John 8:42
Jesus said to them: "If God were your father, you would love me. For I CAME FROM GOD and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but THAT ONE sent me".

In John 16:28,Jesus repeated these words as in your scripture quoted above and said,
For I came forth from the Father and I am come into the world:again I leave the world and return to the Father

Notice the letters in bold.

A newer version of the bible (World English Bible) puts it as
For I came out of the Father and have come into the World:again I leave the world and return unto the Father.

The Scripture answers your question except you want to turn a blind eye.

Your comment is synonymous with the question. Can you explain what you are trying to say?

thorpido:
In John 16:28,Jesus repeated these words as in your scripture quoted above and said,
For I came forth from the Father and I am come into the world:again I leave the world and return to the Father

Notice the letters in bold.

A newer version of the bible (World English Bible) puts it as
For I came out of the Father and have come into the World:again I leave the world and return unto the Father.

The Scripture answers your question except you want to turn a blind eye.

removetheturban:
Your comment is synonymous with the question. Can you explain what you are trying to say?

In summary,He didn't believe in the Trinity as your topic says but He is divinity,part of the Godhead.

Okay, I got you. As Christians, are we supposed to follow Christ's lead?

thorpido:
In summary,He didn't believe in the Trinity as your topic says but He is divinity,part of the Godhead.

removetheturban:
Okay, I got you. As Christians, are we supposed to follow Christ's lead?

Yes

thorpido:
Yes

And believe what he believes and taught?

removetheturban:
And believe what he believes and taught?

Yes.

Did he refer to someone as HIS God?

thorpido:
Yes.

removetheturban:
Did he refer to someone as HIS God?

Yes He did.However,it is good not to 'select' just a statement He made at a point but to consider ALL He said.
In John 16:28,He said,
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Here,He says the life of God (the life that makes Him God) dwells in Him.

thorpido:
Yes He did.However,it is good not to 'select' just a statement He made at a point but to consider ALL He said.
In John 16:28,He said,
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Here,He says the life of God (the life that makes Him God) dwells in Him.

But it is clearly stated that he (the son) was GIVEN the life that is in God. In turn, he died so that we would have life.

Most of Jesus statements are cherrypicked by Trinitarians. He never gave any clear or open speech on the Trinity. John 20:17 Jesus told you and I who our God is. Do you believe Jesus?

removetheturban:
But it is clearly stated that he (the son) was GIVEN the life that is in God. In turn, he died so that we would have life.

Most of Jesus statements are cherrypicked by Trinitarians. He never gave any clear or open speech on the Trinity. John 20:17 Jesus told you and I who our God is. Do you believe Jesus?

How come you choose to deny what He clearly said?
He said My Father sent Me.............but he also said the life of the Father,I have.It's a mystery beyond religion or human science and that is why some have said they do not believe.

The bible calls it........the geat mystery of godliness,God was manifest in the flesh.1Tim.3:16

thorpido:
It's a mystery beyond religion or human science and that is why some have said they do not believe.

What really is mysterious to you about God?

God is not a mystery. The Bible said that Jesus came to the earth to make God known. If he is still a mystery then Jesus did not accomplish his will. John 17:3 Jesus said that our salvation and living forever depends on knowing Jehovah and Jesus who was sent.

If God is still a mystery to us, then how can we be saved when our salvation depends on knowing him?

thorpido:
How come you choose to deny what He clearly said?
He said My Father sent Me.............but he also said the life of the Father,I have.It's a mystery beyond religion or human science and that is why some have said they do not believe.

The bible calls it........the geat mystery of godliness,God was manifest in the flesh.1Tim.3:16

You are using a spurious Bible version. "God" was manifest in the flesh is not found in the Greek manuscript. That version was written by heretics who propound ideas of men to shadow the truth.

removetheturban:
God is not a mystery. The Bible said that Jesus came to the earth to make God known. If he is still a mystery then Jesus did not accomplish his will. John 17:3 Jesus said that our salvation and living forever depends on knowing Jehovah and Jesus who was sent.

If God is still a mystery to us, then how can we be saved when our salvation depends on knowing him?
You are using a spurious Bible version. "God" was manifest in the flesh is not found in the Greek manuscript. That version was written by heretics who propound ideas of men to shadow the truth.

Spurious bible version?
Are you a Jehovah's witness or a Muslim?

thorpido:
Spurious bible version?
Are you a Jehovah's witness or a Muslim?

He is more of a Jehovah Witness.

Why not settle this dispute by praying for revelati... Oh i remember that's all you do but still end up conflicted.

asuustrike2009:

He is more of a Jehovah Witness.

No wonder.I guessed as much.

I am a Jehovah's Witness.
And, yes those texts were not found in the original Greek scriptures. Check!

thorpido:
Spurious bible version?
Are you a Jehovah's witness or a Muslim?

removetheturban:
I am a Jehovah's Witness.
And, yes those texts were not found in the original Greek scriptures. Check!

That's okay with the false witness.
Can I borrow your copy of the original Greek scriptures?

thorpido:
That's okay with the false witness.

What do you mean by this comment?

thorpido:

Can I borrow your copy of the original Greek scriptures?

