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No, Faith Is NOT Illogical by IykeWrites: 6:49pm On Nov 24, 2019
Unfortunately, many faith communities have created a culture in which there's an unwillingness to question, to engage the mind, to ascertain truth. With them, it’s as though trying to ask questions about God or of the actions of clergy are tantamount to blaspheming. We are expected to take things just as they are, because “the scriptures say so,” or “the Bishop says so.”

The little boy whose many questions about God remain unanswered already has a seed of doubt planted in his heart. The man whose request for the accountability of clergy gets shut down now has a sliver of distrust for his pastor- and maybe other ‘men of God’ –festering within him. When these mature, they may lead to a weaker faith or a total loss of faith.

People on the outside of faith communities can (and do) see through this phoniness. And they laugh at it. It’s just one more excuse for not practicing the faith that they can cling on to.

In a nutshell, this fear of engaging the mind in the practice of the faith has led to the multiplication of heresies; believers having a weakened, loose, incoherent faith; and some abandoning faith or not considering it as an option.

But faith is not illogical (regardless of what you've been told). We can, and should seek answers to the questions raised in our hearts and minds. And God is not against this.

I've tackled this issue in my latest article for The Late Wire: http://thelatewire.com/2019/11/24/no-faith-is-not-illogical/
Re: No, Faith Is NOT Illogical by oaroloye(m): 8:25am On Nov 27, 2019
SHALOM!

. ROMANS 10:17.

17. So then Faith
(cometh) by hearing,
and hearing by
The Word of God.

. 2nd CORINTHIANS 5:7.

7. [For we walk by Faith,
not by sight:]

. HEBREWS 11:1.

NOW Faith is the substance
of Things Hoped For,
The Evidence of Things
Not Seen.

. MATTHEW 13:1-23.

THE same day went Jesus out of the house,
and sat by the sea side.
2. And great multitudes
were gathered together
unto him,
so that he went into a ship,
and sat;
and the whole multitude
stood on the shore.
3. And he Spake many things
unto them in Parables,
Saying,

"Behold, a sower
went forth to sow;
4. "And when he sowed,
some seeds
fell by the way side,
and the fowls came
and devoured them up:
5. "Some fell
upon stony places,
where they had
not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had
no deepness of earth:
6. "And when
the Sun was up,
they were scorched;
and because they had
no root,
they withered away.
7. "And some fell
among thorns;
and the thorns sprung up,
and choked them:
8. "But other fell
into good ground,
and brought forth fruit,
some an hundredfold,
some sixtyfold,
some thirtyfold.
9. "Who hath ears to hear,
let him hear."

10. And the Disciples came,
and said unto him,

"Why speakest thou
unto them in Parables?"

11. He answered and Said
unto them,

"Because it is given unto you
to know The Mysteries
of The Kingdom of Heaven,
but to them it is not given.
12. "For whosoever hath,
to him shall be given,
and he shall have
more abundance:
but whosoever hath not,
from him shall be taken away
even that he hath.
13. "Therefore Speak I
to them in Parables:

'BECAUSE THEY SEEING
SEE NOT;
AND HEARING
THEY HEAR NOT,
NEITHER DO THEY
UNDERSTAND.'


14. "And in them is fulfilled
the Prophecy of Esaias,
which saith,

'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR,
AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND;
AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE,
AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE:
15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART
IS WAXED GROSS,
AND THEIR EARS
ARE DULL OF HEARING,
AND THEIR EYES
THEY HAVE CLOSED;
LEST AT ANY TIME
THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES
AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND
WITH THEIR HEART,
AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED,
AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'


16. "But Blessed
are your eyes,
for they see:
and your ears,
for they hear.
17. "For verily I Say unto you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND RIGHTEOUS MEN
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.'


18. "Hear ye therefore
The Parable of the Sower.

