Does anyone believe in the hereafter ?

Just eager to know, im i alone with my believe ?

YES I BELIEVE

THE THINGS WHICH ARE HEREAFTER ARE FOR THE CHOSEN 144,000

ARE YOU CHOSEN?

Nottheone:

Does anyone believe in the hereafter ?

Just eager to know, im i alone with my believe ?

The where-after?

thehomer:

The where-after?

The hereafter goddamnit, don't act like you dont know it's in the same vicinity as the before place. You get your wings and whatnot and fly around with harps.

emmadaniel:

YES I BELIEVE

THE THINGS WHICH ARE HEREAFTER ARE FOR THE CHOSEN 144,000

ARE YOU CHOSEN?

Only 144,000 male Jews are going to be chosen so your black a$$ is excluded. Talk about a sausage fest. At least the Muslims provide female virgins for entertainment.

Martian:

The hereafter goddamnit, don't act like you dont know it's in the same vicinity as the before place. You get your wings and whatnot and fly around with harps. Only 144,000 male Jews are going to be chosen so your black a$$ is excluded. Talk about a sausage fest. At least the Muslims provide female virgins for entertainment.

Ooh the thereafter. It's clearer now.

Those Muslims know what they like.

The hereafter is REAL.

If you expect your existence to end once you die, you'll be pleasantly disappointed. 

Consciousness (ie the soul) is indestructible.

ROSSIKE:

The hereafter is REAL.

If you expect your existence to end once you die, you'll be pleasantly disappointed. 

Consciousness (ie the soul) is indestructible.

I beg to differ, consciousness is the product of a functioning brain, when the brain dies, that's the end of life. Unless you can provide evidence of what a soul is and where it is located. No pseudoscience allowed though.

Martian said:

I beg to differ, consciousness is the product of a functioning brain, when the brain dies, that's the end of life.

Where is YOUR evidence for that?

Unless you can provide evidence of what a soul is and where it is located. No pseudoscience allowed though.

What do you term pseudoscience?

ROSSIKE:



Where is YOUR evidence for that?

What do you term pseudoscience?

The brain and the rest of the nervous system are composed of many different types of cells, but the primary functional unit is a cell called the neuron. All sensations, movements, thoughts, memories, and feelings are the result of signals that pass through neurons. Neurons consist of three parts. The cell body (13) contains the nucleus, where most of the molecules that the neuron needs to survive and function are manufactured. Dendrites (14) extend out from the cell body like the branches of a tree and receive messages from other nerve cells. Signals then pass from the dendrites through the cell body and may travel away from the cell body down an axon (15) to another neuron, a muscle cell, or cells in some other organ. The neuron is usually surrounded by many support cells. Some types of cells wrap around the axon to form an insulating sheath (16). This sheath can include a fatty molecule called myelin, which provides insulation for the axon and helps nerve signals travel faster and farther. Axons may be very short, such as those that carry signals from one cell in the cortex to another cell less than a hair’s width away. Or axons may be very long, such as those that carry messages from the brain all the way down the spinal cord.
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/brain_basics/know_your_brain.htm

Pseudoscience is any theory or idea put forth that isn't backed by science or doesn't follow the scientific method but is still claimed to be scientific
Classic example is creationism.

Your turn, what is your evidence of a soul?

The main body of evidence relating to the survival of Consciousness (ie the soul) is contained in Near-Death Experiences and Out of Body experiences. There exist thousands of documented accounts of these, many of which have been verified to be true by researchers, doctors, and other specialists.

Other support for survival comes from documented deathbed visions, from quantum physics, dream research, after-death communications research, reincarnation research, hypnosis, synchronicity, remote viewing, and consciousness research.

One more thing: what you provided as evidence for consciousness being dependent on the functioning of the human body, does not in fact constitute evidence, since all it tells us is that consciousness is channeled through those biological functions. It doesn't actually explain what Consciousness is. It tells us HOW consciousness is manifested through those bodily processes, but not WHY it is manifested. Afterall, the various parts of the brain comprise mere  matter, which cannot of their own initiate consciousness and thought, including such subtle abstracts as moral codes, dress sense, philosophies, cultural traditions inter alia.

