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Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by 9icetoo(m): 5:14pm On Jul 30, 2018
I have got a problem that I would need help with.
Car is a 2006 Skoda Octavia 1.9 litre TDI diesel.
Manual transmission.

Last week, car refused to start after work.
Been having hard starting issues for close to 8 months now.

However, car always starts after cranking for 5-10 seconds.
Sometimes oil light beeps as a result of prolonged cranking but car eventually starts with so much white smoke that it kills all the mosquitoes around. grin

Things done so far:

Scanned car. The autel scanner connects, scans but shows a blank screen after completing deep scan.

To rule out connection error, I connected my Bluetooth elm scanner and could get codes p0401 and p0403. Egr related stuffs. (I blocked off my egr 2 years ago).

I can see the airflow meter, temperature sensor and other sensors with the Bluetooth scanner.

I have traced the wiring running from the camshaft sensor and all engine sensors to where it enters the car. I couldn't find any breaks or cuts. That rules out electrical issues on that path.

Battery in the car is a new 90 amp battery installed two weeks ago.

I have checked fuel supply and fuel comes out of the feed to the tandem pump.

Engine rotates fast enough, rpm registers at least 180 rpm (usually enough to start the car).

Engine coughs like it wants to start but doesn't.

On Saturday, my mechanic came and snuffed the car with diesel and it started.

It ran and we shut it down. However attempts to restart was hit and miss as it would sometimes start without snuffing, other times it would need snuffing.

The mechanic popped the return from the engine to the filter pod and there was so much bubbles in the diesel. Further investigation showed that the return feed from the filter pod back to the diesel tank wasnt flowing any diesel at all.

Mechanic is suspecting that this is cause of my problems.

I am skeptical. I changed that filter pod last year when i had diesel supply issues which turned out to be a collapsed supply hose from the tank to the filter pod.

Can a non flowing diesel return line really cause this sort of headache or should I be looking for something else?

Cheers.
Demeanours please help.

One other detail. When the hard starting started, I could use the instantnous fuel readout to know when the car will start. If I start cranking and the diesel flow gets up to 0.7 l/m, car fires up.
Now it gets up to 1.3l/m and nothing happens, rather it drops off.
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by sultaan(m): 12:31am On Jul 31, 2018
I don't know much about the diesel system but from your observations I think you may have found the cause of the problem but it wasn't so obvious to you.

You said a hose collapsed, you have bubbles in your diesel.

You either have a crack in a hose somewhere in your system that is causing it to suck in air that now causes bubbles in your fuel that your pump cannot pump to build enough line pressure.

Now it might be your diesel return line that is pumping air into your fuel tank. If I am right your car will start easily in the morning but get bad when you stop and restart.
I may be wrong but look at diagram of fuel line online and see if there is a break/ modifications in your system.

The source of the bubbles is your problem and it could be as simple as a loose hose clamp
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by 9icetoo(m): 6:52am On Jul 31, 2018
I have replaced the collapsed and that was about 8 months ago.
The hose clamps are tight. I have even doubled the clamps on the diesel distribution lines after replacing the collapsed hose.

I hope it is what the mechanics say it is.

I will change out old hoses later though to rule out any leaks or collapsed hoses over the weekend.
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by GAZZUZZ(m): 7:25am On Jul 31, 2018
9icetoo:
I have got a problem that I would need help with.
Car is a 2006 Skoda Octavia 1.9 litre TDI diesel.
Manual transmission.

Last week, car refused to start after work.
Been having hard starting issues for close to 8 months now.

However, car always starts after cranking for 5-10 seconds.
Sometimes oil light beeps as a result of prolonged cranking but car eventually starts with so much white smoke that it kills all the mosquitoes around. grin

Things done so far:

Scanned car. The autel scanner connects, scans but shows a blank screen after completing deep scan.

To rule out connection error, I connected my Bluetooth elm scanner and could get codes p0401 and p0403. Egr related stuffs. (I blocked off my egr 2 years ago).

I can see the airflow meter, temperature sensor and other sensors with the Bluetooth scanner.

I have traced the wiring running from the camshaft sensor and all engine sensors to where it enters the car. I couldn't find any breaks or cuts. That rules out electrical issues on that path.

Battery in the car is a new 90 amp battery installed two weeks ago.

I have checked fuel supply and fuel comes out of the feed to the tandem pump.

Engine rotates fast enough, rpm registers at least 180 rpm (usually enough to start the car).

Engine coughs like it wants to start but doesn't.

On Saturday, my mechanic came and snuffed the car with diesel and it started.

It ran and we shut it down. However attempts to restart was hit and miss as it would sometimes start without snuffing, other times it would need snuffing.

The mechanic popped the return from the engine to the filter pod and there was so much bubbles in the diesel. Further investigation showed that the return feed from the filter pod back to the diesel tank wasnt flowing any diesel at all.

Mechanic is suspecting that this is cause of my problems.

I am skeptical. I changed that filter pod last year when i had diesel supply issues which turned out to be a collapsed supply hose from the tank to the filter pod.

Can a non flowing diesel return line really cause this sort of headache or should I be looking for something else?

