adepeter26:
A thread was created yesterday by a theist (PDPOnline) and was requesting Atheists for proof as to why they believe or say "there is no God" or "God doesn't exist".

Article link >> https://www.nairaland.com/3523940/why-atheists-shift-burden-proof

I must say, its an interesting thread indeed but what i have come to realize is that, both the Christians and Atheists are not truthful(both shy from each others questions). But i can say the theists(Christians) are more untrustworthy as compared to the Atheists.

Less i forget, you all should be aware of the fact that am neither an atheist nor a theist. I believe only in "MORALS" which you all can attest doesn't rely on any religious doctrines and belief.

I must indeed say LiberaDeus has answered the thread but i still dont understand why the thread page got to 19. LiberaDeus comments, and contributions are insightful. The guy is brilliant, intelligent and above all structures his answers accordingly without been biased and sentimental.
There is this comment of his why i so much love and think if the theists are to agree, then there is actually no need prolonging the post.

LiberaDeus Comment @bold below
"
Dont mind the slow people.

Just like i look at a field and i dont see anything and you look at the same field and you see a garden, baseball court and a house.

Please who should do the describing in this case ? is it not the person that claims he sees everything. That person should point where all the objects he sees are not the person that is allegedly blind to it.

The people go to church every weekend and midweek, they pay their tithes, they pray, prophesy, speak in tongues and they expect atheists to do the describing for them.

They are now telling atheists to prove that there is no god in the universe while thy cant present their god to anyone unless the person agrees to believe before they prove it. What a stupid copout.

Instead of them to use this opportunity to present evidence for their god and prove once and for all to all ears that their delusion is real.
For once let them act like elijah and the prophets of baal.
""


The Christians are seeking for evidence(s) right? But the last time i checked, Christianity revolves round "HAVING FAITH AND BELIEVING".
How come do they now need evidence from the Atheist? Abi Science don enter religion overnight??
Well, back to Libera's comment above, i have come to realise the Christian folks shifted the goalpost..

Now again, they(Theists) keep lamenting proofs, but i think the NL ATHEIST are failing to think deeply using the Bible to even win the Christians. They all would have buttress LiberaDeus comments using the Bible..

Using the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ as a case study for example (simple example).
He was doubted, but to clear the atmosphere of doubt, what did He do? He showed His palms where he was nailed as proves and confirmation of his death. (here, he used physical evidences and not faith).

Same thing the atheist are requesting for, they want physical/empirical evidence(s) and not the other way round.

felixomor:


So u believe Jesus came abi?

adepeter26:

@bold

Yes...

felixomor:


Hallelujah.

adepeter26:

So your point?

adepeter26:
A thread was created yesterday by a theist (PDPOnline) and was requesting Atheists for proof as to why they believe or say "there is no God" or "God doesn't exist".

link >> https://www.nairaland.com/3523940/why-atheists-shift-burden-proof

I must say, its an interesting thread indeed but what i have come to realize is that, both the Christians and Atheists are not truthful(both shy from each others questions). But i can say the theists(Christians) are more untrustworthy as compared to the Atheists.

Less i forget, you all should be aware of the fact that am neither an atheist nor a theist. I believe only in "MORALS" which you all can attest doesn't rely on any religious doctrines and belief.

I must indeed say LiberaDeus has answered the thread but i still dont understand why the thread page got to 19. LiberaDeus comments, and contributions are insightful. The guy is brilliant, intelligent and above all structures his answers accordingly without been biased and sentimental.
There is this comment of his which i so much love and think if the theists are to agree, then there is actually no need prolonging the post.

LiberaDeus Comment @bold below
"
Dont mind the slow people.

Just like i look at a field and i dont see anything and you look at the same field and you see a garden, baseball court and a house.

Please who should do the describing in this case ? is it not the person that claims he sees everything. That person should point where all the objects he sees are not the person that is allegedly blind to it.

The people go to church every weekend and midweek, they pay their tithes, they pray, prophesy, speak in tongues and they expect atheists to do the describing for them.

They are now telling atheists to prove that there is no god in the universe while thy cant present their god to anyone unless the person agrees to believe before they prove it. What a stupid copout.

Instead of them to use this opportunity to present evidence for their god and prove once and for all to all ears that their delusion is real.
For once let them act like elijah and the prophets of baal.
""


The Christians are seeking for evidence(s) right? But the last time i checked, Christianity revolves round "HAVING FAITH AND BELIEVING".
How come do they now need evidence from the Atheist? Abi Science don enter religion overnight??
Well, back to Libera's comment above, i have come to realise the Christian folks shifted the goalpost..

