By Bodie Hodge

HOW THE IVY LEAGUES LOST THEIR CHRISTIAN IDENTITIES AND A WARNING TO NIGERIAN CHURCH UNIVERSITIES


Many of America’s and England’s oldest universities were established as religious institutions, but now they advocate evolutionary thinking. What happened?

Harvard was named after a Christian minister. Yale was started by clergymen, and Princeton’s first year of class was taught by Reverend Jonathan Dickinson. Princeton’s crest still says “Dei sub numine viget,” which is Latin for “Under God she flourishes.”

In the United Kingdom, the earliest university-type establishment was probably the College, established by the Celtic preacher St. Illtyd in about AD 500. Oxford University was established by various religious orders. Likewise, Cambridge University was established in 1209 by Christian leaders. Saint Andrews, Scotland’s oldest university, was founded principally for the teaching and study of theology[/b]. The commitment of these religious founders might be suspect, but many of the later colleges were founded by Bible-believing Christians. The University of Edinburgh had a thoroughly evangelical beginning, being founded under Presbyterian auspices.

Even my alma mater, Southern Illinois University at Carbondale (SIUC), had Christian roots when it was founded in 1869. Our school motto was Deo Volente, which is Latin for “God willing.” By the time I attended SIUC in the 1990s, there was almost no vestige of that Christian heritage left. In fact, the university emphatically teaches evolution over millions of years and blatantly rejects the possibility of biblical authority (that the Bible is true—authoritative—and that we need to adjust our beliefs and actions to its teaching).

So what happened to cause so many schools to abandon their Christian roots?

ACCEPTING A NATURALISTIC WORLDVIEW AND COMPROMISING SCRIPTURE WERE THE FIRST CRACKS IN THESE UNIVERSITIES’ CHRISTIAN FOUNDATIONS. THESE CRACKS LED TO THE COLLAPSE OF THEIR CHRISTIAN HERITAGE.


The book The Sacred and the Secular University (2000) is an insightful study by Roberts and Turner, two secular historians who show no evidence of overt Christian bias. They discuss the change in American universities from the Christian worldview to naturalistic philosophy. They point out that universities across the board fell first in the area of science: “In the sciences, the critical departure from this hegemonic construct took place in the 1870s.” They add that “‘methodological naturalism’1 was the critical innovation” (p. 11).

Naturalism opposes God’s Word in Genesis, the foundational book of the Bible. As Psalm 11:3 states, “When the foundation is destroyed, what can the righteous do?” Cracks in the foundation led to a collapse of the Christian worldview at these schools.

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A Fractured Foundation

The cracks first appeared in the late 1700s and early 1800s, culminating with the influence of Charles Lyell’s three volumes of Principles of Geology in the 1830s. Belief in an old-earth seriously wounded widespread acceptance of the Flood and the biblical chronology, and Lyell just “finished off the victim and nailed the coffin shut,” as AiG historian Dr. Terry Mortenson says.

This old-earth belief permeated universities by the mid 1800s, setting the stage for Darwin’s evolutionary model in 1859 (Origin of Species) and his later work on human evolution The Descent of Man (1871), both of which required long ages. After Christian universities adopted these compromises, the slide from biblical Christianity to naturalism soon followed.

Roberts and Turner explain why Christians compromised with naturalistic scientists:

The determination of scientists to bring phenomena within the purview of naturalistic description evoked a mixed response from Christians outside the scientific community. … Many clergymen and theologians—most commonly those who embrace a ‘liberal’ approach to Christian thought—sought to avoid that outcome by joining scientists in embracing an immanentist conception of God’s relationship to the world [emphasis added] (p. 31).

An immanent position holds that deity would be bound within the universe, which is what these naturalistic scientists were teaching.

Undoubtedly, compromise with belief in an ancient earth and evolution contributed greatly to the spiritual downfall of these institutions.