Cheers.
Demeanours please help.

One other detail. When the hard starting started, I could use the instantnous fuel readout to know when the car will start. If I start cranking and the diesel flow gets up to 0.7 l/m, car fires up.
Now it gets up to 1.3l/m and nothing happens, rather it drops off.

sniffing and vehicle starts is a fuel pressure related issue, for failing Fuelpump, they usually work best after being left alone for a long time (which makes this a bit confusing)

My thoughts If you do not have any Return fuel, it means the fuel pump is not giving out enough pressure for the fuel pressure regulator to give off a return.

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Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by 9icetoo(m): 9:15am On Jul 31, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


sniffing and vehicle starts is a fuel pressure related issue, for failing Fuelpump, they usually work best after being left alone for a long time (which makes this a bit confusing)

My thoughts If you do not have any Return fuel, it means the fuel pump is not giving out enough pressure for the fuel pressure regulator to give off a return.

The car has two pumps.
One is the in tank fuel pump which supplies low pressure diesel to the filter and then to the high pressure tandem pump.
I loosened the supply hose from the low pressure in tank pump to the high pressure tandem pump and cycled my ignition on and off five times. About 30cl of diesel came out and filled a water bottle I placed to collect the diesel. That makes me think my in tank diesel pump is good. This pump is also a new pump I installed when I was troubleshooting the cause of misfiring and jerking in the car last year
The high pressure tandem pump operated by the camshaft was also replaced around the same time so I doubt that one is bad too as I get high pressure diesel going to the injectors else the car wouldn't even rev or speed up to 160km/hr like it did on my last trip to calabar.
I am just wondering why I am not getting return to the tank with the car idling and if it is the cause of my hard start problems.
I will reinstall the former high pressure tandem pump tomorrow to check of that one can overcome the pressure regulator and return diesel to the tank.
Thanks.
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by 9icetoo(m): 9:37am On Aug 23, 2018
The rains in pH didn't help. I have touched everything except the timing of the car so I decided to try out what I had read on a TDI forum.
I adjusted the camshaft timing by turning it counter clock wise.
When I tried starting the car, the engine revolved faster than it usually does but this time, there was no white smoke coming out of the exhaust. While cranking I was observing the instant fuel consumption display and realised it remained stuck at zero. Usually, the readout goes to about 0.8liters/minute and car fires up.

This means diesel wasn't being injected.

I adjusted the camshaft fully clockwise, this time the fuel display showed 1.1litres/minute during crank and car started after a prolonged crank.

Well, I burnt out my starter while doing this.

However, it made me realise that my issue is with timing. I have ordered for a timing belt kit.
Will use a mechanic to install when it arrives. That type of work is above my pay grade. Will also replace the bad starter. It actually brought out smoke. grin
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by GAZZUZZ(m): 8:32pm On Aug 23, 2018
9icetoo:
The rains in pH didn't help. I have touched everything except the timing of the car so I decided to try out what I had read on a TDI forum.
I adjusted the camshaft timing by turning it counter clock wise.
When I tried starting the car, the engine revolved faster than it usually does but this time, there was no white smoke coming out of the exhaust. While cranking I was observing the instant fuel consumption display and realised it remained stuck at zero. Usually, the readout goes to about 0.8liters/minute and car fires up.

This means diesel wasn't being injected.

I adjusted the camshaft fully clockwise, this time the fuel display showed 1.1litres/minute during crank and car started after a prolonged crank.

Well, I burnt out my starter while doing this.

However, it made me realise that my issue is with timing. I have ordered for a timing belt kit.
Will use a mechanic to install when it arrives. That type of work is above my pay grade. Will also replace the bad starter. It actually brought out smoke. grin

I don't think I agree with you, but let's sit back and watch.
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by RZArecta(m): 12:27am On May 31, 2020
How did this journey end
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by legionISproteus: 2:48am On May 31, 2020
Lol. Car wey dem don butcher
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by nurey(m): 6:41am On May 31, 2020
9icetoo:
The rains in pH didn't help. I have touched everything except the timing of the car so I decided to try out what I had read on a TDI forum.
I adjusted the camshaft timing by turning it counter clock wise.
When I tried starting the car, the engine revolved faster than it usually does but this time, there was no white smoke coming out of the exhaust. While cranking I was observing the instant fuel consumption display and realised it remained stuck at zero. Usually, the readout goes to about 0.8liters/minute and car fires up.

This means diesel wasn't being injected.

I adjusted the camshaft fully clockwise, this time the fuel display showed 1.1litres/minute during crank and car started after a prolonged crank.

Well, I burnt out my starter while doing this.