19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,
THEN COMETH
THE WICKED ONE,
AND CATCHETH AWAY
THAT WHICH WAS SOWN IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH
RECEIVED SEED
BY THE WAY SIDE.
20. 'BUT HE THAT
RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT
ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.
22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED
SEED AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.
23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT;
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY, SOME THIRTY.' "


IykeWrites:
Unfortunately, many faith communities have created a culture in which there's an unwillingness to question, to engage the mind, to ascertain truth. With them, it’s as though trying to ask questions about God or of the actions of clergy are tantamount to blaspheming. We are expected to take things just as they are, because “the scriptures say so,” or “the Bishop says so.”

. MARK 11:11-14, 20-26.

11. And Jesus entered
into Jerusalem,
and into the Temple:
and when he had
looked round about
upon all things,
and now the eventide
was come,
he went out unto
Bethany with the Twelve.
12. And on the morrow,
when they were
come from Bethany,
he was hungry:
13. And seeing a fig tree
afar off having leaves,
he came,
if haply he might
find any thing thereon:
and when he came to it,
he found nothing but leaves;
for the time of figs was not yet.
14. And Jesus answered
and Said unto it,

"No man eat fruit of thee
hereafter for ever."

And his Disciples heard it.

20. And in the morning,
as they passed by,
they saw the fig tree dried up
from the roots.
21. And Peter calling to remembrance
saith unto him,

"Master, behold,
the fig tree which thou cursedst
is withered away."

22. And Jesus answering Saith unto them,

"Have Faith in God.
23. "For verily I Say unto you,

'THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY
UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN,


"BE THOU REMOVED,
AND BE THOU CAST
INTO THE SEA;"


AND SHALL NOT DOUBT
IN HIS HEART,
BUT SHALL BELIEVE
THAT THOSE THINGS
WHICH HE SAITH
SHALL COME TO PASS;
HE SHALL HAVE
WHATSOEVER HE SAITH.'


24. "Therefore I Say unto you,

'WHAT THINGS SOEVER YE DESIRE,
WHEN YE PRAY,
BELIEVE THAT YE RECEIVE THEM,
AND YE SHALL HAVE THEM.'


25. "And when ye stand praying,
forgive, if ye have ought against any:
that your Father also
Which is in Heaven
may forgive you your trespasses.
26. "But if ye do not forgive,
neither will your Father
Which is in Heaven
forgive your trespasses."

"FAITH" IS THE BIGGEST LIE IN ORGANIZED CHRISTIANITY: IT IS WHAT KEEPS MILLIONS IN BONDAGE.

The Greeks of Antioch were the first to translate the Aramaic Scriptures. Their language was probably the most sophisticated in the area and era: its words have extremely precise meanings.

Therefore, those translators had the ability to translate according to the intentions of the original authors and speakers, as they had intended.

Therefore, there is a world of difference between the term "word" used in MATTHEW 13:19-23, and ROMANS 10:17.

There are two words translated "word:"

LOGOS: The Recorded Word.
RHEMA: The Spoken Word.

LOGOS pertains to the SPIRITUAL IMAGE of The Word of God- which can only be perceived in the "heart," the deep core of one's being.

RHEMA pertains to the mere LANGUAGE EXPRESSION of the Word of God- which can be spoken with the mouth and written on paper.

If what the Pharisee Infiltrator, PAUL, said was true, every person who hears the Word of God has Faith. That is definitely not true.

Millions of Christians have died over that distortion.

IykeWrites:

The little boy whose many questions about God remain unanswered already has a seed of doubt planted in his heart. The man whose request for the accountability of clergy gets shut down now has a sliver of distrust for his pastor- and maybe other ‘men of God’ –festering within him. When these mature, they may lead to a weaker faith or a total loss of faith.

ALL QUESTIONS ABOUT GOD ARE ANSWERED BETWEEN THE BAR MITZVAH (SON OF THE COMMANDMENT) RITUAL DEDICATION, AT AGE 13 AND COMING-OF-AGE, AT AGE 20.

It is only GENTILES who are so stupid as to think that those with such questions are "Adults!"

.   2nd PETER 1:5-9.

