TruthinAction:
Those who take their lives are completely ignorant of the nature of man. Man is a spirit, has a soul and lives in the physical body. Death is not a cessation of existence. When a man dies, his soul lives on. And he goes to either of the two destination - heaven or hell.

I am sure those who committed suicide are looking for ways to come back but it's already too late. Just give your life to Jesus and serve him with undivided attention. It is better life.

LordReed:


How do you know these things are true?

TruthinAction:


Primarily from God's word and secondarily from the testimonies of people that have had death experiences but came back to life.

LordReed:


How do you know it is the gods word when it was written by humans?

NDEs and Out of Body experiences are not conclusive because the people who have had them have such a vast difference in what they experience you cannot reasonably conclude on any one thing as true. If someone sees Sango or Zeus under such circumstances would you accept it as proof?

TruthinAction:


God's word has been tried and tested to be true. Yes written by men but under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

1. The Bible is the only book that gives a detailed account of how the world was created.

2. Prophecies contained in it are being fulfilled with utmost accuracy. The very year Jesus was crucified was predicted and it happened just that way.

3. The revelation of Jesus, his works and his resurrection adds more credibility that it is indeed God's word. No one till date has been able to refute the fact that Jesus rose from the dead.

4. The Bible is the only book that predict the events of the future so we can take warning.

5. Above all, it is changing lives. Faith in Christ changes your life. It turns criminals into saints.

We would have all been in the dark without the Bible. So it's words are true.

Take time and study for yourself and you will be amazed at what you will learn that can never be taught in schools. It's our manual for life.

Just give your life to Jesus and you will experience peace and joy you never had.

Ochoiho:

No matter how you sound, there is something you cant take from people- their experiences. Every genuine Christian has proven experiences that cannot be eroded by any human argument. Some of us are alive today because of the word of God that you are trying to discredit. let me share with you one out of hundreds of such.

Roman 13:8 'For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved'

A room make of mine died in sleep in the University. People that where with him said he was hitting the wall of his room from sleep and died in the process. We went and buried him. I never know it was my turn.

I was in the class reading till 2.am and went to sleep afterwards. What came upon me was like a Trailer load of cement. My life would have ended within 10 Minutes but I started shouting the name Jesus. My voice was not heard but enough power was generated to push the load off me, by the shout of the name-Jesus. I slept off after the attack and three men came to tell me that they were hired by my diabolical uncle to kill me and insisted they must finish their assignment- kill me. for the next three days I felt the presence of demonic forces following me. Any time i attempted sleeping, they will grab my nose and mouth trying to suffocate me. They will be dispersed after my shout of the name Jesus. on the third day I went into serious prayer after studying and meditation on the same word of God. I was totally free after the prayer.

My story above is 100% true. I've proven, through practical experience, the word of God in Roman 13:8. I'll be glad if you can prove to me scientifically that your Ancestor is a Monkey.

If the bible said if I call on Jesus I will be saved and it was exactly so, don't you think I don't need persuasion to believe there is Hell if the Bible said so?

Hell is real and you are going to face it soon except you accept Jesus and confess all your atrocity against His name.

LordReed:


Here is something from the other side:

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[i]Dr. Knut Pfeiffer, a Christian German doctor specialist in internal medicine, has discovered that Zamam water has far more positive effect on human cells than regular drinking water from Munich, Germany. Zamzam water comes from a spring in Mecca created by God to save the life of Hajar (Abraham's wife) and her son Ishmael when they were in the desert.

The Quran is a plagiarism of the old Testament of the Bible that came 1000s of years before the birth of Mohammed & other 'revelation' he claimed to have gotten from 'Angel' Gabriel. The Original story about the 'Zamzam water is found in Gen 21:19. Pls read it. Dr. Knut discovery makes me believe the Bible more.


He also believes that Islamic prayers are more positive effect on the energy and thus health than Christian prayers. For more info: www.pst-knutpfeiffer.de .

His believe is inconsequential, I'll be glad if he attached a prove to it


Dr. Masaru Emoto, a non-Muslim Japanese scientist discovers the effect of Islamic words & symbols on water molecules. On Egyptian TV, an Egyptian scientist explains how a Japanese scientist, seated beside him, discovered the effect of the Quran, Islamic words & symbols, and the Call to Prayer (Azan) on water molecules (when observed under electronic microscopes) producing different shapes of amazing crystals, depending on the Islamic word or symbol used. Since water constitutes 70% of our body, this discovery helps explain the soothing & pleasant feeling effect on people when they hear Islamic words and they are in Islamic places of worship. For more information about Dr. Masaru Emoto, visit www.masaru-emoto.net

My believe in the word of God is not just because of the effective power in the name of Jesus. I was a bad person before i meet Jesus and He transformed me from inside out. No Religion in the world today can garner followers if there is no power backing it up. Believe me, a Herbalist can summon someone before a mirror and strike him dead. That person will slump where ever he is. I spent part of my life growing up in the village and there are experience you don't need to know.

