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The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by lovingJehovah: 7:30pm On Nov 11, 2017
THE THREAT: External threats such as decay and opposition have not destroyed the Bible. Yet, some copyists and translators have attempted to alter the Bible’s message. At times, they have tried to make the Bible conform to their doctrines rather than conform their doctrines to the Bible. Consider some examples:

Place of worship: Between the fourth and second centuries B.C.E., the writers of the Samaritan Pentateuch inserted after Exodus 20:17 the words “in Aargaareezem. And there you shall build an altar.” The Samaritans thus hoped to make the Scriptures support their construction of a temple on “Aargaareezem,” or Mount Gerizim.
Trinity doctrine: Less than 300 years after the Bible was completed, a Trinitarian writer added to 1 John 5:7 the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” That statement did not appear in the original text. “From the sixth century onwards,” notes Bible scholar Bruce Metzger, those words were “found more and more frequently in manuscripts of the Old Latin and of the [Latin] Vulgate.”
Divine name: Citing a Jewish superstition as their authority, many Bible translators decided to remove the divine name from the Scriptures. They replaced that name with titles such as “God” or “Lord,” expressions applied in the Bible not only to the Creator but also to men, objects of false worship, and even the Devil.—John 10:34, 35; 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6; 2 Corinthians 4:4. *
HOW THE BIBLE SURVIVED: First, although some Bible copyists were careless or even deceitful, many others were highly skilled and meticulous. Between the sixth and tenth centuries C.E., the Masoretes copied the Hebrew Scriptures and produced what is known as the Masoretic text. They reportedly counted the words and the letters to verify that no mistakes crept in. Where they suspected errors in the master text they were using, they noted these in the margin. The Masoretes refused to tamper with the Bible text. “Interfering with it purposely,” wrote Professor Moshe Goshen-Gottstein, “would have been for them the worst crime possible.”

Second, the sheer volume of manuscripts today actually helps Bible scholars to spot errors. For example, religious leaders taught for centuries that their Latin versions contained the authentic Bible text. Yet, at 1 John 5:7, they had inserted the spurious words referred to earlier in this article. The error even crept into the influential English King James Version! But when other manuscripts were discovered, what did they reveal? Bruce Metzger wrote: “The passage [at 1 John 5:7] is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic), except the Latin.” As a result, revised editions of the King James Version and other Bibles have removed the erroneous phrase.

Chester Beatty P46, a papyrus manuscript from about 200 C.E.
Chester Beatty P46, a papyrus Bible manuscript from about 200 C.E.
Do older manuscripts prove that the Bible’s message has been preserved? When the Dead Sea Scrolls were found in 1947, scholars could at last compare the Hebrew Masoretic text to what appeared in Bible scrolls that had been written more than a thousand years earlier. A member of the editorial team of the Dead Sea Scrolls concluded that one scroll “provides irrefutable proof that the transmission of the biblical text through a period of more than one thousand years by the hands of Jewish copyists has been extremely faithful and careful.”

The Chester Beatty Library in Dublin, Ireland, features a collection of papyri that represents nearly every book of the Christian Greek Scriptures, including manuscripts dating from the second century C.E.—only about 100 years after the Bible was completed. “Although the Papyri supply a wealth of new information on textual detail,” The Anchor Bible Dictionary observes, “they also demonstrate remarkable stability in the transmission history of the biblical text.”

“It may be safely said that no other work of antiquity has been so accurately transmitted”
THE RESULT: Rather than corrupting the Bible text, the age and multitude of Bible manuscripts have actually improved it. “No other ancient book has anything like such early and plentiful testimony to its text,” wrote Sir Frederic Kenyon about the Christian Greek Scriptures, “and no unbiased scholar would deny that the text that has come down to us is substantially sound.” And regarding the Hebrew Scriptures, scholar William Henry Green stated: “It may be safely said that no other work of antiquity has been so accurately transmitted.”
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by onlyTheTruth(m): 8:05pm On Nov 11, 2017
the book being paraded today as bible has many contradictions, false and unfulfilled prophesies, porn, lies n many other nonsensical things..... dis book s never d book of God, das y every tom dick n harry cn add or change wotevr they like, to suit dem.,.