5. And besides this,
giving all diligence,
add to your Faith Virtue,
and to Virtue Knowledge,
6. And to Knowledge Temperance,
and to Temperance Patience,
and to Patience Godliness,
7. And to Godliness Brotherly Kindness,
and to Brotherly Kindness Charity.
8. For if these things be in you,
and abound,
they make you
that ye shall neither be
barren nor unfruitful
in The Knowledge
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9. But he that lacketh
these things is blind,
and cannot see afar off,
and hath forgotten
that he was purged
from his old Sins.

THERE ARE SEVEN SPIRITUAL POWERS HIGHER THAN FAITH.

They are not BLIND nor DEPRIVED Powers.

If a Believer achieves SIGHT and EVIDENCE, they have gone beyond FAITH, and are on a higher level. There are seven Higher Levels.

IT IS OF GREATEST PRIORITY TO ORGANIZED CHRISTIANITY THAT ITS ADHERENTS NEVER LEARN THAT THESE LEVELS EXIST- LET ALONE ATTAIN THEM.

IykeWrites:

People on the outside of faith communities can (and do) see through this phoniness. And they laugh at it. It’s just one more excuse for not practicing the faith that they can cling on to.

JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, THAT DOES NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY ARE COMPLETELY SPIRITUALLY-IGNORANT.

When all people know is Oyinbo Bible Theology, they tend to be totally ignorant of anything people know outside of their "SEMETARIES," I mean SEMINARIES.

Their System was founded upon literally murdering anyone who knew more than them.

. MATTHEW 12:22-37.

22. Then was
brought unto him
one possessed
with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that
the blind and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people
were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this
The Son of David?"

24. But when
the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"This fellow doth not
cast out Devils,
but by Beelzebub
the Prince of the Devils."

25. And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom
divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house
divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan
cast out Satan,
he is divided
against himself;
how shall then
his Kingdom stand?
27. "And if I by Beelzebub
cast out Devils,
by whom do your children
cast them out?
Therefore they shall be
your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils
by The Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God
is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one
enter into
a Strong Man's House,
and spoil his Goods,
except he first
bind the Strong Man?
And then he will
spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me
is against me;
and he that
gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say
unto you,

'ALL MANNER
OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.'


32. "And whosoever
speaketh a word
against The Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh
against The Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known
by his fruit.
34. "O generation of Vipers,
how can ye,
being Evil,
speak Good Things?
For out of the abundance
of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A Good man
out of the Good Treasure
of the heart
bringeth forth Good Things:
and an Evil man
out of the Evil Treasure
bringeth forth Evil Things.
36. "But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE
ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.' “


37. "For by thy words
thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words
thou shalt be condemned."

THE PHARISEES DID NOT FEAR GOD, THEREFORE, HE COULD NOT SHOW THEM HIS COVENANT.

. PSALM 25:14.

14. The Secret of The LORD
is with them that fear Him;
and He will shew them
His Covenant.

THEY THEREFORE SURMISED THAT ANYONE WHO KNEW MORE THAN THEM MUST BE "OF THE DEVIL."

That the possession of superior Knowledge to them was the proof of that, because if God should educate anyone, He should have Taught them first!

IykeWrites:

In a nutshell, this fear of engaging the mind in the practice of the faith has led to the multiplication of heresies; believers having a weakened, loose, incoherent faith; and some abandoning faith or not considering it as an option.

OYINBO ORGANIZED CHRISTIANITY USES MENTAL TRICKS AND PERCEPTUAL ILLUSIONS TO BLINDFOLD, DIVERT, AND CONFUSE CHRISTIANS INTO PROGRESSING NO FURTHER THAN "FAITH."

They subtly wean the New Convert from the Word of GOD onto THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.

There is nothing funny about this.

EFFECTIVE FAITH BEGINS IN BLINDNESS AND IGNORANCE, WHICH COMPLETELY VANISHES THE FIRST TIME IT YIELDS A TANGIBLE RESULT.

Do you think that BARTIMAEUS continued in FAITH, after Lord Yeshua had Healed him?

