People are confused in regards to the Second Coming of our Lord. Why? Because they don't have faith in the written word of God. Just like the three wise men trying to find the baby Jesus. The three wise men instead of following the word of God followed sign. But it is written “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting.”(Micah 5:2). Instead of following the word of God these so-called wise men followed the guidance of star. However, they were fortunate to meet the Lord just like Thomas who was fortunate to clear his doubt before believing the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Today's Christians are using false signs and miracles to follow the Lord. However, they will certainly not find Him because they can't be fortunate for the Bible is now complete. We must not follow the misguided predictions of the eschatologists. To follow the Lord we need only faith. As it is written "Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”(John 20:28)
Fellow Christians to know when the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be, we absolutely need faith in the word of God, the Bible has everything we need to know concerning this. Some even think Christ will come today or tomorrow, this is funny and pathetic! How can Christ come when the the 'original' people of the kingdom (Israel) have not believed in the Christ. We must monitor the nation of Israel closely, Bible told us when Israel regains its territories, rebuilds the Temple and sets up their usual daily sacrifice in the Temple, the end of the world will come without fail. There have been many theories by theologians like pre-tribulation rapture, mid-tribulation rapture, post-tribulation rapture and some don't even believe in the Great Tribulations at all. Worst of all, there have been many predictions and false prophesies about this, as though they are giving weather forecast! All these are the results of lack of faith in the word of God. Let's now open our Bible to know the truth. When exactly will Christ come? Christ will come when Israel cries out to God for help! Yes, you heard it well, Christ will come when Israel is in trouble and serious persecution and not only Israel but the whole world. Peace for Israel peace for the world and trouble for Israel trouble for the world. Because they have refused to believed in Jesus Christ as their long awaited Messiah, God has allowed them to be in this state until the fullness of Gentiles have believed in the Jesus. Then God will allow them to suffer serious persecution till they seek the face of this God and cry for the Messiah to come for their rescue, through the 'signs of two witnesses' God will lead them to believe in this salvation work of this Jesus Christ and be saved. Do you believe in this? Let's check whether the Bible actually says this or not. In (Romans 11:25) "For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.". So Israel will be the focus of God in the end time. Will Israel be saved when they are joyfully eating and drinking? No! Israelis are such stubborn and stiff-necked people, that only disaster will make them cry to God. Check all the events of the Old Testament for confirmation of this fact. What then does the Bible say concerning this? As it is written "Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”(Matthew 24:1-2) and He went ahead to explain in details to His disciples in verse 15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),. Now it is expedient that we turn to the book of Daniel to see this prophecy of Daniel. In (Daniel 12:11-13) “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”. Before the coming of Jesus Christ, a certain country I.e the King of the North will invade the nation of Israel and destroy it, completely burning down everything in Israel, no structure will be left unturned! As a result Israelis will suffer greatly under this tyrant leader. This leader(who is likely to be a religious figure probably of Jewish descent) will wage war against anything that has to do with Jehovah God, he is the Antichrist! Daniel chapters 11 and 12, made it clear the King of the North will do this, in today's modern world the King of the North is either Russia or European Union, in the future Russia will even merge with the break-away countries to form another USSR and thus standing as the King of the North. Once they defeat USA, the friend of Israel, they will consequently invade Israel. During the invasion as I have said, everything in Israel will be completely brought down including the Jerusalem Temple. The leader will build its own temple and command the whole world to worship him as the God. Waging great power and doing great signs and miracles he will draw many people to him and ask them to receive his mark I.e 666 in their forehead or right hand. This Antichrist will unite the world and promise to make it a better place for all. Those who follow him willingly will be destroyed when the Lord comes, then the saints of God will stand against him, they will suffer greatly under this leader and eventually be martyred (although not all will die, some surviving saints will also be changed and raptured). The saints will suffer for about 3 and half years of the 7 years of Great Tribulations. That's what prophet Daniel said, between 1290 days to 1335 days, these two numbers denote three and half years. So after the invasion of Israel, we will expect the coming of Christ after 1290 days. According to Daniel before the end of 1335 days that's 75 days after the expiration of 1290 days Christ will certainly come. So fellow Christians, only the mid-tribulation rapture is biblical. Christ has given us all signs to know about His Second Coming but the exact day and hour no one knows. During the invasion of Israel, Israelis will cry to God and God will send two olive trees aka two lampstands to make Israel believe in Jesus Christ through great miracles and signs. And apostle Paul also said this in (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4) "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.". Dear fellow Christians, the Day of the Lord will not come until the Antichrist is revealed. Before the Antichrist is revealed Bible has prophesied about falling away and fake signs and miracles. We are already in the era now, many false prophets have arisen performing fake miracles and signs. As it is written "The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved."(2 Thessalonians 2:9-10). That is it! The Lord continued “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.(Matthew 24:32). What does Jesus mean by this? He is telling us that when Israel becomes strong and powerful, we have to know the end time is near the corner. The fig tree here is Israel. As we know, Israel has become a powerful nation. It has been regaining its territory from their neighbouring countries since 1946, about 2000 years after being destroyed in A.D 70. This is surely a miracle! From nowhere, Israel retook their statehood! In a nutshell, Israel will be the determinant factor of end time, and they are supposed to receive Jesus as their Saviour during the Seven Year Tribulations. In the future, Israel will become a stumbling block and an obstacle to world peace, and for this it will garner the enmity of many nations, maybe one day UN will make a resolution "Let us destroy this useless nation called Israel so that peace will reign in Middle East and the world at large". The possibility of such thing happening is not farfetched, as a result some of the Israelites will come to realize that the Messiah whom they waited for long is indeed Jesus. After the salvation of some selected Israelites Christ will come. That is, rapture will occur in the middle of the Seven Year Tribulation. As it written "but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets."(Revelation 10:7) When will "the mystery of God" be finished? It is in the days of sounding of the seventh angel! That is in the 3 and half years of the Great Tribulation. Now is the time for everyone to know and believe in the gospel of water and the Spirit so as to be saved from the sins, we are running out of time. For only the believers in this powerful gospel of the water and the Spirit will not side with Antichrist, the choice is yours! Learn about this beautiful gospel of water and the Spirit today by downloading this book for absolutely FREE of charge. Click on the link below to download instantly.
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Buhari is the king in the north