Leaving the Bible Behind

Once Christians began adopting a naturalistic view, including evolution or earth history over millions of years, it didn’t take long for the rest of their faith to come crumbling down. They had given up the Bible as their starting point and had accepted naturalistic science instead.

Genesis is written as literal history; so it should be taken as such. (See Steven W. Boyd, “The Biblical Hebrew Creation Account: New Numbers Tell the Story,” ICR Impact Article #377, Nov. 2004.) The demise of former Christian universities should be a lesson to individuals, churches, Christian colleges and universities, and seminaries to stand firm on the Bibles clear teachings and beware of any doctrine that is not biblically sound.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. (2 Timothy 4:3–4, NKJV).

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Lalasticlala

Timely piece!
The good thing is that there are still people who resist the external pressure and build their work on biblical principles.

Desyner:
Timely piece!
The good thing is that there are still people who resist the external pressure and build their work on biblical principles.

Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development.

NPComplete:


Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development.

The list of past nobel laureate seem to contradict your submission. The main drivers of civilization were deep-rooted Christians.

NPComplete:


Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development.

You ain't better than the westerners who rooted their nations in Christianedom. We can't even begin to reel out the relevance of the church from the days of Slessor, down to these current days of the Oyedepo's, Adeboye's and the many unsung heroes who work tirelessly to change nations for good.


Accursed be all that learning which sets itself in opposition to the cross of Christ! Accursed be all that learning which disguises or is ashamed of the cross of Christ! Accursed be all that learning which fills the room that is due to the cross of Christ! and once more, Accursed be all that learning which is not made subservient to the honour and glory of the cross of Christ!
John Whiterspoon(founder, Princeton University)

"Harvard (1636) was the first university in the United States. It was founded by Christians to train clergy. Most of the first universities in this country were founded the same way.

106 of the first 108 colleges were started on the Christian faith. By the close of 1860 there were 246 colleges in America. Seventeen of these were state institutions; almost every other one was founded by Christian denominations or by individuals who avowed a religious purpose." - Bob Sidensticker

"Oxford and Cambridge Universities in the 17th Century required its scientist to be ordained Anglican Clergies. And yes those universities thrived in those times too"


British author Malcolm Muggeridge said, “I’ve spent a number of years in India and Africa where I found much righteous endeavour undertaken by Christians of all denominations; but I never, as it happens, came across a hospital or orphanage run by the Fabian Society [a British socialist organization], or a humanist leper colony.”

Summary: The Church is the most value adding Institution in the World. When the Likes of Yale, Harvard were being created the US govt had no idea what it meant to own Universities and till today the US Federal Govt does not even own universities and bothers not thanks to the labor of Christians who had instituted renowned centers of research and education

NPComplete:


Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development.

Lalasticlala

NPComplete:


Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development.

The lies you lot tell yourselves so boldly in the face of true contradictory facts regarding the roots of education, research and the likes is so dumbfounding that I wonder how you all sleep at night.

I wonder how there would ever be a tomorrow if there was no yesterday. Could there possibly be a building if there was no established land for the purpose of such a building?

The OP just reeled out prestigious schools with Christian roots and you are blatantly lying about some silly hindrance to human development as if we do not have a million and 1 developers, researchers, scientists, doctors, inventors, etc who are Christians.

Please take your lies elsewhere.

Desyner:
The list of past nobel laureate seem to contradict your submission. The main drivers of civilization were deep-rooted Christians.

Butterflyl10n:


The lies you lot tell yourselves so boldly in the face of true contradictory facts regarding the roots of education, research and the likes is so dumbfounding that I wonder how you all sleep at night.

I wonder how there would ever be a tomorrow if there was no yesterday. Could there possibly be a building if there was no established land for the purpose of such a building?

The OP just reeled out prestigious schools with Christian roots and you are blatantly lying about some silly hindrance to human development as if we do not have a million and 1 developers, researchers, scientists, doctors, inventors, etc who are Christians.

Please take your lies elsewhere.

