Of recent have been seeing ugly tribalistic posts biting the head of headies awards organizers of tribalism for not including "Easterners" in their awards.
They further went ahead and listed south westerners influenced artists like Run town, Flavour, Phyno, patoranking, Tekno etc which i'm of the opinion they are westerners and not Easterners. They are igbo from descendants living and birth in the west. eg Lagos, Akure, Ibadan etc.

Can they be regarded as Easterners or Westerners?

Philip Emeagwali a Nigerian computer scientist was born and educated in Akure, Nigeria on 23 August 1954. is he an Easterner?

Patoranking , is a Nigerian reggae- dancehall
singer and songwriter . He hails from Ebonyi State [3] and was born and raised in Ijegun-Egba Lagos. speaks Yoruba and sings fuji

is he an eastern or westerner?

Chidinma Ekile, the sixth of seven children, was born in Ketu, Kosofe , Lagos State.

Is she an Easterner?

Buhari was born in Agadez, Niger. Migrated to Nigeria and became President then was swapped in Sudan for Jubrin.


Is he Fulani, Nigerien, a Northerner, Nigerian or Sudanese?

Drchristian:
Of recent have been seeing ugly tribalistic posts biting the head of headies awards organizers of tribalism for not including "Easterners" in their awards.
They further went ahead and listed south westerners influenced artists like Run town, Flavour, Phyno, patoranking, Tekno etc which i'm of the opinion they are westerners and not Easterners. They are igbo from descendants living and birth in the west. eg Lagos, Akure, Ibadan etc.

Can they be regarded as Easterners or Westerners?

ajuju

This is the question haunting the very existence of Nigeria itself.
Right of birth or habitation vs right of indigenship.

All those people you mention are Igbos but are not Easterners.

They are Western-Igbos just as we have Northern-Igbos.

OP thanks for the this Thread I've been thinking of this since from well when I first knew how to read.
Indegenization don't work no more we should just practice citizenship by birth. dat way an Igbo man who's ancestral links can be traced to Enugu should have the right to contest governorship in a place like bayelsa so long as he was born there. it would ease all this Tribalism. yes I said it come an kii me cuz I know many Nigerians the old ones especially won't understand this and they are the ones rullin us.

Do you know an area called Obalende in Lagos? How about Idi Araba?

Hausas of the 10th generation or more....but they never claim anything than Hausa and North.

Do you know the history of Chief Landuji Oshodi?
His official title is Balogun Tapa of Lagos. His descendants dont even speak Tapa but they still bear names like Sanda, Umaru, Ndatsu and so on...proud of their heritage but mighty grateful for their legacy. Their ancestor was slave, and later a trader of King Eshinlokun of Lagos. 1700s! We are in 2000s! They have not abandoned their beginnings.

Those who arrived in 1930s should learn from the stocks listed above.

Drchristian:
Of recent have been seeing ugly tribalistic posts biting the head of headies awards organizers of tribalism for not including "Easterners" in their awards.
They further went ahead and listed south westerners influenced artists like Run town, Flavour, Phyno, patoranking, Tekno etc which i'm of the opinion they are westerners and not Easterners. They are igbo from descendants living and birth in the west. eg Lagos, Akure, Ibadan etc.

Can they be regarded as Easterners or Westerners?

Flavour and phyno were born and bred in S.East Nigeria. Both of whom are known for singing in igbo language. You can take their names out of your list.

MetaPhysical:
Do you know an area called Obalende in Lagos? How about Idi Araba?

Hausas of the 10th generation or more....but they never claim anything than Hausa and North.

Do you know the history of Chief Landuji Oshodi?
His official title is Balogun Tapa of Lagos. His descendants dont even speak Tapa but they still bear names like Sanda, Umaru, Ndatsu and so on...proud of their heritage but mighty grateful for their legacy. Their ancestor was slave, and later a trader of King Eshinlokun of Lagos. 1700s! We are in 2000s! They have not abandoned their beginnings.

Those who arrived in 1930s should learn from the stocks listed above.

So hw has dat helped anything in this country. those are just people that want to stick to the old and archaic Indegenization process. to me Indegenization and the state of origin shit just slows down a countries development.

