According to the Bible, anyone who is hanged and died on a cross is under the CURSE of God (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23). Yet despite this evil omen attached to dying on the cross, the Christians still believe that Jesus was crucified and died on the cross in accordance with the will of God. However, this very doctrine of an only beloved and innocent son who was under the curse of His own merciful and omnipotent Father is self contradictory and repugnant to human reasoning. Before the advent of Christianity, nobody would believe or imagine that such a doctrine can even exist. It is totally foreign and contradictory to our logical reasoning for God of love, mercy and justice to curse an innocent and righteous soul for any reason whatsoever. This is the reason why the message of atonement through Jesus crucifixion was a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles during the lifetime of Paul (1st Corinthians 1:23). But Paul tried to write some verses in an attempt to solve this problem of logical contradiction inherent in this very doctrine. Such verses are as follows: The natural man does not receive the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him; he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned (1st Corinthians 2:14).
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing (1st Corinthians 1:18). Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men (1st Corinthians 1:25).
This is the reason why many Christians see no logical problem again with the idea of “an innocent, beloved and righteous son who was under the curse and condemnation of his own merciful and omnipotent Father”. Therefore, base on the verses quoted above, Paul has succeeded in making the Christians to think that a fundamental spiritual doctrine which is completely foolish to our logical reasoning could actually be a great wisdom in the sight of God. But if Paul's assertion is really true, why would God of reason (Isaiah 1:18) ask a natural man to believe and accept a fundamental spiritual doctrine that cannot be understood and completely foolish to his logical reasoning especially when that reasoning is the ONLY INSTRUMENT at his disposal to recognize that true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities? If there is only one spirituality in the entire world of human being, then Paul may be right in his claim. But there are many spiritualities like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Confucianism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Baha’ism, Taoism and Sikhism. Since each of these spiritualities is claiming to be on the right path, it is now left for any natural man to use the only instrument (his logical reasoning) given to him by God to recognize the true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities. This is exactly the reason why God must design the true spirituality in such a way that all its basic and fundamental doctrine would not be in conflict with the basic logical reasoning He bestowed upon a natural man. A fundamental true spiritual doctrine may support or be neutral to basic logical reasoning bestowed upon natural man; but they will never be in conflict with each other. How could true spirituality designed by God and basic logical reasoning originated from the same God be in conflict with each other? If they can be in conflict with each other, then how can a natural man decide whether to accept or reject a true spiritual faith in the midst of many fake spiritual faiths? Have you now seen how Paul gets it wrong by asserting that “the natural man does not receive the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him”? Is true spirituality not meant to be accepted and embraced by natural man? Now that it is foolishness to him; how is he going to accept and embrace it?
To see further that Paul is wrong in his claim; suppose you are invited by a friend to accept a religious faith that is very rich in spirituality. But one of its unique and fundamental doctrines you must embrace wholeheartedly is that you have to believe that God MUST commit an act of lying in order to achieve a particular greater purpose (May God be Exalted and glorified above such behavior). Now consider the following questions; 1. Would you just accept such faith because of its spiritual richness or reject it because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning? 2. Would you not ask about the actual connections that exist between that greater purpose and the act of lying that must be committed by God before the purpose can be achieved? 3. Would you not ask why All- knowing and Omnipotent God decided, at first instance, to give preference for such irrational way of lying over many rational ways He can design and create from His infinite knowledge and unlimited power to achieve that greater purpose? 4. Would you just accept that the way and the thought of such a lying God is higher and complex than your way and your thought? 5. Would you just fold your arms and accept that the foolishness of such a lying god is wiser than the wisdom of all men (see 1st Corinthians 1:25 quoted above)? 6. Would you just accept such faith relying on the claim that it has already been foretold in one old book that God would commit such act of lying (just like the Christians used to claim that it has already been foretold in the Old Testament that God would curse and condemn an innocent and righteous soul on the cross of Calvary for the sins of all men)? Now ponder over these six questions cited above and then tell me the difference between this imaginary faith which proclaim that God MUST commit an act of lying to achieve a particular greater purpose and the Christian faith which also proclaim that God MUST curse (Galatians 3:13,Deuteronomy 21:23) and condemn an innocent and righteous soul on a cross of Calvary to achieve a particular greater purpose (like solving the problem of sin with humanity or rescuing the humanity from bondage of Satan). Therefore, if you reject this imaginary faith because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning, then you must also reject Christianity since the two faiths are telling us to believe the exact opposite of what we naturally know about God through our logical reasoning. As God is naturally known to ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH AND NEVER TO COMMIT AN ACT OF LYING for any greater purpose; He is also naturally known to ALWAYS BLESS THE INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL AND NEVER TO CURSE THE SAME SOUL for any greater purpose. God may allow an innocent and righteous soul to suffer for one reason or the other. But God would never "curse" an innocent and righteous soul for any reason whatsoever.
It is now clear that even if there are some spiritual benefits in the inner rooms of a true faith, there is still need for the logical reasoning to take us to the main door of those inner rooms at first encounter. But as we have pointed above, the doctrine of a merciful, omnipotent and omniscient God who cursed and condemned his only beloved and innocent son on the cross of Calvary for a particular greater purpose is totally in conflict with what we naturally know about God through our logical reasoning. This is because a god who could not devise a way to implement his plan except to curse and condemn an innocent and righteous soul is either not truly merciful or not truly omnipotent or not truly omniscient. Yet to believe in the existence of such a god is one of the fundamental doctrines you must embrace wholeheartedly for you to become a serious and devoted Christian. Therefore, there is need for God to send another prophet to remove this negative and bad picture of God from the minds of the general humanity. This is one of the many reasons why Qur’an was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God removed this negative and bad impression from the minds of the people by declaring that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross (Qur’an 4:157-158). In this way, the "curse of God" associated with any one that is crucified and died on a cross according to the Jewish law (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23) was removed from the head of our beloved and innocent prophet called Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). This is exactly in line with the prayer of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to be taken away from him in THREE consecutive times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44. Therefore, an illogical idea of God cursing an innocent and a righteous human soul on a cross of Calvary in order to solve the problem of sin with humanity (or to liberate the humanity from the bondage of Satan) is far away from the truth. The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.

