0monnak0da:

I think the assertion that VAR leads to MORE or FEWER goals is unfounded.

This is a claim that needs RESEARCH

Not beer parlour assertions

There is really no evidence that VAR has an impact on an individual's goal scoring record

VAR will lead to some goals being awarded and some being disallowed to then discuss the overall impact we need longitudinal studies

One cannot compare 1 year of VAR with 100 years of history
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It has to be like for like

Oga do the needful, compare and contrast goals cancelled by VAR with goals awarded by it so far,using any of the tournaments, then you will understand.

Nvc078:

Oga do the needful, compare and contrast goals cancelled by VAR with goals awarded by it so far,using any of the tournaments, then you will understand.

I think if you went to post graduate school you would understand that it is too early to compare

There is over 100 years of non-VAR data and less than 2 years of VAR data

A literate comparison would be looking at at least 10 years of data.

The other thing to bear in mind is that VAR technology and operation is in its infancy and still changing/improving and that means that what was used 2 years ago likely would be different for comparative purpose in another 2 years

VAR is not the only variable to take into consideration. There are other factors as well so if you observe a difference between 2 World Cups you have to be able to demonstrate that VAR alone explains it
It could be because of better or worse, strikers,goal keepers,
even the ball changes over time
We have rules like NO BACK PASS which only came in after 1992 and some are old enough to remember the Denmark game in 1992 that led to that
We have rules like not interfering with play(offside)
Last defender etc These are quite new rules so we cannot attribute observed differences to one factor

0monnak0da:

I think if you went to post graduate school you would understand that it is too early to compare

There is over 100 years of non-VAR data and less than 2 years of VAR data

A literate comparison would be looking at at least 10 years of data.

The other thing to bear in mind is that VAR technology and operation is in its infancy and still changing/improving and that means that what was used 2 years ago likely would be different for comparative purpose in another 2 years

Oga Literate, in statistics, you take sample of a population for comparison, what if VAR don't last up to the time you expects? Comparison can be done at any stage and level,if VAR is just 1 year into the system, it can be compared with just " 1 year" without it,if it has lasted up to 100 years,then it can be compared to 100 years without it. Why bringing up post graduate brouhaha into an issue that has everything to do with common sense? Oh I forgot, you're among the few that learnt everything you know off your " glorified " secondary school

Nvc078:


Oga Literate, in statistics, you take sample of a population for comparison, what if VAR don't last up to the time you expects? Comparison can be done at any stage and level,if VAR is just 1 year into the system, it can be compared with just " 1 year" without it,if it has lasted up to 100 years,then it can be compared to 100 years without it. Why bringing up post graduate brouhaha into an issue that has everything to do with common sense? Oh I forgot, you're among the few that learnt everything you know off your " glorified " secondary school

Population?

We are discussing events here not populations

Please stop talking rubbish
Find out about the concept of "Power" in statistics

It is clear you are badly educated and ignorant


In order to make a good comparison you need a well powered study.


You cannot say a person is a bad worker or a good worker because of his performance in one day or one week

Before you talk of Inter class comparison you must first talk of Intra class comparison


So if we compare World Cups where THERE WAS NO VAR e.g do we expect to see the same number of goals?

No two World Cups have the same number of goals . So there has to evidence to show that scoring is the same in Category 1 where there is no VAR and different from Category 2 where there is

AND

That this difference CANNOT be explained by other variables

Like
Player quality
the actual football itself
The weather
etc

0monnak0da:

Population?

We are discussing events here not populations

Please stop talking rubbish
Find out about the concept of "Power" in statistics

It is clear you are badly educated and ignorant


In order to make a good comparison you need a well powered study.


You cannot say a person is a bad worker or a good worker because of his performance in one day or one week

Before you talk of Inter class comparison you must first talk of Intra class comparison


So if we compare World Cups where THERE WAS NO VAR e.g do we expect to see the same number of goals?

