“Then let me ask you this famous question: Would you rather live in a world without technology … or in a world without religion? Would you rather live without medicine, electricity, transportation, and antibiotics … or without zealots waging war over fictional tales and imaginary spirits?” That is a quote from Dan Brown's Origin, and I'll like to put it us here, if the universe suddenly makes religion and science mutually exclusive, which will you go with?

As an antireligious person, my answer is obvious

“Then let me ask you this famous question: Would you rather live in a world without technology … or in a world without atheism? Would you rather live without medicine, electricity, transportation, and antibiotics … or without zealots distorting science, history and religion?” That is a quote from Dun Crown's Origin, and I'll like to put it us here, if the universe suddenly makes atheism and science mutually exclusive, which will you go with?

Anybody that believes in God should believe in science. Science is the tool God uses to continually perfect his creation. Not religion. Not Christianity.

Like all the other works of God, science produces consistent result to a very high probability. Just as u don't need to be a Christian or Muslim to benefit from rain, you don't need to be either or to have any faith to benefit from science. What works for the majority will very likely work for you. Any system that requires having a special faith or visiting a special pastor cannot be of God.

Just like we the creatures of God continually evolve, so does knowledge of science. Forever growing into something more and more practical and beneficial. But relgious knowlede is stagnant, stagnating or even retrogressive. Given the evidence, we know that which is more useful between science and religion.

Though I acknowledge the usefulness of religion in this day and age especially considering the high number of subhumans whose primitive instincts are being suppressed by their devotion to religion (and there is a lot of evidence for these kinds of people among Nairaland Christians), in the long run, science is preferable to religion.

rekinomtla:
“Then let me ask you this famous question: Would you rather live in a world without technology … or in a world without atheism? Would you rather live without medicine, electricity, transportation, and antibiotics … or without zealots distorting science, history and religion?” That is a quote from Dun Crown's Origin, and I'll like to put it us here, if the universe suddenly makes atheism and science mutually exclusive, which will you go with?

Atheism is the lack of belief in a God.

Can you for one year alone, take all the accident victims in your church to pastor for prayer? Can you regrow the limbs of amputees?

And I would go with Science.

NPComplete:
Anybody that believes in God should believe in science. Science is the tool God uses to continually perfect his creation. Not religion. Not Christianity.

Like all the other works of God, science produces consistent result to a very high probability. Just as u don't need to be a Christian or Muslim to benefit from rain, you don't need to be either or to have any faith to benefit from science. What works for the majority will very likely work for you. Any system that requires having a special faith or visiting a special pastor cannot be of God.

Just like we the creatures of God continually evolve, so does knowledge of science. Forever growing into something more and more practical and beneficial. But relgious knowlede is stagnant, stagnating or even retrogressive. Given the evidence, we know that which is more useful between science and religion.

Though I acknowledge the usefulness of religion in this day and age especially considering the high number of subhumans whose primitive instincts are being suppressed by their devotion to religion (and there is a lot of evidence for these kinds of people among Nairaland Christians), in the long run, science is preferable to religion.

Reasonable conclusion but I disagree when you say Religious knowledge is stagnant because Religion, like other social concept, evolve with the times and what was once taken to be literal suddenly gets reinterpreted metaphorically (once evidence discrediting comes to light), and then they say "A-ha! we were right all along"

The question the OP is posing is redundant though, You can't have humans without having religion. it is impossible. Religion is the mystery of the unknown, the reason behind unreasonable incidents, the opium in a world filled with pain.
And without science, we'd have been dead already.

it's like saying "If you had to choose to between your heart and your brain, which would you choose"

Spirituality and science is the best combination.. It is what has always been...

princeSammyz:
“Then let me ask you this famous question: Would you rather live in a world without technology … or in a world without religion? Would you rather live without medicine, electricity, transportation, and antibiotics … or without zealots waging war over fictional tales and imaginary spirits?” That is a quote from Dan Brown's Origin, and I'll like to put it us here, if the universe suddenly makes religion and science mutually exclusive, which will you go with?

Religion and science ARE mutually exclusive.

Religion is the problem not science.

Outofsync:

Reasonable conclusion but I disagree when you say Religious knowledge is stagnant because Religion, like other social concept, evolve with the times and what was once taken to be literal suddenly gets reinterpreted metaphorically (once evidence discrediting comes to light), and then they say "A-ha! we were right all along"

The question the OP is posing is redundant though, You can't have humans without having religion. it is impossible. Religion is the mystery of the unknown, the reason behind unreasonable incidents, the opium in a world filled with pain.
And without science, we'd have been dead already.

it's like saying "If you had to choose to between your heart and your brain, which would you choose"

There are hundreds of millions of people who live just fine without religion.

mmsen:


There are hundreds of millions of people who live just fine without religion.