Freedom of religion bro, the choice is yours to make but islam i'll rather die

The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.

This is your last paragraph.

You reached a conclusion. It means you are not confused afterall.

If you are confused, truly, let me know.
Then we can talk.

Originakalokalo:
The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.

This is your last paragraph.

You reached a conclusion. It means you are not confused afterall.

If you are confused, truly, let me know.
Then we can talk.

yeah u re correct
the same book that have cause hundreds of thousands death and millions displaced all over the world. the same book good men quote before they blow up themselves.

mr confused op next time u want to criticize Christianity as a muslim u are, boldly say it and stop hiding under the being confused rubbish

Wow, so you mean the Quran continued the lies from where the Bible stopped?

Would be ready to die for a lie? Paul and all the disciples kne
For a lie hadly would any be ready die .

Muhammed had soldiers through which he gain wealth ,women and authority. His followers were soldiers so it was easy for them to continue with him for the earthly gain through terrorism.

But for the followers of Jesus it wasn't so. They were ready to die for the truth of th gospel.

Paul suffered as written in;
2 Corinthians 11:22-32 KJV
Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I. [23] Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. [24] Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. [25] Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; [26] In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; [27] In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and unclothedness. [28] Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. [29] Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not? [30] If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities. [31] The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not. [32] In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the Damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me:

Presently, what seed are the Muslims producing? Terrorism.

Op, you lack spiritual understanding and worst of all is that you dont read your quran.

We Christians are children of God but the muslims( you) are slaves of god (allah). It is there4 very disrespectful of you , a slave , to talk against a child of God because you dont have any inheritance with God. Remember ,your quran tells you to ask the christian for clearance when you are confused , even about your religion.

Think Islam think:
Afghanistan
Somalia
Iraq
Libya
Syria
Northern Nigeria
These are active volcanoes of Islamic Proportion.
Islam remains a threat to modern civilization.

Originakalokalo:
The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.

This is your last paragraph.

You reached a conclusion. It means you are not confused afterall.

If you are confused, truly, let me know.
Then we can talk.

Who killed Muahmmed, Allah or goat meat?

Jazakallahu khairan brother.

And those commenting, kindly address the contradiction and confusion op hilighted not a digression.

Islam is the religion of Allaah, it is a religion of truth, a religion of mercy, a religion to the whole world.

Muslims are human beings, we sin, we misinterpret the text of Quran sometimes unknowingly. Those are our shortcomings as human beings for which we constantly seek forgiveness from Allaah. They are not part of Islam.