No one knows the time..... we are only permitted to know the signs... which is exactly what we are in

All these long talk is unnecessary. Just be saved, be ready like the 5wise virgins, then wait. If death meets you waiting, good, you translate. But if rapture meets you waiting, better, you get caught up. Whatever happens, asin, if you miss rapture, by all means accept death, but don't accept the Mark.

bedspread:
No one knows the time..... we are only permitted to know the signs... which is exactly what we are in

Of course we don't know the day and hour, but we however must know the signs. I just gave one of the signs: the destruction of the nation of Israel. That's the most outstanding sign everyone must know. We have seen wars, earthquakes and disaster, they are all signs as well.

live4dgospel:

Of course we don't know the day and hour, but we however must know the signs. I just gave one of the signs: the destruction of the nation of Israel. That's the most outstanding sign everyone must know. We have seen wars, earthquakes and disaster, they are all signs as well.

how is Isreal Destroyed sir?

bedspread:
how is Isreal Destroyed sir?

Please read the topic again, I have written it already.

The rapture is a man made heresy to distract christian from expanding the kingdom of God in the earth.

If Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were constantly monitoring Israel to prepare for the rapture, we wouldn't have had ipads and android phones today.
Instead of preaching us about industry and technology and healthcare and scientific breakthroughs, you are wasting our precious time talking about some half baked theological non sense.

Africans, let's put our thinking caps on. We have suspended our brains way too long with these nonsensical subjects about end times and crap. It's time to bring the kingdom of God to our brains.

eddy1977:
If Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were constantly monitoring Israel to prepare for the rapture, we wouldn't have had ipads and android phones today.
Instead of preaching us about industry and technology and healthcare and scientific breakthroughs, you are wasting our precious time talking about some half baked theological non sense.

Africans, let's put our thinking caps on. We have suspended our brains way too long with these nonsensical subjects about end times and crap. It's time to bring the kingdom of God to our brains.

I think Seun was wise to divide Nairaland into sections. Kindly go to Science/Technology and other related sections to get your required information.

live4dgospel:

I think Seun was wise to divide Nairaland into sections. Kindly go to Science/Technology and other related sections to get your required information.

Did I say something wrong?
Science and technology are gifts from God.

eddy1977:

Did I say something wrong? Science and technology are gifts from God.

I was just advising you

Emmanystone:
All these long talk is unnecessary. Just be saved, be ready like the 5wise virgins, then wait. If death meets you waiting, good, you translate. But if rapture meets you waiting, better, you get caught up. Whatever happens, asin, if you miss rapture, by all means accept death, but don't accept the Mark.

What do you mean if you miss rapture don't accept the mark of the beast? There is only one rapture for saints, anyone who does not partake in the first resurrection will not enter the Millennial Kingdom and the New Heaven and Earth, but will surely be resurrected in the second resurrection only to eternal damnation in hell.

Chai! Na who do una dis strong thing?

live4dgospel:

What do you mean if you miss rapture don't accept the mark of the beast? There is only one rapture for saints, anyone who does not partake in the first resurrection will not enter the Millennial Kingdom and the New Heaven and Earth, but will surely be resurrected in the second resurrection only to eternal damnation in hell.

Pls expand on the bolded.

Shalom

Emmanystone:


Pls expand on the bolded.

