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Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by BishopMagic: 9:31am On Apr 02, 2018
The Sultan tells you when to begin your Ramadan fast and when to end it.

The same Sultan is the permanent Head of the Nigerian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, the highest Islamic body in Nigeria which so happens to be recognized by the useless 1999 Constitution and fully funded through public resources . The Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs is the only body to regulate Islamic doctrine and also issue fatwas at will. And the supreme head is the Sultan of Sokoto.

Now compare with your Christian brethren, who Yorubanized Christianity to form denominations like the Celestial Church of Christ and other white garment Afro-spiritual churches, why are Yoruba Muslims so slavish to Sokoto?

To even add insult to injury, the first Yoruba Emir formerly Oba of Iwo appointed a Hausa Islamic cleric as his Waziri (Prime Minister) who is expected to guide the new Emir on how to administer and govern under Sharia law. Is it that Emir Akanbi did not see the likes of Ishaq Akintola - a Professor of Islamic Studies- to appoint as his Waziri?

Malctunji can you explain on behalf of your fellow Oyoruba Muslims why you feel so inferior to Sokoto?

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Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Afonjas: 9:41am On Apr 02, 2018
Yoruba Muslims are the real slaves, they can't sight the moon by themselves before Salah

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Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:30am On Apr 03, 2018
BishopMagic:
The Sultan tells you when to begin your Ramadan fast and when to end it.

The same Sultan is the permanent Head of the Nigerian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, the highest Islamic body in Nigeria which so happens to be recognized by the useless 1999 Constitution and fully funded through public resources . The Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs is the only body to regulate Islamic doctrine and also issue fatwas at will. And the supreme head is the Sultan of Sokoto.

Now compare with your Christian brethren, who Yorubanized Christianity to form denominations like the Celestial Church of Christ and other white garment Afro-spiritual churches, why are Yoruba Muslims so slavish to Sokoto?

To even add insult to injury, the first Yoruba Emir formerly Oba of Iwo appointed a Hausa Islamic cleric as his Waziri (Prime Minister) who is expected to guide the new Emir on how to administer and govern under Sharia law. Is it that Emir Akanbi did not see the likes of Ishaq Akintola - a Professor of Islamic Studies- to appoint as his Waziri?

Malctunji can you explain on behalf of your fellow Oyoruba Muslims why you feel so inferior to Sokoto?

I think this is foolish.

In Islamic jurisprudence there is no superiority as such!

Islam does not pay attention to differences in colour, race or lineage. All people are descended from Adam, and Adam was created from dust. Rather according to Islam, superiority of some people over others is measured by faith and taqwa (piety, mindfulness of Allah), doing what Allah has enjoined and refraining from what Allah has forbidden.

At-Tirmidhi (3270) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) addressed the people on the day of the conquest of Makkah and said: “O people, verily Allah has taken away from you the arrogance of Jaahiliyyah and its pride in forefathers. People are of two types: righteous and pious, who are dear to Allah, and doomed evildoers, who are insignificant before Allah. People are the descendants of Adam, and Allah created Adam from dust. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted’ [al-Hujuraat 49:13].”

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh at-Tirmidhi.

Ahmad (22978) narrated from Abu Nadrah: Someone who heard the khutbah of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on the second of the days of at-Tashreeq told me that he said: “O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?” They said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) has conveyed the message.

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah (6/199).

And these ignoramuses would be the first to say "our fasts are not united" but when we align under the Sultan to bring uniformity and sanity to the lunar calendar, they start complaining! Why not mind your religion if you have one?

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Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:31am On Apr 03, 2018
Afonjas:
Yoruba Muslims are the real slaves, they can't sight the moon by themselves before Salah

Yeah!We are all slaves of Allah!

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Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Rashduct4luv(m): 2:17pm On Apr 03, 2018
Afonjas:



Meanwhile Allah is our slave
When you die you will tell him that!

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Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Empiree: 5:18am On Apr 04, 2018
BishopMagic:
The Sultan tells you when to begin your Ramadan fast and when to end it.

The same Sultan is the permanent Head of the Nigerian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, the highest Islamic body in Nigeria which so happens to be recognized by the useless 1999 Constitution and fully funded through public resources . The Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs is the only body to regulate Islamic doctrine and also issue fatwas at will. And the supreme head is the Sultan of Sokoto.