For instance we know a computer is made of physical matter, and is worthless without a Consciousness operating it via programming or input/extraction of information. The human body is a biological computer. It functions because, like a computer, something independent of it controls it, ie the soul, or Consciousness.

Just as a person can exist without a computer, so also can a soul exist without the biological computer known as the human body.

ROSSIKE:

The main body of evidence relating to the survival of Consciousness (ie the soul) is contained in Near-Death Experiences and Out of Body experiences. There exist thousands of documented accounts of these, many of which have been verified to be true by researchers, doctors, and other specialists.

Near Death is not death. Dying is a continuum but death is a permanent state from which people do not recover. Out of body experiences have not been verified. Controlled experiments to demonstrate this have generally failed. You're free to present the best two studies demonstrating their effectiveness.

ROSSIKE:

Other support for survival comes from documented deathbed visions, from quantum physics, dream research, after-death communications research, reincarnation research, hypnosis, synchronicity, remote viewing, and consciousness research.

Deathbed visions may just be hallucinations. The claim of quantum physics is generally used by people who try to justify their claims with what they do not understand. The others except consciousness research are just made up unless you can present studies verifying them.

ROSSIKE:

One more thing: what you provided as evidence for consciousness being dependent on the functioning of the human body, does not in fact constitute evidence, since all it tells us is that consciousness is channeled through those biological functions. It doesn't actually explain what Consciousness is. It tells us HOW consciousness is manifested through those bodily processes, but not WHY it is manifested. Afterall, the various parts of the brain comprise mere  matter, which cannot of their own initiate consciousness and thought, including such subtle abstracts as moral codes, dress sense, philosophies, cultural traditions inter alia.

No. [b]You [/b]are claiming that consciousness is just channeled so [b]you [/b]present your evidence for that it is just channeling. Have you heard of emergent properties? Consciousness quite nicely fits such a concept.
Consciousness is also quite difficult to define. This does not make your assumptions correct.

ROSSIKE:

For instance we know a computer is made of physical matter, and is worthless without a Consciousness operating it via programming or input/extraction of information. The human body is a biological computer. It functions because, like a computer, something independent of it controls it, ie the soul, or Consciousness.

Interesting analogy but you have not modeled it properly. The software is not independent of the computer. It is a part of the computer. It quite nicely demonstrates the difficulties of consciousness when you consider that it is just zeroes and ones yet it enables people communicate with metals at the edge of the solar system.

ROSSIKE:

Just as a person can exist without a computer, so also can a soul exist without the biological computer known as the human body.

You are mixing metaphors here. The relationships are between humans and consciousness; computers and software.

Do not be deceived for a sec,the hereafter exist as sure as the air I'm breathing right now. Don't die first before you believe as at then,you can't do nothing about what state you'd find yourself in by then. But you can do something about it now, while you are still in this plane of existence. Live right. Peace.

emmadaniel:

YES I BELIEVE

THE THINGS WHICH ARE HEREAFTER ARE FOR THE CHOSEN 144,000

ARE YOU CHOSEN?

MU^2, hereafter(new earth) not thereafter(new heaven). the 144,000 are for the thereafter(new heaven) and honestly their lives wont be as fun as ours since they'll be yoked with the responsibility of governing and judging but here on earth, I'll have a perfect body enough flexing without sickness

The bible is our reference point on any issue.
Luke 16:19-31 here we see Jesus Christ himself giving us an illustration that correlates and supports the affirmative of a life after death and there are several important points that could be deduced from the context:

1. in the after life one can still see
2. still talk
3. still recognize
4. express emotions, concern and feelings
5. in all consciousness in maintained

The word of God is our standard for living

Your brain together with the rest of your physical body is the temporary product of your consciousness and not the other way around. Your brain dies but your consciousness lives on to take up another body some place else in the multiverse.