Shalom

As it is written "But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."(Revelation 20:5-6)
Is it clear to you now? Satan has deceived many people with wrong doctrines of theologians claiming that after rapture the remaining people can save themselves by their blood of their martyrdom! This is a deception of the Devil, giving people false hope. There is only one resurrection for saints and one rapture for saints. I have this book about an exegesis on the book of Revelation. Click on the link below to download it. This is the second volume on Revelation, if you need the first volume I will still send you the link.
https://drive.google.com/uc?authuser=0&id=0B8wCbx7jt6ZJZVFLOExwNEVQckk&export=download

live4dgospel:

As it is written "But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."(Revelation 20:5-6)
Is it clear to you now? Satan has deceived many people with wrong doctrines of theologians claiming that after rapture the remaining people can save themselves by their blood of their martyrdom! This is a deception of the Devil, giving people false hope. There is only one resurrection for saints and one rapture for saints. I have this book about an exegesis on the book of Revelation. Click on the link below to download it. This is the second volume on Revelation, if you need the first volume I will still send you the link.
https://drive.google.com/uc?authuser=0&id=0B8wCbx7jt6ZJZVFLOExwNEVQckk&export=download

Okay thanks. I will download it. I'll like to have a discussion on this.
@Your bolded, do you mean every one will die before Rapture takes place?

2. What happens to the careless Christians who will miss Rapture? Will they be killed?

3. After the 7yrs reign of the Antichrist, the Master will return for the Millennial reign, who He be reigning over?
Only the Rapture Souls He caught up with or together with everyone else on earth?

4. Is it this earth that He will reign over or another?

5. Will those who had received the Mark of the Beast during the Antichrist's reign be part of the Mellenial reign of Christ or not? If not, where will they be? Owing to the fact that, only the Beast be will cast into the bottomless pit for the 1000 yrs that the Master will reign

6. Do you know that after Rapture many will come to believe that indeed Jesus is Lord and be saved?



Edited 'We are in the thread already'.

eddy1977:
If Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were constantly monitoring Israel to prepare for the rapture, we wouldn't have had ipads and android phones today.
Instead of preaching us about industry and technology and healthcare and scientific breakthroughs, you are wasting our precious time talking about some half baked theological non sense.

Africans, let's put our thinking caps on. We have suspended our brains way too long with these nonsensical subjects about end times and crap. It's time to bring the kingdom of God to our brains.

Shey your thinking cap dey on now abi? Shey you no suspend your brain abi?

Now, tell me weytin you don do for your Continent Africa and your country Nigeria, like Steve and Bill do for their people? Abeg i dey interested. No be only to point fingers at achievers, people you don't know how they got to where they got to.

You hate God, you don't believe in him, to you believing in Him keeps you backward, so you stopped, now that you have stopped, present your achievements.

What have you done to improve the lives of Africans with your unbelief of God?

live4dgospel:

Of course we don't know the day and hour, but we however must know the signs. I just gave one of the signs: the destruction of the nation of Israel. That's the most outstanding sign everyone must know. We have seen wars, earthquakes and disaster, they are all signs as well.

Is it the destruction of the Nation of Israel or the gathering back of the Nation of Israel from the Exile Nations as One Nation again?

Pls what is the meaning of the parable of the Fig Tree?

Emmanystone:

Okay thanks. I will download it. I'll like to have a discussion on this.
@Your bolded, do you mean every one will die before Rapture takes place?

2. What happens to the careless Christians who will miss Rapture? Will they be killed?

3. After the 7yrs reign of the Antichrist, the Master will return for the Millennial reign, who He be reigning over?
Only the Rapture Souls He caught up with or together with everyone else on earth?

4. Is it this earth that He will reign over or another?

5. Will those who had received the Mark of the Beast during the Antichrist's reign be part of the Mellenial reign of Christ or not? If not, where will they be? Owing to the fact that, only the Beast be will cast into the bottomless pit for the 1000 yrs that the Master will reign

6. Do you know that after Rapture many will come to believe that indeed Jesus is Lord and be saved?



Edited 'We are in the thread already'.

All questions you raised here are addressed in the book. So to save us time I advise you to read it. But let me summarize it. Rapture is for the saints only, it will occur in the middle of the 7yrs of Great Tribulation. Not all saints will die before rapture some surviving saints will also be changed and raptured as well. All the remaining people on earth are sinners. Remember the resurrection and rapture are the same events, I mean the dead will be resurrected first and raptured and surviving saints (saints who are still suffering under the government of the anti-Christ) will also be changed and raptured as well. Then anti-Christ and his followers will remain on earth to suffer the wrath of the 7th trumpet of the seventh angel. Anyone who does not take part in the rapture will surely be judged as a sinner and send to hell. There is nothing like careless Christians. And after rapture and pouring of the bowl of the 7th angel, God will bind Devil for 1000 years in bottomless pit and establish "the Kingdom of Christ" on this earth. Christ will take down the saints to reign with Him in this Kingdom of Christ for a thousand years. You ask will sinners remain on earth in this Kingdom of Christ? The answer is Yes. They will serve us in that Kingdom of Christ(i. e in the millennial kingdom ) As it is written Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea."(Revelation 20:7-
So the Bible says after Satan is released he will gather multitude of people whose number is as sand of the sea! So from the fact that they join Satan to fight Christ and His saints means they are sinners who will receive the same judgement as Satan.