Now compare with your Christian brethren, who Yorubanized Christianity to form denominations like the Celestial Church of Christ and other white garment Afro-spiritual churches, why are Yoruba Muslims so slavish to Sokoto?

To even add insult to injury, the first Yoruba Emir formerly Oba of Iwo appointed a Hausa Islamic cleric as his Waziri (Prime Minister) who is expected to guide the new Emir on how to administer and govern under Sharia law. Is it that Emir Akanbi did not see the likes of Ishaq Akintola - a Professor of Islamic Studies- to appoint as his Waziri?

Malctunji can you explain on behalf of your fellow Oyoruba Muslims why you feel so inferior to Sokoto?
Because order comes from Sultan from North does not in any way denotes superiority over Yoruba muslims. That's ridiculous of you. And i believe this is a trick and a ploy you people try to inject and create fitna among muslims. Guess what?. It won't work. Our salat is One. Our Ramadan is One and our Haj is One. We obey our Amirs regionally and locally. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Once Sultan announces commencement of Ramadan, there should be no disagreement. And ofcourse, he relies on information provided to him. We are obliged to obey our Amir or leader. The obligation of obedience and compliance with the amir has been proved in Qur’an and Sunnah. Allah (swt) says:

يا أيها الذين آمنوا أطيعوا الله وأطيعوا الرسول وأولي الأمر منكم

“O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and people of authority from among you”. [TMQ 4: 59]


Al-Bukhari and Muslim narrated from Aby Hurairah that he heard the Messenger of Allah (saw) say:

«من أطاعني فقد أطاع الله، ومن عصاني فقد عصى الله، ومن أطاع الأمير فقد أطاعني ومن عصى الأمير فقد عصاني»

“Whoever obeyed me he would have obeyed Allah, and whoever disobeyed me he would have disobeyed Allah. And whoever obeyed the amir he would have obeyed me, and whoever disobeyed the amir he would have disobeyed me”.

So we do not obey him just because he's from different tribe. We obey him upon islamic principles. Same thing if you live in the West. Once Islamic Circle of North America declares the start of Ramadan, we do not challenge them. We all start fasting. This is part of our center of unity. There is no superiority of Black over white or Arab over non-arab or North over West, except by righteouness and piety.

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Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Afonjas: 4:24pm On Apr 06, 2018
Rashduct4luv:


When you die you will tell him that!

I will spit on Allah's face and tell him more than that

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Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Rashduct4luv(m): 5:27pm On Apr 06, 2018
Afonjas:
I will spit on Allah's face and tell him more than that
Pray for death to overtake you so that you may carry out your wish!
Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Rashduct4luv(m): 5:27pm On Apr 06, 2018
Afonjas:
I will spit on Allah's face and tell him more than that
Pray for death to overtake you so that you may carry out your wish!
Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Dreydoe(m): 10:38pm On Apr 06, 2018
Rashduct4luv:


Pray for death to overtake you so that you may carry out your wish!
salam alakium

Can I pray Qiyamul lat, istikhara and Witr ... All together .. Every night?
Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Afonjas: 10:47pm On Apr 06, 2018
Rashduct4luv:


Pray for death to overtake you so that you may carry out your wish!
silly reply, l don't pray
Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Rashduct4luv(m): 7:43am On Apr 07, 2018
Afonjas:
silly reply, l don't pray


Sooner or later you will die. Death is inevitable! And then you will know the truth.
Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:07am On Apr 07, 2018
Dreydoe:
salam alakium

Can I pray Qiyamul lat, istikhara and Witr ... All together .. Every night?

Wa 'alaikum Salam warahmatullah

Qiyaam al layl means all acts of worship done in the night after ishaa usually after one has slept and the stoop up...witr is included.

Witr is the odd number prayer usually use to end the night prayers.


Istikhara can be done every night if one is not certain about the options one is to choose from. However one should do istishaarah (i.e. ask from knowledgeable people).
Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by vedaxcool(m): 5:56pm On Apr 07, 2018
Why would you people respond to a senseless hate filled thread from an individual who only writes senseless message of hate. I am surprised the mods left this rubbish in this section.
Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Dreydoe(m): 8:04pm On Apr 07, 2018
Rashduct4luv:


Wa 'alaikum Salam warahmatullah

Qiyaam al layl means all acts of worship done in the night after ishaa usually after one has slept and the stoop up...witr is included.

