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The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by mumumugu(m): 12:33pm On Oct 08, 2017
God's Word?
GOD: If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (Deuteronomy 22: 28-2
Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by GodsMopol: 12:46pm On Oct 08, 2017
This is a law for punishment

Nigeria has a law that any homosexual caught in act will spend 14 year jail term

Laws are to ensure order

I don't reply mentions, bye
Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by brandonobi(m): 12:53pm On Oct 08, 2017
stupid stuff being called a law

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Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by rerhji(m): 12:57pm On Oct 08, 2017
nd wat if de were nt discovered?.... no punishment coz Jesus christ has died for dia sins
Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by OtemSapien: 1:23pm On Oct 08, 2017
GodsMopol:
This is a law for punishment

Nigeria has a law that any homosexual caught in act will spend 14 year jail term

Laws are to ensure order

I don't reply mentions, bye

Address the topic pls, that was a law by Yahweh. Nigerian law wasn't made by any god, I hope you know. That law was made by Yahweh. What a shameful law to make

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Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by OtemSapien: 1:23pm On Oct 08, 2017
brandonobi:
stupid stuff being called a law
You dey vex o. grin
Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by HajimeSaito(m): 1:53pm On Oct 08, 2017
mumumugu:
God's Word?
GOD: If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (Deuteronomy 22: 28-2


Let me help remove the cement block in your head.

Deuteronomy 22 : 28-2 simply means that if two people want to pretend like they are married before they are married (having sex with no responsibility) the punishment is.... marriage.

I think the modern misunderstanding of these verses comes when people think the word translated "rape" means sex against her will, not merely an offense against her honor. I think "and they are discovered" points to the fact that in this situation, the woman is complicit.

There are other verses that discuss rape against the woman's will - where she tries to call for help. In those cases the punishment is death for the rapist and no punishment for the woman.

Of course then the case would come up - did she really cry for help, or is she just framing him so she doesn't have to take the blame? That is why the distinction about in the city vs. in the country comes up later. The Law is trying to be fair to all parties, knowing that rape does occur, and also knowing that consensual sex outside of marriage does occur... and sometimes people lie about what exactly happened after the fact.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27 seemingly commands the death penalty for a man who “rapes” a woman who is betrothed.

It is important to understand that the Hebrew words used in Deuteronomy 22, verses 25 and 28 do not necessarily indicate rape. In verse 25, the Hebrew word chazaq is used, and it essentially means “seize,” or “take hold of.” In verse 28, a different Hebrew word taphas is used, and while it has a very similar meaning to chazaq, it is not the same word. In both verses 25 and 28, the Hebrew word shakab is used, and while it literally means “lie down,” it is used throughout the Old Testament to refer to sexual intercourse. So, both verses 25 and 28 describe a man seizing and having sex with a woman. While this is a possible description of rape, it does not explicitly refer to rape. Also, the differences in the Hebrew words between Deuteronomy 22, verses 25 and 28, could be interpreted as verse 25 referring to rape, with verse 28 referring to consensual sex.
Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by elgeehione: 5:49pm On Oct 08, 2017
Look how senseless their bible is.A man that you don't want raped you and the punishment for you that was being raped is that you have to marry the man that raped you.my question is that ,is this how Christianity seek redress for the person being raped or it encourages rape?So if an armed robber raped ones daughter, the father of the lady must marry his daughter to the robber.
Bible and it's absurdity.
Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by elgeehione: 6:04pm On Oct 08, 2017
HajimeSaito:



Let me help remove the cement block in your head.

Deuteronomy 22 : 28-2 simply means that if two people want to pretend like they are married before they are married (having sex with no responsibility) the punishment is.... marriage.

I think the modern misunderstanding of these verses comes when people think the word translated "rape" means sex against her will, not merely an offense against her honor. I think "and they are discovered" points to the fact that in this situation, the woman is complicit.

There are other verses that discuss rape against the woman's will - where she tries to call for help. In those cases the punishment is death for the rapist and no punishment for the woman.

Of course then the case would come up - did she really cry for help, or is she just framing him so she doesn't have to take the blame? That is why the distinction about in the city vs. in the country comes up later. The Law is trying to be fair to all parties, knowing that rape does occur, and also knowing that consensual sex outside of marriage does occur... and sometimes people lie about what exactly happened after the fact.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27 seemingly commands the death penalty for a man who “rapes” a woman who is betrothed.

It is important to understand that the Hebrew words used in Deuteronomy 22, verses 25 and 28 do not necessarily indicate rape. In verse 25, the Hebrew word chazaq is used, and it essentially means “seize,” or “take hold of.” In verse 28, a different Hebrew word taphas is used, and while it has a very similar meaning to chazaq, it is not the same word. In both verses 25 and 28, the Hebrew word shakab is used, and while it literally means “lie down,” it is used throughout the Old Testament to refer to sexual intercourse. So, both verses 25 and 28 describe a man seizing and having sex with a woman. While this is a possible description of rape, it does not explicitly refer to rape. Also, the differences in the Hebrew words between Deuteronomy 22, verses 25 and 28, could be interpreted as verse 25 referring to rape, with verse 28 referring to consensual sex.

