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Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 2:46pm On Feb 10, 2018
baralatie:

Now that you have realised that there is an ogiso owodo .That is a good start
Now Ogiso Owodo had a son by the the name Ekaladerhan who came and settled in ife and became the spiritual head after his displacing of obatala at ife.
Did you not read all my post or you lack comprehension
I never said there was no Ogiso Owodo, take that up with your lunatic brother historyworld031, who said Ogisos did not exist.

What I am saying is simple - Ekaladerhan is not Oduduwa, there is no single evidence to your Ekaladerhan claim, because it is a recent fabrication that has no traditional source

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 3:21pm On Feb 10, 2018
macof:
Did you not read all my post or you lack comprehension
I never said there was no Ogiso Owodo, take that up with your lunatic brother historyworld031, who said Ogisos did not exist.

What I am saying is simple - Ekaladerhan is not Oduduwa, there is no single evidence to your Ekaladerhan claim, because it is a recent fabrication that has no traditional source
because Ekaladerhan on arrival in ife changed his name to Oduduwa to conceal his identity but found out by a search party from Benin led by Elders but by this time he is now the ooni of ife

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 3:36pm On Feb 10, 2018
baralatie:

because Ekaladerhan on arrival in ife changed his name to Oduduwa to conceal his identity but found out by a search party from Benin led by Elders but by this time he is now the ooni of ife
oh jeez! You bini youths appear to be a lost cause. I hope I'm wrong

I'll try one more time

1. If Bini have no traditions of Ekaaderhan being Oduduwa then there is no way you can know that.

2. Any historical knowledge we have today is first based on a traditional source

3. what you have to do is to provide evidence that this story is traditional.

You can point to any kingdom for reference, as I point to both Bini and Ife for reference

Another reference I would like to draw your attention to is that the custodian of the Oba of bini ancestral shrine is chief Oloton who came with Oranmiyan from Ife, why have an Ife man as ancestral priest if the same bini was his origin?

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 3:51pm On Feb 10, 2018
macof:
oh jeez! You bini youths appear to be a lost cause. I hope I'm wrong

I'll try one more time

1. If Bini have no traditions of Ekaaderhan being Oduduwa then there is no way you can know that.

2. Any historical knowledge we have today is first based on a traditional source

3. what you have to do is to provide evidence that this story is traditional.

You can point to any kingdom for reference, as I point to both Bini and Ife for reference

Another reference I would like to draw your attention to is that the custodian of the Oba of bini ancestral shrine is chief Oloton who came with Oranmiyan from Ife, why have an Ife man as ancestral priest if the same bini was his origin?

what we're you expecting before?
Oduduwa is at a big risk if he leaves ife to return to Bini.The best option is to send Oranmiyan with a priest.it does not change the fact that Oranmiyan' is the heir to the throne and not ogiamen!

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 3:56pm On Feb 10, 2018
baralatie:

what we're you expecting before?
Oduduwa is at a big risk if he leaves ife to return to Bini.The best option is to send Oranmiyan with a priest.it does not change the fact that Oranmiyan' is the heir to the throne and not ogiamen!
You are not addressing any of the points i have raised, you keep evading them and more or less going around circles

Oga, Oranmiyan is not even Odudwa's first son.. heck! His paternity was/is contested between Oduduwa and Ogun(Oduduwa's first son)...

So this Bini claim falls apart anyway you look at it

I just want to encourage the youth to actually learn history and not just push ethnic agendas and bigoted sentiments

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 4:07pm On Feb 10, 2018
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Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 4:09pm On Feb 10, 2018
macof:
You are not addressing any of the points i have raised, you keep evading them and more or less going around circles

Oga, Oranmiyan is not even Odudwa's first son.. heck! His paternity was/is contested between Oduduwa and Ogun(Oduduwa's first son)...

So this Bini claim falls apart anyway you look at it

I just want to encourage the youth to actually learn history and not just push ethnic agendas and bigoted sentiments
you have come o!
Oranmiyan's is not oduduwa's son?
please help me out here?