There are similarly hundreds of millions of people who know nothing about science.

Outofsync:

There are similarly hundreds of millions of people who know nothing about science.

Did u just pull this number out of a hat? Even your 90 year old grandma knows about science. She may call it Oyinbo stuff but she understands its usefulness. Short of undiscovered tribes in the Amazon and other parts of the world everyone else knows about science. And, collectively, they are hardly up to 5 million.

So where did u get your number from? If u had said "hundreds of millions of people get by without science", that would have been a bit more tenable.

princeSammyz:
“Then let me ask you this famous question: Would you rather live in a world without technology … or in a world without religion? Would you rather live without medicine, electricity, transportation, and antibiotics … or without zealots waging war over fictional tales and imaginary spirits?” That is a quote from Dan Brown's Origin, and I'll like to put it us here, if the universe suddenly makes religion and science mutually exclusive, which will you go with?

science and religion can never be exclusive if geared toward the truth.Ritual -example. Worshiping rising sun, Almost all religions do it . Science - Sunrays are source of Vitamins. Also, the rays improves your eyesight. But, looking directly in to the sun during noon may harm your eyes. So it was advised to look and pay aboyance to ultimate source of energy early in the moring.... . You can visit my thread....https://www.nairaland.com/4373546/believe-religion-same-time-accept

NPComplete:


Did u just pull this number out of a hat? Even your 90 year old grandma knows about science. She may call it Oyinbo stuff but she understands its usefulness. Short of undiscovered tribes in the Amazon and other parts of the world everyone else knows about science. And, collectively, they are hardly up to 5 million.

So where did u get your number from? If u had said "hundreds of millions of people get by without science", that would have been a bit more tenable.

Does anyone really get by without science? I say no! most of everything we know is scientific so they may not be aware but they're still using science.

NPComplete:


Did u just pull this number out of a hat? Even your 90 year old grandma knows about science. She may call it Oyinbo stuff but she understands its usefulness. Short of undiscovered tribes in the Amazon and other parts of the world everyone else knows about science. And, collectively, they are hardly up to 5 million.

So where did u get your number from? If u had said "hundreds of millions of people get by without science", that would have been a bit more tenable.

The world has an overall literacy rate of 51.3%

that means approximately 49.7% of 7 b people are illiterate

do the math

Outofsync:

The world has an overall literacy rate of 51.3%

that means approximately 49.7% of 7 b people are illiterate

do the math

Jesus dude. How does illiteracy equate to knowing nothing about science? Even the illiterate knows how to use a phone; knows to visit a doctor or pharmacist when he is ill; knows to fill up his car with fuel and not water etc.....

I am disappointed at this your explanation.

NPComplete:


Jesus dude. How does illiteracy equate to knowing nothing about science? Even the illiterate knows how to use a phone; knows to visit a doctor or pharmacist when he is ill; knows to fill up his car with fuel and not water etc.....

I am disappointed at this your explanation.

Dude, the fact that I'm using something does not mean I know something about it.
That an illiterate goes to a doctor doesn't mean he knows there's science involved,all he knows is that he goes to visit the man in white coat when he's feeling ill, the man gives me a slip, another man in a white coat gives me some pills and he takes then and feels well. the man has used the product centuries and decades of scientific research, yet he remains completely ignorant about it.

I do hope you realize you can use something and remain ignorant, know absolutely nothing about it.
And for Bleep sake, how can you be scientifically literate if you can't even read

That's a bit ridiculous. Science and religion are mutually exclusive. We live in a world with both and they don't usually collide. People who ask questions like these are usually people who don't really know much about either... In my opinion.

NPComplete:
Anybody that believes in God should believe in science. Science is the tool God uses to continually perfect his creation. Not religion. Not Christianity.

Like all the other works of God, science produces consistent result to a very high probability. Just as u don't need to be a Christian or Muslim to benefit from rain, you don't need to be either or to have any faith to benefit from science. What works for the majority will very likely work for you. Any system that requires having a special faith or visiting a special pastor cannot be of God.

Just like we the creatures of God continually evolve, so does knowledge of science. Forever growing into something more and more practical and beneficial. But relgious knowlede is stagnant, stagnating or even retrogressive. Given the evidence, we know that which is more useful between science and religion.