That is what the church is for. The Church should have a library for research. A library where not just books for sale are deposited but books for intense research. What church do you represent?

removetheturban:
What do you mean by this comment? That is what the church is for. The Church should have a library for research. A library where not just books for sale are deposited but books for intense research. What church do you represent?

You know in the law court,there are those who come to bear witness to a case and they tender proofs whereas there are others who only come to deny what others have stated but when you ask them for proof they go round in circles.

I do not have books where it is proven that the scriptures in the bible were not in the original manuscripts. You will do well to provide me copies of them.

Remember,a false witness denies but doesn't have proof.

thorpido:
You know in the law court,there are those you come to bear witness to a case and the tender proofs whereas there are others who only come to deny what others have stated but when you ask then for proof they go round in circles.

I do not have books where it is proven that the scriptures in the bible were not in the original manuscripts. You will do well to provide me copies of them.
Remember,a false witness denies but doesn't have proof.

I am surprised that you cannot do a simple research on a thing like this. Inquire from your fellow Trinitarians or your pastors.

removetheturban:
I am surprised that you cannot do a simple research on a thing like this. Inquire from your fellow Trinitarians or your pastors.

Escapist pathway.
I don't have it.You say the scriptures are not true because you must have proof.

Why don't you just send to me by email?It's easy.

Remember the bible says there are many false witnesses in the world today.

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removetheturban:
I am a Jehovah's Witness!

You must be a rogue witness.

I remember very clearly a Jehovah's witness telling me that they do not discuss the Bible with strangers in a public forum. Most especially individuals who don't share their beliefs.

Here you are in the religious section of nairaland doing the opposite.

That's good.

Since you love discussing , let's talk about the numerous child abuse cases you guys are battling in court.

removetheturban:
I am surprised that you cannot do a simple research on a thing like this. Inquire from your fellow Trinitarians or your pastors.

Have you done research on the numerous child abuse cases your leaders don't want you to know about?

Your desire to denigrate the JW is not a surprise to anyone. The Roman Catholic Church is an organization that understands the concept of due process. If the JW has written anything defamatory against the RCC, they would have fought back to uphold their dignity. The RCC has a long chain of cases that they have won and a group of seasoned lawyers to represent them.

If they, do not deem it fit to issue a requital, It shows you that we did not cross the line. You are simply on a smear campaign.

nans24:

Have you done research on the numerous child abuse cases your leaders don't want you to know about?

I will give you a list of Bibles written by Trinitarians so you can see the confusion among them. Read them and seek answers to why some texts are missing in most versions.

1 John 5:7

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses--

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

New American Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Contemporary English Version
In fact, there are three who tell about it.

Good News Translation
There are three witnesses:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

International Standard Version
For there are three witnesses —

NET Bible
For there are three that testify,

New Heart English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
There are three witnesses:

New American Standard 1977
And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

King James 2000 Bible
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

American King James Version
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

American Standard Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.

Darby Bible Translation
For they that bear witness are three:

English Revised Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Webster's Bible Translation
For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.

Weymouth New Testament
For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood;

World English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Young's Literal Translation
because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;

thorpido:
Escapist pathway.
I don't have it.You say the scriptures are not true because you must have proof.

Why don't you just send to me by email?It's easy.

Remember the bible says there are many false witnesses in the world today.

removetheturban:
I will give you a list of Bibles written by Trinitarians so you can see the confusion among them. Read them and seek answers to why some texts are missing in most versions.

1 John 5:7

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses--

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

New American Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Contemporary English Version
In fact, there are three who tell about it.

Good News Translation
There are three witnesses:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

International Standard Version
For there are three witnesses —

NET Bible
For there are three that testify,

New Heart English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
There are three witnesses:

New American Standard 1977
And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

King James 2000 Bible
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

American King James Version
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

American Standard Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.

Darby Bible Translation
For they that bear witness are three:

English Revised Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Webster's Bible Translation
For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.

Weymouth New Testament
For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood;

World English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Young's Literal Translation
because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;

You choose to see confusion where there is none.
The key words in all the translations are three....bear witness and ......are one.
The Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit and the three.The bible also says they are ONE.

The so-called anti-trinitians and false witnesses never see that they are one,One God.

removetheturban:
God is not a mystery. The Bible said that Jesus came to the earth to make God known. If he is still a mystery then Jesus did not accomplish his will. John 17:3 Jesus said that our salvation and living forever depends on knowing Jehovah and Jesus who was sent.

If God is still a mystery to us, then how can we be saved when our salvation depends on knowing him?
You are using a spurious Bible version. "God" was manifest in the flesh is not found in the Greek manuscript. That version was written by heretics who propound ideas of men to shadow the truth.

Your new world translation that contains jehovah 217 times ie in places it was never mentioned in the original Greek manuscript is the only spurious version I know.

And, what are the three? Read the following verse to get the truth.

thorpido:
You choose to see confusion where there is none.
The key words in all the translations are three....bear witness and ......are one.
The Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit and the three.The bible also says they are ONE.

The so-called anti-trinitians and false witnesses never see that they are one,One God.