I am not going out my statement!Oduduwa spiritual leader who displaced obatala who was his rival in ife is the son of ogiso Owodo.
Have you ever wonder how easy it was for Oduduwa to push obatala to one corner and become the first oba and spiritual head

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 4:33pm On Feb 10, 2018
baralatie:

you have come o!
Oranmiyan's is not oduduwa's son?
please help me out here?
how Ogun enter ife matter?
you see, it is because you are not studying yoruba history that is why you are shocked to hear that Oduduwa "might" not be Oranmiyan's father

Ogun, the first son of Oduduwa had a warring personality, he waged battles as far as Ekiti, on one such missions he captured a woman called Lakange and had an affair with her. Not much is known as to what exactly followed but Oduduwa married Lakange without Ogun's knowledge and later she was found to be pregnant - who has the child? well never was settled ( Ironically Oranmiyan means 'my Issue has been settled' cheesy )

TO make matters worse he was born with a pigmentation disorder reflecting the complexion of both Oduduwa and Ogun

In Oyo, they put it simply that Oranmiyan is a grandson to Oduduwa

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 4:44pm On Feb 10, 2018
macof:

you see, it is because you are not studying yoruba history that is why you are shocked to hear that Oduduwa "might" not be Oranmiyan's father

Ogun, the first son of Oduduwa had a warring personality, he waged battles as far as Ekiti, on one such missions he captured a woman called Lakange and had an affair with her. Not much is known as to what exactly followed but Oduduwa married Lakange without Ogun's knowledge and later she was found to be pregnant - who has the child? well never was settled

TO make matters worse he was born with a pigmentation disorder reflecting the complexion of both Oduduwa and Ogun

Odùduwà is generally said to be of Easterly origins (some in Oyo say Mecca, but historians generally assume Ekiti-Okun region at the confluence of the great rivers and the general area where language shift occurred between the Yorubas and their neighbors).
The Ife oral traditions, on the other hand, tell that Odùduwà was the son of the supreme God, and was sent by him from heaven to create the earth. It was established that when Odùduwà arrived ancient Ife, he and his group conquered the component communities and eventually evolved the palace structure with an effective centralized power and dynasty.
Oral history tells us that Oduduwa had a son known as Okanbi. Okanbi had EIGHT children. SEVEN (Onipopo of Popo, Onisabe of Sabe, Alara of Ara, Ajero of Ijero, Orangun of Oke-Ila, Owa Obokun Ajibogun of Ijesaland and Oranmiyan) by his “legal” wife, and one (Ooni) by his slave turned wife, named ORUNTO. The first seven were sent out by their father to establish other kingdoms while Ooni stayed behind to take care of their father and he inherited the throne of his father after his demise.
Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 5:07pm On Feb 10, 2018
baralatie:


Odùduwà is generally said to be of Easterly origins (some in Oyo say Mecca, but historians generally assume Ekiti-Okun region at the confluence of the great rivers and the general area where language shift occurred between the Yorubas and their neighbors).
The Ife oral traditions, on the other hand, tell that Odùduwà was the son of the supreme God, and was sent by him from heaven to create the earth. It was established that when Odùduwà arrived ancient Ife, he and his group conquered the component communities and eventually evolved the palace structure with an effective centralized power and dynasty.
Oral history tells us that Oduduwa had a son known as Okanbi. Okanbi had EIGHT children. SEVEN (Onipopo of Popo, Onisabe of Sabe, Alara of Ara, Ajero of Ijero, Orangun of Oke-Ila, Owa Obokun Ajibogun of Ijesaland and Oranmiyan) by his “legal” wife, and one (Ooni) by his slave turned wife, named ORUNTO. The first seven were sent out by their father to establish other kingdoms while Ooni stayed behind to take care of their father and he inherited the throne of his father after his demise.
Now this is a whole load of misconceptions and misunderstanding

Oduduwa is rightly said to have eastern origins... Ila oorun ni Oodua ti wa. this is another reference to Oke-ora, which is east of Ile-ife

