Europeans colonized us once

Arab colonized us twice

If the two race are to stand trials in court of law ....who do you think will received the highest punishment?

As we know, Black muslims suffer from deep mental-slavery and are very opposed to African spirituality. They often try to condemn it as "idol worship." When we say that our religious sculptures are just symbolic focal points, and not God himself, the muslims act stupid like they can't understand this, yet they do the same thing but with a building and not a sculpture.

When muslims worship, they bow and kneel to a mosque in the direction of the kaaba in Mecca. To any onlooker, they are worshipping the mosque building and the kaaba of Mecca.

That would sound foolish to the muslims because they know that the building is just a visual symbolic focal point not an object of worship.

Yet, hypocritically, they don't recognize the same logic in other religions that are doing the same symbolic thing but just with sculpture instead of bowing to a building.

Just as the muslim says they are not worshipping the mosque building, though they are forever bowing to it, we are not worshipping the sculptures. They are just visual focal points.

We only worship the true God, Olodumare. He is not a sculpture or a temple. He is the source of the universe itself.

vaxx:
Europeans colonized us once

Arab colonized us twice

If the two race are to stand trials in court of law ....who do you think will received the highest punishment?

As we know, Black muslims suffer from deep mental-slavery and are very opposed to African spirituality. They often try to condemn it as "idol worship." When we say that our religious sculptures are just symbolic focal points, and not God himself, the muslims act stupid like they can't understand this, yet they do the same thing but with a building and not a sculpture.

When muslims worship, they bow and kneel to a mosque in the direction of the kaaba in Mecca. To any onlooker, they are worshipping the mosque building and the kaaba of Mecca.

That would sound foolish to the muslims because they know that the building is just a visual symbolic focal point not an object of worship.

Yet, hypocritically, they don't recognize the same logic in other religions that are doing the same symbolic thing but just with sculpture instead of bowing to a building.

Just as the muslim says they are not worshipping the mosque building, though they are forever bowing to it, we are not worshipping the sculptures. They are just visual focal points.

We only worship the true God, Olodumare. He is not a sculpture or a temple. He is the universe itself.

u ar delusional
if we are worshiping kaaba and building as u say den y did Allah ordered d prophet battle with d kafirs (I mean does any of it mak sense to u bcoz It doesn't to me)
pls if u want to post point with proof either in d quran or bible

umarsheks6:
u ar delusional
if we are worshiping kaaba and building as u say den y did Allah ordered d prophet battle with d kafirs (I mean does any of it mak sense to u bcoz It doesn't to me)
pls if u want to post point with proof either in d quran or bible

you do not understand what I post there.... Read again and ask questions....

[quote author=vaxx post=61003228]you do not understand what I post there.... Read again and ask questions....[/quot wat did u post

[quote author=umarsheks6 post=61003767][/quote]it is not written in Arabic , it is written in English

may Allah have mercy on soul bcoz u don't even knw wat u ar doin

mayday! mayday!! mayday!!... this THREAD here is about Muslims...take cover! I repeat TAKE COVER and retreat!!



you can only win this argument if you know quoran way too well cos they goan twist it for you!

AvsGot007:
mayday! mayday!! mayday!!... this THREAD here is about Muslims...take cover! I repeat TAKE COVER and retreat!!



you can only win this argument if you know quoran way too well cos they goan twist it for you!

let them come

All Muslims are slaves .

enilove:
All Muslims are slaves .

yes we rather b slaves than worship a mortal dat even denies being a god and would deny dose who say he is God on d day of judgement
may Allah save us from his wrath on d day of judgement
may Allah ease our death wen d time comes
may Allah save us frm d Azaba(wrath) of kabar(grave)

umarsheks6:
yes we rather b slaves than worship a mortal dat even denies being a god and would deny dose who say he is God on d day of judgement
may Allah save us from his wrath on d day of judgement
may Allah ease our death wen d time comes
may Allah save us frm d Azaba(wrath) of kabar(grave)

so you are expecting munkar and nakir in your grave?

enilove:
All Muslims are slaves .

To Allah first, then to the lords of Islam

vaxx:
Europeans colonized us once

Arab colonized us twice

If the two race are to stand trials in court of law ....who do you think will received the highest punishment?

