To answer this question, the summary of what the bible is trying to let us know is that, this life we are living is the heaven we need, only that you have to be a christian in this life to be in heaven. meaning, if you are not a Christian you are not in heaven.

Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Meaning, heaven is near.
That was John the Baptist preaching.

As at the time John the Baptist was preaching this to the people, Jesus was already on earth. Jesus was to bring the kingdom to earth at this death and resurrection, so when John was saying the kingdom is near he was simply saying the death and resurrection of Jesus is near.

Now, when Jesus eventually died and resurrected that was how Christianity came to be on earth, so Christianity is the kingdom of God, the heaven on this earth. Heaven is no where else except on this earth, don't be deceived.
We are already there.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

The kingdom of God has already come unto men, it is already here with us.

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The field is this world, so the kingdom of God is already planted in this world which is the church.
Today the church has grown to a stage that it should go beyond religion and all it activities in a building called church.
God isn't interested in church buildings and it activities, he is interested in you functioning on this earth.

The second question : what is hell fire?
He'll fire is simply the opposite of heaven : since heaven is simply life on this earth, hellfire is simply death : a state of no life.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


Hell fire can also be described as non Christians on earth : because when they die, they will not resurrect back into this earth with Christ since they did not believe in Christ.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So he'll fire is not fire burning people in mystery, it is simply death : condemnation.

There is nothing mysterious in this life, everything created by God is explainable.

Luke 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

Many scriptures were written in parables or figurative languages for this purpose : to confound the Jews and the Pharisees of that generation, not people of today.

So, if you are reading parables today in the bible you see hell fire thinking it is fire burning people : you have been confused by figurative language

Yes

don't be confounded

So what about when Christ said fear not he who can kill the body but he who can kill the body and the soul in hell , if ur right hand causes u to sin cut it off it is better for u to enter heaven whit an hand than to go too hell whole where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth . How can u gnashing teeth when don't exist?








Just thinking .......

There are groups of souls, their are afterlives where groups of souls go at default after dying from the earth. The Christians might choose to call the place where their groups of souls go to heaven. So the Muslims might want to do the same. Therefore we can have both Christians and Muslims' heavens.

As for hell, there is no place like that. God Almighty, the Creator of Jehovah, Allah etc will not allow any god to imagine such a place for human souls. The one imagined millions of years ago by some bad beings like Jehovah, Allah, El, Enlil etc have been made not to exist anymore and there will be none again.

May the Light of God Almighty reveal the truth to everyone. Aseee!

Mcuzy:
So what about when Christ said fear not he who can kill the body but he who can kill the body and the soul in hell

the meaning of word hell as used in ancient English as at the time the bible was documented is GRAVE.
So he'll means grave, and you know what graves are meant for?
Dead people or dead souls

, if ur right hand causes u to sin cut it off it is better for u to enter heaven whit an hand than to go too hell

this is parable and this is what is means :
The right hand or right eye signifies a religion, That religion is Judaism(religion of the Jews) and religion was part of the culture and tradition of the Israelites so they value their religion like the way they will value their eyes or hand and would not want them to cut off.
Now, Jesus was telling them cut off that religion or old covenant from you. It is better to enter into the new covenant with your old covenant cut off from you.
Remember the Jews were also expecting Christ and the new covenant which is God's kingdom to come at that time but they never knew jesus talking to them was the Christ.

whole where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth . How can u gnashing teeth when don't exist?

see, gnashing of teeth simply means to regrate.
It refers to the Jews regrating that they did not accept that Jesus they saw as the Christ afterall.

So, you see how it goes

OtemAtum:
There are groups of souls, their are afterlives where groups of souls go at default after dying from the earth. The Christians might choose to call the place where their groups of souls go to heaven. So the Muslims might want to do the same. Therefore we can have both Christians and Muslims' heavens.

exactly !
And that is why Christians believe in Jesus Christ and that is our heaven, and Muslim believes in Muhammad and that is their heaven.
In summary, heaven is what is in our minds in the real sense.
If you are an atheist and you believe God do not exist, that is your own heaven.

But the only distinguishing factor is what will happen after we all die.

As for hell, there is no place like that. God Almighty, the Creator of Jehovah, Allah etc will not allow any god to imagine such a place for human souls. The one imagined millions of years ago by some bad beings like Jehovah, Allah, El, Enlil etc have been made not to exist anymore and there will be none again.

if that your believe, that is heaven to you, it is your heaven

paxonel:
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if that your believe, that is heaven to you, it is your heaven

I don't do the 'belief' stuff. I do what is called 'knowledge'. I'm a knower, not a believer.

OtemAtum:

I don't do the 'belief' stuff. I do what is called 'knowledge'. I'm a knower, not a believer.

that means, you believe what you know.
In either case, you still believe something.

paxonel:
that means, you believe what you know.
In either case, you still believe something.

Must u use the term 'belief'? I see that word as religious and I don't want to be religious.