Of course there is freedom of religion. It is either one take this write up as a challenge and seek out the truth himself or continue on the path of falsehood.

May this write up not to be a witness against us.

May Allah guide us to the right path; to the path of Prophets Adam, Seth, Enoch, Noah, Abraham,............Moses, Aaron,......David, Solomon,......... Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them).

Amin.

Truly op u are confused

bahaushe1:
Jazakallahu khairan brother.

And those commenting, kindly address the contradiction and confusion op hilighted not a digression.

Islam is the religion of Allaah, it is a religion of truth, a religion of mercy, a religion to the whole world.

Muslims are human beings, we sin, we misinterpret the text of Quran sometimes unknowingly. Those are our shortcomings as human beings for which we constantly seek forgiveness from Allaah. They are not part of Islam.

Of course there is freedom of religion. It is either one take this write up as a challenge and seek out the truth himself or continue on the path of falsehood.

May this write up not to be a witness against us.

May Allah guide us to the right path; to the path of Prophets Adam, Seth, Enoch, Noah, Abraham,............Moses, Aaron,......David, Solomon,......... Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them).

Amin.

Again, i ask you, what killed Muhammed?

analice107:

Again, i ask you, what killed Muhammed?

He died at his appointed time by the will of Allah.

To you too, what killed Jesus?

Many are thinking few are confused.in the last days many the love of God shall go cold."Many will argue unnecessarily ,some may argue blindly thinking they want to get knowledge not knowing they're more confused themselves". Experience 10:2-3(Nigeria English Translation)
"Many will complain unnecessary in other to acquire knowledge but in doing so they're confused themselves". Experience 10:2-3( King Solomon's Version)

i love peace, i am for peace and not pieces,
i think among the two religion founders one is for peace, one is without sin, and one is to be loved, Go for the best bros.

Rilwayne001:


He died at his appointed time by the will of Allah.

To you too, what killed Jesus?

One after the other Rilwaybe001. One after the other.

You may say Safiya killed Muhammed, which if she did, Muhammed will be rejected to enter paradise and be in hell.

But this is what i believe, Allah killed Muhammed.

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O
'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this
time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

Had he invented against Us any sayings, We woud have seized him by the right hand, then We would surely have cut his life-vein. S. 69:40-46 Arberry


Muhammed was a false prophet and he was kiled by his own god.

M

analice107:

Who killed Muahmmed, Allah or goat meat?

This cracked me up
Isiewu killed the guy

Rilwayne001:

Ok.
So who killed Jesus?

No one. He laid down His life by Himself. He came to die, so he died.
John:10:17-18
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

analice107:

One after the other Rilwaybe001. One after the other.

You may say Safiya killed Muhammed, which if she did, Muhammed will be rejected to enter paradise and be in hell.

But this is what i believe, Allah killed Muhammed.

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O
'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this
time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

Had he invented against Us any sayings, We woud have seized him by the right hand, then We would surely have cut his life-vein. S. 69:40-46 Arberry


Muhammed was a false prophet and he was kiled by his own god.

Really?....... Hmmmm.

Wow

Since I opened that counter thread to what Muslims believe about Jesus Christ, Muslims have been running about worried. They are worried cos the thread exposed their lies. It was even worse for them that the thread made front page.

Now, they are going about opening anti-christian threads under the guise of seeking clarity or being confused.

I never knew that my thread would bring a great shame to Islam.

Originakalokalo:



Really?....... Hmmmm.

Absolutely correct. That's why the guy couldn't answer the questions. He knew answering would implicate allah.