As we know, Black muslims suffer from deep mental-slavery and are very opposed to African spirituality. They often try to condemn it as "idol worship." When we say that our religious sculptures are just symbolic focal points, and not God himself, the muslims act stupid like they can't understand this, yet they do the same thing but with a building and not a sculpture.

When muslims worship, they bow and kneel to a mosque in the direction of the kaaba in Mecca. To any onlooker, they are worshipping the mosque building and the kaaba of Mecca.

That would sound foolish to the muslims because they know that the building is just a visual symbolic focal point not an object of worship.

Yet, hypocritically, they don't recognize the same logic in other religions that are doing the same symbolic thing but just with sculpture instead of bowing to a building.

Just as the muslim says they are not worshipping the mosque building, though they are forever bowing to it, we are not worshipping the sculptures. They are just visual focal points.

We only worship the true God, Olodumare. He is not a sculpture or a temple. He is the universe itself.

No Muslim worship anything other than Allaah. Praying in a Mosque and facing the direction of Ka'aba during prayer have nothing to do with the Mosque or the Ka'aba as buildings but they are acts of obedience to Allaah because Allaah prescribed so.

enilove:
All Muslims are slaves .

Yes. Slaves of Allaah.

bahaushe1:


No Muslim worship anything other than Allaah. Praying in a Mosque and facing the direction of Ka'aba during prayer have nothing to do with the Mosque or the Ka'aba as buildings but they are acts of obedience to Allaah because Allaah prescribed so.

i never rejected it in my claim..I only says why are Muslim not recognizing the same logic in other religion.....I know is a symbolic focal point...

Are you.people cursed or what? Did the op mention Jesus? Why did you bring Christianity into this and when did Christ deny being God.

Receive sense!,

umarsheks6:
yes we rather b slaves than worship a mortal dat even denies being a god and would deny dose who say he is God on d day of judgement
may Allah save us from his wrath on d day of judgement
may Allah ease our death wen d time comes
may Allah save us frm d Azaba(wrath) of kabar(grave)

Amberon11:
Are you.people cursed or what? Did the op mention Jesus? Why did you bring Christianity into this and when did Christ deny being God.

Receive sense!,

When 99.999...% of any anti-Islamic posts are created by xtians,you shouldn't blame him for bringing xtianity into this.

tartar9:


When 99.999...% of any anti-Islamic posts are created by xtians,you shouldn't blame him for bringing xtianity into this.

first, this is created by pagan..... And it is not anti Islamic.... It is an eye opener for those who are blind in faith....to the Muslim who insult and dehumanise the pagan

vaxx:
i never rejected it in my claim..I only says why are Muslim not recognizing the same logic in other religion.....I know is a symbolic focal point...

Did God prescribe worshipping Him through idols? No. So the two can't be compared.

One has divine instruction to pray facing Ka'aba while the other has no such instruction.

bahaushe1:


Did God prescribe worshipping Him through idols? No. So the two can't be compared.

One has divine instruction to pray facing Ka'aba while the other has no such instruction.

the question is did Quran God prescribe worshiping him through our own self realisation.... No.... But this is the truth.....it is illogical for a beige race to tell me how to worshipped my creator.... Am a Yoruba by tribe black by race and we are not dumb...l.

vaxx:
so you are expecting munkar and nakir in your grave?

even u wuld b questioned so don't tink u r excluded
and if u die like dis den u will sufer till eternity den u remember d pple who were warning u but u turned deaf ears

umarsheks6:
even u wuld b questioned so don't tink u r excluded
and if u die like dis den u will sufer till eternity den u remember d pple who were warning u but u turned deaf ears

any evidence? That mukar and nakir is true

vaxx:
any evidence? That mukar and nakir is true

But whosoever turns away from My remembrance, his shall be a life of narrowness, and on the Resur- rection Day We shall raise him blind.’ He shall say, ‘O my Lord, why have you raised me blind, and I was wont to see?’ God shall say, ‘Even so it is. Our signs came unto you, and you forgot them; and so today you are forgotten’ (Ta Ha, 20:124–126)

umarsheks6:
But whosoever turns away from My remembrance, his shall be a life of narrowness, and on the Resur- rection Day We shall raise him blind.’ He shall say, ‘O my Lord, why have you raised me blind, and I was wont to see?’ God shall say, ‘Even so it is. Our signs came unto you, and you forgot them; and so today you are forgotten’ (Ta Ha, 20:124–126)