Now again, they(Theists) keep lamenting proofs, but i think the NL ATHEIST are failing to think deeply using the Bible to even win the Christians. They all would have buttress LiberaDeus comments using the Bible..

Using the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ as a case study for example (simple example).
He was doubted, but to clear the atmosphere of doubt, what did He do? He showed His palms where he was nailed as proves and confirmation of his death. (here, he used physical evidences and not faith).

Same thing the atheist are requesting for, they want physical/empirical evidence(s) and not the other way round.

felixomor:


My point is i am happy u admit Jesus came.
Thats enough for me.

adepeter26:

Same way a muslim will be happy if i admitted Mohammed came. Same also if i admitted Obatanla and co came.

felixomor:


So u believe Jesus came abi?

MrRichmond:


he isn't saying he believes in Jesus. he is simply using the bible to buttress his point regarding disciples disbelief of the risen Christ until they were shown physical evidence.
Faith wasn't enough for them, even though they were with Jesus for the duration of his ministry.

MrSly:

The first stage of faith is believing in the words of the bible. You even believed that Jesus Christ died and resurrected. You just made the first step, before you knew it, you would have started running.

felixomor:


Dont worry bro.
He doesnt need a spokesman.
He has told me directly, what he meant.

adepeter26:


Hey bro, i have explained myself above using the quote immediately before this comment.

mrmrmister:
I just don't understand those christians, how am I supposed to prove something doesn't exist.

I have red boxers, how can you prove that I don't have red boxers?

mrmrmister:
I just don't understand those christians, how am I supposed to prove something doesn't exist.

I have red boxers, how can you prove that I don't have red boxers?

adepeter26:

Same way a muslim will be happy if i admitted Mohammed came. Same also if i admitted Obatanla and co came.

*Modified*

So, your point still

felixomor:


Well thats for them.
Me, I am ok with mine.

peacesamuel94:
Atheists have on so many occasions outrightly rejected the different evidences provided by theists to prove God's existence, usually without proper investigation, they seem to be so sure that miracles do not exist.

ScepticalPyrrho:


flexomor and cohorts are out here to stupefy any thread that brings their faith under scrutiny. And their coy has been consistently exposed by both theists and atheists alike.

It has been a shameful display all the time.

ScepticalPyrrho:


This is exactly the reason why the thread got stretched till the 19th page.

Flexomor and cohorts are out here to stupefy any thread that brings their faith under scrutiny. And their coy has been consistently exposed by both theists and atheists alike.

It has been a shameful display all the time.

KingEbukasBlog is now skilled at derailing sound arguments just to grease his worn-out ego.

My response to their ridiculous claim was in an equivalent.

How am I suppose to prove that there is no red cat on an empirically empty table when I never claimed I could see a cat on the table?

akintom:
One exciting thing happening to most apologists on NL, who are like kids genetically modified to never to grow up where it matters most, is the effective way the atheistic writings is casting doubts on what they have believed to be true.

To become an atheist takes a lot of mental labour. Lots of reading across different bodies of knowledge, listening to debates dispassionately, and being brave hearted.

It will take the apologists a lot, to come to terms with what it takes to be an atheist.

Deicide:

Atheism Is Rising in Nigeria but I have notice that most of this New atheist are Atheist because of one emotional break down or the other....esp loosing of love once.what do you think about this?

akintom:

Yes your observation is very correct. I refer to these folks as those disillusioned with religion. The atheists in Nigeria falls under the following groups in my opinion:

1. Those who were skeptics even when they sincerely believed in God. But through lots of reading outside religious materials, they arrived at a conscious, rational and bold decision to become atheist.

2. Those who don't possess the emotional stamina to stand the unending unanswered prayers. Disappointment with hypocritical behavior of fellow believers. Generally disillusioned folks.

* I personally don't consider these folks as atheists. They are more like bittered and angry folks, who felt that their innocence, trust and expectations have been dashed.

3. There's this theory being spread by some apologists, that atheism is a movement by the westerners. Some folks who believe this lie, and hoping it's an opportunistic means, also claim to be an atheist.

Deicide:

Lemme add

only those theists that are angy with their god, and deal with their anger by calling themselves atheist eventually return to their theism when their anger dissapates, or advancing age forces them to face their mortality and they set their anger aside; core atheist who come to their non belief through seeking evidenceand finding none... will continue to not find evidence and hence not change their position.