Witr is the odd number prayer usually use to end the night prayers.


Istikhara can be done every night if one is not certain about the options one is to choose from. However one should do istishaarah (i.e. ask from knowledgeable people).

Jazak Allah Khairan.. More confuse tho.

Leme just break it down.. Waking up in every one third ozf the Night, praying 2 raka..Qiyaam layl . salam den. .. Getting up
for istikhara 2 raka ..salam den.. Getting up again for witr.. One raka... Please if dere is Sumfin am getting or doing wrong- please let me know.. Any knowledgeable Muslim can please thorw more light on this..
Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Rashduct4luv(m): 9:29am On Apr 08, 2018
Dreydoe:
Jazak Allah Khairan.. More confuse tho.

Leme just break it down.. Waking up in every one third ozf the Night, praying 2 raka..Qiyaam layl . salam den. .. Getting up
for istikhara 2 raka ..salam den.. Getting up again for witr.. One raka... Please if dere is Sumfin am getting or doing wrong- please let me know.. Any knowledgeable Muslim can please thorw more light on this..


Its okay.
Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Dreydoe(m): 9:39am On Apr 08, 2018
Rashduct4luv:


Its okay.
shukran
Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by BetaThings: 10:41am On Apr 09, 2018
Rashduct4luv:


When you die you will tell him that!

When someone insults Allah, you don't debate him. You report him to the moderators and ignore him
You cannot sit with such people or engage them - that is what the Qur'an says

Anyone can fault the tenets of Islam and we will debate him, but we cannot continue the discussion when he insults Allah or the Prophet (SAW)

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Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:45am On Apr 09, 2018
BetaThings:


When someone insults Allah, you don't debate him. You report him to the moderators and ignore him
You cannot sit with such people or engage them - that is what the Qur'an says

Anyone can fault the tenets of Islam and we will debate him, but we cannot continue the discussion when he insults Allah or the Prophet (SAW)

Thanks for the reminder!Jazaak Allaahu khayran.
Re: Why Can't The Oyoruba Muslims Be Independent Of Sokoto? by BetaThings: 11:50am On Apr 09, 2018
BishopMagic:
The Sultan tells you when to begin your Ramadan fast and when to end it.

The same Sultan is the permanent Head of the Nigerian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, the highest Islamic body in Nigeria which so happens to be recognized by the useless 1999 Constitution and fully funded through public resources . The Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs is the only body to regulate Islamic doctrine and also issue fatwas at will. And the supreme head is the Sultan of Sokoto.

Now compare with your Christian brethren, who Yorubanized Christianity to form denominations like the Celestial Church of Christ and other white garment Afro-spiritual churches, why are Yoruba Muslims so slavish to Sokoto?

To even add insult to injury, the first Yoruba Emir formerly Oba of Iwo appointed a Hausa Islamic cleric as his Waziri (Prime Minister) who is expected to guide the new Emir on how to administer and govern under Sharia law. Is it that Emir Akanbi did not see the likes of Ishaq Akintola - a Professor of Islamic Studies- to appoint as his Waziri?

Malctunji can you explain on behalf of your fellow Oyoruba Muslims why you feel so inferior to Sokoto?

Muslims (Yoruba, Hausa etc) know the rules of Islam. We don't need a non-Muslim to tell us who should make adhan, lead the prayer or coordinate the sighting of the moon
We know that tribalism is an issue in Christianity - it is not in Islam


Your post is about breaking the unity of Muslims. Nothing more, nothing less!

It is not borne out of love or concern; rather the opposite is the intention and the Qur'an has warned us that you will not rest until you achieve your malicious desire


Let me remind you of where this tribal consideration is appropriate


http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/08/17/obey-the-pope-and-accept-your-bishop-nigerian-diocese-is-urged/
https://nigerialatestpolitics..com.ng/2014/10/imo-state-catholics-go-to-war-over-new.html
http://thenationonlineng.net/embattled-imo-bishop-okpalaeke-resigns/
https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/news/17309/1/condom-in-church-catholic-priest-opens-can-of-worm.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HgD6_86af0

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