.Remember the resurrection and rapture are the same events, I mean the dead will be resurrected first and raptured and surviving saints (saints who are still suffering under the government of the anti-Christ) will also be changed and raptured as well. Then anti-Christ and his followers will remain on earth to suffer the wrath of the 7th trumpet of the seventh angel. Anyone who does not take part in the rapture will surely be judged as a sinner and send to hell. There is nothing like careless Christians. And after rapture and pouring of the bowl of the 7th angel, God will bind Devil for 1000 years in bottomless pit and establish "the Kingdom of Christ" on this earth. Christ will take down the saints to reign with Him in this Kingdom of Christ for a thousand years. You ask will sinners remain on earth in this Kingdom of Christ? The answer is Yes. They will serve us in that Kingdom of Christ(i. e in the millennial kingdom ) As it is written Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea."(Revelation 20:7-
So the Bible says after Satan is released he will gather multitude of people whose number is as sand of the sea! So from the fact that they join Satan to fight Christ and His saints means they are sinners who will receive the same judgement as Satan.[/quote]

live4dgospel:

All questions you raised here are addressed in the book. So to save us time I advise you to read it. But let me summarize it

It's good you agree to summarise it, because not everyone here will have the MB to download the book and not everyone can have the time to read it. So summarising it will help.

This will be too long so i will break up my responses.

live4dgospel:

Rapture is for the saints only, it will occur in the middle of the 7yrs of Great Tribulation. Not all saints will die before rapture some surviving saints will also be changed and raptured as well. All the remaining people on earth are sinners.

@the bolded, this means the AntiChrist will reign over the saints for 3 and half years? because if Rapture will happen in the midst of the 7yrs Tribulation period, that means the Antichrist will reign over the saints for 3 and half yrs. The Great Tribulation means the hardship that will befall those who will be left behind and be forced to do as thw Antichrist commands. And, those who will be here to witness God's angry and fury against those who hate Him

But, 2Thesselonians 2:9 says...
Do not let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until the final Rebellion takes place and the Wicked One appears, who is destined to hell

He will oppose every so-called god or object of worship and will put himself above them all. He will even go in and sit down in God's Temple and claim to be God.

Yet there is something that keeps this from happening now, and you know what it is. At the proper time, then, the Wicked One will appear.

The Mysterious Wickedness is already at work, but what is going to happen will not happen until the one who holds it back is taken out of the way.

Then the Wicked One will be revealed, but when the Lord Jesus comes, he will kill him with the breath from his mouth and destroy him with his dazzling presence.

The Wicked One will come with the power of Satan and perform all kinds of false miracles and wonders,...

Pls mark the bolded. The Antichrist ia the one talked about here and he can not be revealed in Person until What is hindering him is taken away, for, as long as what is hindering him is still on earth, he can not be revealed in person.

The question now is, who or what is hindering his appearing? THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO IS THE HEAD OFTHE CHURCH.
The Holy Spirit can not go away leaving the Church (the bride of Christ) behind.

Since the departure of the Holy Spirit from the earth opens a door for the Antichrist to appear, how then will the rapture take place in the midst of The Great Tribulation? You have just said, the Holy Spirit will leave the Saints behind.

Emmanystone:

.Remember the resurrection and rapture are the same events, I mean the dead will be resurrected first and raptured and surviving saints (saints who are still suffering under the government of the anti-Christ) will also be changed and raptured as well. Then anti-Christ and his followers will remain on earth to suffer the wrath of the 7th trumpet of the seventh angel. Anyone who does not take part in the rapture will surely be judged as a sinner and send to hell. There is nothing like careless Christians. And after rapture and pouring of the bowl of the 7th angel, God will bind Devil for 1000 years in bottomless pit and establish "the Kingdom of Christ" on this earth. Christ will take down the saints to reign with Him in this Kingdom of Christ for a thousand years. You ask will sinners remain on earth in this Kingdom of Christ? The answer is Yes. They will serve us in that Kingdom of Christ(i. e in the millennial kingdom ) As it is written Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea."(Revelation 20:7-
So the Bible says after Satan is released he will gather multitude of people whose number is as sand of the sea! So from the fact that they join Satan to fight Christ and His saints means they are sinners who will receive the same judgement as Satan.

All questions you raised here are addressed in the book. So to save us time I advise you to read it. But let me summarize it
It's good you agree to summarise it, because not everyone here will have the MB to download the book and not everyone can have the time to read it. So summarising it will help.

This will be too long so i will break up my responses.