HigherEd:

You ain't better than the westerners who rooted their nations in Christianedom. We can't even begin to reel out the relevance of the church from the days of Slessor, down to these current days of the Oyedepo's, Adeboye's and the many unsung heroes who work tirelessly to change nations for good.


Accursed be all that learning which sets itself in opposition to the cross of Christ! Accursed be all that learning which disguises or is ashamed of the cross of Christ! Accursed be all that learning which fills the room that is due to the cross of Christ! and once more, Accursed be all that learning which is not made subservient to the honour and glory of the cross of Christ!
John Whiterspoon(founder, Princeton University)

You guys don't know how to make a point. In your haste to prove me wrong, u started arguing against the wrong thing and didn't even stop to think.

Here's the post I quoted again:

Desyner:
Timely piece!
The good thing is that there are still people who resist the external pressure and build their work on biblical principles.

And here is what I said in response:

NPComplete:


Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development.

Tell me what is a lie in the response to the initial post by Desyner? The fact is that scientific breakthroughs of recent times do not rely on biblical principles, argue all u may.

That they were deep rooted Christian scientists doesn't mean they relied on biblical principles to build their works. Trust me if they did, u guys will still be swinging on trees by now. Because biblical principles have nothing to do with science. There have been great Christian, Muslim, atheist and polytheist scientists. It has nothing to do with the bible or its principles. Get it?

Show me one great scientist whose work was based on biblical principles. I challenge you all.

NPComplete:




You guys don't know how to make a point. In your haste to prove me wrong, u started arguing against the wrong thing.

Here's the post I quoted again:


And here is what I said:


Tell me what is a lie in the response to the initial post by Desyner? The fact is that scientific breakthroughs of recent times do not rely on biblical principles argue all u may.
Because they were deep rooted Christian scientists doesn't mean they relied on biblical principles to build their works. Trust me if they did, u guys will still be swinging on trees by now. Because biblical principles have nothing to do with science. There have been great Christian, Muslim, Atheist and polytheist scientists. It has nothing to do with the bible or its principles. Get it?

Stop confusing no one but yourself. Principles of the Bible propelled the top scientist. How many great Islamic inventors do we have?

Desyner:

Stop confusing no one but yourself. Principles of the Bible propelled the top scientist. How many great Islamic inventors do we have?

What principles of the bible propelled which scientist? Mention one. I dare you.

NPComplete:




You guys don't know how to make a point. In your haste to prove me wrong, u started arguing against the wrong thing.

Here's the post I quoted again:


And here is what I said:


Tell me what is a lie in the response to the initial post by Desyner? The fact is that scientific breakthroughs of recent times do not rely on biblical principles argue all u may.
Because they were deep rooted Christian scientists doesn't mean they relied on biblical principles to build their works. Trust me if they did, u guys will still be swinging on trees by now. Because biblical principles have nothing to do with science. There have been great Christian, Muslim, Atheist and polytheist scientists. It has nothing to do with the bible or its principles. Get it?

SMH and triple SMH.

And who is talking about biblical principles?

Christians roots encourages education and growth in knowledge while appreciating that this knowledge is from God. Christianity does not abhor knowledge it rather encourages it knowing that God is the one from whom all understanding and knowledge flows from.

Ecclesiastes 7:12

For the protection of wisdom is like the protection of money, and the advantage of knowledge is that wisdom preserves the life of him who has it.

Proverbs 16:16

How much better to get wisdom than gold! To get understanding is to be chosen rather than silver

Proverbs 18:15

An intelligent heart acquires knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge


Daniel 1:17

As for these four youths, God gave them learning and skill in all literature and wisdom, and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams


Proverbs 1:5

Let the wise hear and increase in learning, and the one who understands obtain guidance


This is why a great many scientist and in fact the fathers of science were Christians and men of faith who believed in God as the motivator of knowledge and the giver of it. So knowledge was proof of the mysteries of God revealed.