OtemAtum:
Must u use the term 'belief'? I see that word as religious and I don't want to be religious.

there is no way a human being can be alive and he doesn't have beliefs.
Having belief is a thing of the mind, it's a product of how our minds interact with our environment using our five senses. So, you cannot escape having beliefs so long you are alive.
If you like use the most suitable contemporary word for beliefs : call it idea or concept or knowledge it is still the same thing.

1+ 1= 2 is knowledge, it also a belief.
some people can still doubt that knowledge.
If you ask them what is 1+1? they can tell you it is 3, that is their own, they don't want to know anything else.

paxonel:
there is no way a human being can be alive and he doesn't have beliefs.
Having belief is a thing of the mind, it's a product of how our minds interact with our environment using our five senses. So, you cannot escape having beliefs so long you are alive.
If you like use the most suitable contemporary word for beliefs : call it idea or concept or knowledge it is still the same thing.

1+ 1= 2 is knowledge, it also a belief.
some people can still doubt that knowledge.
If you ask them what is 1+1? they can tell you it is 3, that is their own, they don't want to know anything else.

Humans who don't go into the spiritual realms to see the gods, Jehovah, Allah, christian afterlives, Muslim afterlives, Buddhism afterlives, atheists afterlives etc. are the ones that can say that they are doing beliefs. But as for me, Otem, who have gone to all those places, seen Jehovah, Allah, Atum, Olorun, Chukwu, Odin, seen Christians and Muslim's afterlives, learnt ancient languages, spiritual cultures, etc, the word belief should not be used for me, rather, the word KNOWER is adequate.

OtemAtum:


Humans who don't go into the spiritual realms to see the gods, Jehovah, Allah, christian afterlives, Muslim afterlives, Buddhism afterlives, atheists afterlives etc. are the ones that can say that they are doing beliefs. But as for me, Otem, who have gone to all those places, seen Jehovah, Allah, Atum, Olorun, Chukwu, Odin, seen Christians and Muslim's afterlives, learnt ancient languages, spiritual cultures, etc, the word belief should not be used for me, rather, the word KNOWER is adequate.

really?
That means you should know virtually everything about this physical life since you have come in contact with these spirits and they must have informed you so much

Yes

paxonel:
the meaning of word hell as used in ancient English as at the time the bible was documented is GRAVE.
So he'll means grave, and you know what graves are meant for?
Dead people or dead souls
this is parable and this is what is means :
The right hand or right eye signifies a religion, That religion is Judaism(religion of the Jews) and religion was part of the culture and tradition of the Israelites so they value their religion like the way they will value their eyes or hand and would not want them to cut off.
Now, Jesus was telling them cut off that religion or old covenant from you. It is better to enter into the new covenant with your old covenant cut off from you.
Remember the Jews were also expecting Christ and the new covenant which is God's kingdom to come at that time but they never knew jesus talking to them was the Christ.
see, gnashing of teeth simply means to regrate.
It refers to the Jews regrating that they did not accept that Jesus they saw as the Christ afterall.

So, you see how it goes

No...
If there is no hell like u said that means doing good is not worth it. If som1 kills a person he'll not feel bad cause he knows we'll all die and if resurrected the only thing God can do to him is to annihilate him and there is nothing wrong in that because according to u there is no spirit world so I'll just continue sinning because we'll all die , the only difference is that I won't be resurrected . So whoever tortures a person to death there'll be no punishment , so why do good?

Those places where created by the Roman as stick and carrot... As above so bellow..

Mcuzy:
No...
If there is no hell like u said that means doing good is not worth it. If som1 kills a person he'll not feel bad cause he knows we'll all die and if resurrected the only thing God can do to him is to annihilate him and there is nothing wrong in that because according to u there is no spirit world so I'll just continue sinning because we'll all die , the only difference is that I won't be resurrected . So whoever tortures a person to death there'll be no punishment , so why do good?

you don't get it!
God is not the one passing out judgement to people who commit crimes or sin, humans are the one to pass that judgement here in this life.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life(not whosever commit sin) was cast into the lake of fire.

How did peoples name got into the book of life?
Because they believed in Christ that's all,
Not because they did not commit sin.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

So, God is not the one passing judgement to people who commit sin, rather, humans should be the one passing out the judgement to them.

Now, how do humans pass out these judgement?
They create laws in their country against these crimes.
So anyone torturing a fellow human to death unjudiciously should face the law, that is enough reason to stop commit sin, not the fear of any hell fire.

paxonel:
you don't get it!
God is not the one passing out judgement to people who commit crimes or sin, humans are the one to pass that judgement here in this life.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life(not whosever commit sin) was cast into the lake of fire.

How did peoples name got into the book of life?
Because they believed in Christ that's all,
Not because they did not commit sin.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

So, God is not the one passing judgement to people who commit sin, rather, humans should be the one passing out the judgement to them.

Now, how do humans pass out these judgement?
They create laws in their country against these crimes.
So anyone torturing a fellow human to death unjudiciously should face the law, that is enough reason to stop commit sin, not the fear of any hell fire.

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