Sinistami:



So hw has dat helped anything in this country. those are just people that want to stick to the old and archaic Indegenization process. to me Indegenization and the state of origin shit just slows down a countries development.

The problem is your proposal will favor certain tribe (s) over others which will lead to more ethnic suspicion/hostilities that you were originally complaining about.

Emilokoiyawon:


The problem is your proposal will favor certain tribe (s) over others which will lead to more ethnic suspicion/hostilities that you were originally complaining about.

Explain more

Sinistami:


Explain more

Part of your goal is to "ease all the tribalism." So if an Igbo becomes governor in Kano (partly because of their relatively high population in Kano) but a Hausa does not become Anambra governor (partly due to their relatively low population in the state), how does that "ease all the tribalism.?" It seems that would enhance tribal suspicion and even lead to outright tribal hostility against the tribe or tribes that seem to be benefiting most due to their nomadic tendencies. So your proposed solution will end up exacerbating the original problem as opposed to solving it. It might be difficult for you to realize but it is likely that the current indigenization policy is one of the factors keeping tribal hostilities and wars largely at bay in this country.

Emilokoiyawon:


Part of your goal is to "ease all the tribalism." So if an Igbo becomes governor in Kano (partly because of their relatively high population in Kano) but a Hausa does not become Anambra governor (partly due to their relatively low population in the state), how does that "ease all the tribalism.?" It seems that would enhance tribal suspicion and even lead to outright tribal hostility against the tribe or tribes that seem to be benefiting most due to their nomadic tendencies. So your proposed solution will end up exacerbating the original problem as opposed to solving it. It might be difficult for you to realize but it is likely that the current indigenization policy is one of the factors keeping tribal hostilities and wars largely at bay in this country.

Well you're right buh dats one of the disadvantages but I know it does have its advantages although I can't state it now.

Emilokoiyawon:


Part of your goal is to "ease all the tribalism." So if an Igbo becomes governor in Kano (partly because of their relatively high population in Kano) but a Hausa does not become Anambra governor (partly due to their relatively low population in the state), how does that "ease all the tribalism.?" It seems that would enhance tribal suspicion and even lead to outright tribal hostility against the tribe or tribes that seem to be benefiting most due to their nomadic tendencies. So your proposed solution will end up exacerbating the original problem as opposed to solving it. It might be difficult for you to realize but it is likely that the current indigenization policy is one of the factors keeping tribal hostilities and wars largely at bay in this country.

This is something that we still see in Nigerdeltan Cities like Warri, Portharcourt etc. But the Current System still isn't just Working for Nigeria. Many Countries like the USA, Great Britain,Etc tried it and it works although they are still some ethnic Clashes they still manage to be one of the most successful Countries in the world. why can't we just try it. if u only look at the Bad side of every idea and you don't take risks then you can never ever be successful.

Sinistami:


This is something that we still see in Nigerdeltan Cities like Warri, Portharcourt etc. But the Current System still isn't just Working for Nigeria. Many Countries like the USA, Great Britain,Etc tried it and it works although they are still some ethnic Clashes they still manage to be one of the most successful Countries in the world. why can't we just try it. if u only look at the Bad side of every idea and you don't take risks then you can never ever be successful.

Not clear what you mean by Warri, Portharcourt etc. At any rate your intentions are very laudable. However, I am not so sure about the effectiveness of your method (as I stated earlier). Sometimes its almost impossible to legislate 'progress.' It took America 144 years after the abolition of slavery before a black man became president. And even today black Americans still face some serious institutional racism and discrimination. Great Britain has never elected a non-white person as Prime Minister -ever. I rather prefer a regional system of government - this in my opinion will be the most effective in making Nigeria a more successful country.

Why are Igbos ashamed of their roots and region, and always agitating to dump their Igboness for a new identification

Emilokoiyawon:


Not clear what you mean by Warri, Portharcourt etc. At any rate your intentions are very laudable. However, I am not so sure about the effectiveness of your method (as I stated earlier). Sometimes its almost impossible to legislate 'progress.' It took America 144 years after the abolition of slavery before a black man became president. And even today black Americans still face some serious institutional racism and discrimination. Great Britain has never elected a non-white person as Prime Minister -ever. I rather prefer a regional system of government - this in my opinion will be the most effective in making Nigeria a more successful country.

