been found that is related to a lizard. If life truly evolves like they say it does, why did it all of a sudden stop dead in its tracks 6000 years ago?[/b]

I am against Religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the World!!

Ferruccio:
[b]

Atheists/Evolutionists Vs Christians
______________________________________________

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."


Evolutionists always manipulate reality to try and do away with creationism. For example, when you ask an evolutionist how they come up with the age of the sedimentary layers in the earth, they will always tell you they date them by the fossils found in those sedimentary layers. Then when you ask them how they come up with the age of the fossils, they say their age is determined by which sedimentary layer of rock they are found in. But how can that be? How can the rocks date the layers, if the layers date the rocks? That's what's called "circular reasoning." One minute they say the rock determines the age of the fossil, the next they say the fossil determines the age of the rock.


Charles Darwin said "It is a truly wonderful fact" that all plants throughout all time and space should be related to each other"" "The Origin of the Species p 170.


The evolutionist agrees with Darwin and says all life on earth evolved from primordial soup, which then somehow formed into many different species like birds, animals, plants, fish etc; and those birds, animals, plants and fish evolved into many different types of species themselves. For example, they believe a bird later formed different types of lizards, horses and dogs. They also believe that plants created everything from vines to trees to flowers, and fish evolved into dinosaurs, apes and humans. If that"s true, then I have to ask the evolutionist why is it for the last 6000 years of recorded history that not a single new species has ever been created? Scientific fact is, we still have many of the old species among us, and we know of many that did in fact become extinct. But not a single bird has been found that used to be a fish. And not a single bird has been found that is related to a lizard. If life truly evolves like they say it does, why did it all of a sudden stop dead in its tracks 6000 years ago?[/b]

I looked at your post and I couldn't help but be annoyed because not only do you know how carbon dating works you don't when want to learn and you misleaded people here by making them think scientists make wild guesses about the age of the rock. Now lemme just quickly explain it. There is carbon in the atmosphere every living thing contains carbon there are 2 isotopes Carbon 12 and carbon 14 Plants take up atmospheric C-14 for as long as they live, through the process of photosynthesis. Animals take up atmospheric C-14 indirectly, by eating plants (or eating other animals that eat plants). Measuring the proportion of C-14 as opposed to C-12 remaining in a sample then tells palaeontologists how long ago the sample stopped taking up C-14 — in other words, how long ago the thing died.Carbon-14 has a half-life of about 5730 years, and therefore it is used to date biological samples up to about 60,000 years in the past. Now in modern radiometric dating they prefer uranium -235 cuz it has a way longer half life that carbon 14 so it can date farther. You can learn more if you want to stop spreading ignorance if you don't want to know don't mislead other people

And btw we are still evolving some humans aren't lactose intolerant anymore (we can drink milk) the stone age men couldn't. And breast milk is not the same as the milk from a cow

Ferruccio:
[b] Don't allow your revolting visage hoodwink you into a misguided belief that you evolved from an ape, you witless sack of shïet!Not only did you flunk to adequately rebuff my statements, but you also never provided arguments to prove Evolution is more viable than Creationism. But what can we possibly expect from a neomort? God has never mentioned dinosaurs? Son, you're more of a dingbat than I've originally suspected. Dinosaur like creatures are mentioned in the Bible. We all are cognizant of the fact that the bible utilizes ancient names such as "behemoth" and "tannin."

Behemoth- A huge or monstrous creature.

Tannin- A term that includes dragon-like animals and the great sea creatures such as whales, giant squids, and marine reptiles like the plesiosaurs that may have become extinct.


Job 40:15-19 King James Version (KJV)

Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.


Now, in the aforementioned verse, God describes a great king of the land animals like some of the biggest dinosaurs, the Diplodocus and Apatosaurus. It was a gigantic plant-eater with great muscles and very strong bones. The long Diplodocus had leg bones so strong that he could have held three others on his back.[/b]

First of all, you're funnny, the dinosaurs went extinct long before man and even the OX you mentioned ever evolved, not to mention other animals mentioned in the book if job that shouldn't even exist then. But even if you were to deny this, despite all the available evidence, I'd ask you why the bible didn't mention there extinction as this have would have been an enormous
extinction, that part you also slyly left out, the dinosaur extinction would have been an incredible event that would have affected all of earth, only rivaled in magnitude by Noah's alleged flood. So why is such an important event not even mentioned in the bible? The extinction of God's own creation. It seems entirely strange that something of that magnitude would not be recorded in the Bible. Unless the Bible wasn't inspired by an all knowing creator but rather by primitive ancient men who had not the slighteat idea about dinosaurs and were not even in existence when they roamed the earth.

Ferruccio:
[b] Don't allow your revolting visage hoodwink you into a misguided belief that you evolved from an ape, you witless sack of shïet!Not only did you flunk to adequately rebuff my statements, but you also never provided arguments to prove Evolution is more viable than Creationism. But what can we possibly expect from a neomort? God has never mentioned dinosaurs? Son, you're more of a dingbat than I've originally suspected. Dinosaur like creatures are mentioned in the Bible. We all are cognizant of the fact that the bible utilizes ancient names such as "behemoth" and "tannin."