Though I acknowledge the usefulness of religion in this day and age especially considering the high number of subhumans whose primitive instincts are being suppressed by their devotion to religion (and there is a lot of evidence for these kinds of people among Nairaland Christians), in the long run, science is preferable to religion.

Thank you.... Some...

@op, to your question: before you can make religion and science exclusive and expect people to chose, be ready to to explain and answer some abnormal, Supernatural, weird, odd etc. phenomena with science. Until then, God is science.

I dont believe in religion but am a very strong christian. True christianity is not a religion,we are not one of the systems seeking the creator,we are the only system the creator used to seek mankind, there is nothing fallen man can do to find the creator,it is futile because The creator cannot be seen with physical effort,the creator had to come as a man to show us the way,every other way is of the evil one and the creator has proved His way through superiority in supernatural strength and holiness.ok how can u be in Nigeria and deny the existence of the supernatural even witchcraft .u believe in going to babalawo to recieve charm from the devils but u deny the existence of GOD who made all things

Outofsync:

There are similarly hundreds of millions of people who know nothing about science.

And many of them die prematurely or of completely preventable ailments as a result of their ignorance.

rekinomtla:
“Then let me ask you this famous question: Would you rather live in a world without technology … or in a world without atheism? Would you rather live without medicine, electricity, transportation, and antibiotics … or without zealots distorting science, history and religion?” That is a quote from Dun Crown's Origin, and I'll like to put it us here, if the universe suddenly makes atheism and science mutually exclusive, which will you go with?

Lol. Mind you, being an atheist is not same as being antireligious. There are so many who believe the existence of a Supreme Being but do not buy into organized religion especially as we have it today. Atheism is a different story entirely.

vaxx:
science and religion can never be exclusive if geared toward the truth.Ritual -example. Worshiping rising sun, Almost all religions do it . Science - Sunrays are source of Vitamins. Also, the rays improves your eyesight. But, looking directly in to the sun during noon may harm your eyes. So it was advised to look and pay aboyance to ultimate source of energy early in the moring.... . You can visit my thread....https://www.nairaland.com/4373546/believe-religion-same-time-accept

vaxx:
science and religion can never be exclusive if geared toward the truth.Ritual -example. Worshiping rising sun, Almost all religions do it . Science - Sunrays are source of Vitamins. Also, the rays improves your eyesight. But, looking directly in to the sun during noon may harm your eyes. So it was advised to look and pay aboyance to ultimate source of energy early in the moring.... . You can visit my thread....https://www.nairaland.com/4373546/believe-religion-same-time-accept

One requires empirical evidence, the other faith. Therefore a true scientist cannot be true to religion at the same time. One tells you we are coming from evolution and that there are evidences, the other tells you we were created and you should believe. Even if you argue that the two, as we have them now are not mutually exclusive, you can't deny that at least, science selectively excludes religion. You still have not made a choice though, science or religion?

princeSammyz:
One requires empirical evidence, the other faith. Therefore a true scientist cannot be true to religion at the same time. One tells you we are coming from evolution and that there are evidences, the other tells you we were created and you should believe. Even if you argue that the two, as we have them now are not mutually exclusive, you can't deny that at least, science selectively excludes religion. You still have not made a choice though, science or religion?

There is no need for God in science, but there are religious scientists of various religions who believe in God. These scientists are not necessarily creationist. On the contrary - if they believe in God, they also believe that there is something which is beyond logic, beyond time and beyond space. They can live with the apparent contradiction because these two things reside on two different levels. Science observes what IS and belief goes for what is beyond that, what resides in the Transcendental.


I still maintain that religion and science are not exclusive if geared toward the truth.....

CAPSLOCKED:
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY ACCIDENT VICTIM RUSHED TO THE CHURCH INSTEAD OF A HOSPITAL.

RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WILL WANT TO DECEIVE THEMSELVES BY SAYING THAT SOMETIMES GOD GIVES HEALINGS THROUGH THE DOCTORS AND MEDICINE.. BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT TAKING SICK PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITALS IS MORE EFFICIENT THAN TAKING THEM TO CHURCHES.

SCIENCE AND RELIGION.
ONE WORKS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF MANKIND. THE OTHER IS A MENTAL PROBLEM (ON THE DECLINE).

Mental problem on a decline? LOL. Great perspective, but remember some people claim supernatural health and protection by reason of their religion. And also they are testimonies of healing from terminal diseases like cancer and so on all around. Probably there is a very important role of religion in humanity that we easily wave off simple because of the disturbing dimension religion has taken in recent times. I feel humanity craves religion, but I am not clear if it needs it or not. Just imagine a world without religion.