No two World Cups have the same number of goals . So there has to evidence to show that scoring is the same in Category 1 where there is no VAR and different from Category 2 where there is

AND

That this difference CANNOT be explained by other variables

Like
Player quality
the actual football itself
The weather
etc

So you are ignorant of the fact that in statistics data is same as population size? I give up on you.

Nvc078:

So you are ignorant of the fact that in statistics data is same as population size? I give up on you.

Stop ridiculing your self

You cannot bluff your way through.

The more you talk the more ridiculous you look


So in this case what is the "population"

0monnak0da:

Stop ridiculing your self

You cannot bluff your way through.

The more you talk the more ridiculous you look


So in this case what is the "population"

Your last sentence should have been your only statement assuming you're wise. I will ignore your manners and still lecture you. Population in statistics simply refer to the size of data available for computation. Out of which a sample might be carved out. In this case of VAR and non - VAR comparison, the population size of the non- VAR is large as against the VAR,thus prompting the need for a SAMPLE ( obviously a one-year sample). Enough lecture for a Sunday morning.
The choice to still be ignorant is still yours.

Nvc078:


Your last sentence should have been your only statement assuming you're wise. I will ignore your manners and still lecture you. Population in statistics simply refer to the size of data available for computation. Out of which a sample might be carved out. In this case of VAR and non - VAR comparison, the population size of the non- VAR is large as against the VAR,thus prompting the need for a SAMPLE ( obviously a one-year sample). Enough lecture for a Sunday morning.
The choice to still be ignorant is still yours.

You are a joker

You have ONE incident of international football(World Cup) where VAR has been used ONE


In your mind that is a Population?

0monnak0da:


You are a joker

You have ONE incident of international football(World Cup) where VAR has been used ONE


In your mind that is a Population?

Lol...ask yourself this question
" how many goals was scored in the incident of first international football (world cup) where VAR wasn't used"? That's a valid comparison and that's statistics

He set the bar so low

Nvc078:

Lol...ask yourself this question
" how many goals was scored in the incident of first international football (world cup) where VAR wasn't used"? That's a valid comparison and that's statistics

We are going round in circles one event is not enough to make a comparison
also VAR is not the only variable

First compare World cups where VAR wa s not used

Were the same number of goals scored 1n 1984 1998 and 2002?
If not you must have a hypothesis to explain those intraclass differences before explaining interclass differences
You must also adjust for confounding variables like player quality or changes to the ball

0monnak0da:


We are going round in circles one event is not enough to make a comparison
also VAR is not the only variable

First compare World cups where VAR wa s not used

Were the same number of goals scored 1n 1984 1998 and 2002?
If not you must have a hypothesis to explain those intraclass differences before explaining interclass differences
You must also adjust for confounding variables like player quality or changes to the ball

We can take AVERAGE goal per world cup event without VAR and compare it with that of the world cup with VAR while holding the other factors you mentioned constant.

Nvc078:

If he keeps improving like he is doing,I don't see any opportunity for a younger striker

you must be new to Nigeria football. Even yekini dropped from first being first choice striker from 1998

Nvc078:

Lol,lie.
Lesser goals are scored with VAR.check history of EPL and other leagues that uses VAR.

with VAR more penalties are awarded = more goals scored. Its not rocket science.

femi4:
you must be new to Nigeria football. Even yekini dropped from first being first choice striker from 1998

Yakini lost form and was dropped. It's a norm with Nigeria strokers. However take note of the conditional statement in my comment

femi4:
with VAR more penalties are awarded = more goals scored. Its not rocket science.

Still in VAR more goal are cancelled

0monnak0da:

I think the assertion that VAR leads to MORE or FEWER goals is unfounded.

This is a claim that needs RESEARCH

Not beer parlour assertions

There is really no evidence that VAR has an impact on an individual's goal scoring record

VAR will lead to some goals being awarded and some being disallowed to then discuss the overall impact we need longitudinal studies

One cannot compare 1 year of VAR with 100 years of history
#
It has to be like for like comparison

Get put of here with all this sense you are making!

chiboy1116:
He set the bar so low

He was specifically asked about those players.