Behemoth- A huge or monstrous creature.

Tannin- A term that includes dragon-like animals and the great sea creatures such as whales, giant squids, and marine reptiles like the plesiosaurs that may have become extinct.


Job 40:15-19 King James Version (KJV)

Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.


Now, in the aforementioned verse, God describes a great king of the land animals like some of the biggest dinosaurs, the Diplodocus and Apatosaurus. It was a gigantic plant-eater with great muscles and very strong bones. The long Diplodocus had leg bones so strong that he could have held three others on his back.[/b]

I wonder why you keep throwing insults here and there. Do you feel threatened? You're way too bumptious and sententious to have any courtesy. Your posts lack civility. Debate intelligently and be punctillious in your conduct. Stop being such a child, my friend. Your vituperativeness and submission of vitriolic diatribe of insults do not portray you as enlightened.

Benny hinn also does all this and benny hinn is a motherfucking fraud. Yet people still flock to him In 2001, HBO's America Undercover ran an episode covering both Hinn and Reinhard Bonnke As part of the episode, and at America Undercover's request, Hinn supplied the names of five people "healed" at his Crusade. When HBO checked back a year later, none of the parishioners had been healed at all (their initial feelings of being healed can probably be attributed to the placebo effect). Two of them had subsequently died: a woman whose cancer had come out of remission shortly after she attended the Crusade, and a ten-year-old boy, also of cancer, whose parents blamed themselves for not being "faithful enough," as they felt that their boy would have lived if only they had given Hinn more money. In typical Hinn fashion, he blamed HBO.

CBC Television also ran a program, “Do You Believe In Miracles” uncovering the scam when Hinn was exposed lying and taking money belonging to his church to spend himself. Hinn even employed security guards disguised as men from the church who kept genuinely sick followers away from the stage. Most faith healings are as a result of the placebo effect and a lot of people still end up dying if they don't get treatment
The placebo effect is a psychosomatic phenomenon in which symptoms of a disease or condition lessen — or even appear to be cured completely — from the patient being merely exposed to a treatment, as a result of the body releasing endorphins. Believing that their condition will be improved, they will begin to feel better and perhaps identifiable symptoms may disappear, irrespective of whether the treatment has any chemical or pharmacological effect. As for the supposed holy spirit thing it's all psychological those things will never work on an unbeliever. Belief is a powerful thing.
Benny hinn and his flock of televangelists are frauds dude sorry.

Oops wrong thread

menxer:
Have you heard of "Carbon dating" before?

Have you heard of the Mayan calendar?
The Mayan calendar runs for 3600 years, how did they come about it?
Do you know why it was said the world would end in 2012 and all such predictions?
Yes, that was the last year in the Mayan calender

The next phase of evolution will start when the Gods (Anunnakis) that created us comes around with the next upgrade.

The creation story in the Bible is adapted from the more detailed and specific Sumerian version dictated by Enki, the God that created man.

There is much we Christians do not know and ignorance is not an excuse.

but the anunnaki story has so much in common with our biblical story.. some believe the anunnaki to be the biblical nephlim

Wilgrea7:



but the anunnaki story has so much in common with our biblical story.. some believe the anunnaki to be the biblical nephlim

The question is, which of the two stories answers most of our questions?

The Anunnaki version fills all the gaps found in the Bible version.

rhektor:



Supported by evidences? Please what are the evidence?

I know youve been told by your likes continously that evolution is a lie, no evidences bla bla bla. But in all honesty Evolution is true , the evidences are numerous, scientists all accept it.

Take your time do your research and be enlightened.

Fx82ZAPLUS:
Son, don't compound your idiocy by throwing a shietload of tantrums, take insults with dignity and courage! I don't give two shiets that my insults grates or rides on your last nerve unfortunately, son, I have zero tolerance for idiots. " Punctillious, vituperativeness, bumptious " The dictionary currently sitting on your lap, in the same manner that your gay boyfriend does when you two rock the lap-dance sex position, is not going to coerce the audience into changing their perception of you being a doofus. The sad fact which you should wholeheartedly swallow is that you'd remain a doofus until, well, forever. Even your tombstone will have the words " Here lies an impressionable doofus that believes it evolved from an ape" carved on it.

Christians sef he completely dodged my questions on why the bible did not mention the extinction of the dinosaurs he claimed were in the bible. Stop your vitriol and face the question.

Ferruccio:
[b]

Atheists/Evolutionists Vs Christians
______________________________________________

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."


Evolutionists always manipulate reality to try and do away with creationism. For example, when you ask an evolutionist how they come up with the age of the sedimentary layers in the earth, they will always tell you they date them by the fossils found in those sedimentary layers. Then when you ask them how they come up with the age of the fossils, they say their age is determined by which sedimentary layer of rock they are found in. But how can that be? How can the rocks date the layers, if the layers date the rocks? That's what's called "circular reasoning." One minute they say the rock determines the age of the fossil, the next they say the fossil determines the age of the rock.


Charles Darwin said "It is a truly wonderful fact" that all plants throughout all time and space should be related to each other"" "The Origin of the Species p 170.