ROSSIKE:

The main body of evidence relating to the survival of Consciousness (ie the soul) is contained in Near-Death Experiences and Out of Body experiences. There exist thousands of documented accounts of these, many of which have been verified to be true by researchers, doctors, and other specialists.

Other support for survival comes from documented deathbed visions, from quantum physics, dream research, after-death communications research, reincarnation research, hypnosis, synchronicity, remote viewing, and consciousness research.

One more thing: what you provided as evidence for consciousness being dependent on the functioning of the human body, does not in fact constitute evidence, since all it tells us is that consciousness is channeled through those biological functions. It doesn't actually explain what Consciousness is. It tells us HOW consciousness is manifested through those bodily processes, but not WHY it is manifested. Afterall, the various parts of the brain comprise mere  matter, which cannot of their own initiate consciousness and thought, including such subtle abstracts as moral codes, dress sense, philosophies, cultural traditions inter alia.

For instance we know a computer is made of physical matter, and is worthless without a Consciousness operating it via programming or input/extraction of information. The human body is a biological computer. It functions because, like a computer, something independent of it controls it, ie the soul, or Consciousness.

Just as a person can exist without a computer, so also can a soul exist without the biological computer known as the human body.

thehomer said:

Near Death is not death. Dying is a continuum but death is a permanent state from which people do not recover. Out of body experiences have not been verified. Controlled experiments to demonstrate this have generally failed. You're free to present the best two studies demonstrating their effectiveness.

Truth be told, I really can't be bothered these days digging out the studies. The evidence for all I've written can be found in a matter of minutes by anyone interested. www.near-death.com is as good a place as any to get all the evidence you want.

I've got close relatives who've had an out of body experience. Hence my inclination to go sourcing for  snippets of ''evidence'' seems like so much wasted energy at this point. In any case, every one will experience the truth at some point after they've breathed their last as humans, so perhaps that's your lot??

@ ROSSIKE

In any case, every one will experience the truth at some point after they've breathed their last as humans, so perhaps that's your lot??

right on the spot. this statement of yours is my favourite. after all the arguments and counter arguments once soul crosses the borders of death to the other side all arguments ceases and souls comes face to face with reality. then you will know what is truth and what is fallacy.

Thank you.

AS I SAID BEFORE

THE HEREAFTER IS FOR THE CHOSEN 144,000 JEWS
WHO HAVE BEEN REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH.

THE HEREAFTER IS NOT THE SAME THING AS LIFE AFTER DEATH.
IT IS THE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH.

THE TRIBULATION TIME!

emmadaniel said:

AS I SAID BEFORE

THE HEREAFTER IS FOR THE CHOSEN 144,000 JEWS
WHO HAVE BEEN REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH.

THE HEREAFTER IS NOT THE SAME THING AS LIFE AFTER DEATH.
IT IS THE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH.

THE TRIBULATION TIME!

Chei! See 4.1.9 in action. So as you are like this, you believe that an exclusive group of 144,000 Jews will be ''redeemed from the earth'', with the rest of humanity left behind?

SEE WHAT COLONIALISM AND IMPERIALISM HAS DONE TO OUR PEOPLE. SHAMEFUL.

ROSSIKE:

thehomer said:

Truth be told, I really can't be bothered these days digging out the studies. The evidence for all I've written can be found in a matter of minutes by anyone interested. www.near-death.com is as good a place as any to get all the evidence you want.

I'm not talking about evidence of hallucination of some people on the continuum of dying. I'm talking about verification of out of body experience.

ROSSIKE:

I've got close relatives who've had an out of body experience. Hence my inclination to go sourcing for  snippets of ''evidence'' seems like so much wasted energy at this point. In any case, every one will experience the truth at some point after they've breathed their last as humans, so perhaps that's your lot??

So you don't have good enough evidence? I was just asking for your best two. All you've presented here is anecdotal.
Maybe we will but it's more likely that we won't other than just probably experience some hallucinations from the brain shutting down.