Now who is Mohammed- a mass Murderer & a Pedophile. I will rather choose Jesus who was in this world of sin and committed non.


So do you also accept the miraculous power in the Quran from this experience which even seems to have scientific backing, whereas yours just appears to be sleep paralysis?

your answer is NO.



Until you can conclusively show me evidence for this hell you are talking about, I will take it with a pinch of salt.

Ochoiho:


Let me just give you this last testimony. please verify this story with any member of RCCG. The founder of RCCG is Pa Akindayomi. He died in the late 80s and would have failed to make Heaven. Jesus gave him a second chance to come to this world for reconciliation. During the early life of RCCG, most Nigerian Churches depend on the Christian body in the USA for tracks and other Christian materials which they send to Nigeria regularly. In one of such occasions, material men't for RCCG was send in error to one of the parishes of CAC and they destroyed it. Pa Akindayomi could not forgive them till death. this is what would have sent him to Hell. On coming back, he was taken to CAC for reconciliation before he eventually died. I believe I'll see him one day.

Please read in between the quote

LordReed:


Here is something from the other side:



Dr. Knut Pfeiffer, a Christian German doctor specialist in internal medicine, has discovered that Zamam water has far more positive effect on human cells than regular drinking water from Munich, Germany. Zamzam water comes from a spring in Mecca created by God to save the life of Hajar (Abraham's wife) and her son Ishmael when they were in the desert. He also believes that Islamic prayers are more positive effect on the energy and thus health than Christian prayers. For more info: www.pst-knutpfeiffer.de .

Dr. Masaru Emoto, a non-Muslim Japanese scientist discovers the effect of Islamic words & symbols on water molecules. On Egyptian TV, an Egyptian scientist explains how a Japanese scientist, seated beside him, discovered the effect of the Quran, Islamic words & symbols, and the Call to Prayer (Azan) on water molecules (when observed under electronic microscopes) producing different shapes of amazing crystals, depending on the Islamic word or symbol used. Since water constitutes 70% of our body, this discovery helps explain the soothing & pleasant feeling effect on people when they hear Islamic words and they are in Islamic places of worship. For more information about Dr. Masaru Emoto, visit www.masaru-emoto.net

So do you also accept the miraculous power in the Quran from this experience which even seems to have scientific backing, whereas yours just appears to be sleep paralysis?

Until you can conclusively show me evidence for this hell you are talking about, I will take it with a pinch of salt.

LordReed:


How do you know it is the gods word when it was written by humans?

NDEs and Out of Body experiences are not conclusive because the people who have had them have such a vast difference in what they experience you cannot reasonably conclude on any one thing as true. If someone sees Sango or Zeus under such circumstances would you accept it as proof?

LordReed:


How do you know it is the gods word when it was written by humans?

NDEs and Out of Body experiences are not conclusive because the people who have had them have such a vast difference in what they experience you cannot reasonably conclude on any one thing as true. If someone sees Sango or Zeus under such circumstances would you accept it as proof?

LordReed:


You are so funny. This story proves nothing, its nothing but a bunch of assumptions and conjectures.

Your beliefs are also inconsequential until you can attach proofs to it.

Shepherd00:

Why shd we prove anything to you by the way?

We don't owe you any proves.

Ochoiho pls.stop responding to him. Satan wants to.steer you into pride. You nothing to prove to satan.
This has been his trick since Adam .

LordReed, move long. this thread was not opened for you.

Shepherd00:
How many NDEs have you watched to say they are inclusive?

What Are these vast differences? For all I have watched points to the same thing. Both muslims, atheists, Christians, they had the same experiences of leaving their bodies but seeing themselves lying in beds, hearing all the conversations around them.

I watched a video on YouTube of a woman who was born blind, she had never seen with her eyes, ever, when she died and left her body, she could see for the first time. she recognized people whom she had previously known only by their voices. She saw what her doctor was wearing the colour of his hair and eyes. how old he looked. and described her relatives by what they were wearing right there in the hospita l as she dying during surgery.

when she reentered her body, she told her people, doctors and nurses what she saw, everyone was was shocked because she was still blind.

Shepherd00:

How many NDEs have you watched to say they are inclusive?

What Are these vast differences? For all I have watched points to the same thing. Both muslims, atheists, Christians, they had the same experiences of leaving their bodies but seeing themselves lying in beds, hearing all the conversations around them.