Rapture is for the saints only, it will occur in the middle of the 7yrs of Great Tribulation. Not all saints will die before rapture some surviving saints will also be changed and raptured as well. All the remaining people on earth are sinners.
@the bolded, this means the AntiChrist will reign over the saints for 3 and half years? because if Rapture will happen in the midst of the 7yrs Tribulation period, that means the Antichrist will reign over the saints for 3 and half yrs. The Great Tribulation means the hardship that will befall those who will be left behind and be forced to do as thw Antichrist commands. And, those who will be here to witness God's angry and fury against those who hate Him

But, 2Thesselonians 2:9 says...
Do not let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until the final Rebellion takes place and the Wicked One appears, who is destined to hell

He will oppose every so-called god or object of worship and will put himself above them all. He will even go in and sit down in God's Temple and claim to be God.

Yet there is something that keeps this from happening now, and you know what it is. At the proper time, then, the Wicked One will appear.

The Mysterious Wickedness is already at work, but what is going to happen will not happen until the one who holds it back is taken out of the way.

Then the Wicked One will be revealed, but when the Lord Jesus comes, he will kill him with the breath from his mouth and destroy him with his dazzling presence.

The Wicked One will come with the power of Satan and perform all kinds of false miracles and wonders,...

Pls mark the bolded. The Antichrist ia the one talked about here and he can not be revealed in Person until What is hindering him is taken away, for, as long as what is hindering him is still on earth, he can not be revealed in person.

The question now is, who or what is hindering his appearing? THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO IS THE HEAD OFTHE CHURCH.
The Holy Spirit can not go away leaving the Church (the bride of Christ) behind.

Since the departure of the Holy Spirit from the earth opens a door for the Antichrist to appear, how then will the rapture take place in the midst of The Great Tribulation? You have just said, the Holy Spirit will leave the Saints behind.

This is a misguided faith. Holy Spirit only dwells in the hearts of saints, what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2 is not what you interpreted. Paul said the anit-Christ will be withheld by God until fullness of gentiles come into salvation. Then he will be revealed to persecute saints and Israelites. Saints will be alive to witness it, they will suffer and be martyred in due time. Yes! Anti-Christ will rule over the saints for 3 and half years, this is the will of God for the saints to defend their faith with their martyrdom. As it is written "And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."(Revelation 7:14)
These are the saints martyred for their faith. Again Paul said "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first."(1 Thessalonians 4:16). This is when rapture will occur, when the seventh angel is about to sound the seventh trumpet, this the same thing written in the book of Revelation (Revelation 10:7) but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.". Didn't the book of Revelation say that when the 7th angel is about to sound his trumpet the "mystery of God would be finished"? That's it. It is when the seventh trumpet is about to sound that rapture will occur. Again hear what Christ Himself also says "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."(Matthew 24:29-31). When does Christ say rapture will occur? It is after the Great Tribulation, read the Matthew 24. Christ made it clear that saints will be delivered to tribulation because of their faith in the gospel of Christ. Then after the Tribulation rapture will take place. There is no place in the entire book of Bible where it says there will be two raptures for saints or two resurrections for saints (only in Revelation 11:11-12 where God brings back to life the 2 witnesses whom God sent to help deliver Israel by working great miracles and preaching of the gospel of water and the Spirit, we are preaching now). The book of Revelation says anyone who does not partake in the first resurrection of the saints will only partake in the second resurrection of the sinners only to be judged in hell. " Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."(Revelation 20:6) If there is any portions of the Bible that say otherwise refer me to them!

live4dgospel:

This is a misguided faith. Holy Spirit only dwells in the hearts of saints, what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2 is not what you interpreted. Paul said the anit-Christ will be withheld by God until fullness of gentiles come into salvation. Then he will be revealed to persecute saints and Israelites. Saints will be alive to witness it, they will suffer and be martyred in due time. Yes! Anti-Christ will rule over the saints for 3 and half years, this is the will of God for the saints to defend their faith with their martyrdom. As it is written "And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."(Revelation 7:14)
These are the saints martyred for their faith. Again Paul said "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first."(1 Thessalonians 4:16). This is when rapture will occur, when the seventh angel is about to sound the seventh trumpet, this the same thing written in the book of Revelation (Revelation 10:7) but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.". Didn't the book of Revelation say that when the 7th angel is about to sound his trumpet the "mystery of God would be finished"? That's it. It is when the seventh trumpet is about to sound that rapture will occur. Again hear what Christ Himself also says "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."(Matthew 24:29-31). When does Christ say rapture will occur? It is after the Great Tribulation, read the Matthew 24. Christ made it clear that saints will be delivered to tribulation because of their faith in the gospel of Christ. Then after the Tribulation rapture will take place. There is no place in the entire book of Bible where it says there will be two raptures for saints or two resurrections for saints. The book of Revelation says anyone who does not partake in the first resurrection of the saints will only partake in the second resurrection of the sinners only to be judged in hell. If there is any portions of the Bible that say otherwise refer me!

Pls try breaking your posts in paragraphs. It's making reading cumbersome.

I don't even know how to star responding to your post right now.

Well, i have to leave it at that i can't punish myself trying to break this up. Am using a phone and my Fonts are tiny.

Emmanystone:

Pls try breaking your posts in paragraphs. It's making reading cumbersome.

I don't even know how to star responding to your post right now.