However, it made me realise that my issue is with timing. I have ordered for a timing belt kit.
Will use a mechanic to install when it arrives. That type of work is above my pay grade. Will also replace the bad starter. It actually brought out smoke. grin

come and finish the story nah
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by 9icetoo(m): 9:11am On May 31, 2020
nurey:


come and finish the story nah
Lol. Car has since been sold.
Glow plug relay wiring got shorted out. Diagnosis from electrician was that the whole fuse box needed to be changed. Getting the fuse box was a challenge. Relay was connected direct and problems still persisted.
I park vehicle begin drive the mdx. No Time.
Car was sold last year.
New owner removed the engine and put in a petrol engine.
Turned out cylinders were a bit scoured which leads me to believe the cylinders had low compression.
The glow plug tips were also burnt out which may have contributed to the scouring as the tips fell into the engine.
Sad end to a much loved car.
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by nurey(m): 9:24am On May 31, 2020
9icetoo:

Lol. Car has since been sold.
Glow plug relay wiring got shorted out. Diagnosis from electrician was that the whole fuse box needed to be changed. Getting the fuse box was a challenge. Relay was connected direct and problems still persisted.
I park vehicle begin drive the mdx. No Time.
Car was sold last year.
New owner removed the engine and put in a petrol engine.
Turned out cylinders were a bit scoured which leads me to believe the cylinders had low compression.
The glow plug tips were also burnt out which may have contributed to the scouring as the tips fell into the engine.
Sad end to a much loved car.

Las Las Japanese won your heart

M-arry

D-at

X

grin

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Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by HeavenlyBang(m): 11:26am On May 31, 2020
nurey:


Las Las Japanese won your heart

M-arry

D-at

X

grin

God forbid.
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by kingreign(m): 3:06pm On May 31, 2020
HeavenlyBang:


God forbid.

grin

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Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by HeavenlyBang(m): 3:19pm On May 31, 2020
kingreign:


grin

Such has ruined many men.
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by 9icetoo(m): 8:09pm On May 31, 2020
HeavenlyBang:


God forbid.
grin
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by 9icetoo(m): 8:13pm On May 31, 2020
nurey:


Las Las Japanese won your heart

M-arry

D-at

X

grin

It did indeed.
The drive from abakaliki to ph did it for me. Went through ditches and farm roads like a boss. Never went back to the Skoda again. cheesy

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Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by ivoryhouse(m): 1:14am On Jun 02, 2020
The End!
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by id4sho(m): 2:47am On Jun 02, 2020
That is the end of SOLOMON GRUNDY
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by senatorqz: 12:06am On Jun 04, 2020
PLEASE KINDLY HELP GUYS
I recently got a Nigerian used Skoda octavia, and i have never enjoyed it for once, After spending lots of money to bring it to shape, it started crawling and jacking. Any time i hanged in traffic and tries to accelerate, no matter how i press the gas pedal, it will not accelerate. i need a trustworthy Skoda mechanic to deal with it cos i want to tackle the issue rather than sell the car
my mechanics is a Volkswagen specialist but he was just doing the typical trial and error stop, at first he said gear oil, later coil, now he thinks it is the fuel pump
please kindly help
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by 9icetoo(m): 6:17pm On Jun 04, 2020
senatorqz:
PLEASE KINDLY HELP GUYS
I recently got a Nigerian used Skoda octavia, and i have never enjoyed it for once, After spending lots of money to bring it to shape, it started crawling and jacking. Any time i hanged in traffic and tries to accelerate, no matter how i press the gas pedal, it will not accelerate. i need a trustworthy Skoda mechanic to deal with it cos i want to tackle the issue rather than sell the car
my mechanics is a Volkswagen specialist but he was just doing the typical trial and error stop, at first he said gear oil, later coil, now he thinks it is the fuel pump
please kindly help
Skoda is a Volkswagen with a different badge.
I guess you have to look for another mechanic. If you are in Lagos, reach out to greatstephenho on Nairaland. He might help you source for a decent mechanic.
Volkswagen's. Haha. Na person wey never gave their wahalla.

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Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by autologic: 6:26pm On Jun 04, 2020
senatorqz:
PLEASE KINDLY HELP GUYS
I recently got a Nigerian used Skoda octavia, and i have never enjoyed it for once, After spending lots of money to bring it to shape, it started crawling and jacking. Any time i hanged in traffic and tries to accelerate, no matter how i press the gas pedal, it will not accelerate. i need a trustworthy Skoda mechanic to deal with it cos i want to tackle the issue rather than sell the car
my mechanics is a Volkswagen specialist but he was just doing the typical trial and error stop, at first he said gear oil, later coil, now he thinks it is the fuel pump
please kindly help
Let know your location so that we can direct u to the appropriate tech , design is very simple enough for a good tech that know what he is doing.
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by greatstephenho(m): 9:48pm On Jun 04, 2020
9icetoo:

Skoda is a Volkswagen with a different badge.
I guess you have to look for another mechanic. If you are in Lagos, reach out to greatstephenho on Nairaland. He might help you source for a decent mechanic.
Volkswagen's. Haha. Na person wey never gave their wahalla.
when you buy ogu car e go give u wahala na, better Volkswagen dey and u buy 200k car why won't it give u wahala,stop saying Volkswagen is troublesome
Re: Difficulty Starting Skoda Octavia TDI Diesel by NaijadrivaCars: 10:19pm On Jun 04, 2020
Hmmm. The very good MPG you get with diesel engine will end in premium expenses when its wahala starts coming.

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