Oduduwa as son of Olodumare, well here refers to the Spirituality of Ifa, in Yoruba traditions names of great personalities are dualized, that means used for two purposes, 1. Historical and 2. Spiritual or Mythical
Oduduwa in Yoruba creation myth is described as the one who formed earth, In Odu ifa Ogunda, he is called Olofin otete, oun lo gbe Igba iwa wa s'Aye. it is Olofin otete who brought the calabash of existence to earth, meaning he brought Earth into existence
this is like a religion not history. Oduduwa here is not a human being, different things, just same name


There is no evidence for Okanbi being the only son of Oduduwa, I have only read that in books, no traditional source. As far as Yoruba tradition, I mean real tradition associated with festivals and rites oduduwa had many children. Okanbi might be Ogun, I don't know but what i am certain is that Oduduwa had many sons

Orunto was born of a slave yes, and was supported by some sections to be Ooni but he never became Ooni, Orunto is the ancestor of the Obalufe families in Ife today

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 5:58pm On Feb 10, 2018
macof:

Now this is a whole load of misconceptions and misunderstanding

Oduduwa is rightly said to have eastern origins... Ila oorun ni Oodua ti wa. this is another reference to Oke-ora, which is east of Ile-ife

Oduduwa as son of Olodumare, well here refers to the Spirituality of Ifa, in Yoruba traditions names of great personalities are dualized, that means used for two purposes, 1. Historical and 2. Spiritual or Mythical
Oduduwa in Yoruba creation myth is described as the one who formed earth, In Odu ifa Ogunda, he is called Olofin otete, oun lo gbe Igba iwa wa s'Aye. it is Olofin otete who brought the calabash of existence to earth, meaning he brought Earth into existence
this is like a religion not history. Oduduwa here is not a human being, different things, just same name


There is no evidence for Okanbi being the only son of Oduduwa, I have only read that in books, no traditional source. As far as Yoruba tradition, I mean real tradition associated with festivals and rites oduduwa had many children. Okanbi might be Ogun, I don't know but what i am certain is that Oduduwa had many sons

Orunto was born of a slave yes, and was supported by some sections to be Ooni but he never became Ooni, Orunto is the ancestor of the Obalufe families in Ife today

Historically, Obatala was a King in Ife city, who was deposed immediately by Oduduwa and his supporters, this is re-enacted every year in the Itapa festival in Ile Ife . Ultimately, Oduduwa and his sons were able to rule with Obatala's reluctant consent.

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by AreaFada2: 7:05pm On Feb 10, 2018
macof:



Hate Yoruba all you want, it is great people that are hated out of pure envy and inferiority complex. Doesn't change the fact that the Oba of bini is a Yoruba Prince ruling over the Edo people


Hate? In APC era everything is hate speech. I do not spend my time hating anyone. I just wrote my observations and history.

The fact is Benin gave Ife Oduduwa. I have consistently stated this for years here on NL.
Of course people hail own tribe. Why should I expect anything else from you? grin cheesy
What people are very bad at though is introspection.
It take unique people to seek the truth. Lazy pedestrian people find tribalism and nationalism far easier.

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 7:14pm On Feb 10, 2018
AreaFada2:


Hate? In APC era everything is hate speech. I do not spend my time hating anyone. I just wrote my observations and history.

The fact is Benin gave Ife Oduduwa. I have consistently stated this for years here on NL.
Of course people hail own tribe. Why should I expect anything else from you? grin cheesy
What people are very bad at though is introspection.
It take unique people to seek the truth. Lazy pedestrian people find tribalism and nationalism far easier.
Fact comes with evidence

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by Nobody: 10:17pm On Feb 10, 2018
Is there any topic that will not turn into a turkey fight?
Re: The Great Benin Empire by AreaFada2: 11:38pm On Feb 10, 2018
macof:
Fact comes with evidence

As soon as you show me evidence of the chain Oduduwa used to descend from wherever, ask for mine too. grin cheesy grin

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by AreaFada2: 11:57pm On Feb 10, 2018
baralatie:
I know of the Benin art and artifacts but I don't know of Benin wall.mostly I have not seen its mark

Have you gone to Benin to look for it? Many of us saw remnants of the wall next to the moats growing up. Some still remain. If not that the moats were so deep, long and stubbornly resilient, there would be none left by now. Lot of it became refuse dump for the growing city post 1897. The walls were knocked over to partly fill the moat (more sand moved from elsewhere) and used as building plot. British colonial govt had no interest in preserving it, unlike what Obas/emperors of Benin did until 1897.