Well, i have to leave it at that i can't punish myself trying to break this up. Am using a phone and my Fonts are tiny.

You just need to read and grab my points. what's the need of paragraphing? When you read and grab my message you then respond, I don't think there is any problem about that. I'm also using a mobile phone.

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live4dgospel:
People are confused in regards to the Second Coming of our Lord. Why? Because they don't have faith in the written word of God. Just like the three wise men trying to find the baby Jesus. The three wise men instead of following the word of God followed sign. But it is written “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting.”(Micah 5:2). Instead of following the word of God these so-called wise men followed the guidance of star. However, they were fortunate to meet the Lord just like Thomas who was fortunate to clear his doubt before believing the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Today's Christians are using false signs and miracles to follow the Lord. However, they will certainly not find Him because they can't be fortunate for the Bible is now complete. We must not follow the misguided predictions of the eschatologists. To follow the Lord we need only faith. As it is written "Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”(John 20:28)
Fellow Christians to know when the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be, we absolutely need faith in the word of God, the Bible has everything we need to know concerning this. Some even think Christ will come today or tomorrow, this is funny and pathetic! How can Christ come when the the 'original' people of the kingdom (Israel) have not believed in the Christ. We must monitor the nation of Israel closely, Bible told us when Israel regain its territories, rebuild the Temple and set up their usual daily sacrifice in the Temple, the end of the world will come without fail. There have been many theories by theologians like pre-tribulation rapture, mid-tribulation rapture, post-tribulation rapture and some don't even believe in the Great Tribulations at all. Worst of all, there have been many predictions and false prophesies about this, as though they are giving weather forecast! All these are the results of lack of faith in the word of God. Let's now open our Bible to know the truth. When exactly will Christ come? Christ will come when Israel cries out to God for help! Yes, you heard it well, Christ will come when Israel is in trouble and serious persecution and not only Israel but the whole world. Peace for Israel peace for the world and trouble for Israel trouble for the world. Because they have refused to believed in Jesus Christ as their long awaited Messiah, God has allowed them to be in this state until the fullness of Gentiles have believed in the Jesus. Then God will allow them to suffer serious persecution till they seek the face of this God and cry for the Messiah to come for their rescue, through the 'signs of two witnesses' God will lead them to believe in this salvation work of this Jesus Christ and be saved. Do you believe in this? Let's check whether the Bible actually says this or not. In (Romans 11:25) "For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.". So Israel will be the focus of God in the end time. Will Israel be saved when they are joyfully eating and drinking? No! Israelis are such stubborn and stiff-necked people, that only disaster will make them cry to God. Check all the events of the Old Testament for confirmation of this fact. What then does the Bible say concerning this? As it is written "Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”(Matthew 24:1-2) and He went ahead to explain in details to His disciples in verse 15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),. Now it is expedient that we turn to the book of Daniel to see this prophecy of Daniel. In (Daniel 12:11-13) “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”. Before the coming of Jesus Christ, a certain country I.e the King of the North will invade the nation of Israel and destroy it, completely burning down everything in Israel, no structure will be left unturned! As a result Israelis will suffer greatly under this tyrant leader. This leader(who is likely to be a religious figure probably of Jewish descent) will wage war against anything that has to do with Jehovah God, he is the Antichrist! Daniel chapters 11 and 12, made it clear the King of the North will do this, in today's modern world the King of the North is either Russia or European Union, in the future Russia will even merge with the break-away countries to form another USSR and thus standing as the King of the North. Once they defeat USA, the friend of Israel, they will consequently invade Israel. During the invasion as I have said, everything in Israel will be completely brought down including the Jerusalem Temple. The leader will build its own temple and command the whole world to worship him as the God. Waging great power and doing great signs and miracles he will draw many people to him and ask them to receive his mark I.e 666 in their forehead or right hand. This Antichrist will unite the world and promise to make it a better place for all. Those who follow him willingly will be destroyed when the Lord comes, then the saints of God will stand against him, they will suffer greatly under this leader and eventually be martyred (although not all will die, some surviving saints will also be changed and raptured). The saints will suffer for about 3 and half years of the 7 years of Great Tribulations. That's what prophet Daniel said, between 1290 days to 1335 days, these two numbers denote three and half years. So after the invasion of Israel, we will expect the coming of Christ after 1290 days. According to Daniel before the end of 1335 days that's 75 days after the expiration of 1290 days Christ will certainly come. So fellow Christians, only the mid-tribulation rapture is biblical. Christ has given us all signs to know about His Second Coming but the exact day and hour no one knows. During the invasion of Israel, Israelis will cry to God and God will send two olive trees aka two lampstands to make Israel believe in Jesus Christ through great miracles and signs. And apostle Paul also said this in (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4) "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.". Dear fellow Christians, the Day of the Lord will not come until the Antichrist is revealed. Before the Antichrist is revealed Bible has prophesied about falling away and fake signs and miracles. We are already in the era now, many false prophets have arisen performing fake miracles and signs. As it is written "The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved."(2 Thessalonians 2:9-10). That is it! The Lord continued “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.(Matthew 24:32). What does Jesus mean by this? He is telling us that when Israel becomes strong and powerful, we have to know the end time is near the corner. The fig tree here is Israel. As we know, Israel has become a powerful nation. It has been regaining its territory from their neighbouring countries since 1946, about 2000 years after being destroyed in A.D 70. This is surely a miracle! From nowhere, Israel retook their statehood! In a nutshell, Israel will be the determinant factor of end time, and they are supposed to receive Jesus as their Saviour during the Seven Year Tribulations. In the future, Israel will become a stumbling block and an obstacle to world peace, and for this it will garner the enmity of many nations, maybe one day UN will make a resolution "Let us destroy this useless nation called Israel so that peace will reign in Middle East and the world at large". The possibility of such thing happening is not farfetched, as a result some of the Israelites will come to realize that the Messiah whom they waited for long is indeed Jesus. After the salvation of some selected Israelites Christ will come. That is, rapture will occur in the middle of the Seven Year Tribulation. As it written "but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets."(Revelation 10:7) When will "the mystery of God" be finished? It is in the days of sounding of the seventh angel! That is in the 3 and half years of the Great Tribulation. Now is the time for everyone to know and believe in the gospel of water and the Spirit so as to be saved from the sins, we are running out of time. For only the believers in this powerful gospel of the water and the Spirit will not side with Antichrist, the choice is yours! Learn about this beautiful gospel of water and the Spirit today by downloading this book for absolutely FREE of charge. Click on the link below to download instantly.
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wow.. I'm amazed!!!
I don't even know where to quote again, as there are so many areas to quote.
but I'll start somewhere.