The debaters, please you don't need to compare one tournament to another before we know if VAR leads to more goals or less. I think we should make intra comparison.. How many goals have been chalked off due to fictitious offsides? how many have been ruled out due to imaginary hand balls? and how many penalties have been awarded so far?
It's obvious VAR is invented more to rule out goals rather than award them..

femi4:
let him score 16 goals and win Afcon highest goal scorer first

Forget sentiment osimhen is more prolific and pacy thus he's better than ighalo,the only regret I have is not starting him at the afcon just because of sentiment which cost us the cup because ighalo isn't pacy

Nvc078:

We can take AVERAGE goal per world cup event without VAR and compare it with that of the world cup with VAR while holding the other factors you mentioned constant.

Go and play
. You are out of your depth here

Nvc078:

We can take AVERAGE goal per world cup event without VAR and compare it with that of the world cup with VAR while holding the other factors you mentioned constant.

You killed it here.

We don't need to wait for 100 years or a millennium to take measurements.

Simply take an average and do the needful.

Mrtaye:

Forget sentiment osimhen is more prolific and pacy thus he's better than ighalo,the only regret I have is not starting him at the afcon just because of sentiment which cost us the cup because ighalo isn't pacy

Let his record do the talking. Until he achieve one of the criteria mentioned up there....you are the one being sentiment

Nvc078:

Still in VAR more goal are cancelled

Do the maths ...We have more goals scored via penalties alone. Nig vs Algeria and Nig vs Arg came to my mind

Nvc078:

Yakini lost form and was dropped. It's a norm with Nigeria strokers. However take note of the conditional statement in my comment

So Osimeh cannot lose form? You don't understand Nigeria players at all

0monnak0da:
Go and play
. You are out of your depth here

I guess you have gotten more than your comprehensive ability here.

femi4:
So Osimeh cannot lose form? You don't understand Nigeria players at all

that's why I used the "if" conditional statement.

sotall:


You killed it here.

We don't need to wait for 100 years or a millennium to take measurements.

Simply take an average and do the needful.

Don't mind the ignoramus quoting me up and down. Just the other day,a British sports analyst said and I quote " with the introduction of VAR to EPL,the era of players scoring 40+ goals in a season is gradually coming to an end" obviously he had done the computation and forecast before making his assertion.

Nvc078:

Don't mind the ignoramus quoting me up and down. Just the other day,a British sports analyst said and I quote " with the introduction of VAR to EPL,the era of players scoring 40+ goals in a season is gradually coming to an end" obviously he had done the computation and forecast before making his assertion.

Messi scored 34 goals two seasons ago without VAR, but scored 36 last season with VAR. The rules of the game now increases the chances for penalties to be given and scored. This can increase a strikers chances if he is also the teams designated PK taker. But yes, it may reduce the number of goals scored across the league in total.

dabossman:


Messi scored 34 goals two seasons ago without VAR, but scored 36 last season with VAR. The rules of the game now increases the chances for penalties to be given and scored. This can increase a strikers chances if he is also the teams designated PK taker. But yes, it may reduce the number of goals scored across the league in total.

Use EPL as a case study,compare how many goals top scorers used to be when VAR hasn't been introduced with what it is now. Messi is an exceptional player,he breaks boundaries

Nvc078:

Use EPL as a case study,compare how many goals top scorers used to be when VAR hasn't been introduced with what it is now. Messi is an exceptional player,he breaks boundaries

This is the first season VAR is being used in the EPL and it's not even halfway yet. Seriously you can't draw a conclusion from an incomplete season.

Besides, Harry Kane scored 30 league goals two seasons ago, but only managed 17 last season. That had nothing to do with VAR. Your argument would hold more weight looking at total goals scored in the league as opposed to focusing on individual players.

Oga, Yekini and ighalo no be mate for football..you are even better than ighalo presently if you can manage yourself greatly.
I wonder what criteria dey use in picking ighalo to our national team because there are better scorer in Nigeria than ighalo.

Pls Never in your life compare ighalo with Yekini or else.....