. MARK 10:46-52.

46. And they came to Jericho:
and as he went out of Jericho
with his Disciples
and a great number of people,
blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus,
sat by the highway side begging.
47. And when he heard
that it was Jesus of Nazareth,
he began to cry out,
and say,

"Jesus, thou Son of David,
have Mercy on me."

48. And many charged him
that he should hold his peace:
but he cried the more a great deal,

"Thou Son of David,
have mercy on me."

49. And Jesus stood still,
and Commanded him to be called.
And they call the blind man,
saying unto him,

"Be of good comfort, rise;
he calleth thee."

50. And he,
casting away his garment,
rose,
and came to Jesus.
51. And Jesus answered
and Said unto him,

"What wilt thou
that I should do unto thee?"

The blind man said unto him,

"Lord, that I might
receive my sight."

52. And Jesus Said unto him,

"Go thy way;
thy Faith hath made thee whole."

And immediately he received his sight,
and followed Jesus in The Way.

DO YOU THINK THAT BARTIMAEUS PRAYED EVERY DAY AFTER THAT: "O GOD, PLEASE RESTORE MY SIGHT!"? OF COURSE NOT: HE HAD ALREADY DONE THAT!

If someone asked him:

"CAN YESHUA RESTORE SIGHT?"

Would he say:

"I THINK so...?"

Of course he wouldn't say that, he KNEW that God could open blind eyes.

BARTIMAEUS was not the only blind man present. What about the people who were telling him to "SHUT UP!" "STOP MAKING NOISE!"?

Why was there not ONE person to say:

"HEY! YESHUA CAN HELP THIS GUY!"

"MAKE WAY FOR THIS BLIND GUY!"

"THIS IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHOM YESHUA CAME TO HELP!"


One should seriously wonder what sort of conception of Yeshua those people had, that NOT ONE OF THEM thought they should
TRY to bring him to Yeshua.

To be sure, it was not that way with many others.

It is that way with NAIRALAND FAKE CHRISTIANS.

NOT ONE comes to COMMEND me for giving you UNPRECEDENTED INSIGHTS into The Workings of The Kingdom of God.

They tell ME to "SHUT UP," and stop "SPAMMING" the Forum with "TOO-LONG SCRIPTURAL PASSAGES WHICH NO ONE WANTS TO READ!"

If you don't want to hear Religious Answers, why are you in a Religious Forum?

IykeWrites:

But faith is not illogical (regardless of what you've been told). We can, and should seek answers to the questions raised in our hearts and minds. And God is not against this.

YOU ARE, OF COURSE, LYING.

.    JOHN 8:28-36.

28. Then Said Jesus
unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know
that I am he,
and that I do
nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me
is with me:
The Father hath not
left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake
these Words,
many believed on him.

31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue
in my Word,
then are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth
shall make you Free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,  

'YE SHALL BE
MADE FREE?' "


34. Jesus answered them,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT
IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON
ABIDETH EVER.'


36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed."

IF YOU BELONGED TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT TRULY WORSHIPPED GOD, AND SERVED LORD YESHUA, YOU WOULD KNOW THE TRUTH THAT MAKES FREE- WHICH IS THE SEVEN LEVELS OF WISDOM, UNDERSTANDING, AND KNOWLEDGE THAT ARE SUPERIOR TO FAITH.

That you still fumble and bumble in FAITH, HOPE, BELIEF, and SPECULATION proves that you still don't know anything significant.

IykeWrites:

I've tackled this issue in my latest article for The Late Wire: http://thelatewire.com/2019/11/24/no-faith-is-not-illogical/

YOU "TALK A LOT, BUT SAY NOTHING."

While others claiming to be Christians sit around with nothing to say.

. LUKE 12:1-12.

