I remember reading a debate online between two atheists on the subject of abortion. Richard Carrier argued for abortion while a certain brilliant lady whose name I can't recall argued against. Quite an interesting debate.

For me, I think the final choice on abortion lies with the woman whose life is actually on the line. And I do not regard it as murder as many are wont to. Provided the pregnancy is still quite early and the woman doesn't want to bear it to term for obvious good reasons, then it's fine. That's better than bringing a child into the world when one knows one isn't quite ready, no?

My views on this are obvious taboo in the hyper religious Nigerian society, and would seem to contradict my stance on humanism.

Well, as a humanist, do you think abortion is immoral?

Abortion is murder.
A fetus is just as good as a human being
To make matters worse, nobody speaks on behalf of the fetus.
Its like sentencing a dumb man to death because he cant talk.

Abortion is bad and an abuse to nature and God

felixomor:
Abortion is murder.
A fetus is just as good as a human being
To make matters worse, nobody speaks on behalf of the fetus.
Its like sentencing a dumb man to death because he cant talk.

Who speak on behalf of the sperm and ova during menstruation? wet dream? who speaks for the fetus during a miscarriage?

@OP the woman made the decision to go into unprotected sex with her lover that decision she made she should be able to take responsibility for it so I don't agree that abortion should be done in this case though am not Pro-Life and it also depends on the law of the land.

felixomor:
Abortion is murder.
A fetus is just as good as a human being
To make matters worse, nobody speaks on behalf of the fetus.
Its like sentencing a dumb man to death because he cant talk.

Ah an anti-abortion nut making a silly and highly flawed argument. What else is new?

McSterling:
I remember reading a debate online between two atheists on the subject of abortion. Richard Carrier argued for abortion while a certain brilliant lady whose name I can't recall argued against. Quite an interesting debate.

For me, I think the final choice on abortion lies with the woman whose life is actually on the line. And I do not regard it as murder as many are wont to. Provided the pregnancy is still quite early and the woman doesn't want to bear it to term for obvious good reasons, then it's fine. That's better than bringing a child into the world when one knows one isn't quite ready, no?

My views on this are obvious taboo in the hyper religious Nigerian society, and would seem to contradict my stance on humanism.

Well, as a humanist, do you think abortion is immoral?

I don't know about being moral because bringing a child into this world is a serious issue so it has to be a decision dependent on the people who will be responsible for the child and not on what others who don't have the responsibility to care for the child think is right or wrong. They don't matter, only the views of the people actually responsible for the care of the child matter

I'm for abortion for but then I think, won't the woman just use it as an excuse to keep getting abortions, it's irresponsible for someone to get over 4 abortions when a condom isn't that expensive or you could take birth control pills or something, but then I think again, what is my business?, is it my body? Will I carry the baby? Will i deliver the baby? Will I help take care of the baby? Will I take care of the child forever? Isn't it better for a baby to be aborted then to be born to parents who don't want them, the effects of such are seen in the society today. No baby should be born to parents who don't want he/she.

Then I get confused and ultimately decide to be neutral. If you want to keep the child, if you don't want to keep the child, it's up to the parents, let them do what they feel is best


By the way, I'm not interested in the views of the "hyper religious Nigerian society," who are only religious when it benefits them and become bloody hypocrites when it doesn't.

It is subjective.....

What type of abortion are you discussing about? There is a delibrate abortion, they are abortion that are terminated for the pupose of shame e.g father and daugher pregnancy.....rape victim, medical conditions and so many more...

I willl assume you are talking about deliberate termination....

Killing a human or yet to be a human (fetus) without reason for one or more valid reason is without doubt wrong. And in this case deliberate termination of pregnancy should be totally condemn..


I agree all humans have certain rights, among them being Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness......well, the pregnancy may be yours but your own personal decision isn't enough to justify the wrong act......just like cannabis is a wrong act....though you only affect yourself when you do it.....

felixomor:
Abortion is murder.
A fetus is just as good as a human being
To make matters worse, nobody speaks on behalf of the fetus.
Its like sentencing a dumb man to death because he cant talk.

If abortion is murder, then who speaks for the over 50% of all fetuses that are naturally aborted (miscarried). Who is murdering 50% of all fetuses because they cannot talk?

See report;

Pregnancy and Miscarriage

According to the March of Dimes, as many as 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage -- most often before a woman misses a menstrual period or even knows she is pregnant. About 15-25% of recognized pregnancies will end in a miscarriage.
http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/pregnancy-miscarriage

Many times an egg is fertilized with a sperm to form a zygote, but the zygote is unable to implant itself unto the uterus, it ends up as an aborted pregnancy. Same thing as having an abortion within 4 weeks of pregnancy.

hopefulLandlord:
Ah an anti-abortion nut making a silly and highly flawed argument. What else is new?

Sharrap. You know nothing

wirinet:


If abortion is murder, then who speaks for the over 50% of all fetuses that are naturally aborted (miscarried). Who is murdering 50% of all fetuses because they cannot talk?

Thank God you said natural

Natural death is different from murder.
Get it

felixomor:

Sharrap. You know nothing

oh look! an omniscient being calls me Jon Snow

Deicide:

Who speak on behalf of the sperm and ova during menstruation? wet dream? who speaks for the fetus during a miscarriage?