find below some contradictions d alleged holy spirit dictated to his writers to write

1) ezra 2;2-63 and Nehemiah 7;7-65
same names, different numbers
ezra 2:64, if u add up, the sum is 29,818 and not 42,360 as d bible said.
nehemiah 7:66. the sum is 31,089 and not 42,360

2) ezra 2:65, it says 200 singing men n women
Nehimiah 7:67, it says 245

3) 2kings 24:8, joachin ws 18 wen he began to reign, n reigned for 3mths 10 days
2chronicles 36:9 he ws 8yrs and ruled for 3 months

4)1kings 7:26.. 2000 baths
2cronicles 4:5 3000 baths

5)2kings 8:26 ahesia ws 22 yrs wen he began to reign
2chronicles 22:2 he ws 42 wen he began to reign

6)In 1 Kings 16:6-8, Baasha dies and his throne is given to his son Elah in the
"twenty and sixth year of Asa" . However, in 2 Chronicles 16:1, Baasha comes up against Judah in the "six and thirtieth year of the reign of Asa" . How can Baasha die in the 26th year of Asa and be alive in the 36th year of Asa?

7)2 Chronicles 22:2 Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he became king,
2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king,

cool people involved in the battlefield
2samuels 24:9 In Israel there were 800k able-bodied men who could handle a sword, and in Judah 500k
1chronicles 21:5 ..1,100,000 warriors in Israel who could handle a sword, and 470,000 in Judah.
same reporter dictating to d two writers different figures on the same thing.

cool 2samuels 6:23 Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
2samuels 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul,

9) 1 Corinthians 14:33, God s not the author of confusion.. therefore, God cannot be illogical..

genesis 1: 3-5 light ws created on d first day
u cnt have day or night without d rotation of the earth, so if light ws created on the first day, without a source , and without earth, then day and night is illogical in this case and God is not illogical..

genesis 1: 14-19, cause of light, sun , stars etc, wer created on the 4th day

genesis 1:9-13, earth was created on the third day
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by Origin(f): 8:20pm On Nov 11, 2017
No other work of antiquity can stand like the Qur'an!!!!



Recited daily. Transcribed into many languages yet the original language is always included. People learn Arabic just to keep the language of its revelation alive.



Arabic one of the oldest languages still existing similar in nature to the language spoken by Jesus (the Aramaic language). cool
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by Dnaz(m): 8:26pm On Nov 11, 2017
Ana kogheri
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by lovingJehovah: 3:19am On Nov 12, 2017
How old is the Quran to be compared to the Christian scriptures?
Can the Quran stand a quarter of the tests stood by the holy scriptures?
What makes a book authentic, the fact that it still exists in the original language?
Is Arabic the language spoken in heaven or by God?
Who created other languages?
What makes Arabic so special that it has to be the language of a religion?
Do you speak Arabic? Are you a Muslim? How do you understand the message of the Quran when you cannot speak Arabic?
I am glad that you chose to use the phrase "work' of antiquities. Muslims that I know claim that it was sent by angel gabriel. Are you of a different breed of Islam?
What makes the Quran an authentic and reliable book?
What really do you know about ancient languages? Do you think Arabic is so relevant to the study of relics of the ancient world?
Do you believe that any archeologist would drop his millions to research about Arabic culture? I have never seen that in history. Not even Arabians.
Do not go bragging about Arabic, bro! It has never been a language of the ruling class.
Origin:
No other work of antiquity can stand like the Qur'an!!!!
Recited daily. Transcribed into many languages yet the original language is always included. People learn Arabic just to keep the language of its revelation alive.
Arabic one of the oldest languages still existing similar in nature to the language spoken by Jesus (the Aramaic language). cool
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by lovingJehovah: 3:31am On Nov 12, 2017
You have insulted the Bible for too long but can we talk?
What would you consider as the book of God?
onlyTheTruth:
the book being paraded today as bible has many contradictions, false and unfulfilled prophesies, porn, lies n many other nonsensical things..... dis book s never d book of God, das y every tom dick n harry cn add or change wotevr they like, to suit dem.,.