TR1212:


Thank you.... Some...

@op, to your question: before you can make religion and science exclusive and expect people to chose, be ready to to explain and answer some abnormal, Supernatural, weird, odd etc. phenomena with science. Until then, God is science.

People believed Ogun caused thunder until people knew better. Likewise eclipse and many other stuffs... Whatever is weird now will/more not continue that way as we have better probes for our environment through science and tech. Will you choose science or religion if you were to vote out one?

princeSammyz:
People believed Ogun caused thunder until people knew better. Likewise eclipse and many other stuffs... Whatever is weird now will/more not continue that way as we have better probes for our environment through science and tech. Will you choose science or religion if you were to vote out one?

Good question bro and nice leading up to it

"Spiritual controls the physical!" these theists scream but observation so far shows the opposite as physical explanations are replacing spiritual ones

There was a time malaria was said to be spiritual but a physical antimalarial drug controlled that spiritual power.

there was a time Infant mortality was higher in Hospitals. It was so bad that women preferred giving birth at home or on their way to the hospitals than in hospitals themselves. Supernatural powers believers claimed some vengeful spirits were responsible for the mortality and only spiritual powers can counter the effects of that spirit. Many Austrians and other nations believed this claim till Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis was able to prove that the doctors simply washing their hands in between attending to patients would reduce the mortality rates by a huge margin. Suddenly something attributed to spiritual powers by the people was controlled by a simple physical action (handwashing)

vaxx:
There is no need for God in science, but there are religious scientists of various religions who believe in God. These scientists are not necessarily creationist. On the contrary - if they believe in God, they also believe that there is something which is beyond logic, beyond time and beyond space. They can live with the apparent contradiction because these two things reside on two different levels. Science observes what IS and belief goes for what is beyond that, what resides in the Transcendental.


I still maintain that religion and science are not exclusive if geared toward the truth.....

Yea. Believing in God is different from accepting a religion. E.G. all religions have a creation story and if you subscribe to such a religion you accept whatever it says. So as a Christain, you must choose Adam and Eve over evolution. Accepting the two is obvious contradiction. God is a universal concept, religion however is more or less a camp or party stuff. Many times religious stories and principles which devotion demands us to believe, stand in stack opposite of scientific principles and it will make no sense accepting both at one time.

Vyntage:
That's a bit ridiculous. Science and religion are mutually exclusive. We live in a world with both and they don't usually collide. People who ask questions like these are usually people who don't really know much about either... In my opinion.

They do collide, and very much for that matter. If science says seeing is believing, and religion says believing is seeing, how much contradiction do we have to have to admit there do collide. Their collision is of course evident in history especially the early church and the early scientists.

princeSammyz:
Yea. Believing in God is different from accepting a religion. E.G. all religions have a creation story and if you subscribe to such a religion you accept whatever it says. So as a Christain, you must choose Adam and Eve over evolution. Accepting the two is obvious contradiction. God is a universal concept, religion however is more or less a camp or party stuff. Many times religious stories and principles which devotion demands us to believe, stand in stack opposite of scientific principles and it will make no sense accepting both at one time.

Religion is a social construct which is based on the belief in God and tries to create a practical theory of exactly what God is and what should humans do in respect to It.

Science and religion can happily coexist for open minded individuals. The open minded scientist will concede a theory other than his own may be possible, even allow that there is truth in many religious beliefs, may even believe in one. The same goes for open minded religious people. Where the science and religion can never coexist is for closed minded people, athiest or irreligious people.

This is a A famous Quote by Noble Laureate Nobel physicist Erwin Schrodinger

‘I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives a lot of factual information, puts all our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously.’

princeSammyz:
People believed Ogun caused thunder until people knew better. Likewise eclipse and many other stuffs... Whatever is weird now will/more not continue that way as we have better probes for our environment through science and tech. Will you choose science or religion if you were to vote out one?

I said it before, and you reiterated my point with the text in bold above. UNTIL someone is able to separate science and religion(more like spirituality) by explaining certain phenomena with science, this question needs not be asked, because to me God is science, and if you want to prove othereise(which is what science does) I'm open to your findings.

princeSammyz:
They do collide, and very much for that matter. If science says seeing is believing, and religion says believing is seeing, how much contradiction do we have to have to admit there do collide. Their collision is of course evident in history especially the early church and the early scientists.

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