I watched a video on YouTube of a woman who was born blind, she had never seen with her eyes, ever, when she died and left her body, she could see for the first time. she recognized people whom she had previously known only by their voices. She saw what her doctor was wearing the colour of his hair and eyes. how old he looked. and described her relatives by what they were wearing right there in the hospital as she dying during surgery.

when she reentered her body, she told her people, doctors and nurses what she saw, everyone was was shocked because she was still blind.

Shepherd00:

As a stack atheist I didn't expect you to come up with a defence using Islam. Islam is a religion and muslims believe in God, have you forgotten that?

I expected you prove from atheistic stand point that what he said is not true.

Muslims believe in the supernatural, and believes in the Afterlife which is the OP.

You came in asking why we know there's an Afterlife, and we are telling you both from scriptures and experience, why won't you refute that than bringing in Islam? Pls stop grabbing straws and maintain your atheistic stance Except you want to say you have become a Muslim.

LordReed:


The question remains how do you know it was the god?



False. There are many other creation myths that detail how the world came to be besides scientists have continued to refine our understanding of how this world came to be and how the conditions of the earth came about.



What is accurate about saying "some of you here will not die until you see me come in my power" and not fulfilling it?



LoL! You must be joking. That's not how things work. Can you prove I am not eating a sandwich right now? No you can't. On the other hand, if I claim that I am eating a sandwich right now I would have to provide evidence. Where is the evidence of that Jesus rose from the dead?



False. Warnings about the future come a dime a dozen and the bible says nothing special about future events. How is saying some people will die tomorrow special when it happens everyday?



Every religion also claims this and in fact secular therapies have been shown to be efficacious in helping people change they behaviour. It does not prove anything about a god or gods.



The bible has no special revelation that humans don't know or can't have known. If fact the bible is so behind that you have to use mental gymnastics in other to wave away its failings.

I have more peace and joy now that I dumped the religious fairy tales from the bible.

TruthinAction:


You have a problem with your mind. You are not open to learning and I feel so sorry that you have made yourself a vessel fitted for destruction. Every religion acknowledges Jesus, so if he did not rise, who has discovered his remains? He appeared to over 500 persons before his ascension and he will come back one day. And when he comes, his appearance alone will cause people like you to hide in caves.

Revelation 6:15-17.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

LordReed:


You can ask why without looking like someone who doesn't take the time to reason things out.

Very simply, if your miracles prove your religion theirs also proves their religion and so on with all the numerous claims from other religions. How do we now sort who has the true picture of things?

LordReed:


Show me a scientific atudy that says those who experienced NDE all experienced the same version of the afterlife.

LordReed:


Social media police, please arrest me and charge me to court for responding to threads that were not opened for me.

Shepherd00:

How many NDEs have you watched to say they are inclusive?

What Are these vast differences? For all I have watched points to the same thing. Both muslims, atheists, Christians, they had the same experiences of leaving their bodies but seeing themselves lying in beds, hearing all the conversations around them.

I watched a video on YouTube of a woman who was born blind, she had never seen with her eyes, ever, when she died and left her body, she could see for the first time. she recognized people whom she had previously known only by their voices. She saw what her doctor was wearing the colour of his hair and eyes. how old he looked. and described her relatives by what they were wearing right there in the hospital as she dying during surgery.

when she reentered her body, she told her people, doctors and nurses what she saw, everyone was was shocked because she was still blind.

NPComplete:


Dude u are either dumb or a shameless liar. And both options are not looking good for you. How is that someone who was born blind was able to tell colours and age?

Hahahaha. Christians and American wonders.

Shepherd00:

Who the hell are you to demand proves?

Shepherd00:

Did you read where I said when she was out of her body? Is NDE happen in the body or out of the body?

You who is smart, yet cannot read but jump to insult your Father.
They failed, who raised a scam bag like you.

Shepherd00:

You are so dumb that you think everything is about science. All the NDEs you've watched where Scientific medical doctors who are atheits were interviewed, did anyone of them say that the events has any scientific proves?

They all say the same thing. It's Scientifically impossible, but undeniable.

Shepherd00:

Maybe you've not noticed, the Op is not about Miracle, it's about the AfterLife. Why bring in Miracles?

Does Islam preach AfterLife or not?

Are you a Muslim now?

LordReed:


I was responding to specific post not the topic. Yeah that's all you people have to respond with "are you a muslim now?" Does that answer the question? No. Answer the question if you have any answers.

LordReed:


You are a real Dullard. NDEs are a known fact, what it does not evidence is an afterlife but stupidos like you think everything proves your favourite fairytale.