Despite all this exposition that Qur’an could not have come from no
other person except God, some people still want to gather some evidence
from Qur’an and Hadith to prove that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a false prophet and a great liar against God. Their evidence is as follows: God
Almighty says; It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. And if he
(Muhammad-pbuh) had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly
have seized him by the right hand. Then We would certainly have cut off his
aorta (Qur’an 69:43-46). Based on these verses and the Hadith (narrated by
Aisha that the prophet ate food containing poison according to the plan of
the Jews and he used to say ; O Aisha I still feel the pain caused by the
food I ate at khaibar, and at this time I feel as if my jugular vein is
being cut from that poison);these people now argue that the prophet must be
a false prophet and
a deliberate liar against God. At first glance, you would think that their
argument is correct. But looking at those verses of the Qur’an and the
Hadith very carefully, you will discover that these people stand on a fake
platform based on the following cogent reasons: Those verses of Qur’an were
not talking about the nature of death the prophet would encounter in future
if he were to be a false prophet. But those verses were simply saying; if
the prophet had fabricated against God SOME OF THE SAYINGS (NOT the entire
message), then God should CERTAINLY HAVE CUT OFF (Laqo’tona) his aorta: the
term “ certainly have” indicate that this event should have taken place in
the PAST and NOT in the FUTURE(like after 23 years). Furthermore, the word
used in the Qur’an is Al-wateen which is translated as aorta: which is
quite different from the word Al-abhar used in the Hadith which means
jugular vein. Again, the Qur’an makes it clear that the aorta of such a
fabricator must ACTUALLY be cut off because of the word “certainly”. Yet
there is no any evidence or indication that the aorta of the prophet was
ACTUALLY cut off from that poison. If the poison has actually cut off his
aorta, he would never be the one to say; “I feel as if my vein is being cut
off” since he would have died before these words could ever come out from
his mouth. Feeling that something has happened is quite different from
‘that something has actually happened’. How could a poison, which would go
straight into the stomach, possess the power to ACTUALLY cut off the aorta? The
prophet only said those words metaphorically in order to express the kind
of pain and feelings he was passing through. If the prophet were truly a
fabricator and God wanted to use these verses of Qur’an to prove this case
to us, then one would expect his aorta to be cut off by THE SWORD (and
never by the poison) in the hand of his enemy during one of the many
battles he fought with the idol worshippers so that the fulfillment of
these verses can be clearly seen by all without any further argument. But
despite the fact that Qur’an said; We would CERTAINLY HAVE CUT OFF his aorta;
yet God did not allow the prophet to be struck on his neck by the SWORD or
KNIFE which would have been in perfect agreement with the what is written
in the Qur’an. From my own perspective, God allowed such words reported in
the Hadith to come out from prophet’s mouth only to serve as a test and
trial for those who are furiously searching for any slight evidence to
disqualify him as a true prophet of God. God wanted to test them: are they
going to base their judgment on this questionable evidence alone and
neglect all other clear evidence explained above which prove that the
prophet could never have fabricated the Holy Qur’an. This is exactly
similar to a kind of test and trial that God set forth for the atheists and
evolutionists: are they going to believe that human evolve from apes by
simply basing their judgment on the vague resemblance between the two
species and neglect all other evidence which prove that the entire process
of evolution could never have started at all due to natural law of entropy.
Even if the prophet was able to survive for 23 years after his claim as a
prophet of God but later died as a martyr by eating poison through the plan
of the Jews living at medina by that time, he has already achieved his aim.
In fact, that he was able to survive for complete 3 years after eating the
poison as narrated in another hadith while his companion who ate with him
died on the spot is another miracle on its own that also testified to his
prophet hood. In fact, God deliberately spare his life even after eating
the poison till concluding verse of his mission was revealed to him where
God Almighty declare as follows: This day, I have perfected your religion
for you, and I have completed My favor upon you, and I have chosen for you
Islam as your religion(Qur’an 5:3). If the prophet was a great impersonator
and great fabricator against God, then why would God have to wait for 23
years till this concluding verse was fabricated against Him? Yet He did not
even allow Hananiah ,the false prophet to even live for a year before he
removed him from the face of the earth (Jeremiah 28:1-17)

You're onto the foundation of Christianity. Very insightful of you.

Christ became accursed. The cross was a pagan symbol at the time which is still in use by demonic cults. It signifies defiance against God. Romans knew exactly what they were doing. And its effect was desolation ... His righteousness was obfuscated. God was separated from Christ at that point...

27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Matthew

That act ushered Christ into the realm of the Kingdom of darkness, and bound Him in death. BTW, death is a curse too. One that binds all men at birth, one that held Christ too. But only for a moment. He had to become accursed to access the realm of the accursed, because when he broke free of the curse, he left the door open for the men bound by the same curse.

Op, he had to submit to that curse, because it bound the men he came to save. It gave him access to them

4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth ?4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) Ephesians

What eph 4:6 refers to were the conquests of Christ as a result of that curse. He not only attained power over the curse by overcoming it, but that power is also demonstrated in form of Spiritual gifts(powers) that became available to men from that point. The rest of the chapter is about the gifts.

So yes, that cross was intentioned as the highest form of defiance towards Christ's Godliness, and it worked to His advantage,

Abdulgaffar22