find below some contradictions d alleged holy spirit dictated to his writers to write

1) ezra 2;2-63 and Nehemiah 7;7-65
same names, different numbers
ezra 2:64, if u add up, the sum is 29,818 and not 42,360 as d bible said.
nehemiah 7:66. the sum is 31,089 and not 42,360

2) ezra 2:65, it says 200 singing men n women
Nehimiah 7:67, it says 245

3) 2kings 24:8, joachin ws 18 wen he began to reign, n reigned for 3mths 10 days
2chronicles 36:9 he ws 8yrs and ruled for 3 months

4)1kings 7:26.. 2000 baths
2cronicles 4:5 3000 baths

5)2kings 8:26 ahesia ws 22 yrs wen he began to reign
2chronicles 22:2 he ws 42 wen he began to reign

6)In 1 Kings 16:6-8, Baasha dies and his throne is given to his son Elah in the
"twenty and sixth year of Asa" . However, in 2 Chronicles 16:1, Baasha comes up against Judah in the "six and thirtieth year of the reign of Asa" . How can Baasha die in the 26th year of Asa and be alive in the 36th year of Asa?

7)2 Chronicles 22:2 Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he became king,
2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king,

cool people involved in the battlefield
2samuels 24:9 In Israel there were 800k able-bodied men who could handle a sword, and in Judah 500k
1chronicles 21:5 ..1,100,000 warriors in Israel who could handle a sword, and 470,000 in Judah.
same reporter dictating to d two writers different figures on the same thing.

cool 2samuels 6:23 Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
2samuels 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul,

9) 1 Corinthians 14:33, God s not the author of confusion.. therefore, God cannot be illogical..

genesis 1: 3-5 light ws created on d first day
u cnt have day or night without d rotation of the earth, so if light ws created on the first day, without a source , and without earth, then day and night is illogical in this case and God is not illogical..

genesis 1: 14-19, cause of light, sun , stars etc, wer created on the 4th day

genesis 1:9-13, earth was created on the third day
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by onlyTheTruth(m): 5:44am On Nov 12, 2017
lovingJehovah:
You have insulted the Bible for too long but can we talk?
What would you consider as the book of God?

reconcile these few contradictions first, because no one in christiandom is able to, som ended up editing their Bible usin one verse..n without givin any xplanation.

u want to talk wit me, solve this puzzle, den we cn talk.. d only book wit questionable source right nw s dat one in ya hand.... i dont mind u sharing d contradictions wit ya fellow "jesu followers" or even pastors, all of you joint together wil not solve dis holy Spirit mistakes, abi na man mistake?
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by smoy: 6:10am On Nov 12, 2017
lovingJehovah:
How old is the Quran to be compared to the Christian scriptures?
Can the Quran stand a quarter of the tests stood by the holy scriptures?
What makes a book authentic, the fact that it still exists in the original language?
Is Arabic the language spoken in heaven or by God?
Who created other languages?
What makes Arabic so special that it has to be the language of a religion?
Do you speak Arabic? Are you a Muslim? How do you understand the message of the Quran when you cannot speak Arabic?
I am glad that you chose to use the phrase "work' of antiquities. Muslims that I know claim that it was sent by angel gabriel. Are you of a different breed of Islam?
What makes the Quran an authentic and reliable book?
What really do you know about ancient languages? Do you think Arabic is so relevant to the study of relics of the ancient world?
Do you believe that any archeologist would drop his millions to research about Arabic culture? I have never seen that in history. Not even Arabians.
Do not go bragging about Arabic, bro! It has never been a language of the ruling class.
Just let the Qur'an be for now and solve the misery of your book called bible, let me add another one; how did Judas died?
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by lovingJehovah: 6:24am On Nov 12, 2017
Bro, if this is the best bullet that Islam armed you with, then you are embryonic for a show with me. The Bible was written by men inspired by God. Do you have a problem with that?
Islamists claim to preach peace but you are cantankerous in your approach just like an Ishmaelite. Are you an extremist or a serial killer of Christians?
Why would I care to reconcile verses in my Bible to someone who has no netiquette and decorum even toward his own faith?
If you are not ready to get in formation, you cannot have my attention
onlyTheTruth:


reconcile these few contradictions first, because no one in christiandom is able to, som ended up editing their Bible usin one verse..n without givin any xplanation.

u want to talk wit me, solve this puzzle, den we cn talk.. d only book wit questionable source right nw s dat one in ya hand.... i dont mind u sharing d contradictions wit ya fellow "jesu followers" or even pastors, all of you joint together wil not solve dis holy Spirit mistakes, abi na man mistake?
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by lovingJehovah: 6:35am On Nov 12, 2017
No, you came against the Bible and you want me to let the koran be? How illogical!
You are asking me how Judas died when I haven't asked you how Muhammad raped a 9-year-old girl.
You are an Ishmaelite who has been assigned to care for our camels. Your animosity toward Isaac even to the extent of hating the God of Isaac has made you a non-entity before all. This is how the Bible addressed you, 'His hand will be against everyone, and the hand of everyone will be against him.”—Ge 16:12; 21:20, 21; 25:16, 18.
You cannot get any better than that except if you repent and come to Jehovah.
smoy:
Just let the Qur'an be for now and solve the misery of your book called bible, let me add another one; how did Judas died?
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by smoy: 6:49am On Nov 12, 2017
lovingJehovah:
No, you came against the Bible and you want me to let the koran be? How illogical!
You are asking me how Judas died when I haven't asked you how Muhammad raped a 9-year-old girl.
You are an Ishmaelite who has been assigned to care for our camels. Your animosity toward Isaac even to the extent of hating the God of Isaac has made you a non-entity before all. This is how the Bible addressed you, 'His hand will be against everyone, and the hand of everyone will be against him.”—Ge 16:12; 21:20, 21; 25:16, 18.
You cannot get any better than that except if you repent and come to Jehovah.
don't be ash brother, this is your topic and let stick by it, if you said bible survived you need to be ready to defend and proof it, now answer my question of Judas death.
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by lovingJehovah: 7:06am On Nov 12, 2017
I am too old for your bait and switch game.
You are a Muslim on a Christian section and that is the definition of the word 'obsession'. You are not here for any good but you have come with a negative motive. You are not here to learn or listen to anything that anyone has to say but to bait someone and slander thereafter.
I have Muslims all around me. My driver is a Muslim who graduated in Islamic studies. I have decent conversations almost every day with sensible Muslims and not extremists.
You will flip over your roof if I ask you certain questions about your faith. I am trying to make it sink into your head that I am not here for contention. You can mess around with your type but I am not one.
smoy:
don't be ash brother, this is your topic and let stick by it, if you said bible survived you need to be ready to defend and proof it, now answer my question of Judas death.
Re: The Bible Survived Attempts To Alter Its Message by smoy: 7:23am On Nov 12, 2017
lovingJehovah:
I am too old for your bait and switch game.
You are a Muslim on a Christian section and that is the definition of the word, obsession. You are not here for any good but you have come with a negative motive. You are not here to learn or listen to anything that anyone has to say but to bait someone and slander thereafter.
I have Muslims all around me. My driver is a Muslim who graduated in Islamic studies. I have decent conversations almost every day with sensible Muslims and not extremists.
You will flip over your roof if I ask you certain questions about your faith. I am trying to make it sink into your head that I am not here for contention. You can mess around with your type but I am not one.
tanks for the admonitions, now back to the topic, my question is begging for answer!

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