You said somewhere that the king of the North might be Russia, European Union or the USSR( if formed again) and they will overpower the USA?.... let me cut in here, to suggest such is to suggest a Third World War which most likely will mark the end of most humans or the entire human specie, or worst yet the entire planet. The Third World War will be a total nuclear war and the arsenal that the USA and RUSSIA alone possess is enough to destroy all life on our planet more than 10 times over, so unless the take over will be diplomatic, it can never happen.

Assuming it happens, u mentioned that Israel will be the next target and the temple will be destroyed?.... let me cut in again. the temple has long being destroyed and in its place now sits a mosque in Jerusalem.... therefore the mosques as to be destroyed and the temple rebuilt which is off no use. why?..... to simplify the answer in 70CE when the temple was destroyed, the documents containing the various tribes of Israel was along destroyed as such no Israeli today know his or her tribe. And under the mosaic law only the tribe of Levi can serve as priest in the temple, and since they don't know their tribe that was why the temple was never rebuilt so as not to offer illegitimate smoke offerings to God.

now let's assume that somehow they where able to get priests to serve in the temple and animals sacrifices are offered, do u know the implications of this?
1. Animal sacrifices invalidates the death of the Messiah. the Bible calls the Messiah "the lamb of God", cause as a figurative lamb he was killed once and for all to redeem us from sin.
2. the priest invalidates one of the job of Christ who is to serve as our "HIGH PRIEST" to God, and an mediator between God and man.
3. this will also automatically invalidate the new covenant (new testament/ Christianity ) while it will promote the old covenant (Old Testament / Judaism)
4. this will also further alienate them from the Messiah, cause until they realize that the temple along with the practices of Judaism has failed in the sight of God leading to the institution of a new way which is Christianity with its champion being the messiah/christ.

I can't remember all the points above but feel free to drop them here, so I can point them out.

In summary, this way u outlined above is not the way the world will experience the second coming of God. u tried but u had many short comings, I can show u

veeklin:



wow.. I'm amazed!!!
I don't even know where to quote again, as there are so many areas to quote.
but I'll start somewhere.

You said somewhere that the king of the North might be Russia, European Union or the USSR( if formed again) and they will overpower the USA?.... let me cut in here, to suggest such is to suggest a Third World War which most likely will mark the end of most humans or the entire human specie, or worst yet the entire planet. The Third World War will be a total nuclear war and the arsenal that the USA and RUSSIA alone possess is enough to destroy all life on our planet more than 10 times over, so unless the take over will be diplomatic, it can never happen.

Assuming it happens, u mentioned that Israel will be the next target and the temple will be destroyed?.... let me cut in again. the temple has long being destroyed and in its place now sits a mosque in Jerusalem.... therefore the mosques as to be destroyed and the temple rebuilt which is off no use. why?..... to simplify the answer in 70CE when the temple was destroyed, the documents containing the various tribes of Israel was along destroyed as such no Israeli today know his or her tribe. And under the mosaic law only the tribe of Levi can serve as priest in the temple, and since they don't know their tribe that was why the temple was never rebuilt so as not to offer illegitimate smoke offerings to God.

now let's assume that somehow they where able to get priests to serve in the temple and animals sacrifices are offered, do u know the implications of this?
1. Animal sacrifices invalidates the death of the Messiah. the Bible calls the Messiah "the lamb of God", cause as a figurative lamb he was killed once and for all to redeem us from sin.
2. the priest invalidates one of the job of Christ who is to serve as our "HIGH PRIEST" to God, and an mediator between God and man.
3. this will also automatically invalidate the new covenant (new testament/ Christianity ) while it will promote the old covenant (Old Testament / Judaism)
4. this will also further alienate them from the Messiah, cause until they realize that the temple along with the practices of Judaism has failed in the sight of God leading to the institution of a new way which is Christianity with its champion being the messiah/christ.