The evolutionist agrees with Darwin and says all life on earth evolved from primordial soup, which then somehow formed into many different species like birds, animals, plants, fish etc; and those birds, animals, plants and fish evolved into many different types of species themselves. For example, they believe a bird later formed different types of lizards, horses and dogs. They also believe that plants created everything from vines to trees to flowers, and fish evolved into dinosaurs, apes and humans. If that"s true, then I have to ask the evolutionist why is it for the last 6000 years of recorded history that not a single new species has ever been created? Scientific fact is, we still have many of the old species among us, and we know of many that did in fact become extinct. But not a single bird has been found that used to be a fish. And not a single bird has been found that is related to a lizard. If life truly evolves like they say it does, why did it all of a sudden stop dead in its tracks 6000 years ago?[/b]

I really dont understand why people are even answering you.

You said evolution vs creationism, you quote one verse from a book written 4000years ago, and then spend the rest of the time attacking science.

Why would sane people take you seriously?

menxer:

The question is, which of the two stories answers most of our questions?
The Anunnaki version fills all the gaps found in the Bible version.

wow.. cool I'm going to go into the anunnaki story.

Fx82ZAPLUS:
Son, don't compound your idiocy by throwing a shietload of tantrums, take insults with dignity and courage! I don't give two shiets that my insults grates or rides on your last nerve unfortunately, son, I have zero tolerance for idiots. " Punctillious, vituperativeness, bumptious " The dictionary currently sitting on your lap, in the same manner that your gay boyfriend does when you two rock the lap-dance sex position, is not going to coerce the audience into changing their perception of you being a doofus. The sad fact which you should wholeheartedly swallow is that you'd remain a doofus until, well, forever. Even your tombstone will have the words " Here lies an impressionable doofus that believes it evolved from an ape" carved on it.

Huhuhuhuhu........ Since the cockroaches have learned how to tweet, what would one expect of other low life forms other than going about splurging all sorts of banalities into cyberspace? I'm not astounded in the slightest.

So, we ought to listen to a spectacular mor0n who became an "expert" in Evolutionary Biology after having read a few articles online, and maybe randomly watched some youtube videos, and ignore the actual experts in said field, regarding them as confused idiots spewing trash and bullcrap?

".......that believes it evolved from an ape"...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So much for a basic understanding of Evolutionary Theory!

And this' the fellow bringing a "challenge" to Evolutionists? No thinking person's gonna take you seriously. Engaging you would be a waste of time.

Michael1812:
Huhuhuhuhu........ Since the cockroaches have learned how to tweet, what would one expect of other low life forms other than going about splurging all sorts of banalities into cyberspace? I'm not astounded in the slightest.

So, we ought to listen to a spectacular mor0n who became an "expert" in Evolutionary Biology after having read a few articles online, and maybe randomly watched some youtube videos, and ignore the actual experts in said field, regarding them as confused idiots spewing trash and bullcrap?

".......that believes it evolved from an ape"...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So much for a basic understanding of Evolutionary Theory!

And this' the fellow bringing a "challenge" to Evolutionists? No thinking person's gonna take you seriously. Engaging you would be a waste of time.

And that's how religion makes people believe myths so much and makes them satisfied without learning more about it. The story of Adam and Eve is also similar to ancient to another ancient Jewish mythology about Adam, Eve and Lilith. Well, there're many contradictions with the bible itself. And the big bang theory matches with most of the observations in the solar system and earth itself. The Bible and other religious books are just a collection of historical myths and beliefs written up and developed upon themselves in years and made to look real

Ferruccio:
[b]

Atheists/Evolutionists Vs Christians
______________________________________________

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."


Evolutionists always manipulate reality to try and do away with creationism. For example, when you ask an evolutionist how they come up with the age of the sedimentary layers in the earth, they will always tell you they date them by the fossils found in those sedimentary layers. Then when you ask them how they come up with the age of the fossils, they say their age is determined by which sedimentary layer of rock they are found in. But how can that be? How can the rocks date the layers, if the layers date the rocks? That's what's called "circular reasoning." One minute they say the rock determines the age of the fossil, the next they say the fossil determines the age of the rock.


Charles Darwin said "It is a truly wonderful fact" that all plants throughout all time and space should be related to each other"" "The Origin of the Species p 170.


The evolutionist agrees with Darwin and says all life on earth evolved from primordial soup, which then somehow formed into many different species like birds, animals, plants, fish etc; and those birds, animals, plants and fish evolved into many different types of species themselves. For example, they believe a bird later formed different types of lizards, horses and dogs. They also believe that plants created everything from vines to trees to flowers, and fish evolved into dinosaurs, apes and humans. If that"s true, then I have to ask the evolutionist why is it for the last 6000 years of recorded history that not a single new species has ever been created? Scientific fact is, we still have many of the old species among us, and we know of many that did in fact become extinct. But not a single bird has been found that used to be a fish. And not a single bird has been found that is related to a lizard. If life truly evolves like they say it does, why did it all of a sudden stop dead in its tracks 6000 years ago?[/b]

The Bible and other religious books are just a collection of historical myths and beliefs written up and developed upon themselves in years and made to look real