This surely would be strange to you but I am sure you have never asked yourself why man is wired with a hunger for knowledge. Why man is always seeking and never satisfied. Something in us is always driving us and urging us for more and that which we are pursuing after are things we met on this earth. Things already here and guiding us in the name of DISCOVERIES. We have never worked outside of our DISCOVERIES. As we discover we move and you would want to ask yourself "who is really in charge? " is it man who makes the discoveries or is it the discoveries which are pulling us in a direction already prearranged.

I think it's the latter.

And how come these discoveries which were always there before we came which are being made by man are all beneficial to us in so many ways? Who is really in charge here if all we have been doing is discover what was already here?

NPComplete The aim of the Bible was never to directly give Scientific solutions to problems which plague societies and even Nations so there is no point trying to correlate research breakthrough with biblical concepts. But the Bible definitely serves as an inspiration to impact our world positively as it gives Christians the mandate to Lead where others fails. The bible tells us in

Rom8:19 "...For the Creation earnestly awaits the Manifestations of the Sons Of God...."

Mat5:13 "You are the Salt of the Earth. But if Salt loses its flavour, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled by people."

Mat5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."



You made a comment which inferred that Christianity is a stumbling block to human development and I simply countered that point by making it clear to you that the most value adding institutions of learning and research in the world were established by Christians even in the presence of non governmental ones to model with. The Church educated America and the Remaining west. Without the Church there would be no Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford or Cambridge.

One of the three most reputable universities(SKY) in South Korea is the Yonsei University(Still a practicing Christian Uni) founded by Christian Protestant Missions in the 1800s and today is still every relevant in building the Knowledge base of South Korea. So how can you mention Christianity as an hindrance to human development?

Butterflyl10n:


SMH and triple SMH.

And who is taking about biblical principles?

@Desyner, this guy is talking to you. You might want to reply him.

The rest of the post is needless pointlessness and has nothing to do with my initial comment.

NPComplete:


@Desyner, this guy is talking to you. You might want to reply him.

The rest of the post is needless pointlessness and has nothing to do with my initial comment.

I am not talking to Deysner. Indeed you are terribly confused if you cannot understand what you wrote which I responded to.

HigherEd:
NPComplete
You made a comment which inferred that Christianity is a stumbling block to human development and I simply countered that point by making it clear to you that the most value adding institutions of learning and research in the world were established by Christians even in the presence of non governmental ones to model with. The Church educated America and the Remaining west. Without the Church there would be no Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford or Cambridge.

Your comprehension skills needs a little more work. Even after I corrected u, u are still arguing the wrong thing.

No, I didn't make any comment that implied anything of that sort. It was u who misunderstood because of preconceived notions which fit your narrative that some people believe Christianity is a stumbling block to human development.

The statement I made dissociated biblical principles from scientific breakthroughs. QED
No scientific breakthrough has been a result of biblical principles. Please point me to one if u know any.

U didn't counter anything I said either. U just made up whatever u wanted to believe I said and ended up countering what u made up.

Cheers.

Any scientific breakthrough that has ever been achieved has been achieved fully thanks to scientific principles.

It has had nothing whatsoever to do with any principle of any religion or creed.

If the Christians that made scientific breakthroughs relied on biblical principles, they would not have had any breakthrough to record. And the Christians who are trying to use biblical principles to do science even today have been relegated to the forgotten nethers of the scientific world. They rear their head every so often to spout some pseudoscience but none of them is relevant.

The relevant Christians who are scientists of renown have stuck solely to scientific principles and have done great works thus.

Until any of you guys can show me proof otherwise, my initial point remains unassailable.

Cheers.

NPComplete:


Your comprehension skills needs a little more work. Even after I corrected u, u are still arguing the wrong thing.

No, I didn't make any comment that implied anything of that sort. It was u who misunderstood because of preconceived notions which fit your narrative that some people believe Christianity is a stumbling block to human developments.
The statement I made dissociated biblical principles from science. QED
U didn't counter anything I said either. U just made up whatever u wanted to believe I said and ended up countering what u made up.

Cheers.

"Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development."