What a dumb explanation.Is rape determined by the shouting of the victim.In the same vein if someone is threatened with dangerous weapons can the victim shout in that situation?How many rapped victims have reported the case to the authority due to fear of be stigmatized let alone shouting during the criminal acts.There are so many flaws in their bible.But they will rather choose to follow blindly.How many of the so call Christians can allow this law to be administered on their daughters? Hypocrites.

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Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by HajimeSaito(m): 6:44pm On Oct 08, 2017
elgeehione:


What a dumb explanation.Is rape determined by the shouting of the victim.In the same vein if someone is threatened with dangerous weapons can the victim shout in that situation?How many rapped victims have reported the case to the authority due to fear of be stigmatized let alone shouting during the criminal acts.There are so many flaws in their bible.But they will rather choose to follow blindly.How many of the so call Christians can allow this law to be administered on their daughters? Hypocrites.

To a mor.on it might appear dumb. Since intelligence is not in your DNA, I'll help you understand.
First of all, your analogy of being threatened with a dangerous weapon is utterly stupid because this part of Scripture isn't dealing with assault.
There are other scripure verses that deal with cases of assault with a deadly weapon.(See Deuteronomy 21:1)
The verse you chose to attack so stupidly is simply trying to prevent a scenario where two people (an unmarried man and an unmarried woman) are caught having premarital sex. Obviously since the sex is consensual, both of them will want to avoid the death penalty for sex outside of wedlock so Deuteronomy 22 : 28-2 provides marriage as a way out.
Honestly the stupidity of atheists can be quite baffling. I thought you guys supposedly thrive on logic.
Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by brandonobi(m): 1:30pm On Oct 11, 2017
OtemSapien:
You dey vex o. grin
its just too silly
Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by Originakalokalo(m): 1:51pm On Oct 11, 2017
Do not Commit fornication and adultery.

Once it is done against a Virgin, she has a lot loose.

The remedy is to marry her. Then, Once you are deflowered, that's all for you. You are done.

In other for the girl not to be at loss, marry her.

That doesn't not mean you won't attone for your sins. With sacrifices using animals.This was in place then.

Either you like it or not, the first Law ever written is that of Israel.

In 1986, Professor Modupe Olatunbosun vs Naisa (Supreme court)

A case was decided at the supreme Court in Nigeria.

The Judge cited Genesis chapter 2 in deciding the case. God vs Human and Serpent.

The law recognises the Mosaic Law.

Not because it is Christian.

Because it is the first Law Ever Documented.
Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by umarshek6(m): 3:28pm On Oct 11, 2017
HajimeSaito:



Let me help remove the cement block in your head.

Deuteronomy 22 : 28-2 simply means that if two people want to pretend like they are married before they are married (having sex with no responsibility) the punishment is.... marriage.
so marriage has now become a punishment ridiculous. So what if dey later divorce wat will be deir punishment?

I think the modern misunderstanding of these verses comes when people think the word translated "rape" means sex against her will, not merely an offense against her honor. I think "and they are discovered" points to the fact that in this situation, the woman is complicit.

There are other verses that discuss rape against the woman's will - where she tries to call for help. In those cases the punishment is death for the rapist and no punishment for the woman.
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Of course then the case would come up - did she really cry for help, or is she just framing him so she doesn't have to take the blame? That is why the distinction about in the city vs. in the country comes up later. The Law is trying to be fair to all parties, knowing that rape does occur, and also knowing that consensual sex outside of marriage does occur... and sometimes people lie about what exactly happened after the fact.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27 seemingly commands the death penalty for a man who “rapes” a woman who is betrothed.

It is important to understand that the Hebrew words used in Deuteronomy 22, verses 25 and 28 do not necessarily indicate rape. In verse 25, the Hebrew word chazaq is used, and it essentially means “seize,” or “take hold of.” In verse 28, a different Hebrew word taphas is used, and while it has a very similar meaning to chazaq, it is not the same word. In both verses 25 and 28, the Hebrew word shakab is used, and while it literally means “lie down,” it is used throughout the Old Testament to refer to sexual intercourse. So, both verses 25 and 28 describe a man seizing and having sex with a woman. While this is a possible description of rape, it does not explicitly refer to rape. Also, the differences in the Hebrew words between Deuteronomy 22, verses 25 and 28, could be interpreted as verse 25 referring to rape, with verse 28 referring to consensual sex.
Re: The Bible Condones Rape Of Single Virgens Only by Scholar8200(m): 4:31pm On Oct 11, 2017
mumumugu:
God's Word?
GOD: If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (Deuteronomy 22: 28-2
What version is this? Albeit this is one of the proofs of the Divine origin of the Word if we shed our garb of anachronism!!!

Unlike this our loose, lascivious, lax and lewd generation where a lady (men too) sleeps around sans compunction and concern, then the ladies were virgins and one violation of such engenders a change such that she suddenly has an attachment to her assailant! i give you an example:

When Shechem raped Diana in Genesis 34:3, after the act, his soul cleaved to her!!! This definitely is replicated in the woman, it's called a soul tie (bare in mind that both are virgins). And, while it is in place, any other marriage or relationship by the two to any other is in danger (except the tie is severed) when the first person is still alive. This is why a Chibok girl will miss her abductor husband!

Hence, since they have been made one already, then the external marriage formality. The "she doesnt want him" claim comes up because we are used to the geometric proportions of immorality that characterises this days so we dont understand the psycho-somatic alterations a first intercourse creates.

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