These were walls built with largely red earth that had to be periodically repaired and maintained. But as it became redundant, remnants left by destruction in 1897 were not maintained. We are talking of a tropical place with very high rainfall. All in the middle of a city (as it grew way beyond the second/outer moat) as no trees to shelter from heavy rains Benin experiences.

If you go to your village, how many earth walls of houses abandoned and exposed to rain for over 120 years will you find intact? shocked shocked

I went to one village and some houses that were still strong and inhabited 25 years ago are now flat earth. Once the owner died, the daughters (one had no surviving son) got married and never saw the need to maintain the house. One had many sons but once the senior son who inherited the house died relatively young, the house collapsed as all now live in the city.

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by jara: 12:29am On Feb 11, 2018
Macof, you tia no be small.

For a long time these usurpers of their ancestors culture,.. still practiced until this very day in front of our eyes, have gotten away with self aggrandizement since newly written book by a Yoruba Oba in Benin looking for acceptance.

No difference between him and Oba Eko that did not realize or forgot that his great father was Alagba from Ilesha.

Ekhanlederan, the founder of Ughpton where he ran to and still celebrated there up to today has been replaced with Ife.

What is the similarity between Ile-Ife and Ughoton that confused these fraudsters?

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 1:59am On Feb 11, 2018
AreaFada2:


As soon as you show me evidence of the chain Oduduwa used to descend from wherever, ask for mine too. grin cheesy grin
oh you are also a raving lunatic like the other one tongue

What chain?

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by AreaFada2: 6:24am On Feb 11, 2018
macof:
oh you are also a raving lunatic like the other one tongue

What chain?
Lol. Oh he did not descend with chain again? cheesy grin

Well the other fairy tales and lies are many: came from Sudan, came from Egypt, came from Israel. Which of the lies is yours? shocked shocked shocked

Unlike most people, I can actually help you with your mental issues, be it mania, psychosis or whatever. Or enlist the help of one of the best in the business that I know. An award winning mental health specialist. Feel free to get help. It appears those dump 9ja centres like Aro and Yaba Left have failed. On second thought, I doubt if the interior minister will let a raving lunatic into the country. Too bad.tongue tongue tongue

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 10:14am On Feb 11, 2018
AreaFada2:

Lol. Oh he did not descend with chain again? cheesy grin

Well the other fairy tales and lies are many: came from Sudan, came from Egypt, came from Israel. Which of the lies is yours? shocked shocked shocked

Unlike most people, I can actually help you with your mental issues, be it mania, psychosis or whatever. Or enlist the help of one of the best in the business that I know. An award winning mental health specialist. Feel free to get help. It appears those dump 9ja centres like Aro and Yaba Left have failed. On second thought, I doubt if the interior minister will let a raving lunatic into the country. Too bad.tongue tongue tongue

It is becoming obvious that Bini youths are senseless and lack any sort of intelligence...some are even mad. If not behaviour such as what is playing out in modern times especially on social media won't be the case..

Go and learn ...that is my advice to you

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by AreaFada2: 5:24pm On Feb 11, 2018
macof:


It is becoming obvious that Bini youths are senseless and lack any sort of intelligence...some are even mad. If not behaviour such as what is playing out in modern times especially on social media won't be the case..

Go and learn ...that is my advice to you

Hehehe.

Tell me the school you went to and the degrees you acquired or your level of exposure to the world. I did not attend any mushroom schools masquerading as university. I wonder how one gets to study in some of the world's best universities (all consistently in top 10, top 20 in World University League tables). You think all those universities you guys attend, create nothing, contribute nothing and blow outdated Victorian English as evidence of education is meaningful?