You clearly said that people who uphold Biblical principles are stumbling blocks to Human development. You weren't dissociating anything, you made an affirmative statement that Christianity inhibits Development and when you got called out for making the senseless statement you couldn't back it up but instead went defensive. But I'm glad you are back peddling, it shows you know what you said was rubbish...

HigherEd:


"Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development."

You clearly said that people who uphold Biblical principles are stumbling blocks to Human development. You weren't dissociating anything, you made an affirmative statement that Christianity inhibits Development and when you got called out for making the senseless statement you couldn't back it up but instead went defensive. But I'm glad you are back peddling, it shows you know what you said was rubbish...

It was Beyond rubbish.

NPComplete:


Your comprehension skills needs a little more work. Even after I corrected u, u are still arguing the wrong thing.

No, I didn't make any comment that implied anything of that sort. It was u who misunderstood because of preconceived notions which fit your narrative that some people believe Christianity is a stumbling block to human development.

The statement I made dissociated biblical principles from scientific breakthroughs. QED
No scientific breakthrough has been a result of biblical principles. Please point me to one if u know any.

U didn't counter anything I said either. U just made up whatever u wanted to believe I said and ended up countering what u made up.

Cheers.

The biblical principle I am talking of is directly linked to scientific breakthroughs. How do you term a scientist recieves inspiration from the Holy Spirit ? To me he followed the biblical principle to details.
What about another who was called by God to go into research or industry? The bible is man's (body, spirit and soul) manuals.

HigherEd:


"Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development."

You clearly said that people who uphold Biblical principles are stumbling blocks to Human development. You weren't dissociating anything, you made an affirmative statement that Christianity inhibits Development and when you got called out for making the senseless statement you couldn't back it up but instead went defensive. But I'm glad you are back peddling, it shows you know what you said was rubbish...

Why are you making a fool of yourself like this? Are u this daft? Should I break your skull and put sense into it? Don't u understand context. How foolish can one human being be? Didn't u read Desyner's arguments?
U didn't do very well in school, did you?

The people I was referring to people are people who built their educational and scientific works on biblical principles as a counter to the initial argument I replied to.

I am beginning to think u understand me but u are just dragging this talk on so as to attract the mods and more viewers to your thread. Because, quite frankly, I don't believe anyone can be this hopelessly stupid.

I am out.

Desyner:

The biblical principle I am talking of is directly linked to scientific breakthroughs. How do you term a scientist recieves inspiration from the Holy Spirit ? To me he followed the biblical principle to details.
What about another who was called by God to go into research or industry? The bible is man's (body, spirit and soul) manuals.

LMAO. I was about to unfollow this thread when I saw this. It is still cracking me up.

I asked you for specific examples and u are still telling me stories. Please show me one important scientist whose work is built on biblical principles like u initially said.

I like the comic relief you provide.

I am sure your fellow Christians on this thread, who thinks Christianity is the same thing as stupidity, will pretend not to see this your argument.

NPComplete:
Any scientific breakthrough that has ever been achieved has been achieved fully thanks to scientific principles.

It has had nothing whatsoever to do with any principle of any religion or creed.

If the Christians that made scientific breakthroughs relied on biblical principles, they would not have had any breakthrough to record. And the Christians who are trying to use biblical principles to do science even today have been relegated to the forgotten nethers of the scientific world. They rear their head every so often to spout some pseudoscience but none of them is relevant.

The relevant Christians who are scientists of renown have stuck solely to scientific principles and have done great works thus.

Until any of you guys can show me proof otherwise, my initial point remains unassailable.

Cheers.

Still talking nonsense...

DK Olukoya is a Scientific Researcher plus a Pastor of MFM. He didn't go to the bible to learn DNA isolation technique, neither would he argue that Bible teaches DNA isolation techniques. He however believes in the total authority of the Bible to serve as the Spiritual Mandate for any man just as he believes in Scientific Enquiry as the pathway to solve man's physical challenges and that is why the best research center in UniLagos was endowed by him....