I ask of evidence you are quoting Qur'an.... Can you do that in court of law...the judged seek for evidence of mukar and nakir....and you are quoting Qur'an....if na play stop am

Interrogation in the Grave Like death, the questioning of the grave is unavoidable. Everyone who has passed away is actually alive in the grave but the true nature of this life is beyond the realm of human comprehension, and while in that grave, each and every person will be interrogated about his faith. No one will be able to abscond. For the transgressor and the disbeliever, it will be a testing, traumatic experience about which the Prophet (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam) said, “It has been revealed to me that you will be tried in the grave; in severity, it will resemble the trial of al-Masīḥ al- Dajjāl.” [1] The interrogation of the grave is something terrifying to behold, “[In this world], I have not seen a sight more harrowing than the grave” [2] and our Messenger (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam) was so apprehensive of it and what comes after that one time, he stood by the side of a grave as a burial was happening, weeping and counselled his Companions, “My brothers! Prepare yourself for this day!” [3] After burying the deceased, he would say, “Ask for forgiveness and firmness for your brother, because he is now being questioned.” [4] “The grave is the first stage of the Hereafter. If a person succeeds there, what comes after will be easier; but if he fails, what comes after will be much harder.” [5] Success and failure will be determined entirely by the faith of a person and what they did during their life. In order for us to know how to pass this most important of tests, we first need to know what questions will be asked. Once we know what they are, we can determine what steps need to be taken, what preparation needs to done, in order to succeed. Our narrative begins at the point when the soul is returned to the body in the grave and the deceased hears the footsteps of the mourners as they leave. [6] Some people will be visited by two angels; stern, dark skinned with blue eyes, [7] voices like thunder and eyes like lightning-bolts: Munkar and Nakīr. [8] Others will be visited by just one of them. [9] They will make him sit up and sit up he will, rubbing his eyes. The sun will appear in front of him, red and dim as if just setting. [10] If he was a true believer, his prayers will be positioned at his head, his zakāh on his right side, his fasting on his left and the remainder of his good deeds, specifically charity, joining ties of kinship, good treatment of other people, by his legs. Punishment will approach him from each of these directions and each of those deeds will state, “You have no means of access here.” [11] The angels will begin to question him but he will say, “Give me some time to pray.” They will say, “You can do so later, first answer.” [12] Despite their alarming appearance, the believer will neither be terrified nor overwhelmed. [13] The angels will ask different people different sets of questions, but all will revolve around belief in the Messenger (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam) and following him: “It is about me that you will be tested and about me that you will be interrogated.” [14] “What did you say about this man, Muḥammad (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam)?” The believer will reply, “I bear witness that he is Allāh’s servant and Messenger.” [15] “What do you know of this man?” The believer will reply, “Muḥammad, Allāh’s Messenger, he came to us with guidance and clear proofs. We answered him, believed in him and followed him.” [16] “What did you say about this man?” He will reply, “Allāh’s servant and Messenger, I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship save Allāh and Muḥammad is his servant and Messenger.” [17] “What were you on?” He will reply, “Islām.” He will be asked, “Who is this man?” He will reply, “Muḥammad, Allāh’s Messenger (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam). He came to us with guidance and clear proof and we believed in him.” He will be asked, “Have you seen Allāh?” He will reply, “None can see Allāh.” [18] “Who is your Lord?” He will reply, “My Lord is Allāh, my Prophet is Muḥammad.” [19] “What did you worship?” If Allāh guided him, he will reply, “I worshipped Allāh.” He will be asked, “What did you say about this man?” He will reply, “He is Allāh’s servant and Messenger.” [20] “Who is your Lord?” He will reply, “My Lord is Allāh.” They will ask, “What is your religion?” He will reply, “My religion is Islām.” They will ask, “Who is this man that was sent to you?” He will reply, “He is Allāh’s Messenger.” They will ask, “How do you know?” He will reply, “I read Allāh’s Book, had faith in it and believed it.”’ [21] Once the believer has responded, the angels will say, ‘We knew you would say this,’ [22] and a voice will then proclaim, “My servant has spoken truthfully, prepare his bed from Paradise, open a door to Paradise for him and clothe him in the garments of Paradise.”’ [23] Through that opening, he will look on at its beauty and splendour. A gateway to the Fire will also open before him and he will see it, one part consuming the other and will be told, “Look at what Allāh saved you from, this would have been your abode had you disobeyed Him.” [24] Both sights will increase his joy. [25] His grave will expand, stretching out as far as he can see, [26] becoming a green, fertile garden, [27] and it will be lit up like on a night when the moon is full. [28] [29] He will ask permission to go to his family to tell them the great news, but will be told to rest and given the glad tidings, [30] “You spent your days in certainty, you died in a state of certainty, and in a state of certainty will you be resurrected by Allāh’s permission.” [31] A man with a comely face, nice garments and a pleasant odour will come to him and say, “Rejoice, you have tidings that will delight you: rejoice in good pleasure from Allāh and gardens of eternal bliss. This is your day which you have been promised.” He will ask, “Who are you, your face is beautiful and bodes well?” He will reply, “I am your good deeds, by Allāh I always knew you to be quick to do good deeds, slow to do bad deeds, may Allāh give you the best reward.” He will then supplicate, “My Lord, quicken on the last hour!” [32] He will then fall asleep, sleeping the sweetest sleep imaginable until resurrected and, while like this, his soul will be placed in the body of a bird which eats from the trees of Paradise. [33] [34] It is concerning this that Allāh’s Messenger (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam) said, “The soul of a believer is a bird that eats from the trees of Paradise until it is restored to his body on the Day of Rising.” [35] The two Angels will also come to the disbeliever and make him sit up, and sit up he will, terrified and overwhelmed. [36] They will ask him, ‘“Who is your Lord?” He will reply, “Ah! Ah! I don’t know.” They will ask, “What is your religion?” He will reply, “Ah! Ah! I don’t know” They will ask, “Who is this man that was sent to you?” He will be unable to recall his name and will be told that his name is Muḥammad (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam), and he will reply, “Ah! Ah! I don’t know.” [37] He will be told, “You did not know, neither did you follow those who did.” [38] The same will be asked of the hypocrite, the person beset with doubt. However, in answer to the questions, he will say, “I don’t know, I just said what other people were saying.” [39] They will say, ‘We knew you would say this,’ [40] and he will be told, “You did not know, neither did you follow those who did.” [41] He will then be warned, “In doubt did you spend your days, in doubt did you die, and upon doubt will you be resurrected by Allāh’s will.’ [42] A voice will proclaim, “My servant has lied, prepare his bed from Hell for him, open a door to Hell for him and clothe him in the garments of Hell.” He will then suffer its intense heat and inhale its poisonous fumes, [43] and look on at the Fire. An opening to Paradise will also open before him and he will behold it in all its splendour and be told, “This would have been your place had you only obeyed Allāh. Allāh replaced this with that!” There will be no limit to the depth of his anguish and despair. [44] His grave will constrict and compress around him so much that his ribs interlock, [45] and a man with an ugly face, coarse garments and an offensive odour will come to him and say, “I have news that will distress you for this is your day which you have been promised.” He will ask, “Who are you, your face is revolting and forebodes evil?’ He will reply, “I am your evil deeds, by Allāh, I always found you slow to do good deeds and quick to do evil deeds, may Allāh reward you with evil.” He will then cry out, “My Lord, do not bring the last hour!” [46] A blind and deaf person will come to him carrying an iron hammer; were he to hit a mountain with it, he would pulverise it. [47] All of mankind, together would be unable to carry it, let alone prevent it striking its target. [48] He will strike the disbeliever with that rod, crushing him and turning him to dust and everything between the east and the west will hear it strike, except for man and jinn. [49] Then his body will be returned as it was and he will strike him again causing him to scream in agony, the sound of which is heard by everything except man and jinn. [50] He will be set upon by seventy serpents, each having seven heads which will proceed to maul him, [51] then he will be rendered deaf, dumb and blind. [52] Both the disbeliever and the hypocrite will be punished until Allāh resurrects them. [53]