Oh like some SW people once said about an Edo person to oyinbo people "he's only a minority, do not ask him about Nigerian history. He cannot know anything about Nigerian history". That was about a first class graduate Edo man. Jealousy of how oyinbo relied on his expertise prompted your SW people to behave that way. Of course oyinbo people easily saw how pathetic your people can be in that instance. cheesy grin

Tell me your publications in renowned international Journals like Nature. Tell me your contribution to the body of knowledge in Western/advanced societies. Then we can compare. After that I will take you seriously. Tribal megalomania has blinded you lot. We're no more in the era of Western Region (which Midwest left anyway, thanks very much). Otherwise steer clear of comparing intelligence and stick to your agbero tactics in which you excel. tongue tongue

Like I wrote in a post yesterday you lot resort to agbero tactics, swearing and insults when your pseudo-intellectualism fails and you get angry. That is why you first call someone you do not know "a raving lunatic". You lot claim to be educated but still lick the ass of the uneducated North. Pathetic.

Like a typical coward swearing behind a faceless platform is very convenient. In Edo we do not brag. In real life I will not even threaten you saying "ah ah, emi ke, ah ma pa e o" before breaking your bones if it has to be. I do not even have to swear first. Just mess up and you get the result straight. grin cheesy

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by SicilianMafia: 10:39pm On Feb 11, 2018
Is it that Yoruba's are caused with a moronic and jealous spirit or what?

Such shameless people!!

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by peterphd(m): 2:17am On Feb 12, 2018
AreaFada2:


Hehehe.

Tell me the school you went to and the degrees you acquired or your level of exposure to the world. I did not attend any mushroom schools masquerading as university. I wonder how one gets to study in some of the world's best universities (all consistently in top 10, top 20 in World University League tables). You think all those universities you guys attend, create nothing, contribute nothing and blow outdated Victorian English as evidence of education is meaningful?

Oh like some SW people once said about an Edo person to oyinbo people "he's only a minority, do not ask him about Nigerian history. He cannot know anything about Nigerian history". That was about a first class graduate Edo man. Jealousy of how oyinbo relied on his expertise prompted your SW people to behave that way. Of course oyinbo people easily saw how pathetic your people can be in that instance. cheesy grin

Tell me your publications in renowned international Journals like Nature. Tell me your contribution to the body of knowledge in Western/advanced societies. Then we can compare. After that I will take you seriously. Tribal megalomania has blinded you lot. We're no more in the era of Western Region (which Midwest left anyway, thanks very much). Otherwise steer clear of comparing intelligence and stick to your agbero tactics in which you excel. tongue tongue

Like I wrote in a post yesterday you lot resort to agbero tactics, swearing and insults when your pseudo-intellectualism fails and you get angry. That is why you first call someone you do not know "a raving lunatic". You lot claim to be educated but still lick the ass of the uneducated North. Pathetic.

Like a typical coward swearing behind a faceless platform is very convenient. In Edo we do not brag. In real life I will not even threaten you saying "ah ah, emi ke, ah ma pa e o" before breaking your bones if it has to be. I do not even have to swear first. Just mess up and you get the result straight. grin cheesy

You sir are a savage!!

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by macof(m): 4:08pm On Feb 12, 2018
AreaFada2:


Hehehe.

Tell me the school you went to and the degrees you acquired or your level of exposure to the world. I did not attend any mushroom schools masquerading as university. I wonder how one gets to study in some of the world's best universities (all consistently in top 10, top 20 in World University League tables). You think all those universities you guys attend, create nothing, contribute nothing and blow outdated Victorian English as evidence of education is meaningful?
So this is it? I knew you would reply with more evasion and no answers to my questions but i wasn't expecting this utter trash. typical slowpoke who would rather argue blinded by hate for a larger ethnicity than to engage in mindful, informative discussion. look all around this forum, no single bini with a good head, you lot disappoint me


grin grin grin grin grin grin Third Bini boy to claim to study abroad. Why do you fools always play this school and exposure abroad card? You think everybody is a low life on this forum? this kind of mentality shows you are a nobody, I don't brag about my status, background and education on a faceless forum.