David Oyedepo is one of the largest individual(not organisation) financial contributor to Research in Nigeria yet he believes in Spiritual principles. So I hope you get my point.

Science would never teach you about Jesus, just as the bible doesn't teach you STEM. Lastly, you are using the term biblical principles so carelessly that it is clear you don't know what that means

HigherEd:

Still talking nonsense...

DK Olukoya is a Scientific Researcher plus a Pastor of MFM. He didn't go to the bible to learn DNA isolation technique, neither would he argue that Bible teaches DNA isolation techniques. He however believes in the total authority of the Bible to serve as the Spiritual Mandate for any man just as he believes in Scientific Enquiry as the pathway to solve man's physical challenges and that is why the best research center in UniLagos was endowed by him....

David Oyedepo is one of the largest individual(not organisation) financial contributor to Research in Nigeria yet he believes in Spiritual principles. So I hope you get my point. I don't tire.

Was any of them a scientist whose work was built on biblical principles?
You are one hot Mòron. Lol

I am outta this thread jare. Some people just dey argue off point.

NPComplete:


Why are you making a fool of yourself like this? Are u this daft? Should I break your skull and put sense into it? Don't u understand context. How foolish can one human being be? Didn't u read Desyner's arguments?
U didn't do very well in school, did you?

The people I was referring to people are people who built their educational and scientific works on biblical principles as a counter to the initial argument I replied to.

I am beginning to think u understand me but u are just dragging this talk on so as to attract the mods and more viewers to your thread. Because, quite frankly, I don't believe anyone can be this hopelessly stupid.

I am out.

Shove your Insults back into that Sewage you call a throat.

You are the utter fool because Christian Scientist don't build their Scientific Work on Biblical foundations as the Bible was never meant to be a guide for science... Something I have said repeatedly to that blockhead of yours...

Let me make it simple to your degenerating watery brain using a Popular Christian University here in Nigeria-Covenant Uni. A Covenant University Science Lecturer is allowed to come to whatever conclusion he has regarding questions bothering on Nature, Biology, Physics etc. But that does not creep into the Church face of the University. The Church does not seek existential answers from her science colleges and that is what this thread is all about, American christian colleges admonishing Christian Universities world wide to hold steadfast in their doctrinal beliefs without letting philosophy of the colleges sip in. You were the one who deliberately gave meaning to DesyNer "Biblical work" as Science Discovery. Nothing in his initial post referred to Science or Scientist.

So don't come here with a stupid question that says "which christian scientist built his breakthroughs on biblical principles?" How is a Christian Supposed to build scientific breakthrough from the bible? Would I be trying to build a Space ship by opening to the book of Mathew or the book of Romans... Your questions is as stupid as it gets. Nothing in my bible teaches Biotech, Engr, Nanotech etc to make it an alternative or variant of science. Lastly biblical principles ARE not scientific principles e.g Believe in Jesus and receive Eternal salvation is an example of biblical principle. So when you ask me which breakthroughs are built on biblical principles you leave me confused. The fact of this thread remains thus that Churches built the best universities globally, some of which are still christian till today btw.
Now I am done with this argument Goodnight

Hey, Higherdeadhead.
Why don't u direct your arguments at Desyner who keeps insisting contrary to your argument that christian principles propelled great scientists forward? Could it because you are a mòron and can't tell he is making u look bad? He is the guy making the stupid arguments I am countering.
I have said time and again that Desyner's argument is why I am here. U keep pretending it is another because that relieves u of the burden of calling another Christian out.
Stupid Christians that can't correct each other when one is wrong.

How many Christians does it take to screw a lightbulb? Two. One to screw the wrong lightbulb and another to pretend he didn't just see the first do the wrong thing.
Fcking nincompoops.