I can't remember all the points above but feel free to drop them here, so I can point them out.

In summary, this way u outlined above is not the way the world will experience the second coming of God. u tried but u had many short comings, I can show u

I hope you will read the text over again to understand. Daily temple sacrifice cannot save Israel at all. The Scripture says that Israel will rebuild the temple and offer daily sacrifice once again. I have made it clear already, the temple was destroyed in AD 70. But that's not the one prophesized by Daniel because according to (Daniel 12:11-12), there will be 1260 to 1335 days for the blessing of God to pour on His saints(rapture). But now it's been about 1948 years since the destruction of Israel in AD 70 (2018-70 = 1948). As it stands today Jerusalem is still a shared territory between Israel and Palestine. However, we must believe the word God as the truth. According to the word of God, Israel will still drive away their enemies and rebuild the Jerusalem temple and blindly start the daily sacrifice once again. After that the King of the North will invade them and destroy every long standing statutes in Israel. All these will happen before our very eyes .

live4dgospel:

I hope you will read the text over again to understand. Daily temple sacrifice cannot save Israel at all. The Scripture says that Israel will rebuild the temple and offer daily sacrifice once again. I have made it clear already, the temple was destroyed in AD 70. But that's not the one prophesized by Daniel because according to (Daniel 12:11-12), there will be 1260 to 1335 days for the blessing of God to pour on His saints(rapture). But now it's been about 1948 years since the destruction of Israel in AD 70 (2018-70 = 1948). As it stands today Jerusalem is still a shared territory between Israel and Palestine. However, we must believe the word God as the truth. According to the word of God, Israel will still drive away their enemies and rebuild the Jerusalem temple and blindly start the daily sacrifice once again. After that the King of the North will invade them and destroy every long standing statutes in Israel. All these will happen before our very eyes .

Do u know that the book of Daniel and Revelations have so many prophecies that are similar and which relate to the END?
(understanding their relationship will help u understand the End properly)

do you know that both Daniel and John did not know much of what they wrote down because God told them the information was sealed for the appointed time or right time by God to be revealed ?
(this was because what both men wrote were figurative (abstract) and not literal.)

if they were to have literal meanings then the writers would have guessed about 80% of the answer but becomes they were in signs and symbols they needed God to interpret or reveal the prophecies to them and God refused saying the time wasnt right and the secret wasn't for them to understand. This is exactly the mistake you have been making and that is why I mentioned the above impossiblities. An example of this is when Jesus said if they tear down this TEMPLE, he will BUILD it up in 3 days!

many took it literally and even his disciples had to ask him for clarification but he meant his BODY.
on another occasion Jesus revealed to then that things concerning the kingdom (which has to do with his second coming) have been carefully concealed, so that although people hear or read they do not understand, unless he chooses to reveal this sacred secrets.

clue: stop thinking those prophecies have any resemblance to their literal name sakes. (Temple in Jesus case was Body)...i like your zeal, continue u still have a lot to learn

veeklin:


Do u know that the book of Daniel and Revelations have so many prophecies that are similar and which relate to the END?
(understanding their relationship will help u understand the End properly)

do you know that both Daniel and John did not know much of what they wrote down because God told them the information was sealed for the appointed time or right time by God to be revealed ?
(this was because what both men wrote were figurative (abstract) and not literal.)

if they were to have literal meanings then the writers would have guessed about 80% of the answer but becomes they were in signs and symbols they needed God to interpret or reveal the prophecies to them and God refused saying the time wasnt right and the secret wasn't for them to understand. This is exactly the mistake you have been making and that is why I mentioned the above impossiblities. An example of this is when Jesus said if they tear down this TEMPLE, he will BUILD it up in 3 days!

many took it literally and even his disciples had to ask him for clarification but he meant his BODY.
on another occasion Jesus revealed to then that things concerning the kingdom (which has to do with his second coming) have been carefully concealed, so that although people hear or read they do not understand, unless he chooses to reveal this sacred secrets.

clue: stop thinking those prophecies have any resemblance to their literal name sakes. (Temple in Jesus case was Body)...i like your zeal, continue u still have a lot to learn

Pause and wait, for the events will unfold in due time before your eyes. Just as Noah warned his generation about the impending disaster for more than 50 years, we are now telling the whole world what will happen in the future through the written word of God. As it is written, "
"Let him who has ear hear what the Spirit says to the church"