btw is it france or italy? how was libya? cheesy

Oh like some SW people once said about an Edo person to oyinbo people "he's only a minority, do not ask him about Nigerian history. He cannot know anything about Nigerian history". That was about a first class graduate Edo man. Jealousy of how oyinbo relied on his expertise prompted your SW people to behave that way. Of course oyinbo people easily saw how pathetic your people can be in that instance. cheesy grin
Yeah yeah personal stories to bash do not count on a faceless forum. ode grin
do tell, what knowledge of Nigerian history do you Binis on this forum appear to possess? ordinary provide evidence that Ekaledehan is oduduwa he blows a gasket


Tell me your publications in renowned international Journals like Nature. Tell me your contribution to the body of knowledge in Western/advanced societies. Then we can compare. After that I will take you seriously. Tribal megalomania has blinded you lot. We're no more in the era of Western Region (which Midwest left anyway, thanks very much). Otherwise steer clear of comparing intelligence and stick to your agbero tactics in which you excel. tongue tongue

Like I wrote in a post yesterday you lot resort to agbero tactics, swearing and insults when your pseudo-intellectualism fails and you get angry. That is why you first call someone you do not know "a raving lunatic". You lot claim to be educated but still lick the ass of the uneducated North. Pathetic.

Like a typical coward swearing behind a faceless platform is very convenient. In Edo we do not brag. In real life I will not even threaten you saying "ah ah, emi ke, ah ma pa e o" before breaking your bones if it has to be. I do not even have to swear first. Just mess up and you get the result straight. grin cheesy
Where is the evidence please? rants are unnecessary if you have evidence to support your claims...simple!

breaking bones and street fights cheesy I thought i was the agbero

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by oyatz(m): 11:40pm On Mar 07, 2018
This is quite ridiculous.
OBA is a general term for a king in Yorubaland but each town/kingdom can have a special/specific title for its king to differentiate it from other kings.

1) The holy Bible was translated into Yoruba language about 150 years ago and throughout the book, the word KING was translated as OBA,not Eleko, Alaafin, Olu or Owa-Obokun.

2) Before Oduduwa got to Ile-Ife, several kings reigned in Ile-Ife and many of them have the word 'OBA' as a prefix before their names e.g OBAtala, OBAlufon, OBAlufe etc.

3) Thousands of Yoruba people have the word 'OBA' as a prefixes to their names (including ancestral names) e.g OBAfemi Awolowo (1909-1987), OBAdare, OBAsanjo,OBAlolu or as suffixes e.g Tobil'OBA, AdeOBA etc.

4) Before Oranmiyan got to Benin (he actually named the town, Ile Ibinu which was corrupted to Bini and later to Benin by the Europeans), there was no body called OBA as the previous rulers were called Ogiso, not OBA.

5) Urhobo, Ishan and Afemai are off-shots of Benin empire with close cultural heritages, yet none of them use the word OBA for king.






http://ipnnews.info/oba-of-benin-greater-than-any-yoruba-monarch-esogban-of-benin-replies-alake-of-egbaland/

"For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egba land. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin."
Re: The Great Benin Empire by googi: 12:17am On Mar 08, 2018
These children of Ogiamen anger nor dey res, no wonder Oranmiyan call am Ile-Ibinu.

Every month, they come out with a new history trying to wear their Yoruba progenitors out. They have repeated these lies so many times since 2000, they are now believing their own lies.

Ekhalederan of Bini ko Ekhalederan of Ughoton ni!

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by SicilianMafia: 1:53am On Mar 08, 2018
See as useless Ibadan printing press ppl with no history wan die until Edo Matter grin grin grin grin grin grin

Better face your useless fraud in ile ife and leave Edo Greatness Alone!
Re: The Great Benin Empire by jara: 4:05pm On Mar 08, 2018
What a pity.

There is a civil war within Bini internet warriors. Some are denying Ogiso, others denying Ogiamen while most cling to OBA they never had until 12th century.

The fight has just begun. Let us watch.