IN the mean time,
when there were gathered together
an innumerable multitude of people,
insomuch that they trode
one upon another,
he began to Say
unto his Disciples
first of all,

"Beware ye of the Leaven
of the Pharisees,
which is Hypocrisy.
2. "For there is nothing covered,
that shall not be revealed;
neither hid,
that shall not be known.
3. "Therefore whatsoever
ye have spoken in Darkness
shall be heard in the Light;
and that which ye have
spoken in the ear in closets
shall be proclaimed
upon the housetops.
4. "And I Say unto you
my Friends,

'BE NOT AFRAID OF THEM
THAT KILL THE BODY,
AND AFTER THAT
HAVE NO MORE
THAT THEY CAN DO.'


5. "But I will forewarn you
Whom ye shall fear:

'FEAR HIM,
WHICH AFTER HE HATH KILLED
HATH POWER
TO CAST INTO HELL;'


yea, I Say unto you,

'FEAR HIM.' "

6. "Are not five sparrows
sold for two farthings,
and not one of them
is forgotten before God?
7. "But even the very
hairs of your head
are all numbered.
Fear not therefore:
ye are of more value
than many sparrows.
8. "Also I Say unto you,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL
CONFESS ME
BEFORE MEN,
HIM SHALL THE SON OF MAN
ALSO CONFESS BEFORE
THE ANGELS OF GOD:
9. 'BUT HE THAT DENIETH ME
BEFORE MEN
SHALL BE DENIED BEFORE
THE ANGELS OF GOD.'


10. "And whosoever
shall speak a word
against the Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth
against The Holy Ghost
it shall not be forgiven.
11. "And when they bring you
unto the synagogues,
and unto magistrates,
and powers,
take ye no thought
how or what thing
ye shall answer,
or what ye shall say:
12. "For The Holy Ghost
shall Teach you
in the same hour
what ye ought to say."

AS STEPHEN KING PUT IT: YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF YOUR FATHER!

Your Eternal Destiny depends upon understanding THIS correctly!

Re: No, Faith Is NOT Illogical by OpenYourEyes1: 8:57am On Nov 27, 2019
Questions must be asked in truth and fear of GOD. Blasphemy will always be blasphemy especially if it's intentional.


In my opinion, church(real church) problems should be tackled/judged in the church rather than taken to the court of unbelievers. Unbeliever don't understand justice, so you will likely not get real justice from them. If a church don't give you real justice, know that is not a good church. This is when you may seek justice outside of church. Still, the unbelievers courts will likely not give real justice unless GOD uses them to give you justice. Because GOD will always give justice to those who are obedient to HIM
Re: No, Faith Is NOT Illogical by oaroloye(m): 7:25am On Nov 29, 2019
SHALOM!

OpenYourEyes1:
Questions must be asked in truth and fear of GOD. Blasphemy will always be blasphemy especially if it's intentional.

In my opinion, church(real church) problems should be tackled/judged in the church rather than taken to the court of unbelievers. Unbeliever don't understand justice, so you will likely not get real justice from them. If a church don't give you real justice, know that is not a good church. This is when you may seek justice outside of church. Still, the unbelievers courts will likely not give real justice unless GOD uses them to give you justice. Because GOD will always give justice to those who are obedient to HIM

I AM NEVER GRATUITOUSLY OFFENSIVE, BUT IF I OFFEND, IT IS BECAUSE I AM ALERTING TO IMPORTANT LAPSES OF AWARENESS AND DUTY.

What you are doing here is trying to REASON your way into Righteousness; you are creeping and crawling where you should be jumping and flying. You do not apply the KOSHER/TREIF LAW to all of your life.

SCIENTOLOGY is based on one fundamental Principle above all else: ALWAYS BEGIN AT THE BEGINNING.

Don't begin at the END.
Don't begin at the MIDDLE.

Christianity does not begin with ROMAN CATHOLICISM, nor any other species of ORGANIZED CHRISTIANITY.

Christianity does not begin with the so-called "APOSTLES."

CHRISTIANITY BEGINS WITH LORD YESHUA.

CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT BEGIN WITH THE REASONINGS AND EXCUSES OF LORD YESHUA'S DISCIPLES.

Christianity begins with The Teachings of Lord Yeshua.

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