Baba there is no sperm in menstruation.
Besides miscarriage and menstruation are not intentional acts.

felixomor:



Thank God you said natural

Natural death is different from murder.
Get it

Felixmoron you did not answer the main question but use style to run from it

wirinet:


If abortion is murder, then who speaks for the over 50% of all fetuses that are naturally aborted (miscarried). Who is murdering 50% of all fetuses because they cannot talk?

Deicide:

Felixmoron you did not answer the main question but use style to run from it

Please switch to your other monikers
The foolishness on this one is strong as usual ryt now.

felixomor:


Baba there is no sperm in menstruation.
Besides miscarriage and menstruation are not intentional acts.

It seems that English language is a problem for you here lemme highlight it so you can understand but if you still cant then i cannot help you

Deicide:

Who speaks on behalf of the sperm and ova during menstruation? wet dream? who speaks for the fetus during a miscarriage?

Gerrit?

@bolded which brings us back to you answering that question Who is responsible?

felixomor:

Please switch to your other monikers
The foolishness on this one is strong as usual ryt now.

Will switching to my other moniker make you answer the question felixmoron?

Deicide:

[s]It seems that English language is a problem for you here lemme highlight it so you can understand but if you still cant then i cannot help you

Gerrit?

@bolded which brings us back to you answering that question Who is responsible?[/s]

So where does sperm come in ?

Deicide:

[s]Will switching to my other moniker make you answer the question felixmoron?[/s]

Ediort,
Just Obey

felixomor:

Ediort,
Just Obey

Answer the question FELIXMORON

felixomor:


So where does sperm come in ?

You still don't understand do you know what that means? it means i cant help you this one pass my power

felixomor:
Abortion is murder.
A fetus is just as good as a human being
To make matters worse, nobody speaks on behalf of the fetus.
Its like sentencing a dumb man to death because he cant talk.

Honestly, I am against abortion, especially from the second trimester. We might want to argue for its justification when its a pregnancy of shame, like incest and rape cases. But what if the baby is born before the issue of its paternity comes up, will the baby be to cover the shame? Whoever doesn't want a baby yet should prevent pregnancy through the various birth control measures. Or better still, abstain. Even rape victims should be educated on the need to put aside their shame and get medical help immediately.
However, there are times when a pregnancy may threaten the life of the mother. I'll strongly support abortion in this instance. Better to allow the fetus go than lose both mother and the unborn child.

Deicide:

[s]You still don't understand do you know what that means? it means i cant help you this one pass my power[/s]

You finally copped out.
Ediort

Deicide:

Answer the question FELIXMORON

Keep quiet dia

petergriffin:
Abortion is bad and an abuse to nature and God

the question is for humanists and freethinkers not religionists.

Daeylar:


I don't know about being moral because bringing a child into this world is very serious so it has to be a decision dependent on the people who will be responsible for the child and not on what others who don't have the responsibility to care for the child think is right or wrong.

I'm for abortion for but then I think, won't the woman just use it as an excuse to keep getting abortions, it's irresponsible for someone to get over 4 abortions when a condom isn't that expensive or you could take birth control pills or something, but then I think again, what is my business?, is it my body? Will I carry the baby or help take care of the baby? Will I take care of the child forever? Isn't it better for a baby to be aborted then to be born to parents who don't want them, the effects of such are seen in the society today.

Then I get confused and ultimately decide to be neutral.

By the way, I'm not interested in the views of the "hyper religious Nigerian society," who are only religious when it benefits them and become bloody hypocrites when it doesn't.

hmmm

Humanistme:


the question is for humanists and freethinkers not religionists.

then remove God from my comment

wirinet:


If abortion is murder, then who speaks for the over 50% of all fetuses that are naturally aborted (miscarried). Who is murdering 50% of all fetuses because they cannot talk?

See report;


Many times an egg is fertilized with a sperm to form a zygote, but the zygote is unable to implant itself unto the uterus, it ends up as an aborted pregnancy. Same thing as having an abortion within 4 weeks of pregnancy.

Natural death is not murder. Murder is an intentional act. Any intentional abortion is a no no. Perhaps you would have loved to have been intentionally aborted or murdered as a fetus.

petergriffin:
Abortion is bad and an abuse to nature and God

But God killing the Egyptian isn't murder àbí

Butterfly and Felix won't kill me o-o.


According to them, the universe is perfectly designed, yet abortion is NATURAL. But when humans deliberately execute the act, it's artificial. (lwkmd4h)

cc hopefullandlord, deceide and Co.

Una read that nonsense above?.......

petergriffin:
then remove God from my comment

Then your comment is useless, spontaneous abortion occur in nature.

adepeter2027:
Butterfly and Felix won't kill me o-o.


According to them, the universe is perfectly designed, yet abortion is NATURAL. But when humans deliberately execute the act, it's artificial. (lwkmd4h)

cc hopefullandlord, deceide and Co.

Una read that nonsense above?.......

Yeah i saw it

As an atheist, in as much as I disagree with the theist on the existence of god doesn't mean I disagree with them on anything else.

To me, abortion is morally wrong but morally equating it with murder and thus criminalizing it is where the biggest problem lies.