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by Kenyanna: 6:32pm On Mar 08, 2018
Interesting
Re: The Great Benin Empire by KingSango(m): 12:05am On Mar 09, 2018
SSGN:
Despite it being overlooked for many centuries Benin is probably one of the most precious germs in all of West African history, and three facts still remain :

The Benin Empire was one of the longest lasting empires in all of West African history.

It constructed a mega structure not seen anywhere else in the world.

Its arts greatly influenced all who lay eyes on it.

Located in Southern Nigeria, the people of Benin began its dominance at about 11 A.D to 1897, one of the longest empires in all of West African history.

The Benin Empire was one of the oldest and most highly developed States in West Africa. The founders of Benin were the EDO people, and they were led by Oba Ovoramwen Nogbaisi.

Oba Ovoramwen Nogbaisi the Great turned Benin into an empire, formed political structures in the Kingdom, and greatly expanded the territory of the Kingdom, and fostered the arts and festivals into what we know it as today.

All of history recounts 201 victories by Oba Ovoramwen Nogbaisi , over the various cities and towns, creating an Empire centred in EDO, even conquering many Yoruba States and incorporating them into the Benin Empire. Most notable Lagos State. The Name "EKO" (traditional name for Lagos) stems from the Benin word Eko, which means gathering place for warriors. This shows Lagos was a military outpost for the Benin Kingdom.

Around Benin City, Oba Ovoramwen Nogbaisi built significant large walls within the cities, and clearly divided zones for different craftworks.

Archeological evidence has found that the walls built around the city, and even out into the country was significant, and constructions taking years to complete. In addition he rebuilt the palace and seperated it from the rests of the Capital city.

The architecture of the Benin Empire was very unique. Well established Portuguese travellers were lured in by the magnificence of the Benin gate and walls and architectural structures they beheld. Travellers to Benin beheld it as the GREAT BENIN.

One 17th century Dutch traveller had this to say about the City: 

The Kings palace or court is a square, and is as large as a Dutch town, and entirely surrounded by special walls that which encircled the town. It is divided into magnificent palaces, houses and apartments of the courtiers, and comprises beautiful and long square galleries, about as large as an exchange in Amsterdam, resting on wooden pillars from top to bottom, covered with Caste and Copper in which are engraved pictures of their war exploits and battles.
The Benin Empire was very organised and even had its own flag. The Edo people were mobilised by Oba Ovoramwen Nogbaisi the Great and they invested in military structures and tactics. The Edo people were so dedicated to Military prowess that they built one of the most impressive structures in all of Africa.

Great Wall of Benin

The walls of Benin were the largest man-made structure lengthwise, and was hailed as the largest artwork in the world. It's estimated that the earliest construction began in 800 and continued into the mid 15th Century. The walls of Benin city was the world's largest man-made earth structure.

A quote from Fred Pierce of the New Scientist has this to say about the walls of Benin :

They extended for some 9,900 miles in all in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlements and boundaries. They cover 2510 square miles and were all dug by the EDO people. In all they are four times longer than the Great Wall of China and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Giza.

They took an estimated 150 hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the single largest archaeological phenomenon on the planet.
Now that's a pretty impressive feat for a small empire like Benin, putting itself on the world stage architecturally.

BENIN ARTS.

One can't speak about Benin without its artistic splendour. The Art from the Benin Empire is magnificent and exemplifies the glory of West African civilization. According to oral tradition the technique of wax bronze casting was brought to Benin around the 14th Century from Ife, the ancient Yoruba Kingdom noted for its exquisite cast bronze commemorative heads.

British officials were interested in controlling trade in the area to access the empire rubber resources to support their own growing tire market. At the end of the 19th century the Kingdom of Benin had managed to retain its independence and the Great Oba Ovoramwen Nogbaisi exercised a monopoly over trade, which greatly annoyed the British. So the British wanted to annex Benin and remove the Oba.

First the British tried to make Benin sign a deceptive treaty that will make them a prirectorate, because of this the Oba bared all British officials and traders from entering Benin territories. Of course to the British this meant war.