Forgive me am only 19 so maybe am just stupid and young buh aren't we all black why can't we just be one. I don't think we dat different from each other like the way they make us to be.
About the Warri and PH thing I mean Cities with mixed ethnicities already do have the problems u speak of I was just agreeing with what u said.

Sinistami:


Forgive me am only 19 so maybe am just stupid and young buh aren't we all black why can't we just be one. I don't think we dat different from each other like the way they make us to be.
About the Warri and PH thing I mean Cities with mixed ethnicities already do have the problems u speak of I was just agreeing with what u said.

I agree with the emboldened. I actually have chosen (recently) to recognize/respect ALL life. My choice is to see the same life in all humans. However, religious and ethnic identities are very strong. Not only in Nigeria but all over the world. In seeking to find out what works, we have to factor in these realities. Nevertheless, you are quite perceptive for your age and I would advise you to not let go of your optimism - at the very least your heart is in the right place. But recognize this : - To get a great society you need to work on producing great people. Not the other way around.

Emilokoiyawon:


I agree with the emboldened. I actually have chosen (recently) to recognize/respect ALL life. My choice is to see the same life in all humans. However, religious and ethnic identities are very strong. Not only in Nigeria but all over the world. In seeking to find out what works, we have to factor in these realities. Nevertheless, you are quite perceptive for your age and I would advise you to not let go of your optimism - at the very least your heart is in the right place. But recognize this : - To get a great society you need to work on producing great people. Not the other way around.

I understand thanks

Thank you sinistami and emilokoiyawon for the wonderful engagement. Like Emilokoiyawon said, Nigeria is not yet ready for what you're proposing and I don't think we'll be in any distant future.

The South was close to this in the 30s, 40s, 50s but some of the southern elements were not trustworthy. I can confidently tell you Yorubas do not have problem with given settlers native rights in their domain. But it becomes a problem when settlers see the gesture as stupidity and their superior influence. As we speak there are Chiefs in Ibadan who are of eastern dissent and are being treated with respect. they were given the title cos of loyalty and long years of habitation.

The truth is Nigerians are not just black, we are different in so many fronts. Yorubas and Igbos are very different people with different personalities...You can't put the two in the same bucket. Chaos is inevitable

The three posters above me need to go and find a "kiss and make up" thread to post on. This here is for political turf tackle.

Intrepid01:
Thank you sinistami and emilokoiyawon for the wonderful engagement. Like Emilokoiyawon said, Nigeria is not yet ready for what you're proposing and I don't think we'll be in any distant future.

The South was close to this in the 30s, 40s, 50s but some of the southern elements were not trustworthy. I can confidently tell you Yorubas do not have problem with given settlers native rights in their domain. But it becomes a problem when settlers see the gesture as stupidity and their superior influence. As we speak there are Chiefs in Ibadan who are of eastern dissent and are being treated with respect. they were given the title cos of loyalty and long years of habitation.

The truth is Nigerians are not just black, we are different in so many fronts. Yorubas and Igbos are very different people with different personalities...You can't put the two in the same bucket. Chaos is inevitable

Well what you said holds water N I think Tribes who are most Marginalized by the Government are the ones who are most likely to not give Native Rights to Settlers. and more likely to feel a Tribe is being Stupid if it does dat. Eg Tribes in the Nigerdelta. even though they are seen as Hospitable to strangers. Thank u though I like conversations like this without the Normal Tribal E fights always.

BabaRamota1980:
The three posters above me need to go and find a "kiss and make up" thread to post on. This here is for political turf tackle.

You say this because we don't go Spewing Tribal Insults like you would love us to. Abi? you Should go find a Yoruba VS Igbo Thread to post on too.

Sinistami:


You say this because we don't go Spewing Tribal Insults like you would love us to. Abi? you Should go find a Yoruba VS Igbo Thread to post on too.

Leave me alone

Ipob want to be part of other regions by fire by force so they can be contesting for governor there!