NPComplete:
Hey, Higherdeadhead.
Why don't u direct your arguments at Desyner who keeps insisting contrary to your argument that christian principles propelled great scientists forward? Could it because you are a mòron and can't tell he is making u look bad? He is the guy making the stupid arguments I am countering.
I have said time and again that Desyner's argument is why I am here. U keep pretending it is another because that relieves u of the burden of calling another Christian out.
Stupid Christians that can't correct each other when one is wrong.

How many Christians does it take to screw a lightbulb? Two. One to screw the wrong lightbulb and another to pretend he didn't just see the first do the wrong thing.
Fcking nincompoops.

Read you first comment again and stop decieving yourself bros . . .
You thanked God that the scientists who are propelled by biblical principles aren't many and went ahead to say that's why we have gone far with human development.
I already explained my usage of the term "biblical principle" and so far you have nothing concrete against it. Stop trying too hard to win an argument and let logical reasoning prevail.

Desyner:
Read you first comment again and stop decieving yourself bros . . .
You thanked God that the scientists who are propelled by biblical principles aren't many and went ahead to say that's why we have gone far with human development.
I already explained my usage of the term "biblical principle" and so far you have nothing concrete against it. Stop trying too hard to win an argument and let logical reasoning prevail.

Your first post on this thread was aimed at discrediting the achievements of Christianity in education. You made it seem like whatever is achieved scientifically today wasn't built upon educational foundations laid by Christians. If Christians hadn't built those Ivy league Universities, the modern scientific achievements you speak of wont have been achievable cos the people making those progress graduated from those Universities.

Stop trying to act like we didn't understand your first post.

alBHAGDADI:
Your first post on this thread was aimed at discrediting the achievements of Christianity in education. You made it seem like whatever is achieved scientifically today wasn't built upon educational foundations laid by Christians. If Christians hadn't built those Ivy league Universities, the modern scientific achievements you speak of wont have been achievable cos the people making those progress graduated from those Universities.

Stop trying to act like we didn't understand your first post.

You obviously confusing me with the other guy . . .

Desyner:
Read you first comment again and stop decieving yourself bros . . .
You thanked God that the scientists who are propelled by biblical principles aren't many and went ahead to say that's why we have gone far with human development.
I already explained my usage of the term "biblical principle" and so far you have nothing concrete against it. Stop trying too hard to win an argument and let logical reasoning prevail.

Yes because no great scientist have ever relied on or propelled by biblical principles. And that is the point I have been making since. Biblical principles have not helped propel science in any way. How is your argument that the holy spirit told people to go into science any useful in this discussion. And your dunderhead fellow believers dont agree with u from all their arguments here. Seems u are alone in holding this crackpot opinion.

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NPComplete:
Hey, Higherdeadhead.
Why don't u direct your arguments at Desyner who keeps insisting contrary to your argument that christian principles propelled great scientists forward? Could it because you are a mòron and can't tell he is making u look bad? He is the guy making the stupid arguments I am countering.
I have said time and again that Desyner's argument is why I am here. U keep pretending it is another because that relieves u of the burden of calling another Christian out.
Stupid Christians that can't correct each other when one is wrong.

How many Christians does it take to screw a lightbulb? Two. One to screw the wrong lightbulb and another to pretend he didn't just see the first do the wrong thing.
Fcking nincompoops.

Well I do believe that science can be inspired by faith. There are numerous scientist who built their science on spiritual inspiration. And if that's DesyNer point I still support it 100%

You can read examples of such innovations which were inspired by faith in God
http://www.beliefnet.com/inspiration/galleries/5-inventions-that-were-god-inspired-ideas.aspx?p=2

HigherEd:

Well I do believe that science can be inspired by faith. There are numerous scientist who built their science on spiritual inspiration. And if that's DesyNer point I still support it 100%

You can read examples of such innovations which were inspired by faith in God
http://www.beliefnet.com/inspiration/galleries/5-inventions-that-were-god-inspired-ideas.aspx?p=2

Now that we have agreed on the bone of contention, let me address this.

The link you just shared does not in any way validate the argument that biblical principles helped any of those inventors. They could have as well been Muslims and still said God inspired them.