WAR

In November James Robert Philips made a formal request to London for permission to invade Benin city. In late December 1896 without waiting for a reply or approval from London, Philip embarked on a military expedition with two Niger Coast Protectorate force officers, medical officers, two trading agents 250 African soldiers masquerading in part as potters, and in part as a drum and pipe bands.

To disguise their true intent, the forces weapons were hidden in baggges carried by the porters. His request to London was to depose the King of Benin city, replace him with a native council and pay for the invasion with the Ivory he hoped to find in the Benins Kings Palace.

In the meantime he sent a message to the Oba that his mission is to discuss trade and peace and demanding admission into the territory, in defiance of Benin law exploiting forbidding his entry. Unfortunately for Philips some Itsekiri chiefs sent a message to the Benin King that :

"The white man was bringing war"

In receiving the news the Benin King quickly summoned the city's high ranking nobles for an emergency meeting, and during the discussions, Olognoseri, the Comander in Chief of the Benin Army argued that the British were planning a surprise attack and must be defeated.

PREMPTIVE STRIKE

The Benin King however argued that the British should be allowed to enter the City so that it can be assertained whether or not the visit was a friendly one. But the Commander ignored the Oba's views and ordered the formation of a strike force that was commanded by Itsekiri chiefs a senior army commander.

This pre-emptive strike on the British and African forces was pretty much a slaughter fest, only two British officers survived the annihilation of Philips Experdition.

PUNITIVE EXPEDITION

No surprise the British had to retaliate after they suffered that humiliating defeat, and led what was called the "punitive expedition". This force was led by Harry Lawson.

On February 9 the assault began. The invasion force was composed of three collumes :

Sopoma Collume. Qwato Collume and Main collumes, with the Sopoma collumes consisting of Royal Marines and Sailors, the Qwato collume was made up of 100 Royal Marines and Sailors, and the Main colume consisted of 120 British Marines and 100 British sailors, 30 African scouts and 250 African troops drawn from the Niger Coast Protectorate Force.

The most heavily defended region of Benin was the region of Qwato. The British Royal forces met the greatest Benin defence led by Commander Ologboseri. After a bitter and bloody battle the British were forced to withdraw.

After the withdrawal the British Royal Forces tried a second time, and were again kept at bay at the outskirts of Benin city. Then ironically the African forces of the Niger Protectorate relieved the British forces and conquered the city, burning down the city and looting.

This was the end of the Benin Empire. The troops began looting the city, taking Benin artifacts and taking it back to the British museums.

The Art of Benin was so moving and majestic that its dispersal around the world forced people to reassess how they viewed Africans in general, as one cannot look at the sophistication and beauty of Benin art and justify their old adulterated and backward view of African people.

The Benin Empire was unique in that it single handedly forced people to view all West Africans differently. The Art of Benin was copied and the style was integrated into the art of Art of many Europeans artists and thus a strong influence on the early formation of modernism in Europe. The culture and magnificent arts of Benin can sometimes make historians re-evaluate and question who the real conquerers are, the ones who captured the city or the ones who captured the mind?

https://defensenigeria.com/2018/02/09/the-great-benin-empire/


250 African soldiers masquerading in part as potters

A few White men didn't destroy this great empire Niggers did. I keep trying to enlighten you all on how serious devil worshiping niggers must be taken. This is what has caused the downfall of Africa and it will continue to cause it until we begin to unite not based on race but the light. We must decisively deal with evil serving niggers or we will never have another chance at empire building.

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Re: The Great Benin Empire by Olu317(m): 12:17am On Mar 09, 2018
baralatie:

you have come o!
Oranmiyan's is not oduduwa's son?
please help me out here?

I am not going out my statement!Oduduwa spiritual leader who displaced obatala who was his rival in ife is the son of ogiso Owodo.
Have you ever wonder how easy it was for Oduduwa to push obatala to one corner and become the first oba and spiritual head
Oranmiyan was not Odudua direct descendant but he was his ancestor.
Re: The Great Benin Empire by baralatie(m): 3:52am On Mar 09, 2018
Olu317:
Oranmiyan was not Odudua direct descendant but he was his ancestor.
where did you get your own genealogy that Oranmiyan's is not Oduduwa child

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