Interrogation in the Grave Like death, the questioning of the grave is unavoidable. Everyone who has passed away is actually alive in the grave but the true nature of this life is beyond the realm of human comprehension, and while in that grave, each and every person will be interrogated about his faith. No one will be able to abscond. For the transgressor and the disbeliever, it will be a testing, traumatic experience about which the Prophet (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam) said, “It has been revealed to me that you will be tried in the grave; in severity, it will resemble the trial of al-Masīḥ al- Dajjāl.” [1] The interrogation of the grave is something terrifying to behold, “[In this world], I have not seen a sight more harrowing than the grave” [2] and our Messenger (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam) was so apprehensive of it and what comes after that one time, he stood by the side of a grave as a burial was happening, weeping and counselled his Companions, “My brothers! Prepare yourself for this day!” [3] After burying the deceased, he would say, “Ask for forgiveness and firmness for your brother, because he is now being questioned.” [4] “The grave is the first stage of the Hereafter. If a person succeeds there, what comes after will be easier; but if he fails, what comes after will be much harder.” [5] Success and failure will be determined entirely by the faith of a person and what they did during their life. In order for us to know how to pass this most important of tests, we first need to know what questions will be asked. Once we know what they are, we can determine what steps need to be taken, what preparation needs to done, in order to succeed. Our narrative begins at the point when the soul is returned to the body in the grave and the deceased hears the footsteps of the mourners as they leave. [6] Some people will be visited by two angels; stern, dark skinned with blue eyes, [7] voices like thunder and eyes like lightning-bolts: Munkar and Nakīr. [8] Others will be visited by just one of them. [9] They will make him sit up and sit up he will, rubbing his eyes. The sun will appear in front of him, red and dim as if just setting. [10] If he was a true believer, his prayers will be positioned at his head, his zakāh on his right side, his fasting on his left and the remainder of his good deeds, specifically charity, joining ties of kinship, good treatment of other people, by his legs. Punishment will approach him from each of these directions and each of those deeds will state, “You have no means of access here.” [11] The angels will begin to question him but he will say, “Give me some time to pray.” They will say, “You can do so later, first answer.” [12] Despite their alarming appearance, the believer will neither be terrified nor overwhelmed. [13] The angels will ask different people different sets of questions, but all will revolve around belief in the Messenger (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam) and following him: “It is about me that you will be tested and about me that you will be interrogated.” [14] “What did you say about this man, Muḥammad (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam)?” The believer will reply, “I bear witness that he is Allāh’s servant and Messenger.” [15] “What do you know of this man?” The believer will reply, “Muḥammad, Allāh’s Messenger, he came to us with guidance and clear proofs. We answered him, believed in him and followed him.” [16] “What did you say about this man?” He will reply, “Allāh’s servant and Messenger, I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship save Allāh and Muḥammad is his servant and Messenger.” [17] “What were you on?” He will reply, “Islām.” He will be asked, “Who is this man?” He will reply, “Muḥammad, Allāh’s Messenger (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam). He came to us with guidance and clear proof and we believed in him.” He will be asked, “Have you seen Allāh?” He will reply, “None can see Allāh.” [18] “Who is your Lord?” He will reply, “My Lord is Allāh, my Prophet is Muḥammad.” [19] “What did you worship?” If Allāh guided him, he will reply, “I worshipped Allāh.” He will be asked, “What did you say about this man?” He will reply, “He is Allāh’s servant and Messenger.” [20] “Who is your Lord?” He will reply, “My Lord is Allāh.” They will ask, “What is your religion?” He will reply, “My religion is Islām.” They will ask, “Who is this man that was sent to you?” He will reply, “He is Allāh’s Messenger.” They will ask, “How do you know?” He will reply, “I read Allāh’s Book, had faith in it and believed it.”’ [21] Once the believer has responded, the angels will say, ‘We knew you would say this,’ [22] and a voice will then proclaim, “My servant has spoken truthfully, prepare his bed from Paradise, open a door to Paradise for him and clothe him in the garments of Paradise.”’ [23] Through that opening, he will look on at its beauty and splendour. A gateway to the Fire will also open before him and he will see it, one part consuming the other and will be told, “Look at what Allāh saved you from, this would have been your abode had you disobeyed Him.” [24] Both sights will increase his joy. [25] His grave will expand, stretching out as far as he can see, [26] becoming a green, fertile garden, [27] and it will be lit up like on a night when the moon is full. [28] [29] He will ask permission to go to his family to tell them the great news, but will be told to rest and given the glad tidings, [30] “You spent your days in certainty, you died in a state of certainty, and in a state of certainty will you be resurrected by Allāh’s permission.” [31] A man with a comely face, nice garments and a pleasant odour will come to him and say, “Rejoice, you have tidings that will delight you: rejoice in good pleasure from Allāh and gardens of eternal bliss. This is your day which you have been promised.” He will ask, “Who are you, your face is beautiful and bodes well?” He will reply, “I am your good deeds, by Allāh I always knew you to be quick to do good deeds, slow to do bad deeds, may Allāh give you the best reward.” He will then supplicate, “My Lord, quicken on the last hour!” [32] He will then fall asleep, sleeping the sweetest sleep imaginable until resurrected and, while like this, his soul will be placed in the body of a bird which eats from the trees of Paradise. [33] [34] It is concerning this that Allāh’s Messenger (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam) said, “The soul of a believer is a bird that eats from the trees of Paradise until it is restored to his body on the Day of Rising.” [35] The two Angels will also come to the disbeliever and make him sit up, and sit up he will, terrified and overwhelmed. [36] They will ask him, ‘“Who is your Lord?” He will reply, “Ah! Ah! I don’t know.” They will ask, “What is your religion?” He will reply, “Ah! Ah! I don’t know” They will ask, “Who is this man that was sent to you?” He will be unable to recall his name and will be told that his name is Muḥammad (sall Allāhu ʿalayhi wa sallam), and he will reply, “Ah! Ah! I don’t know.” [37] He will be told, “You did not know, neither did you follow those who did.” [38] The same will be asked of the hypocrite, the person beset with doubt. However, in answer to the questions, he will say, “I don’t know, I just said what other people were saying.” [39] They will say, ‘We knew you would say this,’ [40] and he will be told, “You did not know, neither did you follow those who did.” [41] He will then be warned, “In doubt did you spend your days, in doubt did you die, and upon doubt will you be resurrected by Allāh’s will.’ [42] A voice will proclaim, “My servant has lied, prepare his bed from Hell for him, open a door to Hell for him and clothe him in the garments of Hell.” He will then suffer its intense heat and inhale its poisonous fumes, [43] and look on at the Fire. An opening to Paradise will also open before him and he will behold it in all its splendour and be told, “This would have been your place had you only obeyed Allāh. Allāh replaced this with that!” There will be no limit to the depth of his anguish and despair. [44] His grave will constrict and compress around him so much that his ribs interlock, [45] and a man with an ugly face, coarse garments and an offensive odour will come to him and say, “I have news that will distress you for this is your day which you have been promised.” He will ask, “Who are you, your face is revolting and forebodes evil?’ He will reply, “I am your evil deeds, by Allāh, I always found you slow to do good deeds and quick to do evil deeds, may Allāh reward you with evil.” He will then cry out, “My Lord, do not bring the last hour!” [46] A blind and deaf person will come to him carrying an iron hammer; were he to hit a mountain with it, he would pulverise it. [47] All of mankind, together would be unable to carry it, let alone prevent it striking its target. [48] He will strike the disbeliever with that rod, crushing him and turning him to dust and everything between the east and the west will hear it strike, except for man and jinn. [49] Then his body will be returned as it was and he will strike him again causing him to scream in agony, the sound of which is heard by everything except man and jinn. [50] He will be set upon by seventy serpents, each having seven heads which will proceed to maul him, [51] then he will be rendered deaf, dumb and blind. [52] Both the disbeliever and the hypocrite will be punished until Allāh resurrects them. [53]